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Re: is /r/AgainstGG infested with Pro-GGers? (self.AgainstGamerGate)

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[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (32子コメント)

What are you suggesting here, out of interest?

Nothing feasible really. I've been working on ideas to change the breakdown of the sub, but most would trigger the aggrieved entitlement of the gators more than the rest of the mod team is willing to endure.

At best, I think we can try and encourage antiGG posters who are masochistic enough to endure all the not getting it that happens inside the GG reality distortion field.

What do you think Reddit should do?

Reddit should realize that being the largest platform for white nationalist and antifeminist extremist groups is a massive failure of their duty to the community. They should give mods more effective tools to remove hate speech and filter out bigots, and they should permanently close subreddits affiliated with extremist groups.

For a primer on reddit's issues with hate speech see:

http://mashable.com/2014/10/26/reddit-hate-speech-moderation/

http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/reddit-rape-racist-comment-trolls-problem/

[–]SkavauPro-GG [非表示スコア]  (27子コメント)

I was wondering more what subreddits you think should be marked for suspension, not the internal politics of this subreddit.

[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (26子コメント)

Conspiracy, mensrights, whiterights, Tia/KiA, srssucks, etc. Any of the subreddits affiliated with them.

That would be a good start at least.

[–]SkavauPro-GG [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

What a surprise.

Even though that most of them aren't hate groups but more akin to Fundies Say the Darndest Things.

Though sure, why not, let's remove all controversy from Reddit and hand the floor over to people that all have a specific ideology under the guise of removing hate speech. GamerGhazi, which in practice is comparable to SRSSucks in terms of what it does should also, by your standards, be deleted, right? Or do you provide an exception for mockery when it targets people you don't like?

[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

GamerGhazi, which in practice is comparable to SRSSucks in terms of what it does should also, by your standards, be deleted, right?

Can you point to any hate speech on gamerghazi that has been left undeleted?

[–]SkavauPro-GG [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

SRSSucks just makes fun of SRS - that isn't hate speech.

[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

SRSS is completely overrun with racists and transphobes. They endorse hate speech there and members of the SRSS mod team moderate racist subreddits and participate in the network of racist subreddits.

[–]SkavauPro-GG [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What hate speech is endorsed there exactly?

[–]ohdearsocialist [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

http://np.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2msvuw/gators_in_the_wild_da_inquisition/

http://np.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2jipld/why_do_ggers_frequently_confuse_white_cis_etc_for/

Also you have a particularly nasty racist on your modding team but refuse to do anything about them.

[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Be specific. I skimmed those threads and didn't see any oppressive speech.

[–]ohdearsocialist [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Mostly because like most people that participate in SRS/AMR/Ghazi you're perspective on what is "oppressive" speech has been narrowed quite severely. You're incapable of understanding speech that people find insulting because those people fit into groups that you think are acceptable to insult.

I still want to know why a known racist is part of your modding team.

[–]HokesOneAnti-GG Mod / Misandrist Folk Demon [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

speech that people find insulting

You get that that's not the same thing as hate speech right? If you think cis is a slur you're clearly a buffoon. I'm not obligated to appease the hypersensitivity of MRA manchildren.

I still want to know why a known racist is part of your modding team.

LOL. I know where this is going I bet but I'll humour you. What the fuck are you even talking about? We're an antiracist space and have a zero tolerance policy for racism/sexism/GSMphobia/etc. It's literally baffling to imagine one of my co-mods being a "known racist".

[–]ohdearsocialist [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You get that that's not the same thing as hate speech right? If you think cis is a slur you're clearly a buffoon. I'm not obligated to appease the hypersensitivity of MRA manchildren.

And yet you seem incredibly keen on demanding everyone else appease hypersensitive feminists and SJWs... fascinating. How do you not implode into a puff of logic with all those internal contradictions?

We're an antiracist space and have a zero tolerance policy for racism/sexism/GSMphobia/etc

Zero tolerance?

Really:

http://np.reddit.com/r/blackladies/comments/2nmwy6/redditors_attack_photo_of_woman_protesting_the/cmf31qg

http://np.reddit.com/r/Blackfellas/comments/2o3xfa/charles_barkleys_saying_stuff_again/cmji9wm

http://np.reddit.com/r/blackladies/comments/2kdqxp/so_rnews_is_having_a_discussion_about_recent/clkccvn

Bonus points for anti-semitism.

https://np.reddit.com/r/blackladies/comments/2nrogo/til_that_many_abolitionists_werent_in_the_game/

So tell me again, why do you openly allow a racist anti-semite to be part of your modding team? This is especially baffling considering your anti-racism stance and your belief that Reddit is full of racists which should be removed.

Or maybe, just maybe its because you're full of it? ;)

[–]DMXWITHABONER [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

no bias there

[–]rtechie1Pro-GG [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Of course not GamerGhazi, ShitRedditSays, or any of the other "circlequeefs" (their term, not mine).

And you wonder why people say anti-GGers want to censor opinions they disagree with.

[–]PseudoSomethingYT [非表示スコア]  (13子コメント)

What do all those subreddits have in common?

They use logic that SRS is jealous of.

Poor SRS.

[–]saint2eAnti-GG Moderator[M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This message was reported to the moderators with reason "such logic". Clearly this is just spamming the report button and should not be done. The mods have noticed a lot of this recently and are considering involving the admins as it is against reddit rules. Please act like adults and do not spam report things you don't agree with.

[–]DonReavis [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

What does that even mean?

[–]PseudoSomethingYT [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

Well let me break it down.

SRS is like Ghazi. They are people who are incredible bigots, are sexist, and quite a few times can be dangerous. The funny thing is, they believe themselves to be the moral superiors of everyone.

SRS posters wanting to ban the people who bring their BS to light is what is funny. Whether it really is because they see themselves as some holy people who are like religious fanatics, or that they just can't take the true criticism of why they are actually the bigots.

There is a reason they are the joke of Reddit.

[–]Sansa_Culotte_ [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

SRS is like Ghazi. They are people who are incredible bigots, are sexist, and quite a few times can be dangerous.

And people who point out racism are the real racists.

[–]PseudoSomethingYT [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

And people who point out racism are the real racists.

I know! That is why it is so funny that the racists want to ban the people that point out their racism. SRS is funny like that.

[–]DonReavis [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

And now I'm sorry I asked. I never really got the hate for SRS. Some of the shit that hits their front page seems like a stretch, but a lot of it does point out some fucked up stuff that gets upvoted.

I also don't know where the sexist and bigot stuff is coming from, but I'm also not that interested in either subreddit.

[–]PseudoSomethingYT [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

It's because they really do say some pretty sexist and racist shit, mainly including women who don't agree with them having 'internal sexism', or if someone is white... well you know where that goes. They are simply, bigots.

I mean, look at what Hokes said. Look at Hokes post history. You can see what SRS stands for.

[–]DonReavis [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Yeah, they're circlejerks. They exist to point at the Other. SRS just gets the hate it does for making straight white dudes the Other.

[–]PseudoSomethingYT [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Man, thats like saying TRP is about making men better and helping with relationships.

SRS is a slum.

[–]SkavauPro-GG [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Not all of SRS operates as a circlejerk, that's just Prime.

Many of them believe some of the shit they say.

[–]Trot1217 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I got banned from SRS for "reeking of privilege". That's why I dislike them.

[–]DonReavis [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You probably didn't go with the circlejerk all that well.

[–]ohdearsocialist [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

A; Both of those sites are just click bait trash. What they say is both heavily ideological and designed to make people like you angry.

B; You have absolutely no idea how large the population of "white nationalists" is on Reddit. Neither do I.

C; Antifeminist extremist groups? Do you know why no one takes you seriously? Its because you are prone to hyperbole. /r/mensrights is no more extreme than /r/feminism and much less extreme than the other radical feminist (read: gender bigots) elsewhere on reddit (hint hint /r/againstmensrights which you happily participate in). Also, feminism is the primary reason why people are anti-feminist. Its the bigotry of the movement and its aggressive dismissal of both men's rights and its aggressive pushing of false statistics that make people hate it. And there is nothing wrong with that.

D; If reddit adminds "...permanently close[d] subreddits affiliated with extremist groups..." the subreddits you participate in would be gone in an instant as that is where most of the hate and bigotry comes from.

E; Do you still believe that "men are the ruling gender class", please tell me you do.

[–]Sansa_Culotte_ [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

/r/mensrights is no more extreme than /r/feminism and much less extreme than the other radical feminist (read: gender bigots) elsewhere on reddit (hint hint /r/againstmensrights which you happily participate in).

Reddit sure is well known for the huge numbers of radical feminists who post here.

[–]wulfgar_beornegar [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I've lost count of how many times I don't "get it".