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Real Women (self.KotakuInAction)

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This will likely get down voted and possibly rightfully so since it doesn't really go along with our party line but wanted to make a throwaway and post anyway...

Throughout GG I've been keeping my wife up to speed with the general gist of what's been going on. 6 months ago she was a self identified feminist in as much as she felt women should be treated fairly and in the past they weren't. Sadly, she's recently abandoned that label. She feels the people calling themselves feminists have gone too far. GG had a direct impact on this decision. Here are some of her thoughts that I think many "regular" non-SJW women share:

  • Quinn is a horrible person and shouldn't be defended. Real women don't cheat on their partners.
  • Wu isn't a real woman. My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.
  • Sarkeesian wants attention and will do anything to get it. Real women don't need the limelight to survive.
  • Patreon is an embarrassing way to make a living. Get a job.
  • Female SJWs have problems with men. Real women that don't have problems with men aren't angry at the male gender.
  • Male SJWs have problems with women. Real men don't need to kiss all women's asses to get a women.

Anyway, not politically correct in an way but I would say the MAJORITY of women (who don't live in SF) think like this. Just a reminder.

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[–]not_just_amwac 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Stop. Just stop. Anyone who identifies as female gender is a real woman. No caveats, no addendums, no other requirements.

[–]Goose_GY6 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe in your right to say what you said; even though I disagree with it.

[–]Romney2008Undeveloped pre-frontal cortex 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why all the patreon hate? Patreon is consumer democracy in action. You're literally voting with your wallet.

Also I'm pretty sure that this is either satire or bait by someone on gamerghazi.

[–]TellahTruth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right? But others seem to be treating it as genuine and appreciating the sentiment.

I suppose you can hope it gets downvoted or removed as offtopic, but I have a feeling this is tragically sincere.

[–]amissingaccount[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is tragic about it? It's meant to give hope to those who think everyone has gone SJW. Plus she's a good person, she doesn't hate any of these people, just offering opinions.

[–]KalusPrime 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't.take this the wrong way, but no shit. SJWs are the rough equivalent of Westboro in that they're insane and push things to a disgusting extreme. I suggest we treat them as they are in that regard.

[–]codahighland 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wu isn't a real woman. My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

There may be merit to the statement that a transwoman cannot claim to speak for ciswomen, but the truth is transwomen have it worse -- not only do they deal with all of the social issues that women deal with, but on top of that they have to deal with people who don't accept them as women, who think they're sinners, who are legitimately transphobic. They may not be able to speak for ALL women, but NO ONE can speak for ALL women.

Patreon is an embarrassing way to make a living. Get a job.

It is a job, if you do it right. People who have a Patreon that receive donations in exchange for producing creative content are just the 21st-century equivalent of freelance writers.

[–]amissingaccount[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

NO ONE can speak for ALL women.

Totally agree. She takes objection to a man doing it though. No doubt trans people have their own very difficult issues, but that's unrelated to non-trans women's issues in her mind. I agree with her there.

It is a job, if you do it right.

I agree with this, but she doesn't. I work in a more high tech field and she doesn't. I suspect most people would agree with her.

[–]violentevolution 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have a unique outlook on Quinn in terms of tech. Claims to be techy but has a magnet implanted in her finger. Nothing against the I'm a cyborg hipster trend, but have fun doing a lot of techy things with a magnet close by

[–]TellahTruth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She has said it isn't big enough to cause any issues. She can still use her phone, type on the laptop, etc. just fine. It's just significant enough for her to feel magnetic fields a little, not mess with any tech.

Though, she did joke that she hopes she might wipe a floppydisk with it some day. ha.

[–]Romney2008Undeveloped pre-frontal cortex 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hoo boy, I am not looking forward to the comments on this...

[–]Uof2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who you disagree with can still be real women. They're real women that you disagree with.

[–]sumtin73 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your wife almost sounds like TERFs and your distinction of "real/unreal" is quite annoying.

Last but not least your post has nothing to do with GamerGate, you could have left it out and it would have make no diff at all. Take your bullshit elsewhere please.

[–]avantvernacular 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not our job to police the borders of gender. Let the brds screech over it. These are bad people because they do bad things, that is what matters. The "realness" of their gender is irrelevant.

[–]Bill-Rizer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your wife is right about trans women but that attitude would still be considered transphobic by the typical SJW. But the bigger problem is that nobody should think they can speak for an entire gender - even people of that gender. People who adopted that gender doing it is even more ridiculous for obvious reasons.

One of the most damning things about that "25 benefits of gaming while male" thing is all of those men are speaking on behalf of the entire male gender. That's the problem with basing your ideology on profiling, every individual with an experience counter to your claim is a crack in your belief. You refusing to acknowledge it doesn't mean its not there. Enough of those cracks speak up and your whole bullshit crumbles.

[–]amissingaccount[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed, that's the thing. My wife is way more of a regular person. What the SJWs think is pretty niche.

[–]2yph0n 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have to say.

I'm pretty envious of you here.

Its rare to find someone like her these days.

[–]amissingaccount[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! She's a wonderful women.

The thing is, I don't think it's as rare as the SJWs would have you believe. They are overrepresented in the media and so it may seem like most people think like them since so many tv shows... project that. Outside of a few stereotypical urban areas I think you can find a lot of regular, down to earth people.

[–]slightly_psychotic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

gotta say i disagree with that there patreon statement. it could be a pretty good system, where your worth is based on your accomplishments, and its just you and your audience, no bureaucratic bullshit. and about real jobs, artists have it rough working on commissions rather than a steady income, being able to supplement their income between jobs is very necessary to maintaining a livable life.

and while we all have our opinions and sharing those is often a good thing and an opportunity for growth i'm not going to touch the "real women" debate. at this point in human development gender on all levels is a far too complex and fluid concept for me to even attempt discussing.

[–]pm_me_creative_names -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wu isn't a real woman. My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

Ignoring the "and speak for them" part, that is exactly what transphobia is.

Patreon is an embarrassing way to make a living. Get a job.

No it's not. It's a really fucking awesome way for content creators to make a living.

Anyway, not politically correct in an way but I would say the MAJORITY of women (who don't live in SF) think like this. Just a reminder.

The majority thinking something does not make it right. It must be right on it's own merits, not on the merits of it's believers.

Basically, this "real women" and "real men" shit is all ridiculous. All of it, including yours, really needs to go away. "Real men/women" are real by virtue of their existence. Let's not redefine the word "real" please.

[–]Rocket_McGrain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree completely.

[–]SS_SensorShip -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My wife isn't transphobic

Oh, good!

but

Sigh Here it comes.

she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

Of course.

Sarkeesian TBiscuit/Milo/Mike/<insert eceleb here> wants attention and will do anything to get it. Real women don't need the limelight to survive.

Patreon is an embarrassing way to make a living. Get a job.

Envy does not become you.

Female SJWs have problems with men. Real women that don't have problems with men aren't angry at the male gender.

Stereotyping everybody who disagrees with you is always a good idea, isn't it, you bunch of neckbeards?

Male SJWs have problems with women. Real men don't need to kiss all women's asses to get a women.

Real men know that it's better to shut yourself in your room and be forever alone than to ever bother trying to be nice to women.

I would say the MAJORITY of women

Your wife might be big, but she's not that big.