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[–]StandWithLilith 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (6子コメント)

My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

does not compute.

[–]gammaTHETA[CITATION NEEDED] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

who's in charge of the KiA self-awareness chapter? yes i'll hold please

[–]foxpajamasSocial Justice Hall Monitor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My wife isn't transphobic, she's just bigoted against trans people. What's the big deal?

[–]dudeseriouslynoI castrate a gamer every morning 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I'm not sexist, but I think women aren't people."

[–]blahdenfreude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[insert individual here] ["to be" conjugation] not a ["person against some class of people"] but [directly contradictory statement].

[–]metroidcompositeSJW GTA developer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That reminds me of a friend of mine who worked at a gamestop. His manager (on camera) right after Obama got elected said "I'm not racist, I just don't want a n***** to be president."

The manager got fired for that one.

[–]emphasis_mine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you liked this cognitive dissonance you will probably also enjoy:

  • I'm not homophobic but I think people shouldn't be gay in public
  • I'm not racist, I just hate "black culture"
  • I don't hate black people, I just hate the n****
  • I'm not sexist, but I think women should be paid less than men
  • I'm not classist but I think the poors should stop being lazy & get jobs

GATOR PROTIP: If you agree with any of the above you are a bigot. I recommend buying a plastic skull prop and starting a patreon.

[–]sionava☥Social Justice Avatar☥ 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least some of them are challenging that sentiment in the comments.

A shame to see others wholeheartedly agreeing, though.

[–]gong8 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real women don't...real men don't...real women aren't

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[–]DrakosAmatras 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Male SJWs have problems with women. Real men don't need to kiss all women's asses to get a women."

Did someone who supposedly doesn't like what she considers to be a man speaking for women really just spoke for men?

"I would say the MAJORITY of women (who don't live in SF) think like this."

Source: Community Of Lazily Observed Numbers

[–]FemperialWhiteKnight⚔Social Justice Paladin⚔ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

All this time of treating women like human beings (which is apparently directly equivalent to ass kissing), I thought I was doing it because I believe in treating all people with equal respect without regard to their race or gender.

Turns out, I'm only doing it to get laid...? Wait. What? Are we in fucking bizarro land now? Do these people even listen to themselves?

[–]Newbielurker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gators do not have very strong beliefs, so they need to think that all other beliefs don't really exist. So they come up with reasons for people to dislike them in a way that completely dismisses any actual belief that gg is unlike able. So....All the guys just want to get laid, all the women have mental illnesses and want to kill all men...etc

Needless to say, except to GG of course, this is not how a succesful movement works. A succesful movement would actually use convincing arguments, starting from where the other member of the public was feeling, and inform the public about the movement in a way that addresses their concerns. This way they build positive connections and positive word of mouth. Gators meanwhile that anyone who doesn't already have a positive view of their movement, or even want to find out if they should have a positive view, are a shill and should be dismissed.

[–]thoughtful_taste 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In general, people tend to default to seeing others' motivations as working similarly to their own. Thus we see the "white knight" crap coming from people, as they are unable to conceive of treating women as people for any other reason than for sex. They only see women as people to get sex from.

[–]emphasis_mine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I assume that dudes who accuse others of "white knighting" are pretty much 100% projecting.

[–]SDWCSMLiterally Which 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have a feeling that this poster's wife isn't a real woman.

As in she does not exist and was only used to make a no true Scotsman statement.

[–]Newbielurker 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, with so many qualifiers on what makes a "real woman" I'm surprised anyone is allowed to be a woman by gg.

And as I typed that, I realised they aren't.

[–]Trorbes[🍰] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only "real woman" they accept is Vivian James.

[–]CallMePollyannaRESPECTS! IS! URN! 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno, in my experience, real women can be transphobic and misogynists.

[–]conradpoohsShrilly Demanded Respects 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given how readily she agrees with all of his opinions, it's entirely possible that she is a parrot

[–]cluelesspersonMount Shillimanjaro 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quinn is a horrible person and shouldn't be defended. Real women don't cheat on their partners.

Are you fucking kidding me. So much bullshit in one two fucking sentences.

[–]EnleatEnt Leaf 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The only 'real' women are the women who conform to my personal tastes and political and moral ideologies. Everyone else isn't a 'true' woman".

You're not entitled to the details of someones personal sexual relationship. Nor do you know Zoe's side of the story. The only thing you have is Gjoni's word and he's so jilted and biased he had to adress his bias many times in the post itself. He's so obsessed with this woman that he's been trying to ruin her life ever since they broke up and has lied multiple times and showed some abhorrent behavior. So pardon me if i'm not inclined to take his word on anything.

[–]milojTheofeminist (whatever that means) 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I'm not transphobic but I disagree with people being trans"

I don't think I can even make fun of this, its just so incredibly stupid

[–]MenethModerator 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Damn, there's a lot of transphobia in there:

Wu isn't a real woman. My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

Your wife is right about trans women but that attitude would still be considered transphobic by the typical SJW.

She takes objection to a man doing it though. No doubt trans people have their own very difficult issues, but that's unrelated to non-trans women's issues in her mind. I agree with her there.

As per my post, at least one real woman disagrees with you. [What's being disagreed with: "Anyone who identifies as female gender is a real woman. No caveats, no addendums, no other requirements."]

Being a man or woman is a biological thing, you can't go from one to the other. You can become something new trans and there's nothing wrong with that, but you can't claim to be what you weren't born.

(All emphasis mine. Pulled from various comments in the thread. Bit over half of them OP's, but telling that they weren't downvoted heavily)

[–]gammaTHETA[CITATION NEEDED] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

> "I'm not transphobic but [transphobia]

liek dis if u crey evrytim

edit/addendum: my mom says trans women are real women. so do five other cisgender girls I know. so that's six different cisgender women who agree with said sentiment. but that probably dont mean shit because i know them and thus influence their political ideologies via collusion/corruption right

[–]ZoeBlade 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's almost like, for all their nonsense STEM posturing, they haven't read the latest whitepapers regarding the neurology of transsexualism.

[–]evergreennightmareMisogamist Nostrils 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

> whitepapers

more like white knight papers amirite

[–]thoughtful_taste 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a man or woman is a biological thing, you can't go from one to the other. You can become something new trans and there's nothing wrong with that, but you can't claim to be what you weren't born.

Haha, like a gamer? Nobody's born a gamer, therefore by their own logic, nobody can claim to be one.

Checkmate, gator!

[–]filo4000 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If your wife doesn't think trans women are real women, she's not a feminist and I'm glad she stopped self identifying as that label

[–]MenethModerator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Aren't TERFs technically feminists?

[–]filo4000 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally subscribe to the theory that to be a feminist, all you need to believe in is that women should have equal rights to men, but I think a caveat of that statement is being able to properly identity what a woman is, and that includes transwomen, therefore I don't believe that terfs can be defined as feminists

[–]cuddlegolifbuttchug cultural marxism 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

by label, yes, but not by practice

same with swerfs

[–]ZoeBlade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TERFs consider themselves feminists (and don't consider themselves TERFs despite excluding trans people; they also don't consider themselves cis, preferring the term "normal", but don't get me started).

However, most of their positions are against the basic tenets of feminism and inline with deeply conservative thinking. They want to say what other women can and can't do with their own bodies. They think "other women" (actually trans men) can't think for themselves and are duped into being trans. They think women should be denied being able to do certain things because of our bodies. They think trans women are too femme, but conversely think trans women are too butch. Some have harassed women to the point that their targets (including teenaged girls) have been put on suicide watch. They're pretty much the worst self-identified feminists. And I think not considering them feminists is probably OK because they don't care about how people self-identify.

[–]BadKeyMachine 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Here is a list of qualifications you need to meet to be a real woman, as designed by me, some random asshole. Please make sure you read these carefully so you don't fail to be a real woman."

[–]nervewrackingShillian James 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[Michael Bluth voice:] I don't know what I was expecting.

[–]PieCop 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta give those of them calling OP out some credit. KIA may be where the transphobes are, but that's different from KIA being transphobic.
That said, there's interesting stuff going on here. They're wielding "real" womanhood in the same way they wield "real" gamer status; acting like they're the arbiters of those traits, and using them to convince each other that anyone who doesn't make the grade is inherently an outsider who doesn't know what they're talking about and lacks their insight. Because if the commentators and gamers who disagree with them are the real deal - or even more "real" than they are" - they might actually have to take their experiences into consideration.
It's kind of similar to the whole right-wing "real (insert nationality here)", and in the same way it's being used to position the status quo as immutable and only flawed to those who don't understand it as well as they do.

[–]Tsuchino-koHas never mansplained in a bathtub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just for good measure: https://archive.today/7prP4

I'm glad to see some comments calling OP out but jesus it's depressing to see the ones saying "I totally agree."

[–]cuddlegolifbuttchug cultural marxism 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why do some gators insist on tokenizing the women in their life to invalidate the experiences of other women?

"hey, i know, in order to prove i'm not a misogynist, i'm going to strip the humanity away from a woman i claim to care about to silence other women i disagree with"

[–]sutemiakaなんだこのポンコツ… 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time someone complains about Patreon, I wish they would look into the history of art and uncover devious centries old skeleton schemes like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage#Arts

In the history of art, arts patronage refers to the support that kings, popes and the wealthy have provided to artists such as musicians, painters, and sculptors.

The difference between historic patronage and Patreon is that the latter doesn't rely on rich nobles, but a larger bunch of people giving smaller amounts to support an artist they appreciate. Because making art can be a very difficult way to 'make a living' and maybe some strangers giving you $5 a month might make a difference to your quality of life so you can go on creating art rather than having to sacrifice art creation to get a 'real job' so they can eat and survive.

(And if you don't think an artist is doing interesting or worthy work, you're free not to support that particular--or any other--artist. Because like people giving to Feminist Frequency's Kickstarter, it isn't enforced in any way. It's a completely voluntary way to support a creator you like.)

Sarkeesian wants attention and will do anything to get it. Real women don't need the limelight to survive.

This is the most bizarre of the 'real woman' requirements (the others being either just silly or offensive). Are Ann Coulter or Katie Hopkins 'not real women' because they rely on getting attention to make careers? Can we start questioning the womanhood of Rhianna or Britney Spears or Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga (oops that might end in transphobia too) due to their quests for fame? Should I be asking how real Jennifer Lawrence or Anne Hathaway or Angelina Jolie or Meryl Streep are, since they seem to want attention? Are there good types of attention to want?

What is the examples of the 'anything' Anita Sarkeesian has done for attention? Getting threats? (more like faking them olololz) Making run of the mill feminist critique videos? Talking about social issues? 'Capitalising' on tragedies like she did with shooting incidents/toxic masculinity (even though she didn't use it to promote herself, so I guess she was capitalising on behalf of the concept of 'toxic masculinity'??)?.

This starts to sound a lot like some variant of 'real women should be seen and not heard'. You can't try to get 'limelight' because real women don't need that, apparently.

Female SJWs have problems with men. Real women that don't have problems with men aren't angry at the male gender.

What about real women who do have problems with 'men'? Oh sorry, I forgot who are real is decided by this guy's wife.

Male SJWs have problems with women. Real men don't need to kiss all women's asses to get a women.

Heteronormative assumption that male skeletons must be trying to 'get a woman' by being a feminist/SJW and aren't 'real men' if they do. But this is from a 'not transphobic but says transphobic things' person.

Are you allowed to be a male skeleton and still get to be a 'real man' if you aren't trying to get a woman?

[–]ZoeBlade 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good lord...

Quinn is a horrible person and shouldn't be defended. Real women don't cheat on their partners.

Cheating on your partner is a bad thing to do. I don't know or care if she did that. It's not a reason to harass someone en masse.

Wu isn't a real woman. My wife isn't transphobic but she doesn't think someone that used to be a man can be considered a real women and speak for them.

I don't know if she's trans or not, but yes, it is actually transphobic to say that trans women aren't "real" women and trans men aren't "real" men (not that transphobes seem to even acknowledge the existence of trans men most of the time). This should be pretty basic stuff, really.

Sarkeesian wants attention and will do anything to get it. Real women don't need the limelight to survive.

She wanted to popularise some basic feminist theory regarding entertainment. She didn't ask to be harassed en masse, which inadvertently put her in the limelight.

Patreon is an embarrassing way to make a living. Get a job.

It sounds like a nice way to make a living to me. But I guess I'm biased, I'm Patreonising Jim Sterling. I could see an argument that making reviews or making games doesn't count as a real job, say, compared to building houses or converting energy to electricity or something else that's necessary for a civilisation's infrastructure, but I doubt that's the argument they're trying to make. People make money making entertainment, and if they didn't, there wouldn't be a games industry, only the indie scene. Which I don't think is what Gaters want.

Female SJWs have problems with men. Real women that don't have problems with men aren't angry at the male gender.

No we don't.

Male SJWs have problems with women. Real men don't need to kiss all women's asses to get a women.

No they don't. Not actively being an arsehole to someone doesn't constitute "having a problem" with them. That's seriously backwards thinking.

So it's another basic, ill-thought-out list of why people they don't like aren't "real" women and men. The epitome of exclusivity.

TL; DR: Gaters gonna Gate.

[–]SDWCSMLiterally Which 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

not that transphobes seem to even acknowledge the existence of trans men most of the time

I would suggest forcing them to watch boys don't cry, but I think they would sympathise with the villains of the piece.

[–]ZoeBlade 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's one of those weird things where I'm not sure which is worse, being stereotyped and vilified like trans women are, or being assumed to not exist like trans men and genderqueer people are.

I think they need to see Ma Vie en Rose.

[–]SDWCSMLiterally Which 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't know that film existed, I will need to check it out

[–]ZoeBlade 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's very depressing (especially if you're trans), but (or, rather, because) it's the most accurate depiction of being a transsexual I've seen in a film.

[–]CallMePollyannaRESPECTS! IS! URN! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was also misogyny. Apparently, "real" women don't cheat on their partners. At least the top voted comment called the transphobia out. I was yelling "F*ck You" at every point.

Edited to censor swearing.

[–]Fopenplop 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just trying to understand the reasoning whereby gender is a reward granted for meeting someone else's arbitrary moral standard. Like that's a breed of gender essentialism I hadn't seen before.

At least the rest of the community is disagreeing with him. I can certainly give them that.

Edit: Okay, some of them disagree.

[–]ThisSiteIsDumbAndBadPsy-ops Specialist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to give the commenters credit, though.

And that's part of what's maddening about googergoggles: It does included at least some people who seem, in some ways, decent.

So why do these people align themselves with a toxic bunch of assholes? Is the sense of belonging that comes with being part of some online group really so important to people that they can overlook what the group actually does to continue to feel it?

Why wouldn't you align yourself with some other online group, that doesn't threaten to rape and murder people they disagree with? It's not like there's membership dues or anything.

[–]EnleatEnt Leaf 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

.... I'm honestly sick to my stomach from reading all of this. God i'm fucking livid right now.

Fuck you KiA. Fuck every single one of you.

[–]sjwisnotaninsultGOD HATES SJWS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Female SJWs have problems with men. Real women that don't have problems with men aren't angry at the male gender.

I'm so glad your wife (who totes exists) has decided to inform me that I'm not a real woman. I guess I have to shred my 'real woman' card. Maybe if I bathe in enough male tears, I'll become a real woman again :'(

[–]foxpajamasSocial Justice Hall Monitor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Decent people don't run around saying that "real" women are a certain way, and "real" men are a certain way, and any deviation from the narrow criteria for those terms means you can shame someone for not being "real". The only people who think that way are bigots and idiots. I'm sure that if this guy's wife is actually a person and not a MLP figurine melting in a jar of his own effluvium, then she's either not that bright, or really fucking mean. Probably both, stupidity and mistreatment of others are close cousins.

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[–]FemperialWhiteKnight⚔Social Justice Paladin⚔ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL.

No, really, let's let the Misters cis-mansplain to us about transphobia. Their track record for tolerance and acceptance is spotless. /s

[–]mudzeModerator 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's the second dot point, get your eyes tested.

[–]sutemiakaなんだこのポンコツ… 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this further proof that KiA is basically a MRM if criticism of it ends up in AMRsucks?

[–]fluffywhitethingMaking Shillions 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't think there was any doubt about it being a MRM.

[–]EnleatEnt Leaf 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, totally not transphobic, it's just the truth! The truth as i define it and as it fits into my world view!

Fuck all of you.

[–]SweetNyan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whats the chances his wife is as real as Vivian James?

[–]Casey234[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vivian James isn't real? :o

[–]phoebeburghNot Actually A "Real Woman" 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering I wrote a blog post titled "Gamers are Dead" about a week and a half before I publicly came out, and it garnered no attention whatsoever, I can honestly say that KIA doesn't see me as a real woman.

Thank the Maker. Dodged a real bullet there.

[–]Doldenberg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, at first, I wanted to talk about how this shows us that capitalism and feminism can not peacefully coexist. Arguments like "Creators should do 'real' jobs to be able to create things in their free time" and "Women can free themselves from oppression through hard work" are typical neo-liberal, laissez-faire capitalist, anti-intellectual bullshit. It's a very noble idea that this would work, but it's also a very unrealistic one.

When reading further though, I noticed that this woman has absolutely no opinion at all that could be considered feminist. She thinks men do all they do only for sex. She thinks trans women aren't women. She constantly talks about "real women", reinforcing gender stereotypes instead of breaking them.

I seriously wonder how those people who are opposed to everything that feminism is about from the beginning nonetheless find it fitting to describe themselves as "feminist".

Oh wait a diddly darn minute.

CHS.

Nevermind.

[–]Zaiik 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this thread: an account with 7 posts which is 16 hours old is representative of every single user of KiA.

Stay classy Ghazelles.

[–]blalien 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The post has 0 upvotes and most of the comments are calling out his transphobia. OP is an asshole but I wouldn't label this one as "KiA being transphobic."