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[–]IAmWinterKnight 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Maybe my reading comprehension is less than stellar at 3 AM, but from my understanding, your dealings were with ESL & Deman and you held off publishing the story out of respect to Deman's wishes, so I'm confused why you feel Riot was in the wrong here. It seems to me that you were upset with Riot "scooping" you when they never made a deal with you to let you break the story and once they found out that you knew about the story and were planning to publish it, they beat you to the punch because you agreed to hold off for Deman's sake. Am I wrong, /u/ESH_Richard_Lewis ?

[–]dariusnerf 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This dude here summarizes what happened between them pretty nicely for you starcraft peeps instead of just blaming riot.

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2o1fk4/the_full_story_about_what_happened_between_rlewis/cmitbqf

[–]dudewithabox1 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Riot has never intervened in these type of situations.

The (kinda) recent Thoorin vs Regi drama is the best example i can think of. Even in the height of the shit-talking, when everyone was saying Riot is gonna fine X for X reason, they didn't act.

Probably purely for PR reasons so they don't look like the overarching evil company. And that's my point, you're all acting like Riot is getting a free-pass in the league community. Get your head out of your ass kthxbye.

[–]Gosu Pizza, eSportsmax.com, GGMaster.comLycangrope 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You know I'm a fan of your work, /u/ESH_Richard_Lewis. I'm sad you won't be at IEM. You were really great at the DH panel desk. That said, I've always wondered how a company can be faulted for preempting a leak. Riot knew you were sitting on big news that they wanted to release. From their email, "Sorry for urgency, but we really don't want Richard Lewis breaking news we should be telling the community ourselves."

This could be spun two ways. Either Riot genuinely wants themselves, the two individuals, and ESL to be the news breaker to the community (a reasonable thought process), or Riot hates you and wished to smote your article before it could be published. Both could be true.

If I'm reading your post correctly, your agreement to hold off was only with ESL. When you say, "Riot moving to break our agreement" you're only referring to the agreement with you and ESL? If so, then disregard ESL's compliance with Riot on this issue. I'm only curious about your feelings on organizations that want to break non-volatile news before a reporter. The move may have been dirty on Riot's part, but even you as a reporter know that dirty deeds fuel many business decisions, and this particular decision (on Riot's part) doesn't seem inherently unethical.

[–]PrimeRacoon8 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (29子コメント)

halfway through the post i was worried riot somehow forced esl to remove richard from the sc2 hosting position. that wouldve been real fucking sad if riot had that overarching power.
the way it all went down was a tragedy, makes sense for esl to not employ him this time. hope to see richard lewis at future esl events, there doesnt seem to be any bad blood between the parties.

[–]MVPAnsibled 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (27子コメント)

If they wanted to push it hard enough they probably could.

[–]PrimeRacoon8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

unfortunately youre prolly right. if esl has to sacrifice any one persona non grata in order to maintain their good relationship with riot and be the only event w/ lcs teams, theyd do it w/o battin an eye.

[–]Randomesoxx 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially after ESL's production disaster with the NA/EU expansion tournament, one might think that they have no more room for negotiating such things with Riot.

[–]Team LiquidBanKseSports 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (9子コメント)

As someone I know very well and consider a friend this really does annoy me. Regardless of people's opinion of Rich he has always worked relentlessly hard and does a great job... imo this is a big loss to the IEM San Jose line up.

[–]YAATC 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

ESL had to break out their kneepads to please riot... On multiple instances here, it is truly a shame.

[–]WeMade Foxrupertbayern 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The story is quite simple: Richard lost a story about Deman joining ESL, in part because of us. He blamed Deman for it and out of anger published an internal email showed to him by Deman in confidence. Both gentlemen feel betrayed by each other and would prefer not to speak to each other at this point. Out of loyalty to Deman we decided that it would be better that Richard does not work this event.

No not at all because of Riot... Richard fucked up and forced ESL to do this

source: Carmac

[–]CJ Entusbretty_gud [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I hope what you actually meant by that is DAE le Riot is le devil? Upgabens to the left!!!

[–]HaDeeZ [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

To be fair it could have easily been an innocent mistake as opposed to one made from anger as the tweet was deleted and retweeted without the recipient list attached to it within minutes.

[–]hax_wut [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

But innocent mistake or not it happened and everyone knows it was Deman who sent it to him. Their relationship's probably going to be frosty for a bit...

[–]HaDeeZ [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Their relationship's probably going to be frosty for a bit

No doubt.

[–]LordOP [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well, Carmac is known for being a Riot boi.

[–]Zergkawaii_renekton 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you clarify ? It looks like you had a deal with ESL not Riot, and they broke it and contacted Riot who pushed for publication. It seems that it is ESL PR's attempt to break the deal with you indirectly than anything Riot did.

Why does ESL/Carmac think that you outed Deman's hand intentionally ?

[–]wumikomiko [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

  1. You had an agreement with ESL that was overridden by Riot's PR.
  2. Why would Riot's PR give you a bone if you've been so critical of them?
  3. Angry tweets = Unprofessional
  4. You were angry, and now you're so salty.
  5. I'm sorry that this event jeopardized your career, but don't act as if the only flaw you had in this event was your angry tweet.

[–]Aylomein 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Carmac's response

The story is quite simple: Richard lost a story about Deman joining ESL, in part because of us. He blamed Deman for it and out of anger published an internal email showed to him by Deman in confidence. Both gentlemen feel betrayed by each other and would prefer not to speak to each other at this point. Out of loyalty to Deman we decided that it would be better that Richard does not work this event.

[–]iAmJu 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand being a hard working journalist, but it is entirely Riot's right to say "Hey, we want to be releasing the sensitive info"... that's not ill-mannered at all. Don't be whiney.

[–]CoreEJK [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

well as long as you are incontrol of the situation, good luck man

[–]ZergBrotmanLoL 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next time Richard, we will allways welcome you.

[–]dentistYT 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (28子コメント)

What some people don't understand - as e-sports gets bigger and bigger, the money and publicity you can make and get with such a story (for anyone not completely familiar with the LoL scene, the departure of Joe and Deman is pretty big to the community) is huge and it will only get bigger.

Richards track record when it comes to leaks is impressive, everyone in the scene should know that and as someone who had the honor and pleasure of talking to him on a personal level, the dude is everything but bad/impolite/corrupt. He is an awesome person and I 100% trust his words in this case. He wasn't the one doing a mistake - he tried to go the politically and morally correct way in a world where politically and morally correct ways are incongruous.

He won't do that again. Next time his article will be at the top of a subreddit that generates a ridiculous amount of traffic. I can understand ESL's and Riot's standpoint - but whenever a secret of yours gets revealed and the person doing so gives you the chance to find a compromise, you don't fuck him in the ass. You just don't do that.

[–]BookmarkSaver 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Rofl. Anything but bad/impolite? The guy constantly releases "editorials" demonizing Riot every time they make an official decision. It's no secret he's always hated them and now he's come up with a contrived conspiracy to make them look bad.

[–]greyfacenospace 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

please don't interrupt the circlejerk of richard "the esports martyr" lewis, thank you

[–]AFI33 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what RL has written there was no agreement between RL and Riot, the agreement was between RL and ESL.

It was his oversight to think ESL would not feel obliged to inform Riot with the amount of money that is involved in their continued collaboration. He then failed to realise that subsequently Riot would react in what they percieved to be their best interests and the best interests of their employees and have control over the release of the article.

Although he denies it part of the reason he sat on the article was to not piss ESL off so they would employ him for IEM San Jose gaining him huge added exposure. He took a gamble by sitting on the story and The Daily Dot should rightly be ticked of with him.

As a journalist you know that if you sit on something there is a chance someone else will release it first and this is what happened. He then reacted angrily and betrayed a sources confidence out of spite.

[–]martacc 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I'm sorry if I'm going to sound stupid or something. I don't speak English as my first language and I didn't understand what "story" they were talking about. What story was Richard holding and the Riot made someting to release it anyway but with another person's name?

[–]Secyafid 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Joe Miller and Leigh "Deman" Smith, two casters of the european LoL Championship series, will not be casting LoL anymore since they now have a contract with ESL. This is huge to the league community because these two are quite popular casters in the LoL Scene and nobody expected them to stop working for riot.

[–]Royo_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

AFAIK they've always been under ESL contract. ESL was subcontracted by Riot to run LCS EU production. Riot recently announced that they were opening their own production studio in Berlin. I'm assuming they were willing to buy out Sjokz' ESL contract (cause hey, where are they gonna find another hot girl with hosting talent and good game knowledge?) but not Joe Miller/Deman's.

I really hope Joe Miller finds a new good gig. He's been through a few games and has always been an excellent caster. And unlike some other esports personalities he ain't no diva/attention whore. Now if only we could revive the Quake scene...

[–]CmdrMmore 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Deman was actually employed by Riot since a year or so ago. Joe was still with ESL, yes. I don't think money was the issue here, Joe Miller is worth incredibly much to the LoL community. They just got more interesting opportunities offered by ESL and I think they wanted to stay together.

[–]WeMade Foxrupertbayern [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Deman wrote that he doesnt want to move to berlin which would have been necessary in order to cast the LCS

[–]hilti2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

In my understanding Riot wanted Deman and Joe and Deman was working for Riot already and not ESL. But both of them don't want to move to Berlin.

[–]briedux [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Joe was always ESL, yes. But wansn't Deman a Riot employee?

[–]WhipWing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Story - Deman and Joe Miller not casting League's 2015 LCS.

Riot released it even though they had promised to compromise with Richard (the OP who is a journalist and a caster? for Sc2? Not sure who op actually is tbh )

You don't sound stupid English isn't your first language dude, you write it well and a hell of a lot better than i write or speak any second language.

[–]martacc 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oooh that story! I thought it was Deman and Joe who posted it in their own facebook before Riot said anything. And because of that ESL dismissed him?

Thanks, ahah, I speak english fluently but sometimes I don't get the context of some sentences and I end up getting lost in big statements like this one :p

[–]HerrSchnee [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Riot didn't have a com/promise with RL. ESL had it.

[–]ThePaSch [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

ESL dismissed him because he betrayed the trust of Deman by revealing that he was the one who kept him in the Riot loop through that angry twitter post™ of his.

[–]KT RolsterSiantlark -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Richard had the news that two important members of the LoL fommunity would be leaving the EU LCS, Riot's version of the EU WCS for LoL. He went to ESL to ask for comments and clarifications and the news was bounced to Riot. They then released the news themselves in order to control the information and the public perception of said information and RL posts his source on Twitter. That's a big mistake and one that gets him removed, understandably, from the IEM lineup.

[–]WeMade Foxrupertbayern 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No they did not. Riot did not release the news. Joe and Deman released it on their Facebook accounts.

[–]briedux [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The e-mail that was leaked by one of the two parties that released the story (Deman) clearly shows that he was encouraged to post it, instead of waiting for the initially foreseen announcement.

[–]mikegallino [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

At the behest of Riot and ESL, look at the email to Deman that Richard posted on his twitter. Knowing Richard would break the story, a Rioter told them to release public statements before the agreed upon date they had worked out with Richard. You can tell Deman thought it was scummy because he was the one who sent the email to Richard in the first place. A person with a clean conscience doesn't need to explain their actions.

[–]Zaloon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

While I agree with you that ESL/Riot fucked up hard by not trying to find a common ground on the Joe/Deman news, I just can't see how Richard wasn't "the one doing a mistake". He's a journalist, and any journalist would know that if a top story is being made you have to report it somehow. In this case he had to face a tough choice: to do his job as a journalist or as a friend, and it turned out to bite him in the ass (regardless of whose fault it was). While I can understand his situation, the truth is that he made a mistake.

By the way, if you think that Richard is "everything but impolite" you should go around Reddit seeing how he loves to insult people who criticizes his work, as he is somehow a god of journalism and the rest some peasants with the comprehension level of a lettuce.

[–]jasonissohandsome [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Richard Lewis, this scenario is bullshit. At this point you're stirring up drama to victimize yourself and blame Riot.

You did a favor to ESL by not leaking the Deman/Joe Miller story. ESL leaked the story to Riot, who had full rights to publish anything about their own (now ex)employees.

Then you leaked that Deman was the one from ESL requesting you don't publish the story first. Which shifted your blame from ESL to personally expose Deman.

But at the same time you're not blaming ESL for any of this because you still want to keep ties with them for their Starcraft scene.

So how do you victimize yourself in a scenario you fucked up in? Blame another company, Riot, who was well within their rights to do what they did.

I understand that eSports journalism requires a lot of time and it's directly correlated to your paycheck. Every first story is another few bucks.

But don't fucking try to pull this onto your readers, you've done nothing but shit all over your own credibility by throwing shit at everyone else but yourself. You're even posting this to /r/Starcraft where you know an Anti-Riot stance would be better appreciated.

[–]EasymodeX [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

who had full rights to publish anything about their own (now ex)employees.

Full objective "legal" rights, but not honest rights to take action based on information they received unethically. If Riot had respect for journalism and wanted to make the journalist community their ally rather than their enemy, they would be more open with their communication and work with said journalists, not spite them at every turn.

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I am partially blaming ESL for it. Did you not read my post?

[–]ZergCaesarGaming 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sad this happened Rich :( I was really excited to see you at IEM as a host. SC2 has been good to you and you to her. I hope this gets sorted in due time, would love to see you return to IEM some day.

[–]Axiominvesari 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Out of loyalty to Deman we decided that it would be better that Richard does not work this event.

Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where salty and tender feelings of an employee were less important than those of the numerous customers?

Is it really that difficult for two professional, grown men to avoid punching one another for 3 days?

I was looking forward to this event, specifically because of Richard Lewis.

[–]SK Telecom T1Eratchos 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the world of Human Resource Management where every action surrounding two employees is seen as black and white.....

[–]Mmiz [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Deman is 100x more important to esports (not just lol) than Richard.

[–]Kazelrov 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

A fair compromise gone bad because ESL didn't tell Riot not to rush reveal it. They had their chance and blew it.

As for Riot... quite ridiculous.

[–]WeMade Foxrupertbayern 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But Riot didnt even reveal it... Deman and Joe did it themselves. Riot just told them that they should do it now because every article by Richard seems to be anti Riot in any way.

[–]Randomturdburglersc [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

but thats a self fulfilling cycle, you cant blame him for that. businesses love to shout about their good sides especially now that so many people are linked up to social media 24/7, its easy to tell your fans about positive things.

that means the only stories that need to be written are the negative ones.

in old style print media it made more sense for there to be a balance of positive and negative things, because the average reader had no way of getting information from first parties. now thats clearly no longer the case, doubly so for online media.

[–]Evil GeniusesRoxasV2 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Deman and Joe were Riot employees. Fuck them for trying to break out the news b4 Richard, right?

EDIT: Also note that ESL had the agreement with Richard, not Riot. Riot acted on knowledge given to them by ESL

[–]BruceSwain [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Joe was not a riot employee lol

[–]EasymodeX [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

A fair compromise gone bad because ESL should not have spoken to Riot alone about the situation. ESL should have either said nothing to Riot, protecting their deal with RL, or they should have had a meeting with RL and Riot at the same time to discuss the situation after giving a heads up to RL.

Either of those options would be fair. The latter option would be the most fair.

ESL did neither of those things. They broke their agreement behind RL's back which is pretty damn bad. Riot also acted like douchebags, which is moderately bad. RL later fucked up with the tweet. That was pretty damn bad as well.

ESL simply acted in an extremely unprofessional manner. Riot acted in a moderately unprofessional manner.

Of course, this is esports, and the customer base are a bunch of dumbass kids who have never worked in a professional environment in their lives and wouldn't know one if it hit them in the face.

Hence the length of this thread.

[–]Jin Air Green Wings43D4B68D4E04A300 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (43子コメント)

I'm glad I stopped watching League for SC2 and CS:GO. The only thing worse than Riot is the obsessive fanboyism in the community which makes them immune to any criticism or backlash and a whitewashing of all their actions.

The top comment on any anti-Riot thread is always "But guys look at it from RIOTS point of view of course they lied to people in the same industry but it's JUST because they just love kittens so much..."

Edit: It's so surprising to see this comment dramatically slide down towards being hidden as people migrate over from r/leagueoflegends to defend Riot and downvote relevant comments that dare to disagree with the circlejerk and their beloved Riot, the irony is palpable. I don't give a fuck about Richard or his job at IEM Wherever and his loss of it isn't Riots fault. How Riot treat the press, and the possible negative affects of that, are entirely their fault and a valid reason to criticise the company.

[–]ezekieru 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's a bit ridiculous that you mention this as if Riot are all the bad guys and Richard, or ESL being the epic good guys. I don't believe any sort of story, because every single story from ESL, Riot, Richard or whoever else is sided to themselves in obviousness. You shouldn't believe someone that says something without good evidence. A whole text wall doesn't always means he's the good guy of the story.

Carmac mentioned before:

The story is quite simple: Richard lost a story about Deman joining ESL, in part because of us. He blamed Deman for it and out of anger published an internal email showed to him by Deman in confidence. Both gentlemen feel betrayed by each other and would prefer not to speak to each other at this point. Out of loyalty to Deman we decided that it would be better that Richard does not work this event.

How does that make you think? That makes you think that Richard is a little bit of a bitch for doing such, but would you believe this? Without thick evidence, there's no way to point your dirty fingers on someone.

The only thing worse than Riot is the obsessive fanboyism in the community which makes them immune to any criticism or backlash and a whitewashing of all their actions.

I think this is every community? I mean, everyone loves whoever, and if you're playing a game, loving it, and love its content thanks to its company or developer, you're obviously going to defend the guys because you really like their content and what they do for the community. You're pointing out the obvious, and it's just common sense.

Don't exaggerate on your reaction, because it's ridiculous when talking against a community.

[–]grulin 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (10子コメント)

you dont have to stop watching a game because you disagree with the developer about something.....

[–]MVPAnsibled 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The League eSports scene doesn't really exist independently of Riot though.

[–]Flabberlabs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You stopped watching league for this reason? In the grown-up world every (big) company makes those kind of mistakes. Better stop drinking Coca Cola, eat McDonalds, wear clothes from almost every store, etc. Focus on the product, not the drama around it.

[–]AncientSpark [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I see you haven't actually been at the LoL subreddit recently. Hell, when RL actually posted his tweet and it went onto the subreddit, I posted something to the effect of, "Well, it's hard to say what the agreement actually entailed or why the trigger was pulled to release before RL did," and one of the first responses I got boiled down to, "Yes, but when in doubt, blame Riot." Completely unsarcastically.

[–]Protosssafetyseal 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Riot is a huge company and while I agree, as of late their eSports dealings have been sketchy, Riot has incredible people working in other departments of the company. Their art team (IronStylus and Penguin to name a couple), and the game design team (the new SR map looks delightful) are two branches I can think of that have awesome people working in them.

I'm not defending the behavior of their eSports division, as this whole situation has been incredibly seedy and badly handled. I'm just saying that the reason everyone defends Riot and loves Riot is because there are quite a few Rioters that are deserved of praise and are really awesome people. If you ask most players about Riot they will tell you about the IronStylus', the Lyte's and the totally rad people who work there. No ones going to tell you "Magus handled this shady eSports situation last month it was so insane he's a monster." It's a big company, and not one giant mind.

[–]Old GenerationsNUCLEAR_SWASTIKA 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

CS:GO

It's a shame that it has been a clusterfuck with hackers/exploiters lately.

[–]Yoe Flash Wolvesduennschizz [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

imo dhw was clean regarding hackers. or lets call them cheaters because they dont code but they just run a fucking .exe

[–]Enferlain [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Good riddance.

[–]Nerisamai 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this comment is so stupid it's hilarious

[–]Zergkawaii_renekton -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

is the obsessive fanboyism in the community

This is something unique to /r/league

[–]Noir24 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait are you serious? I thought at first you were obviously sarcastic, but I thought I'd ask you if you actually believe this?

[–]pl99z 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really unique, I'd argue it's even worse in DotA. Riot are more often than not being criticized on the LoL sub reddit, believe it or not. Although people are quick to assume, that when Riot then replies, everything is fine and dandy, when it often isn't.

I've been playing LoL for over four years, and ignore everything they preach, because I know it's a load of bullshit. Especially in terms of eSports ethics. But also in terms of how much they care.

None the less "obsessive fanboyism" is wrongly worded to say the least. I haven't seen anyone from the EU-W server speak well of Riot's ethics.

[–]seabard [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

EU-W as in people who blamed Riot for jeopardizing their scene because they posted expansion tournament bracket late? (which was also the case for NA expansion tournament, and also matchups were clear to anyone who read the rules).

[–]overdoZer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad I stopped watching League for SC2 and CS:GO

alive gaem !

[–]fahaddddd [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

In this case Riot is taking way more heat than they should...

[–]Team Acergdkorps 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All of this could've gone a different way if only there was better communication between Richard, ESL and Riot. Like really, misunderstandings are the bane of any form of relationship.

[–]Sorayiel [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

So he ran out to the SC2 subreddit to whine here because people here don't think he's an egotistical crybaby? That's awesome.

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

Or I made the statement on this sub-reddit as it was a SC2 event I was working. Nice posting history.

[–]ZergMunQQ [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

he just wants you to notice him, Richard senpai :3

[–]ImRoger [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Care to elaborate on that?

they have proven themselves on multiple occasions to be unethical and untrustworthy operators in the e-sports space

[–]Sorayiel [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Ya well it got posted under the title "full story" over at the LoL-reddit, I was curious.

[–]34Tastes [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

It is sad that you feel the need to bitch to other communities about how "tyrannical" riot is to validate yourself.

I personally know journalists who worked on an article for few weeks, only to have their spotlight stolen by someone else who released the news first. It happens a lot in journalism no matter how it happens, and if you cant deal with that why are you a journalist?

And why do you write that you have no malice towards other parties involved when the sole reason you are writing this is to save face by blaming other parties?

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

This is the SC2 sub. It was an SC2 event I won't be working. You may be intelligent enough to make the connection as to why I posted here.

[–]34Tastes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You still had felt like you needed to bitch about riot here even if it was about SC 2. you wrote in your own words "they have proven themselves on multiple occasions to be unethical and untrustworthy operators in the e-sports space" even though that statement is completely unnecessary to this whole explaination

[–]Xaxxon [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

But probably not. The hate is strong with this one.

[–]EvisGamer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is why e-sports are such a cluster fuck. The unprofessionalism and beauty queen drama on display here are appalling. Serious high-school level bullshit on all fronts. Man up, all of you.

[–]RandomMadalsSC2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Regardless of what happened, it seems that you acted beyond what was required in terms of professional ethics and stood by your own beliefs. Ultimately, at the very least, you can go past this situation knowing that you did what you thought was right and can live with a clean slate - something other parties involved may not be able to do.

While this doesn't equate to $$$ for you or your employer, I hope that the integrity and respect you have shown will result in furthering your endeavors in the future :)

[–]Na'ViLav1tz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Richard I hope this gets resolved in a timely fashion. I really appreciate your investigative journalism and broadcasting in the SC2 scene. Keep up the good work.

[–]akaku_moeru -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Richard made a bad decision when he was pissed off, and that's why he's not on the desk. Riot has next to nothing to do with this, and painting them as the villain only feeds the fuck LoL circlejerk this subreddit enjoys.

Yeah, it sucks that Richard's article got pre-empted, but that's not why he's not at San Jose.

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]akaku_moeru -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, they have a lot to do with what led to you making your anger-fueled decision, and that sucks and I wish it didn't turn out that way.

It's just not Riot that had you removed, and this subreddit's readers are likely to interpret your post as "Riot caused Richard to get kicked out of the event."

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not if they actually read the post.

[–]Skepni -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seeing how you didn't get the same message as me from reading akakus comment, I think it's unfair to expect other people to get your message a certain way reading your post.

While I think your post is well written and fair, I find denying such a thing as "readers bias" a bit naive.

With statements such as if a person got a different message from your words they didn't "actually" read or listen to them.

[–]JoeSparton 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you talking about. Nowhere did he say that Riot removed him. He said who removed him. Not only that but also the described the conversation and the relationship in both past and going forward. It couldn't be more clear. If you don't think Riot had a part to play your a moron. He didn't blame everything on riot. It was a reply to the guy commenting who thought riot did next to nothing which is not true. They may have done next to nothing in the eyes of someone who does not understand the politics of the situation. But it is screamingly obvious that if Riot did not play the role they did the events would have turned out in a completely different way. The exact opposite of nothing (or far from next to nothing) like the commenter claimed. I would say that the Bias involved in that comment did not come from the article but the reader. He cant nor should try to cancel out all of the jumping to incorrect conclusions people can do based on something not in the article. Or would you like Richard to try and go into a clearly infinite regression of cancelling out all things that article does not say as opposed to just sticking to what it did say.

[–]BeerMania 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read it. He copped up to his mistakes. & In general leaking anything internally is going to get you shit canned.

At the same time though this person did the "right" thing & quite possibly risked his livelihood & got shit on for it.

[–]ProtossSydex [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You know, I typically enjoy your reporting and think you're great at it. But here is certainly a case where you seem to have a damaged ego. I think you're reacting to this entirely wrong. Hope you keep your job though, I think you just blew this way over your head.

You say so yourself, you had an obligation to your employer and you considered them friends. Either way, somebody was going to get hurt by "leaking" a story like this. Seems to me the only damaged thing here is your ego. Riot isn't at fault, ESL isn't at fault...nobody is really at fault. Your ego just got hit, it happens to the best of us. I sincerely hope this calms down, would love to see you back doing interviews and reporting soon.

[–]Mmiz [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Who will ever trust you again with leaking info? I would not

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

All the people who do and still will whose identities I have protected for years.

[–]elykdavid -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]PrimeCaffypls 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He should just read the book tbh, it's great.

[–]elykdavid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A lot of people could benefit from the book.

[–]Samsung KHANTalic_Zealot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn.. all of that sucks balls. Yet again it is proven that Twitter shouldn't be used when angry... or when trying to have a discussion... or when trying to inappropriately joke... etc

[–]Kawdie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's 2 things I don't understand. Could anyone clear it up for me?

1) Who was it that promised Rich the story?

2) Why would Riot have a problem with a SC2 caster to begin with?

[–]WeMade Foxrupertbayern 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1) He said Riot at the beginning but it seems like he only had a deal with ESL. ESL than told Riot that Richard knew about it and Riot told Deman and Joe that it was better to publish the story know because Richards articles are always a "little bit" biased

2) They dont. But Joe and Deman were their employes and they want the story to be published by the affected guys. Also ESL kicked him and not riot. This is was Carmac wrote:

The story is quite simple: Richard lost a story about Deman joining ESL, in part because of us. He blamed Deman for it and out of anger published an internal email showed to him by Deman in confidence. Both gentlemen feel betrayed by each other and would prefer not to speak to each other at this point. Out of loyalty to Deman we decided that it would be better that Richard does not work this event.

[–]Zergkawaii_renekton -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1)multiple sources 2) RL accidentally screwed over a former Riot, current ESL employee (Deman) regarding his Riot-ESL transfer story so ESL fired him in deference to Deman.

[–]Linkfisch [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

After what he did to Tabzz i don't really feel sorry for him anymore. But thats my opinion on him now and i have read the whole post but really i feel not bad about this at all.

[–]Evil GeniusesSxi139 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

In my opinion switching Richard out for Seltzer is kind of a bad move. Horrible switch, ESL should have tried to get djWheat if they were going to replace Richard.

Just seems to me its another Riot fuckup ruining eSports again.

[–]ZergdjWHEAT [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately I wasn't available this week as I'm about to move my family cross country. I think Seltzer will do a fine job.

[–]Evil GeniusesSxi139 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Ah dang, good luck with your move :)

now i feel bad for saying what i said.

[–]ZergdjWHEAT [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Nah don't feel bad! You didn't know all the infos!

[–]Djincks [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Never go full Riot.

[–]BeerMania -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enjoyed your casting. Best of luck to your future endeavors.

As a side note fuck the bull shit.

[–]34Tastes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Seems to me that RL is heavily blaming Riot because he knows he has no chance to be involved in any League related broadcasts ever,while praising ESL by saying it isn't quite their fault because he wants to continue doing SC2 related events.At best,all parties are in the wrong here but to say that there is a clear villain in the story is quite ignorant. The way I see it, RL and ESL had an agreement that they would keep the news under wraps and reveal it after IEM San Jose, however, ESL revealed the news to Riot and Riot decided to publish the news instead. How is that Riot's fault? Riot did the right thing because Deman was a Riot employee and Joe was contracted to Riot to do LCS. They were, more or less, Riot employees and it makes all the sense in the world for Riot to want to release the news themselves instead of giving RL, a person who is really critical of Riot, free clicks and money. Riot would have released the news in due time, but due to them knowing that RL was sitting on the story, they decided to release it themselves because they felt that it was better that the community hears the story from Riot and Deman/Joe, instead of RL. I think that if RL published this story, there would be a circlejerk against Riot "hur why u no publish story urselves!!!!11". What people need to realize is that RL cares first and foremost about getting the story first just like many other journalists. Truth be told, in this story he is the person that messed up the most because in his rage induced twitter rant he forgot to remove the "From" line and as a result he betrayed Deman who leaked him the email in privacy. All because he wanted to get the story first. Now he's making Reddit posts about how "It was Riot's fault". Riot did a lot of stupid shit in the past but in this case they are, in my opinion, not guilty in the slightest.

[–]ZeNEXmeetbob -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BASED GOD RICHARD LEWIS

[–]danteafk -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

who was in the recipient list? I NEED TO KNOW

[–]WeMade FoxDaRaSC2 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

TL;DR please?

[–]overdoZer -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no qualms about working with ESL again in a broadcasting capacity however. I offered to do this gig despite the drama, to put everything aside and give it my best for them and the community.

Thank you man , sincerely , you hosting IEM sc2 was really something i was looking to , that you would still want to host this for the community ,despite all that shit , i think everybody here appreciate it. Hope you'll get the opportunity to host another sc2 event in the future ,who knows?!

[–]camguide2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

tldr:

  • works in the esl esports scene as journalist of some sort
  • finds out something that can be leaked from riot
  • trusts and leaks it to co-workers
  • co-workers want some of that fame and that raise and betray his trust
  • co-workers tell about the leak to riot
  • he loses the story and risks losing his job
  • most could have been prevented by only communicating with his boss

next time, you should be careful of who you trust (especially in this field) and what you post. yeah, this is stupid criticism but also friendly advice and yes, of course it will conflict with both riot and ESL if you leak something when they both are partnered.

[–]KT RolsterTheSpooneh -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand ESL's move, but to shunt someone to play nice with Riot feels like a shortchange. Either way, hope to see Rich at future events, as a SC2 fan I can see the enthusiasm that comes from your broadcast. Just want to let you know it's appreciated.

[–]CANTDOWNVOTETHETRUTH [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Derpa derpa derrrp

[–]12four1989 [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Richard lewis you're a rat

[–]ESH_Richard_Lewis[S] [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Why's that?

[–]Axiominvesari [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You are pulling a Totalbiscuit right now. Stop.

You know what this thread will look like in 5 hours? 20 personal attacks downvoted into oblivion with you replying to each and every one of them.