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[–]Justinrp[Justinp] (NA) 1363 ポイント1364 ポイント x2 (333子コメント)

Since some people don't really get why Richard is upset by this, as a journalist you always want to be the first to get a story out. If he gets the story out first, then it gets the most views, which directly effects his revenue. Richard already had this story and was prepared to post it but he wanted to get a comment about it from Riot. Riot asked him to hold off until after IEM just because they wanted to post it first for whatever reason.

If Richard would have just posted his story first, he would have gotten a ton of views and Deman and Joe could have still posted their statements about it afterwards. Everyone would have still read their statements. But there's no point in Richard posting his story after theirs because why read a story about them leaving from a third party when we already know that they're leaving and why they are doing so?

This also breaks the trust Richard will have from Riot in the future. Next time something like this happens, he won't listen to Riot and wait. He'll just post it.

Edit: HELLO?! Why is my post so popular and why did I get reddit gold haha. Thought I was just pointing out the obvious. There's some posts I want to respond too but I'm not up to getting into internet wars today. I just want people to understand that this is simply how journalism works.

Oh also... THANKS FOR THE REDDIT GOLD, MY FRIEND!

Edit 2: Another gold?! I appreciate it guys but you really don't have to spend your money on me friends. Much love though <3.

[–]mortiphago 374 ポイント375 ポイント  (144子コメント)

He'll just post it.

As he damn well should. It's journalism, not corporate PR. They shouldn't be "collaborating" that closely to start with

[–]StirringRod 146 ポイント147 ポイント  (21子コメント)

You could also get additional information or confirmation by talking to Riot. Something that would improve your release.

[–]auLight 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (16子コメント)

You can also piss a lot of people off, I saw this happen between EG's owner and another journalist 'Slasher', there's even a vod of them talking to each other on Skype where EG's owner mentions a few teams boycotting Slasher for not respecting embargo's, not totally the same but, similar.

edit:grammar

edit2: Re-reading my post I didn't even get my point across (its 6am) I would imagine Richard was trying to be polite with Riot because keeping yourself in good terms with the bodies your news relies on is really important.

[–]aerox1991 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Regarding your second edit:

Maybe so, but it's obvious he has a decently placed leak in Riot or someone who is in the know. This isn't information that he got under an embargo (as shown by the sentence "Richard grudgingly agreed to hold off until after IEM", because it means that Riot actively approached Richard to not publish after a certain date, if they had embargoed it then this wouldn't even be an issue) but got from a leak.

He extended Riot a courtesy by asking for comment and got fucked over by them. He has every right to be supremely pissed off. This isn't them collaborating, but this is him getting screwed over by adhering to what is considered polite in the reporting industry.

[–]auLight 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that is pretty much what I wanted to say, I suck with words :D

[–]wix001 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not collaborating, it's getting a comment on it.

The initial facts are what tell the story, so it's a mere contribution of commenting on what those facts represent.

[–]kinsano 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You still want to get both sides of the story, that's just responsible reporting not collaborating. It'd be one thing if riot said no comment, you do what you have to. But to be like hey mind waiting a bit to break the story? Then rushing out the story themselves is pretty two faced. Now Richard really has no reason to trust them.

[–]EagerBrad 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (100子コメント)

If he is a journalist looking to expose something before it is announced by those involved (which is what his sort of journalism entails), he shouldn't be so naive in his belief that the organisation he is looking to trump fights back in order to release their news first. He would have no issue in making Riot look foolish by releasing their information before they do (which isn't necessarily wrong of him, may I add), but he can't take what he is prepared to dish out.

[–]regect 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The way I understand this whole thing, Riot essentially turned down a long-term mutually beneficial arrangement for the short-term gain of having complete control over how this story came out.

The arrangement is that in exchange for Richard giving Riot a heads-up before releasing big stories like this, they provide him with more accurate information or corrections.

This is good for Riot in many ways:

  • Obviously they get some time to prepare for the reaction, write official statements, etc.
  • They can give Richard their side of the story, maybe influencing him to paint them in a better light.
  • Clearing mistakes up before the article comes out can save both sides a lot of headaches.
  • If they really don't want some aspects of a story coming out, it at least gives them a chance to try and bargain with him.

It benefits Richard much less than it does them. Sure, corrections and some discussion before releasing it can legitimately make the article better, but if it's a story worth releasing then it would've gotten many clicks regardless. If he doesn't trust Riot and thinks they'll pull this kind of stuff, he won't take the risk and the whole arrangement falls apart, no going back.

Riot made a choice, and I'm not there to judge if it was right or wrong. Maybe they thought it would break Deman's heart or something if it leaked, and took a hit for him out of gratitude for his service, maybe Richard and Riot are both Dicks, but what's done is done.

[–]Kantace [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Riot does not need Richard. They lost nothing and after this reddit post peak everyone will forget.

[–]Kal-Jobi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (93子コメント)

Well it wasn't a major news, I mean it's important but I don't get why Riot didn't want him to publish the news. By doing so they just destroyed his work and didn't anything for it.

[–]prospectre 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (74子コメント)

Well, that depends on how Richard would have spun the story.

"Riot Staff Poached By ESL"

"EU Casters Released by Riot"

"Deman and Joe Miller Dissatisfied With Riot, Join ESL"

See what I mean? They get to control how the story is broken, and avoid a 3rd party potentially adding narrative where there shouldn't be.

[–]Bernarkdar 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For example...

'Anyone wanting to know just how petty Riot can be...'

[–]19degreez 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some people don't realize this at all, and how important this can be sometimes.

[–]Reginault 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Which he is known to do already, so it's not even a risk of the story being spun, it's a certainty.

[–]richmond33 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In light of this, i see no wrong in Riot wanting to post their news themselves.

And despite Richard being a great journalist for our community, he's at times been tabloid before.

[–]orzoO0 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How do you know Riot's announcement isn't spun? They have more motive than an independent journalist to spin a story.

[–]prospectre 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the whole fucking point. We don't know the context, so jumping on the I Hate Riot circlejerk seems a little premature.

[–]AlistarDark 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Riot doesn't have to resort to blog posts to get advertising. Indie journalists on the other hand have everything to gain by click baiting and using overly dramatic headlines.

[–]EagerBrad 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it is news about their employees. Nobody wants that sort of news sneaked out by other people rather than them sending out their own statement.

[–]Chaipod 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He doesn't want to get on Riot's bad side either, since he's mostly covering their game. Riot might not be able to stop his posts, but they can deny him press access to events in the future, etc. He definitely wants to stay on the good side of riot which is why he was checking with them to begin with.

[–]Oztafan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. I mean there surely are advantages for both sides if they were working together. But in the future Richard should just publish what he knows.

We all know that George Orwell quote: "Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations."

[–]Wavozz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

tell that to travis

[–]GoDyrusGo 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Except Richard isn't a first-hand party involved here. This is a potentially sensitive event, and I can understand why Riot would want to release it on their own terms rather than someone who wasn't directly involved. Joe and Deman deserve a proper goodbye not marred by drama or suspense from a rumor leak.

The value of journalism isn't in scrambling to get your pay cut by leaking announcements before they happen. Preventing Richard from doing this isn't an attack on quality journalism in esports. Journalism is far better served by something like Reflections, where you get insight you wouldn't otherwise have.

Imo, it's equally petty for Richard to release a private e-mail under the title of "how petty Riot can be," just because he was denied his chance to get a cut on leaking someone else's business that was soon to be communicated anyways. The way it was communicated by Riot was very professional, and it's the best way Joe and Leigh could have parted with Riot.

As for Riot taking advantage of someone, reading it again, it's not as dishonest as made out to be. "(Richard) believes he has a head start and can technically post at any time. With that in mind..."

In other words, Richard put Riot in the position of "I might leak at any time if you don't give me information now, and I won't look like the bad guy either way." Whatever "guarantee" Riot had from Richard that he would hold off, it sounds like it came with some other stipulations that we'll never know.

Given how professional the actual announcement was done, I think it's the best way Joe and Deman could have parted ways with Riot, and I'm glad it wasn't compromised by some leak that leaves the community in anxious, emotional suspense for a few days before the official announcement.

[–]19degreez 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The only petty thing I see here is the release of this email.

I find it amusing how so many people wholeheartedly believe RL has the "right" to leak the story, but fail to recognise that a journalist only has the "right" to do so is by playing their cards right. That's just how the real world works, and unfortunately you can't throw morals at everything.

[–]kension86 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well, that depends on whether Riot explicitly told Richard that they would not announce the news until after IEM. If Riot did, then Riot broke a verbal agreement, and Richard would then have the right to call Riot out for breaking an agreement.

That's just an "if" though, of course.

That's just how the real world works, and unfortunately you can't throw morals at everything.

Then by the same standard, I would not call what Richard did as "petty".

[–]konjo78 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (88子コメント)

How come no one is saying that riot msy not find Richard Lewis a trust worthy person? Maybe thry broke the story because of negative experiences with Richard in the past? Based on this twit longer I can imagine why riot wouldn't want him involved.

[–]ThePoison33 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Yeah I felt the same whilst reading it. To me it looks like Riot wanted to do the right thing and announce this themselves, but when they knew Richard had the story they tried to get it out as quickly as possible because they couldn't trust him to wait and why would he?

He has the story, he has no obligations to Riot and if he had any feeling that another journalist also had a lead on this then he'd have broken the agreement to wait until after IEM anyway. At least that's what I'd do when not posting the story first means I don't get money.

EDIT: Also him posting this email on twitter is the only 'petty' thing that ocurred here. Riot were protecting their business interests, that's not petty.

[–]chaser676 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (20子コメント)

People in this thread keep talking about how Riot is ruining their relationship with journalists, but why would any potential leakers (after seeing how he handles getting scooped) reveal anything to Richard now?

People just want somebody to be wrong in this situation, seeing it in black and white is easier than looking at how two parties with separate interests interact with each other. Everything has to have some kind of moral absolute tied to it.

[–]Hunybadgerer 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yea he just outed Leigh (Deman) as his source. So that's definitely going to cause problems with people working with him in the future.

Also why is everyone in this thread acting like Riot posted any information? They didn't, it's only Joe and Leigh's statements so far.

[–]StarVeTL 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How has he done anything that affects how "potential leakers" see him? Additionally I don't really see his source being mad he didn't get the article out before Riot. If I had to take a guess it's probably someone who's somewhat (closely or remotely) involved in the deal, they probably didn't mean to completely embarass Riot or whatever, they just told Richard Lewis about it because either he asked them about it or they wanted to tell him.

I don't think those people rely on the leak happening in any way, that's mostly Richard who is hurt by it because he's missing out on traffic he could've gotten, so that's why he is the one who's angry.

[–]kension86 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

EDIT: Also him posting this email on twitter is the only 'petty' thing that ocurred here. Riot were protecting their business interests, that's not petty.

Well, that depends on whether Riot explicitly told Richard that they would not announce the news until after IEM. If Riot did, then Riot broke a verbal agreement, and Richard would then have the right to call Riot out for breaking an agreement.

That's just an "if" though, of course.

[–]EagerBrad 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (25子コメント)

People are too quick to take Richards' side on anything Riot. I thoroughly believe that this is actually a legit message, and even as a future journalist I absolutely do not begrudge Riot for doing what they have done. Any respectable organisation does not want things leaked. Why on earth should Riot say "Yes, sure Richard, you can release this article before we tell the community."

Of course, you can argue that it is unprofessional of Riot to stop Lewis in this way, but someone whose job is based upon scraping out stories that are not yet meant to be public hardly has a leg to stand on. And, given Richard's track record of exposing stories before the organisations announces them, Riot almost certainly didn't trust him to hold out on the story until after IEM.

[–]prospectre 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Especially after Richard's little temper tantrum a while ago where he insulted a bunch of people for disagreeing with him on Reddit. He went full keyboard warrior for days. I can definitely understand why Riot would think twice before trusting Richard with any kind of information. Seriously, go look at his post history.

[–]chase2020 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He does that in literally every article he posts comments, you just usually don't see them because they are all downvoted to hell. The dude has issues.

[–]prospectre 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why I personally don't like the guy. I have to hand it to him, though. Unsavory as he is, his news is usually spot on.

[–]achalice 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol gl with your future journalism career kid, hope they teach you something in school

[–]D7K 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont know why Riot would want to keep a good relationship with Richard Lewis, its not like hes fair and balanced about them.

[–]rainzer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should he be?

For a billion dollar company, I don't know why this community feels the need to give them so much fucking leeway especially when their direct money grubbing has led to shit that has hurt one of the most popular teams in M5/Gambit, leaves us with a still shitty client, and nothing but excuses on why we can't get some basic features for a competitive game.

Maybe next year, they can afford more than a cloth covered table and 2nd grade arts and crafts envelopes on a wall projector for determining brackets for the largest LoL event.

But hey, you can gift skins after games now dawg.

[–]CrimsonedenLoL 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much this.It's just ridiculous how they get away with the "If it's not broken,don't fix it" attitude.Especially now that their "a company that started small" image is gone.Sure some people will complain,but there will always be others buying the RP and making their revenue.

And just to clarify,my problem is not with what league is today (it's working right?),it just saddens me cause I know what it COULD be if Riot actually decided to patch things up properly.But also knowing Riot,I hope that one day I will wake up and see an official post saying "GOOD MORNING BITCHES.You got a new client!"

[–]Deluxe999 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is understandable he is upset because his income was hurt, but I can't really blame Riot. I wouldn't trust that man one bit either. It is like a papparazzi would be mad if he had story about Obama having an affair and the story was revealed by Obama himself first when he learned someone was going to reveal it soon. It is honestly a battle, you win some and you loose some, and when you reveal your ace to the enemy you are at a disadvantage, so tough luck Richard.

[–]XiaoRCT 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it's not. The paparazzi in this situation didn't have an agreement with Obama about at what time he should release story. Riot didn't react the moment they knew Richard had the story, they lied to him and then intentionally sped up the announcement.

[–]hypershatter 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (16子コメント)

this. people may jump the ship and put down richard lewis but thats just how the industry works. lots of scumbaginess from all sides for their own interests.

edit: on the other hand lets also not be too quick to defend richard lewis either because nobody knows how many times he fked other people over that went unpublished.

[–]helloquain 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's no scumbaginess at all. Richard Lewis showed his cards that he got a leak, and Riot asked him to hold off (which he seemingly agreed to, which is incredibly fucking stupid and just makes him part of the PR machine to begin wtih) and then posted all the same. Lewis learned a valuable lesson about Riot not having his best interests at heart.

[–]hypershatter 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there is. riot could simply tell richard why he should wait instead of giving him false hope of a comment after IEM but secretly breaking the news early in order to cockblock him. but yes richard should have never trusted riot in the first place

[–]prospectre 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Tinfoil hat time. Remember a few weeks ago when there was that Twitch chat log posted where Richard mentioned that Riot is trying to quash journalists? I smell a ridiculous conspiracy here...

[–]Pheonixi3 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i would really call it a conspiracy. isn't it the norm to not want your shit leaked?

[–]lolSpectator[MonteCristo] (NA) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because leaving a job to work for another org is a sensitive topic

Its a dick move to report on something like that without the other people making their own statement first

[–]gnufoot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

While it is true his income was hurt by this, I have a hard time feeling sorry for him. The job of a journalist is to provide news, and I honestly have little positive thoughts towards snooping around to try and find out information before it is supposed to be public. It doesn't follow any kind of (decent) moral code.

If reading his story has no value after the news is already made public, then his job in providing news is basically worthless. All he's doing is spying around trying to get ins and releasing news that teams, companies, or people simply don't want released yet.

I know that this has become (or maybe always has been) kind of a standard in journalism, but it isn't one that should be supported. If you want to do a job that relies on you being an asshole to people's privacy then you should accept the consequences of that. Seriously, who is the petty one, releasing this email?

[–]TyraCross 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Instead of looking at this specific incident, let's look at why it is valuable to have 3rd party reporting on news that will become PR eventually.

How the story is told is value in itself. Riot can actually make the whole situation a whole lot better sounding by making it into a PR (which in itself is the purpose of PR).

Having 3rd party reporting meaning there will be other sources and perspective involved. Also, who release the news first make a difference in impression as well.

Richard is no saint, but Riot really pull a trick that really impacted my opinion in them. Honestly, Richard can make this into a story in itself, but he didn't, because this is personal (or he just didn't think about it). If that is indeed the case, I can applaud to his professionalism (I am giving him a benefit of a doubt)

[–]laxrulz777[Seminole Sun] (NA) 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really don't see the problem here. Everyone wants to control the news cycle to benefit themselves the most. As soon as Richard reached out to Riot and didn't get a quote, he was on the clock to wrap his article. You don't defer the news. You write the news.

The proper PROFESSIONAL thing to do was to post it when he was turned down for a quote. Holding off till after IEM was a ludicrous request and a ludicrous thing for Richard to do.

[–]ComradeDoctor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Richard got played by Riot. Next time he'll know better.

[–]Massacrul[Massacrul] (EU-W) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Riot did only 1 mistake - they should release it immediately the moment RL contacted them, instead of asking him to wait and releasing before "agreed" term.

[–]liltonyabc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That destroys any trust between journalists and riot. Nobody would ever ask them for comment in the future.

[–]BusinessCashew 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what happened anyways, though.

[–]Roronoaa -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Someone who actually understands what is going on^

[–]LOLrusty 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

"someone who is siding with your opinion", you mean.

[–]kT_Fail 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except that's not at all what he meant. Sure that blurb is slightly opinionated but for the most part it takes a neutral stance just stating the generalities in journalism. Keep trying to be an arse man, it'll get you far.

[–]TyRoMaTic 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (14子コメント)

[–]xhankhillx[fanfare] (NA) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

richard and deman are good friends so it doesn't surprise me. I'm sure deman wanted to give a heads up to richard why he posted the statement instead of richard thinking deman's being a prick towards him and wanting him to lose income for some reason

[–]AweNestTea 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Edit: Today I learned how gmail works. Thanks for clearing it up!

You sure? It doesn't seem like Deman (real name: Leigh) would refer to himself in the third person here.

I figure "me" in the CC refers to Richard being accidentally included in the email.

[–]ily112 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, this is a transcript of a Gmail. That's how Gmail works, messages to yourself in the display show first names, and refers to the user as 'me'. By omission, since Nicola referred to both Joe and Leigh by name in the email, you can assume she sent the email to both. But since Deman's name isn't shown at the top, the only logical conclusion is that Deman is the logged in user in this case.

[–]jaynay1 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was an e-mail sent to Deman. That's why it refers to him as Leigh.

[–]TyRoMaTic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's likely "me" because that's how the email is labeled when it's sent to him, instead of listing his actual name. Also, the email specifically states that they want Deman and Joe to draft statements. It would be weird to directly refer to Deman if he wasn't apart of the email.

[–]teemohunterr 301 ポイント302 ポイント  (34子コメント)

When I look at the comments, I realize how hard it's for some people to understand English.

 

Richard grudgingly agreed to hold off until after IEM

Riot worked out a deal with him not to release the story until IEM.

With that in mind, we'd like to revert to the original plan of sharing the news tomorrow.

Revert to the original plan: Fuck him and the deal.

 

That's ideally not how you want to work with journalists. It shows that Riot doesn't even feel any remorse breaking an agreement. I can understand Richard's anger since breaking a story is the job of a journalist. Of course Riot has no whatsoever obligation to uphold their word, but from an ethical standpoint it's just bad behavior.

[–]AncientSpark 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (18子コメント)

"but believes he has a head start and can technically post at any time. "

I'd edit your second reversion to "Fuck him and the deal because we're sensing that Richard Lewis isn't going to play fair with the deal in the first place." Which is hard to say why that sense came about, but, assuming that such an intent DID exist, then I wouldn't really blame Riot for just shoving it out there, because RL is "planning on breaking the deal first".

EDIT: Apparently, some people can't read. The point of this post isn't to say Riot is justified, the point is that we don't know the circumstances that led up to the decision to break the deal. Clearly, someone at Riot didn't trust RL to stick to the deal according to the wording. Was it on RL's side? Was it just paranoia? No one knows. Before people start throwing around accusations that RL is either justified or a fool or that Riot has the right to do this or is literally Hitler, people should think more carefully about why these things happen.

[–]damiancrr 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If he was planning on breaking the deal he wouldnt have made it in the first place. There was no gain other then good faith from RL holding off the story.

[–]wix001 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I guess the nature of that relationship is established.

[–]WhoDatCoconut 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's already been established for a while. Richard absolutely despises Riot for whatever reason and has for a while.

[–]Sov90 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (15子コメント)

ITT A lot of people who have absolutely no idea how journalism is supposed to work.

[–]JBrambleBerry 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to reddit asking a party involved in a story for their side is being in bed with a corporation. Gonna go wash my eyes out now.

[–]tambonator 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Not even funny how many people in this thread don't even understand the situation ...

[–]monwidadan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand. I just don't care.

[–]BusinessCashew 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (27子コメント)

And yet people get upset and whine when he doesn't ask organizations for a comment he knows they won't give. Regardless of if what Riot did was wrong or not, no journalist should ever ask them for a comment on breaking news ever again. They can't be trusted.

[–]AWPtimusPrime 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is very much the case. Organisations need to start making sure their private information stays private if they don't wish for it to end up in the public domain instead of whining about what is professional (in other cases).

Obviously it makes sense that Riot want to post their own announcements but if a journalist gets hold of the information there is absolutely no reason to not post it.

Shady dealings are unfortunately a large part of the esports industry.

[–]chaser676 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really shady, it's how journalism works.

Agreeing to hold off on publication was kind of stupid.

[–]Tyrannoscoreus 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm a journalist, so by default I'm on that side of things, but what you're saying is ridiculous:

We have NO IDEA what kind of deal Riot made with Lewis, if any. All this email says is that he's agreed to maybe not publish until after IEM...although he says he can run the story at any time. From that phrasing, I'm guessing that there was no specific deal worked out at all. Probably Riot asked him to hold off on the story if possible, and he said OK.

Then Riot had Deman and Joe Miller release the news themselves first. Not the nicest thing to do from Lewis's point of view, but we have no evidence that Riot promised not to do that. And from a PR perspective, it's exactly what they should do so that the story comes out with the proper positive tone (hooray, we're promoted/new opportunities) and not something else (EU LCS is fucked).

Sucks for Lewis, but he had the story confirmed (apparently) and chose not to run it. If Riot promised him they wouldnt break it first, then yeah, that's a dick move...but this email doesn't say they did that.

[–]kelustu 697 ポイント698 ポイント  (252子コメント)

Yeah...Riots right. They should be able to post their own threads about their careers. Richard acts like he has a moral authority to break every story, but some stories should be released by the people they involve.

[–]BusinessCashew 271 ポイント272 ポイント  (67子コメント)

Richard acts like if he's going to ask Riot for a statement he expects they'll give him the common courtesy of not misleading him to delay his story so they can sneak out a release first.

[–]lepp240 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Thats the world of journalism. Richard took a risk asking for a statement on a story that he wasn't supposed to have. He revealed that he knew about it and the other party jumped first. This isn't a black and white world. Richard isn't a shining of example of journalistic integrity himself...

[–]BusinessCashew 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (38子コメント)

The thing is, asking an organization for a statement should not be a risk. When you ask an organization for a statement and they pretend to cooperate with you, you assume that they're going to let you write your fucking story and not try to one up you. That's that whole "journalistic integrity" thing everyone talks about. You give every side an opportunity to tell their story.

If you want Richard to avoid asking organizations for statements, you can't criticize his journalistic integrity because you're asking him to do something that goes against that. I agree with you that he shouldn't ask Riot for statements if this is how they're going to handle it, but that's because of their lack of integrity, not his.

[–]lepp240 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (23子コメント)

The thing is you have two competing interests here. Richard has his interest in releasing the story first and riot wants the story released in a certain way. This is not a black and white situation. Riot has a leak in their org that is feeding him info. So when he reveals this weak link they jump him and release it first. I see nothing wrong with what anyone did.

And no, if he is getting secret info from inside riot he should jump on it and release it without a statement. Asking for a statement just gives them the chance to jump him. This is very normal stuff for journalists to deal with.

[–]ily112 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (15子コメント)

That's understandable, if either they learned of Richard Lewis about to post the story through some other source, or if they didn't come to an agreement with him

If he had reached out for a comment, and they couldn't come to an agreement on when he would break the story, then Riot would be completely in the right in releasing the information as quickly as possible, as would Richard. If Riot somehow got it out quicker, then Richard would have nothing to complain about.

But that's not what happened. Richard did the responsible thing, reached out for a comment, and they came to an AGREEMENT that Richard wouldn't break the story until after IEM, which is in over 2 weeks.

Then Riot betrays the spirit of their agreement and breaks the story today. Do you think, anywhere in their conversation, Riot said "Can you wait until after IEM to release the story? We'll release the story tomorrow though", and Richard agreeing to that? There's no point in him releasing the story, 2 weeks after Riot already did it.

Riot essentially guaranteed that any further stories that journalists discover, regardless of how detrimental they might be to Riot as a company, won't be brought to them first for a comment, if they're going to be this disingenuous and conniving. They broke any trust any journalist would have with them. And rightfully so.

[–]EagerBrad 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Oh please. Don't act as if this is a matter of integrity. Richard can't talk in matters pertaining to integrity. His whole job is based upon exposing things before they are posted by the organisations. Essentially what Richard did was go to Riot and say "Hey, I'm going to steal your thunder. Want to give a comment for my article that again shows up that I can find out your secrets?"

[–]melete 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's literally what journalists do. It's part of their job description, and it's not just limited to esports journalism. I read the WSJ, and there's stories every day where some corporate acquisition or management shakeup rumors are reported before any public announcements. No one in their right mind would call the Journal shady for breaking financial news stories.

[–]Captainplankface 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't seem to know what journalism is.

[–]nelly676 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

information is not riots "thunder" to keep. which is why you dont even understand the basic nature of journalism.

[–]GoDyrusGo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're missing his point. Information is for everyone, but in journalism everyone has a self-interest to dispense it. Any moral imperative takes a back seat to these self-interests, which is why trying to insinuate some pretentious standard of integrity in this dealing is laughable. The circle of irony is complete when it's in defense of someone whose job is to sneak around and dig up turncoats in an organization.

I believe that was his point.

[–]woopsifarted 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why would journalistic integrity apply to anyone but a journalist? It doesnt mean journalistic right to do whatever the fuck I want and anyone who stops me from leaking stories cheated.. and lewis doesnt have a "side" in this hes like the peeping tom into the room where the "sides" actually are.

[–]BusinessCashew 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Journalistic integrity doesn't apply to anyone but a journalist, but Richard Lewis was doing the right thing here so you can't bitch at him for not being a shining example of journalistic integrity when we've seen how it can fuck him.

[–]Starslinger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like Richard but having brokenshard and kubs as co-host/gusts is not gonna win you any fans here.... and on top of that of course riot is going to lie they as a company want to make the statement and try and be as sentimental as possible and want the fans to here from them first.

[–]kelustu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

And I'm sure Riot expects that whoever told Richard in the first place shouldn't have been leaking information, as you can tell from the email they had a timeline prepared to announce it.

[–]ScrambledScribbles[CLG Zealous] (EU-W) 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Yeah...Riots right. They should be able to post their own threads about their careers.

That's completely right. But Richard as a journalist has the right to reveal a story or leak whenever he wants.

You know what this means? Next time Richard finds out a leak regarding riot, he isn't going to message them and ask for a statement or refrain from posting the story, he's not gonna give a shit and will just post the story. He's not going to want to listen to any deals, this isn't how you deal with journalists.

Riot is only looking at the short term, they fucked themselves over more than him.

Riot manipulated him into not posting the story and Richard will do his best to make them pay for screwing him over.

You wanna know how you deal with a journalist? Take a leaf out of odees book, odee told Richard that when he finds out who is joining dig, to not leak who is joining as odee will allow Richard to be the first to release the story, im assuming by giving him a statement that he can cite in his article.

[–]Inquatitis 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what this means? Next time Richard finds out a leak regarding riot, he isn't going to message them and ask for a statement or refrain from posting the story, he's not gonna give a shit and will just post the story. He's not going to want to listen to any deals, this isn't how you deal with journalists

And if he does this he'll be given less access to Riot personell (like LCS players) and also less access to ESL staff. Just like it happens in the real world.

[–]chaser676 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Good.

They shouldn't be in bed like that anyways. They have their own separate interests and they should both pursue them to the fullest extent. Working that closely together is stupid, that's not how journalism works. Look at how it worked out now. One party is portrayed as a liers and the other looks like a bickering bitch.

Edit- but seriously, try toning down the verbage a bit. "Reap the consequences for it in due time"? Really?

[–]ScrambledScribbles[CLG Zealous] (EU-W) 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dunno I think there's nothing wrong with asking for comment from am org about a story you're going to post. Remember what happened with curse? Richard didn't ask for a statement, the org then proceeds to complain about not getting asked for a statement...

Haha idk what verbage means exactly but I sorta get what you mean, I was kinda thinking that when I wrote it but just left it in . I'll edit it out for ya but it is true and Richard will do it.

[–]masstronaut 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Verbage isn't a word. He means verbiage. It means being too wordy or using words that are more difficult than necessary. Him being unable to spell that word is obviously hilarious.

[–]aerox1991 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like a basic rule that whenever you're going to break a story that isn't a fluff piece (and even then most of the time it's common courtesy to actually do ask) you ask the party you're writing about for a comment.

[–]htmacc 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This subreddit is beyond delusional. If you think a company, any company, should be able to command journalists to "don't publish this", you are retarded.

[–]DhalsimHibiki 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Command? Looks to me like Riot asked him and he responded in a way that made them think he might still break the story. At least I assume he could have broken the story with the only consequence being a bad relationship with riot.

[–]Pewpewpwnj00 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (83子コメント)

It's not about moral authority. It's open open-media and journalism in Esports. Keep the information hush-hush and then you'll be the first to release it.

I can't wait for people to get off their knees and remove their faces from Riot's asshole for a minute so we can make this like a professional sport.

Edit: I'm not suggesting LOL is a sport. I was suggesting that it should be structured like a professional sport.

[–]Davaek 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (16子コメント)

In a real sport Riot's stance is what would happen. You're crazy if you think writers are gonna be the one 'breaking' things from a team announcement.

[–]elephantsnevaforget 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's trade rumour speculations ALL the time in all sports. They're the ones who usually break possible deals and trades. In fact, some reporters have even ruined some deals becuase it got leaked to the public and the public had a negative backlash to that possible trade. This caused the GM to backoff and not sign off on the trade.

Obviously it's not official until the NBA, NHL, NFL, etc. approve the trade but for the most part. Alot of signings and trades are first broken from reporters and their sources.

[–]Artravus 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That shit happens all the time. You don't follow sports closely at all if you think it doesn't.

[–]Numyza 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What transfer speculation and news happens all the time. Most of the time we know who's going where before it even happens in football. What "real sports" are you watching?

[–]Deathc0de 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

There is a difference between speculation and announcement.

If I was leaving a well known position in a company to join another, I wouldn't want someone like Richard Lewis leaking it out before I had chance to explain it properly in my own words, not his.

Richard Lewis is only really interested in how things affect him and what he can gain. It's pretty evident from the incredibly petty Twitlonger post.

[–]Pewpewpwnj00 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Information leaks and transfer/trade rumours happen all the time in sports. Usually the information comes from somewhere.

Actually, from a factual perspective, player leaks have been an ongoing thing in LOL. It's especially easy as people play the game on public servers.

[–]mki401 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're crazy if you think writers are gonna be the one 'breaking' things from a team announcement.

Are you serious? Do you follow the off-season of any sports? There are literally hundreds of journalists and pseudo-journalists attempting to break a story before it's official. You could not be more wrong here lol.

[–]RSTowers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, this happens all the time in real sports dude. What planet are you living on? And is that being upvoted?

[–]Banglayna 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you serious? Trades, signings, and any other news about a sports teams get broken by journalists before the official team announcements all the time.

[–]kelustu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Managers leaving teams is often announced by the teams. In the political world, tons of things are announced by official offices. Not every single story should be leaked.

[–]Pewpewpwnj00 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Not every single story should be leaked.

Not every story CAN be leaked. If those teams keep information hush-hush then good for them. If they don't, then journalists have every right to release that information. It's called free-speech.

[–]JebusChrysler[Etwahl] (NA) 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I much preferred Deman and Joe posting their own statements rather than Richard just randomly leaking it.

[–]Kargal 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they would have done this even if richard leaked it

[–]Pewpewpwnj00 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think it's awesome that Deman and Joe posted their own statements, that was never my argument.

I'm simply saying that if a journalist finds out about something, he has every right to leak that information. It's free speech.

Even if it's leaked, Deman and Joe still would have made their own statements, you just would have known the basic facts a bit earlier.

[–]SummonerShiva 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If this is true why not straight up tell the man that? Why MANIPULATE him into holding off til after IEM then Riot releases info before IEM to intentionally screw him over? I swear people just defend riot without even thinking this is insane.

[–]KickItNext[Rockless Lobster] (NA) 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if they had said "we want deman and Joe miller to release their statements first" he would've said "but my viewers" and ran his story.

[–]Honest_T 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they have literally nothing to guarantee that he would wait or even be the only one to find out. A lack of trust, some would call it. So now, after not trusting him, he has more of a reason to not trust them. Whoopdie do.

[–]kelustu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because he probably would have just run the story.

[–]Kal-Jobi 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well that was stupid, now Richard is never going to agree on holding any news/information that he may have.

Looks like he made a step toward a good relation with Riot and got slap in the face. But he's an intelligent man, I don't think he will make the same mistake again.

[–]wankstainjones 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (36子コメント)

This could just be a genuine attempt to let a colleague have the last word on their careers with Riot.

[–]chaser676 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (22子コメント)

God forbid that.

Sorry for urgency, but we really don't want Richard Lewis breaking news we should be telling the community ourselves.

It looks like they just took some shitty actions to achieve a good thing. I honestly can't be bothered to get worked up over this. They both had their own interests to look after, and people just naturally gravitate towards the journalist over the company in these types of situations (even though both are financially motivated).

[–]agonizingrampallian 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (19子コメント)

No, i have to side with Riot on this.

Just based on the past actions of Richard Lewis and how hes always whining and complaining about Riot not giving him various opportunites...

Which i just find appalling in nature. LOL

[–]Epamynondas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

when has richard complained about not getting opportunities from Riot? I know he's critisized their way of doing business and controlling the scene, but thats not the same

[–]irish23 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It seems Deman didn't see it the same way as it looks as if he was the one who leaked the email to Richard.

[–]voxelated 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Certainly it's within his rights to complain, but his posts always come off like a passive-aggressive teenager's myspace post.

[–]MrOdekuun 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, even if I can see where he's coming from, calling the other party 'petty' in the very first line of your equally petty post is not great presentation.

[–]Rakzul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Richard too good at his job.

[–]wumikomiko 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (12子コメント)

And the Riot PR department is just doing their jobs. Not sure why anyone should get mad. It's their job to control news cycles and public relations.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bad move imo, from now on i doubt he will ever think twice before break any news.

[–]Noob3rt[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a huge story for Richard to have the information about, however, I think that Riot deserved to say their goodbyes to these two amazing casters in their own way and without pressure (if there was any). I love both parties involved but these are just my thoughts.

[–]WongHoMing 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't Richard Lewis the petty one? What's wrong with a company wanting to release their own news rather than having someone else break the news for them. Especially since you don't know what Richard Lewis would say since he is obviously salty and holding a grudge against Riot.

[–]CertusAT 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing is wrong with that. Riot wants to release news so they can give it the correct PR spin, Richard wants to break news because of page hits.

The thing that makes this situation scummy is that Richard asked Riot for a comment and Riot asked him to hold off on the story until after IEM, he agreed grudgingly to it (probably to generate some good will with Riot)

After this deal was struck Riot decided to screw the deal with Richard and break the news them selfs. They basically lied to him with the full intent to break the deal from the start. If that isn't scummy I don't know what.

[–]NatMz[Jirachi] (OCE) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it may be that way but it might also not be that way. We don't know the actual deal they made.

[–]Vasterole[Vasterole] (EU-W) 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (62子コメント)

This guy is taking himself way too important, I actually prefer Joe and Deman posting their own statements.

[–]Mcslapchop[McSlapChop] (NA) 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Not really, it's his job to break news, and to be the first person to break the news is always the best for your income, assuming it is factual.

[–]ThePhantomguy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I seem to understand from this post so far that Richard wanted to be the one to announce some information on Deman leaving Riot? And Richard was told to hold off on announcing it by Riot, and Riot goes ahead and announces it themselves. Now Richard is angered by this and calls them petty. If that's whats going on here then it makes sense for him to be mad. However, it's not as if it's his right to announce it and no one else's. I think of it in my head as a news reporter wanting to be the one to announce a celeberity's death. However the family wishes him to hold off on it. The reporter holds off, but then the family announces it. The reporter is then angered by this feeling of betrayal. I'm not definitely sure if this is appropriate to compare to this, but I'm trying to say that it's not only his bussiness to report on the retirement of Riot's casters. Of course he's a journalist and this is big news. Being the one to announce this would be great for him, but it's not as if he's the one most entitled to announcing it. Riot should be the one most entitled to talking about one of their employees retiring/leaving. If they want to be the one to announce it, he should let them, and not post some angry tweet calling them petty for wanting to announce what's especially their bussiness to announce.

[–]TheGuardian8 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yay! More esports drama. Just what this sub needs...

[–]TheFirestealer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Getting tired of him always bitching about how riot is some evil company and shit and that they are going to put him on the streets or some shit.

[–]grimeguy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (16子コメント)

"i see nothing wrong with lying and being a general scumbag in order to create a monopoly on information" - reddit, 2014

[–]M_Zoon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well if they went any other way about it he would have leaked their info. I don't blame him but it would be pretty unfair to put it the way you did.

The other thing is I simply can't believe he was really that courteous with Riot. Some organizations requested his cooperation and he simply disregarded them and leaked their info. So I don't get why would he be courteous with Riot (he always goes out of his way to diss them).

[–]Hongxiquan 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well now, that's kind of shitty and now it means Richard has his gloves off for future leaks. Uh, was this a good idea, any Rioters want to comment on that?

[–]harper2398y 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

he also risks being restricted with who he has access to interview or get comments from if he starts a feud over petty shit

[–]Hongxiquan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its also Riot's next logical step to take if they want to control content.

If I was an asshole I would use this situation (if it blew up) to put out some kind of Riot statement saying we're only going through "select outlets" with information going forwards. Dollars to doughnuts something is going to happen then either they'll go dark or put out some kind of statement like that.

Then some Rioter will talk about Ao Shin or some new character and deflect the narrative away from the whole situation and people's internet level attention span will forget the situation.

[–]McJeaves 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry for urgency, but we really don't want Richard Lewis breaking news we should be telling the community ourselves. shits pretty fucked up

[–]Deutschbury 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How? Any PR department wants to release shit before a third party. They're competitors

[–]Sufficks 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL how petty Richard Lewis can be

[–]Sh4ddow 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe its because I'm not interested in that journalism whatsoever but I'm happy it went the way it did, imo it's better to learn it from them directly.

[–]AllenKramer 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Just how petty Riot can be" I've never liked Richard's attitude and he just gets more annoying all the time. Riot throws him so much info and League provides him with a lot of content to cover, but just once they do something shitty and they're automatically this big petty entity that's just lurking in the shadows waiting to slight people.

[–]Zandari 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People in this thread think the sun shines out of Riots arse, its unreal

[–]ahundredpercentbutts 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this situation no one is right and no one is wrong

Two parties both trying to look out for their own interests

This happens everywhere all the time

[–]zSplit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

as a fellow journalist: wow. dick move, RIOT.

[–]Ledge_It 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dick move Riot. I am not impressed.

[–]Jushak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest... Fuck Richard Lewis and his overbloated ego. Serves him right.

[–]Mionee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

tl;dr: i lost some revenue by being unable to leak a story before the guys involved were able to reveal it themselves, boo fucking hoo

[–]maeschder 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you people seriously think him breaking the story would have had a negative impact on it? Or that nobody would have cared about Joe/Demans statements after the fact?
Stop whiteknighting PR departments.

[–]CounterLogicCarl -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Ok I see nothing wrong with what Riot did. They wanted to break the news first because it is in the best interest of their company because they can word it the way they want and do whatever instead of not having that ability with someone like Richard writing it.

[–]Odinsama 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The problem is that they mislead Richard to not publish until after IEM under the pretense that he would get to be the first to publish and then went behind his back to post it themselves first. On one hand people (and possibly Riot) will complain if Richard publish without asking Riot for comment, but on the other hand Riot will lie in order to screw Richard over if he does ask for a comment. Must be very frustrating indeed

[–]Gammaran 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the problem is Riot playing along like he will be able to release it, so sneak the release before it was meant to be. Richard tried to work a way were both parties could profit, but Riot pulled a dick move on him

[–]Rwings 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Put it simply Riot burned a bridge with Richard and every single journalist covering their game without a current relationship with them. For a short sided win.

They got this ONE story out how they would like, but from now until the game becomes irrelevant not a single journalist will ever trust Riot again with their word. Riot has now lost creditably with journalist and with that the ability to control the narrative in any way with future stories. Which in truth is good for us but really bad for them.

[–]mfg_colour[MFG Colour] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you're involved you should know about it faster than a 3rd party, the 3rd party shouldn't have to wait

[–]SummonerShiva 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (29子コメント)

This is about journalistic integrity not just manipulating people who do tons of research not to release info before they themselves do. Riot has done things like this time and time again to keep down journalists because they want a monopoly and their hands in EVERYTHING.

They act like a god damn dictatorship

[–]Berfanz 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, how dare a corporation have a PR department that wants to control how news comes out.

I love Richard's work, but everyone on the planet would expect a company to want to release this sorry of information themselves, rather than have it come via a leak.

[–]photofluid 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But most people of the planet will not expect the company to ask you to delay your report to them a favor and than go back and release themselves.

[–]HatefulWretch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you have to admit when you've lost – which here, they had. Richard Lewis tried to co-operate and Riot refused.

Shady? Not in a legal sense. A desperately short-termist move? Definitely.

[–]lepp240 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait a company wants to try to control their public image? THEY MUST BE HITLER!

Every single large company does this, its the way the world works. The press wants to print stories first, the companies want to control how the stories are released. There is nothing out of the normal going on here.

[–]Reshir 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Every company does this. It's PR. Sometimes it gets publicized, sometimes it doesn't.

[–]SummonerShiva 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Do you not realize they asked RL to hold off on releasing this info til AFTER IEM only so they could release it before IEM and completely screw him over?

People seem to be overlooking how shady that is from a huge company like Riot

[–]JigWig[JiggalyWiggaly] (NA) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As he said, everycompany does this. It's PR.

[–]Reshir 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You seem to be taking this very personally.

Riot being shady? What about Ford not fixing the Pinto design because it would cost less money to pay families after their cars exploded? Every company will do shady things. It's business.

This is business. And regardless of which side you take, both are being unprofessional. Deman for leaking the email, and Richard Lewis for making a bitch post about it.

[–]RatodaSelva 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RL got stepped over, and shared, so people can see that. He got what he wanted, people taking his side. And i'm on his side, pretty stupid from riot to try screw a journalist who was trying to build a good relationship with them. Now he's just gonna leak any information he has in the future

[–]VindicatorTemplar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, not every company hashes out a deal with a journalist and then breaks that deal a couple of days later.

[–]JeffZoR1337 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck get over it. Move on with your lives, everyone.

[–]kast007 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Short and simple for the people that don't seem to understand what the point is here.

Its not about who breaks the news first. Its about Riot making some sort of agreement with Richard with the intentions of trashing that agreement.

That's why the word "petty" is being used here. And it is.

They deliberately choose the low road and essentially lied to him. They had the opportunity to tell him "No, we don't want you breaking the news because we'd like to announce this as a company and employees." Totally understandable.

Instead they said "Sure, but hold off till IEM. (But really fuck you, this agreement means shit all. Cry me a river)"

Why they choose to lie is a massive issue here....

[–]minos157 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't view this as petty at all, it's Riot wanting to break the news first and feeling that Richard would leak it before the agreed date/deal.

I don't see this exchange/deal as petty or abnormal from either party. I do however see leaking this email as extremely petty. It's like saying, "I didn't get my way so I'm going to poop in your cheerios."

He knows full well that Reddit circle jerks hard over anti-riot things and he is using that to gain support. This is Thoorin 101.

[–]cameronabab[therealfatshady] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So his own ego makes him believe he has the rights to any story ever?

[–]zergtrash 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He should've just posted it first. He doesn't work for Riot, fuck them.

[–]spyson 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

In the same vein Richard Lewis doesn't work for Riot so why should they care about him? Fuck him.

[–]ShadowSpiked -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Perhaps shit like this is part of the reason why Joe and Deman decided to leave in the first place. Recognizing that Riot is, at times, a really shitty company.

[–]FlameOfWar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Richard respected Riot's view: "agreed to hold off until after IEM". That is the original plan Riot referred to.

Riot broke Richard's trust by taking advantage of him, even though he agreed to release his story when they wanted. But Riot chose to backstab Richard, releasing it first. How do you think that makes him feel, what do you think that does to the future of their relationship?

Clearly Riot messed up.

[–]vranasm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

show no mercy Richard next time... actually it's your job as an journalist to NOT care about such badmouthed company as Riot turns into.

[–]Trillimanjaro 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The cool thing about this post is we learn how petty Richard is as well.

[–]LE_HERP_LE_DERP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Richard Lewis crying about something? Color me surprised! /s

[–]WssDrBlue 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how is this petty? Isnt it understandable that a company wants to announce staff changes themselves?

[–]Clemenx00 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't get the issue. Why didn't he post it then? Wasn't he sure about his source.

Him are Riot PR are competing agasint each other as 2 parties in the same indursty compete. I don't get the issue.

[–]JBrambleBerry 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was providing professional courtesy by letting Riot know and asking for any comments. They took that gesture and used it to one-up him, hence why he's upset.