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Protesters vow to disrupt downtown Seattle tree-lighting (komonews.com)

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[–]Drunky_Brewster -30 ポイント-29 ポイント  (35子コメント)

If you bothered to listen to the protesters you would hear the names of the people killed in Washington state and you would see the faces of residents of this state on their poster boards and flyers. If all you know about the protesters is what you hear on KOMO then you are ignorant to the issue.

ETA: it's a shame that the actual truth gets down votes in this thread and rhetoric like "how dare they disrupt our shopping?!!" is at the top. If that is the consensus of this sub then I'm happy to be down voted as I believe in our rights and in democracy over buying shit my kids don't need.

[–]adammmmmm 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Its still disrupting something completely unrelated to the issue. Its like being mad about someone spilling your milk so you go and dump out a different persons orange juice. Its not solving problems just making more.

[–]Drunky_Brewster 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Westlake Center is a public space and as such it is host to many things.

[–]42ndAve 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't say.

It's as if protests are just giant symbolic gestures, rather than organized task forces.

[–]sjn123Maple Leaf 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (14子コメント)

The point isn't to stop the tree lighting and ruin someone else's "orange juice." Protesters need visibility. Whether you agree or disagree, it actually makes sense that they would pick this event. Many people will be there. It will get people people talking about it and put them in the media. Yes, it sucks and it causes problems, but inconveniences to everyday life is what shakes people from their routines and gets them to think and talk about issues such as this. They want the conversation to keep going. It's fortunate that we are able to exercise our right to protest in this country.

[–]BluurCapitol Hill 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

But you're not getting people on your side when you disrupt holidays, stuff like this just pisses off everyone.

IF you wanted to congregate outside of say, a news station, or disrupt a police hearing, that's different from just pointing at something going on and showing up and yelling.

[–]sjn123Maple Leaf 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I completely agree, but at the end of the day, publicity is publicity. Sometimes polarization has an even stronger effect. Also, this is going to be more in my face. I can ignore police hearings. This involves the whole community.

[–]williafx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I don't think a protest has ever pissed me off. I actually really like it when people care enough about something to actually go out and protest. Even if I disagree with the protestors' points, it's refreshing to see people that aren't completely fucking apathetic about everything ( like me).

[–]brickabrackFremont 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Black Friday is a holiday?

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    [–]nexted 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You forgot to delete this one.

    [–]stanfan114 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah their are going to need a new poster child other than some felonious shitbag before I take them seriously.

    [–]radlikemydad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TIL petty theft is a felony.

    [–]lunartunes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Its about getting the media involved.

    [–]konrad9West Seattle 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's what Occupy Wallstreet thought until the media and general population realized that they had no real message.

    [–]SovietJugernautHarrison & Denny-Blaine 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The problem with Occupy Wallstreet wasn't that they didn't have a message--they clearly did, and lots of them (e.g., the banking system is broken, financial executives should be held accountable for their actions and greed, the United States is financially inequitable, no bailouts to banks, etc.)

    The problem was that they didn't have a unified, cohesive message or a clear call to action. Lots of noise without unity, which doesn't lead anywhere productive.

    [–]nucklenix 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So, here's my problem with the protests.

    1. How many of the protesters vote? If you care enough to disrupt the "status quo" of everyone else, every one of them should be voting. I guarantee they aren't all voting. Some yes, but not all. So, this protest really comes down to bitching. They're not making suggestions to improve the system, they're not voting to change the system, and yet they're saying they want justice. Guess what, justice was served with the current system. If you don't like it, you need to change it. Vote!

    2. All the names and faces of people killed by police officers, how many of them on the signs and chants are white? This is a legitimate question because I don't know, but this whole situation has been blown up to be about race when police shootings are rampant across all races. There is also a big problem, to me at least, with the militarization of our police forces. It's almost become an occupation force by the US government of the United States.

    3. They're out there chanting and protesting that they want justice, while committing crimes and endangering innocent people. Does their cry for justice apply to them as well? I guess many of them should be arrested for disrupting traffic, endangering drivers, trespassing, etc. Or maybe it's a selective cry for justice.

    4. Michael Brown wasn't innocent. Did he deserve to die? I don't know, I wasn't there, I didn't see it. It is undeniable though that he was out that night committing crimes. So, even if he hadn't been killed, he would be in jail. This is the person that you've chosen as the symbol for your protest? Why not an actual innocent person who was shot by police, as has happened repeatedly? How about the homeless man who was shot and killed by police in New Mexico just for camping in the desert?

    Feel free to downvote away if you want, but I really hope these things are considered by the protesters. THINK about what and why you're doing something. I'm not saying the protesters are wrong, I just don't think they've thought through a lot of their actions and options.