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[–]pizzgoat 184 ポイント185 ポイント  (19子コメント)

"I've never seen a crueler moment in Counter-Strike."

-Fifflaren

[–]nicoacademia 94 ポイント95 ポイント  (9子コメント)

and fiff was holding back so many words

kept stopping to think through what he would let out of his mouth

[–]Jurmankukkeli 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could see the anger haha

[–]220racer 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It looked like he was ready to explode. He seemed to struggle so hard to not say what was really on his mind and ended up talking slowly to filter his words. Same goes for the person interviewing devilwalk after the game.

[–]danibooii [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

As a swedish person who's spent some time in the US. It's REALLY hard to speak english while being mad. If that was me I wouldn't be able to talk at all. Fifflaren kept it professional.

[–]CIash 1435 ポイント1436 ポイント  (202子コメント)

They didn't find the boosts themselves; they saw a video uploaded and then asked the uploader to remove the video so that they could exclusively use it / it doesn't get patched.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2nosf5/fnatics_overpass_boost_vs_ldlc_dhw2014/cmfgmco

[–]observationalhumourMaster Guardian Elite 478 ポイント479 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Oh shit. Even dirtier. Fuck them.

[–]blithephSilver IV 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Exactly. They're already on thin ice because of all the cheating allegations on not 1, but 2 players and they go ahead and pull this crap. Holding the clear exploit for 2 months when Valve was asking for map feedback AND asking the uploader of the video to take it down? I mean holy crap, how scummier can you get.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

well you could be the DHAdmins and let this slide...

[–]JGStonedRaider [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

As a betting man to lose a bet to the other team playing better I am fine with. To lose to exploiters (bearing in mind you don't get your skins back) this makes my blood boil

[–]Br0z1llaLegendary Eagle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHAHAH <3

[–]Aesyn 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (12子コメント)

And thinking that they must have offered something to the uploader, it goes beyond bad sportsmanship.

IMO this is even worse than cheating.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

% of winnings?

[–]mrcrazy_monkeyDistinguished Master Guardian 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably just some skins or sponsor gear I imagine.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

could be

[–]relmfu [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

It gets even dirtier when you start to think how Cobblestone and Overpass are supposed to be designed.

The pros are supposed to give input to Valve.

Fuck Fnatic.

[–]hashyakadaveMaster Guardian I 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have NEVER hated an eSports team until now. Fuck Fnatic.

[–]jferdogDistinguished Master Guardian 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (35子コメント)

That actually pisses me off more. The original maker of that video should have left it up.

[–]AusrufepunktMaster Guardian Elite 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (25子コメント)

First we need proof if Fnatic asked him.

[–]sluukkonen 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (22子コメント)

The uploader (or so he claims) said this in the other thread.

[–]AusrufepunktMaster Guardian Elite 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yes, but who is he?
He could be talking out of his ass for all we know.

I can go around and say my dad works at Nintendo and that there is a Pokemon MMO coming out, would you believe that?

[–]HideAndSeek_Legendary Eagle Master 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Quote by Nintendo employee:

there is a Pokemon MMO coming out

HYPE HYPE HYPE

SPREAD THE WORD

[–]MiddlingPenguinDistinguished Master Guardian 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

THE SILVER FUCKING LINING

I KNEW SOMETHING GOOD WOULD COME OUT OF LDLC BEING CHEATED OUT OF A WIN

SILVER

FUCKING

LINING

[–]youngminii 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

NEW POKEMON MMO?

THAT'S MORE LIKE DIAMOND BRICKS

DIAMOND

FUCKING

BRICKS

[–]DadFoundMyAccountMaster Guardian Elite 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (15子コメント)

H-jacking top comment to post this since mods want it on the main disscusion: There are currently 2 posts about csgo on /r/all about the Fnatic game so I will sum up what has happened.

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is a competive first person shooter. There are 4 major tournaments each year with a prize pool of $250k each time. One of these events called Dreamhack Winter is going on right now. One of the quarterfinal matches was between a team named Fnatic, and LDLC. These teams have been recently called the best teams in the world, but Fnatic has been involved with a lot of controcersy lately. Many of their players have been called hackers, but nothing has been proven

In the game that just happened Fnatic was losing by a huge margin (3-13). The fnatic players used a "boost" to get to a portion of the map that they would not normalyy be able to go. A boost spot is a spot that players access by jumping on a teammates head. These types of spots are normally legal, and encouraged, but this specific boost gave Fnatic a view of the entire map, and easily won them the game. Many players are calling this very scummy.

Here are some key points about the boost:

  • Fnatic has known about this boost for two months and didn't tell anyone.

  • The boost may have been an example of "pixel walking" which is is not allowed in the tournament.

  • Apparently the team asked a reddit user to remove a video demonstrating this spot several days ago so other teams didn't see it.

  • Here is a screen shot of the boost: http://i.imgur.com/AFVdPGT.jpg

Please feel free to add anything and I will add it to the main post

[–]trav3ler 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (22子コメント)

This needs to be higher.

[–]bigcityken 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (21子コメント)

They requested it to be taken down to use for their own gain and to keep it a secret? Seriously, fuck those scumbags. Greedy children who don't want to play fair. Hope they can sleep well at night.

Edit: Notice the "?". Whether this is true or not doesn't negate the fact that these guys admittedly knew about this exploit for 2 months and kept it secret to pull out specifically for this event. Unsportsmanlike to say the least.

[–]RaqnGold Nova III 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know if they weren't forced to do it on this map, they would have had it ready for the final map.

I feel so bad for LDLC right now. They must have practiced so hard to beat Fnatic, apart from on Cache it was clearly paying off, then this happened.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Imagine if they had won, without cheating, and they pulled this in the finals. The bad sportmanship is real.

[–]RaqnGold Nova III 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really was rooting for Fnatic in a way because I personally felt they were getting too much shit from the community for the cheating accusations, but as soon as I saw that first scout kill my heart sank. LDLC just had no fucking clue what was happening.

[–]JJNeary 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

wow, that changes everything, suddenly im not so happy that fnatic put the effort in, they clearly didn't deserve this.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree i wanted fnatic to win but after that show, nope. LDLC back please they deserve this one

[–]SF218 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's clear that Fnatic was pixelwalking, but I want proof of /u/Blotecsgo 's claim. There's more than enough proof to chastise Fnatic without having to resort to hearsay.

[–]xpfrt 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So fucking scummy.

[–]The_RukeGold Nova Master 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

So essentially they bought hacks exploits.

[–]Bartisaur 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (6子コメント)

A few links for those who want to catch up on the illegal boost Fnatic used.

Screenshots

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3jW0PMCUAEJ5yj.jpg:large (Hammer screenshot showing that it's supposed to be a straight wall)

http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg (Screenshot taken during the game clearly showing that the player isn't standing on a ledge)

http://imgur.com/a/xCao8 (Screenshots taken by a player showing that the boost spot allows the boosted person to see through textures)

http://i.imgur.com/gxoowYL.jpg (Dreamhack rules against pixel-walking)

http://puu.sh/d95Gj/02177b4ba8.jpg http://imgur.com/a/et8o4#0 (Screenshot apparently showing that the boost spot enables the boosted player to see T's spawn)

http://i.imgur.com/14f396W.jpg (Twitter screenshot showing that Fnatic is currently trending... for all the wrong reasons)

http://imgur.com/a/kjAjq#5 https://imgur.com/a/kCizf http://i.imgur.com/JzUcAOX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IBMtC6b.jpg (More screenshots of the ledge in question linked by /u/nomailforme)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3jk_6lCAAAANLS.jpg:large (Not really sure what kind of sorcery is happening here)

Twitter Links

https://twitter.com/LDLC/status/538415422698455041 (Fnatic's post-game tweet and LDLC's reply)

https://twitter.com/LillRobbaNcsgo/status/538421711067435008 (Dreamhack Admin)

https://twitter.com/slop3/status/538452825404342272 (Dreamhack Admin regarding Navi vs Dignitas' potential 3rd map- Overpass)

https://twitter.com/DreamHack/status/538425572930879489 (Dreamhack Account)

https://twitter.com/DreamHack/status/538457400735309824 (Dreamhack Account)

https://twitter.com/OfficialXizt/status/538410538792148994 (Xizt's)

https://twitter.com/OfficialXizt/status/538414041270874112 (Xizt's)

https://twitter.com/OnFireAnders/status/538414484717834240 (Anders)

https://twitter.com/OnFireAnders/status/538415629871906816 (Anders)

https://twitter.com/OnFireAnders/status/538416118747389952 (Anders)

https://twitter.com/OnFireAnders/status/538447924364341249 (Anders)

https://twitter.com/lurppis_/status/538413189277708289 (Lurppis)

https://twitter.com/f0restCS/status/538412136826155009 (f0rest)

https://twitter.com/f0restCS/status/538421477415350272 (f0rest's tweet about DH's Admins making an announcement after Navi vs Dignitas game)

https://twitter.com/totalbiscuit/status/538427864358879232 (TotalBiscuit)

https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/538430876678623232 (Thorin)

https://twitter.com/LDLC_NBK/status/538453515954573313 (NBK)

https://twitter.com/LDLC_NBK/status/538462402082516992 (NBK)

Reddit Replies

http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2nowkw/discuss_the_fnatic_boost_on_overpass/cmfjhyw (RealReDeYe's thoughts)

http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2nosf5/fnatics_overpass_boost_vs_ldlc_dhw2014/cmfgmco (Fnatic's JW APPARENTLY asking the poster to take down a video of the boost being done in YouTube)

Videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxnP-1__N4&feature=youtu.be (Collage of all the boost kills by /u/NEOGEAR)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCganwY7hkU (2nd time the boost was used, first use resulted in 0 kills since it was still the pistol round)

IRL Pictures

http://imgur.com/a/d8OmX (Admins talking to LDLC)

[–]BackwoodsMarathonDistinguished Master Guardian 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a person who doesn't use twitter, thanks man! Very informative!

[–]TrashCatTMCEVO Player 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (18子コメント)

get ready for the patch coming post DHW

[–]ASR-BriggsDistinguished Master Guardian 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (15子コメント)

They're going to have to patch that overnight, OR put a clause in the rules that you can't use that particular spot tomorrow. If they leave it as is and overpass gets picked during semis or the final, it will just be a shit show.

[–]orbital1337Legendary Eagle Master 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is already a clause in the rules precisely against this kind of boost - it's called pixelwalking and it's forbidden. Hell, someone even proved that there is no ledge there in Hammer and others showed that the player is floating. There is really no doubt about this.

[–]keithfa26ESL Player 387 ポイント388 ポイント  (69子コメント)

Should be a DQ as it is clearly a pixel boost. If not why do Dream Hack even have rules? you cant apply some and leave the others i hope LDLC take this further

[–]-abM-p0sTpWnEdDistinguished Master Guardian 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (23子コメント)

DH needs to realize that if they do not overturn this it will be a black stain on their tournaments going forward. Makes me feel so sick I don't even want to watch any more this weekend (and I've watched every match so far).

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (10子コメント)

same here, even left school a bit early to root for fnatic, after that shit, im done. i can see why fiflaren left... We are turning in to the COD community around here with this stuff

[–]keithfa26ESL Player 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Am i hearing a Fnatic fan say this was wrong?

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

yes

[–]keithfa26ESL Player 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

i like you.

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well its just horrible, LDLC played way way way WAAAYYY better then Fnatic

[–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (1子コメント)

LDLC clearly should have won the match and would have, pixel walking, gg

[–]tsuj 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would lose respect for dreamhack if they just let it go like this, at the very least we need a rematch.

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    [–]ytzy 244 ポイント245 ポイント  (53子コメント)

    http://x3.cdn03.imgwykop.pl/c3201142/comment_TW3YOn7ieodsMDgQTyCH7QdIUdADOSMl.jpg how is that not pixelwalking?

    edit : a friend just posted me this ( and the screen is from an delete post not mine ) -> https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745 "@OnFireAnders @lurppis_ @PaulChaloner It is pixelwalking, theres no ledge in Hammer."

    sorry they knew if for 2 months and they wanted to exploit it instead of fixing the map... dont suport this kind of players .

    edit3: from an other post : http://imgur.com/a/xCao8 you can see through textures...

    [–]samedifference9Silver Elite Master 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is, without a doubt

    [–]_mr0FaceIt Player 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Expect a update to overpass by tomorrow, but really, I might be bias because I bet LDLC (and I'm french) but thats bull(sh*t)

    [–]LinearSimcon 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm Swedish and I agree that it's cheap.

    [–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yes, no doubt volvo is getting on that shit asap now...

    [–]fiszu3000 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    100% pixelwalking, fnatic disqualified

    [–]duffking 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If there isn't at the very least a replay of the second half then it's an absolute disgrace as far as I'm concerned.

    [–]Tp_RojectGold Nova I 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    personaly i see total air space below hes feet, but im no map maker...

    [–]VanSpoof 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If that doesn't show it I don't know what does.

    [–]mazuffer 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Is the Hammer screenshot actually relevant though? In-game it definitely looks like there's a ledge there, are the teams expected to check how the maps are actually designed?

    [–]jescoewhite [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    Thank you this is what I'm saying! If there wasn't supposed to be a ledge there then don't make it look like there is a ledge there..

    [–]GingenMimnesMaster Guardian Elite 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Blatant pixelwalking. This is unacceptable.

    [–]RealReDeYeESL Player 312 ポイント313 ポイント  (93子コメント)

    I've said a lot on Twitter about all of this, but I'll summarise my feelings here.

    1. The first question we have to ask is: Is the boost legal according to the rules. Initially, with limited viewing and a few minutes after, I would say it probably was. After careful examination in the screenshots and in Hammer, it is unquestionably not a ledge that should be used to stand on. In other words, it is pixel walking.

    2. Understand the difficulty of the admins making a split second decision during the game. It's almost impossible to make the call with 100% certainty. That said, it absolutely should be reviewed if the other team have made a complaint and as far as I know, LDLC have made a formal complaint about the second half of Overpass and therefore the boost.

    3. I don't personally blame fnatic for using the boost or hiding it from others before this game, however there are a few things we should consider in all of this. Firstly, they hid this from all of the other teams by asking someone to remove the boost from reddit two months ago. That in itself questions the integrity of the team or the person who asked for that to be removed. The team were also supposedly working with Valve on the new maps and helping improve them. Finding a boost like this would ordinarily have meant telling Valve about it, but I think we also forget that these are top, professional players who want to win above all else. With the money and prestige involved in the game now, it is human nature to push the envelope. I am not condoning foul play, cheating or making use of exploits in the game, but we would all be naive if we thought that every player would share every trick they ever found in the game if it gave them an advantage. With that said, I feel in this case, such a map breaking boost should have been reported, though not for one second do I believe fnatic knowingly broke the rules by using it. Why would they use something so obviously game changing if they didn't believe it was legal? They simply wouldn't have risked being removed from the tournament on that basis.

    4. It's not in the spirit of the game - I absolutely agree with this.

    5. Strictly speaking, if the organiser rules the boost is illegal, they have a difficult decision to make. Either they remove fnatic from the competition and put LDLC through or they make them replay the map (or the second half with the score at 12-3 to LDLC). Removing fnatic may seem like the right thing to do. In the harsh cold light of day, they cheated. But as I said earlier, it's not that simple. Some would say if its pixel walking then fnatic deserve to be kicked out and it's hard to disagree with this. Personally speaking, I'd prefer to see the map restarted at 12-3 on the second half and both teams given the chance to prove who should have gone through regardless of the boost.

    6. fnatic are scumbags for doing this. I absolutely disagree with this. They used something they knew would give them an advantage but they did not believe it was illegal, even if it went against the spirit of the game. The aim, as harsh as this may sound, is to win at all costs within the rules. Spirit doesn't come in to it and we are all naive if we think it does.

    7. It's a lot easier for all of us (rather than the organiser) to make judgement calls with all of the evidence pouring in and when we have the luxury of an hour to look at it all. Given the organisers have said the admins are reviewing the issue, we should be respectful that they too need to take their time in making not only a judgement on the boost, but also the punishment.

    8. Emotions are running high right now as many have lost points on stickers and others have lost a ton of "money" on skins and betting. Some are defenders of their favourite teams (including fnatic) and others are just disappointed at the way the game ended. What needs to happen now though requires zero emotion and a calm decision made that is sensible and reasonable and I think the guys at Dreamhack will do just that.

    Let common sense prevail.

    [–]SakheteuDistinguished Master Guardian 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    While I agree with most of your points, I think there is a difference between holding a boost that's usefull and holding a boost that is absolutely non-intended and completely game breaking. Which in my book makes Fnatic scumbags for doing this, but that's just my opinion.

    [–]pinguinoirDistinguished Master Guardian 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    LDLC have made a formal complaint about the second half of Cache and therefore the boost.

    Overpass :p

    (or the second hal with the score at 13-2 to LDLC)

    If restart should be from 13-3 pistol went to LDLC fair and square

    Another pixel boost by Fnatic https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3jklNhCUAAm9FX.jpg in the same game

    https://giant.gfycat.com/DopeyIndolentIvorygull.webm of the boost Thanks /u/Darmuh

    [–]DarmuhGold Nova Master [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    [–]goldrunoutMaster Guardian Elite 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Fnatic used the boost during the pistol round. It didn't help them, but it was used. I say replay the entire second half. From 12-3 (and not 13-2)

    [–]pinguinoirDistinguished Master Guardian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yeah but I wouldn't remove that round from LDLC just because they used the boost specially when it didnt had an effect on the round is if like LDLC would have won the game they wouldnt replay the game...

    [–]Sulleymon 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This post pretty much sums it up for me but I'm afraid I have to disagree with the scumbag remark. I get it is a competition at the end of the day BUT they betrayed valves trust by withholding a broken boost that was not intentional and a breach of many competition rules. Secondly they simply did not deserve that map win. Brilliant 13-2 half from LDLC and that illegal boost took the wind out of their sails. You could see it in their faces, they were defeated after the timeout. The Dreamhack admins should call for a replay of the second half minus the boost if disqualification is off the table.

    [–]Superfishintights 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    sums up everything perfectly, more or less. the only thing I would say is that the other person in that bombsite would clearly see it's pixel walking, and i find it hard to believe that not once did they ever not make that connection, or feel the need to check if it'd be against the rules. if I found something so game breaking, I'd go out of my way to ensure that if I did use it, there would be no chance I'd be risking breaking the rules and potentially being DQ'd.

    [–]JanEric1Master Guardian Elite [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    starting it at 12/3 (halftiime score) is something i absolutly disagree with. if you would restart the game a some point(which i dont think they should) it should be at 13/3. but in my opinion the only right decision here is to diqualify fnatic completely. just having them replay it and in the end maybe even winning it would just encourage this behaviour or atleast not punish it enough. it would make looking for these op boosts and abusing them a win-win situation for the team. if they dont get caught(banned) they win and if people complain they get a rematch as if they had never done it. if you break the rules you shouldnt get a second chance. period

    [–]twittanMaster Guardian Elite 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Don't they read the rules before hand? I mean, if u read the rules and you know that pixel walking is illegal and you still do it then you actually deserve to get kicked off. And if they don't read the rules as they should do, then it's really their own fault...

    [–]condumitru [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    Emotions aside, pixelwalk or not, the fact that they kept that info from valve devs...that sponsors events with money we provide via stickers (and other) shows a lack of respect we wouldn't like to see at such a level..towards the devs and our money.

    We want to see a skill based game with fair play. I can't blame them for wanting all that money and place in semifinals, but I can express my disappointment towards their lack of fair play and respect...that being said, this will be patched sooner or later, because it is an OP spot and it is bad we discovered it at a major, that's why Valve devs asked for feedback in the 1st place, to make this map major-worthy.

    [–]AndYoureDead 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    [–]dastigMaster Guardian I 504 ポイント505 ポイント  (72子コメント)

    They knew for 2 months, 2 fucking months and didn't tell valve or the map makers. Its a map breaking spot and they didn't tell anyone. I haven't watched CSGO for a few months and to come back and see this its absolutely disgusting.

    [–]puddpuddpuddDistinguished Master Guardian 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (33子コメント)

    And it looks like it actually is a pixel boost (which is illegal). Got this image linked from a buddy which shows the clip brushes in the area http://i.imgur.com/5e2T6l6.jpg. This is clearly not intentional and should be deemed an exploit.

    [–]ASR-BriggsDistinguished Master Guardian 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Holy shit you're dead right. Even according the map maker you're not supposed to be there.

    [–]trollin4viki 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Dont worrie, Swedish admin said its ok, no problemo, Fnatic wins.

    [–]KaraliusDistinguished Master Guardian 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    lets not jump on the admins so fast. I bet admins didn't know there wasn't even an actual ledge in the map-making tool. In-game its a visible ledge. The decision might be made on the spot. The fact that with new information they are reviewing it, shows they are taking it seriously.

    [–]pro_table 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    but if there is a ledge there in game, and you can jump to it and stand on it, then how the hell can it be illegal? Or at least, how can you blame a player for jumping to this visible ledge that you can stand on?

    [–]ztrund1337Gold Nova Master 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Swedish admin lets Swedish team break the rules. If fnatic don't get dq'd or have to replay from 13-3 then i'm done. GG Dreamhack.

    [–]DankPalLegendary Eagle Master 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If Swedish admin doesnt DQ Swedish team for breaking the rules then this Swedish redditor will be very disappointed in a certain Swedish LAN

    [–]zydh 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm in the exact same position. If Fnatic gets away with this, I will lose all respect for DH.

    [–]weseven 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I hope the DH admin reconsider their decision.
    It's not like they found 2 days ago and didn't have time to report/check if it was legal or not, they've been sitting on it for two months.

    To those calling this a legit strategy, it's like considering 0-day exploits legit software features.

    edit: another angle http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg

    [–]DoubleInvertz 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Could you please explain to me what a pixel boost is as opposed to a normal boost?

    [–]solodaninjaMaster Guardian Elite 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    A normal boost is either just standing on a teammate's head, or using his head to jump to a VISIBLE ledge or something. Pixelboosting is when you get on to an INVISIBLE ledge. For instance, this screenshot of the boost in question shows Krimz is standing on an invisible ledge, thus, its pixelboosting.

    [–]PointAndClickDistinguished Master Guardian 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The mapmaker missed a brush, that prevents players from clipping on something sticking out, by a hair. It leaves a small pixel or few pixels to clip onto.

    [–]gmc112Legendary Eagle Master 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They are literally floating in the air. i.e no reason to check there as they can't be standing there if it wasn't bugged

    [–]TrashCatTMCEVO Player 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    very sad to see a gamebreaking boost exploit saved for 2 months by a professional organization to use to their advantage

    [–]Syelor 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Not only to their advantage, but to basically gain more money. Pretty disgusting.

    [–]ahampsterSilver Elite Master 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LDLC literally got robbed

    [–]mwjk13Silver III 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because that's never happened before...

    [–]Madams147Master Guardian II 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If anyone had a shred of respect for Fnatic before this its for sure gone now. Absolutely disgusting use of game mechanics at a major. So grimey

    [–]capplecDistinguished Master Guardian 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Yeah how freely he admitted it was the worst part tbh.

    There was literally nothing LDLC could do, I don't even know how much of olof was visible. Everytime they entered they were dead and they had no idea how far his view spanned.

    Even when they tried looking up and flashing they just couldn't imagine the angle.

    [–]terax120Gold Nova I 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I don't even know how much of olof was visible

    Supposedly it was literally just his head..

    [–]capplecDistinguished Master Guardian 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah the dark blue ct head probably blends in REALLY well to the train tracks or whatever you would see from that angle.

    [–]BowtylMaster Guardian II 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    They didn't even know WHERE he was. Would you expect someone to be in the sky? No.

    [–]RETRO_GOTTMaster Guardian II 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The fact that they knew about it for 2 months makes it even more disgusting.

    I don't want to even watch the rest of the tournament, for me the fun is gone seeing a team advance because of this.

    [–]NaichebenDistinguished Master Guardian 191 ポイント192 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    This shit can't happen in a fucking 250k major. It's clearly pixel walking. Well... If fnatic can't cheat they need to abuse the map...

    [–]Requiem95Supreme Master First Class 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

    Yep that's pixel walking, people have looked at in hammer too, no ledge lol.

    [–]LazinCajunGold Nova III 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Without hammer, you could argue his character model is standing on the edge of that square pyramidal thing near his feet, but with the hammer screenshots it's obvious it's pixel walking.

    [–]gmc112Legendary Eagle Master 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Apart from they may actually be cheating as well...

    [–]MilklemoreSilver II 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Honestly some of the shit that's come up surrounding fnatic is unacceptable and needs to be officially addressed. These players are giving the team a bad name and ruining tournaments for others (LDLC for example). If I didn't know any better and saw all this controversy, i'd assume all other branches of fnatic (such as their LoL team) were cheating as well.

    [–]boinkerz- 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (26子コメント)

    "It's called Overpass Olofpass for a reason."

    Holy shit, that smug.

    Edit: Olofpass

    [–]dam121594Master Guardian II 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Even worse, devilwalk said "olofpass"

    [–]JoltZeroSilver Elite Master 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He said that? I thought he said "Olafpass" as a joke.

    [–]Corvette53pDistinguished Master Guardian 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He said olofpass as a joke

    [–]hectictw 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He actually said "Olofpass".

    [–]HonestlyBullshitDistinguished Master Guardian 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That smug look on his face like he was so proud of himself.

    [–]Fonzy02Distinguished Master Guardian [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

    I wanted to punch him in the face so hard...

    [–]GoMLism 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought he said Olafpass.

    [–]shitting_frisbees 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    he said "olofpass"

    [–]Phoenixed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He said "Olofpass", you should edit the comment.

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      [–]XaroYLegendary Eagle Master 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      wow, with the first picture we even can forget the pixelwalking, it's now DEFINITELY against the invisible walls rule.

      [–]Foehton 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What he said.

      [–]ericaltm 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      is that T-Spawn?

      [–]FirsouGold Nova III 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yes it is.

      [–]nicoacademia 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      should be DQ for pixel walking!

      [–]Re-Traced 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      This may have ruined the remainder of the tournament for me, considering Fnatic is very likely to end up in the finals now.

      I just don't think I can find any excitement in watching, knowing LDLC was robbed of their victory. Not a single skin was bet on my part, but as a spectator I just didn't enjoy this series. They really should just replay the third map.

      [–]McSpikeGold Nova I 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      considering Fnatic is very likely to end up in the finals now

      assuming that they won't get dq for pixel walking. imo the 2nd half should be replayed if fnatic doesn't get dq.

      [–]ExosumDistinguished Master Guardian 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Fnatic out, LDLC in.

      [–]uikiSilver I 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's pixelwalking, it's illegal, it's bannable.

      https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745

      No ledge even in hammer.

      This is a fucking joke, they need to do something.

      [–]Luxorian 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Clearly pixelwalking

      Edit: I mean really http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

      [–]flukeRRRDistinguished Master Guardian 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      They were already on rocky ground in the public eye and now this just destroyed their image for many.

      [–]rexxy003Distinguished Master Guardian 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Disgusting, dirty counter strike. Just cheated their way into the semis

      [–]ASR-BriggsDistinguished Master Guardian 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Fuck Fnatic.

      [–]Jurmankukkeli 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah seriously fuck them.

      [–]Ninja_NinerSilver IV 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Fnatic should be disqualified, that was some serious bullshit

      [–]JanEric1Master Guardian Elite 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      100% against the rules and fnatic should be disqualified

      [–]Fonzy02Distinguished Master Guardian [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

      According to DH rules, when a rule is broken during a round, the round is considered as lost for the team breaking the rule.

      So, no rematch, just 26-3 for LDLC

      https://twitter.com/VaKarM_net/status/538429046158532608

      [–]Chapan 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Devilwalk the smug one, Pasha please talk some sense into him about keeping it secret for 2 months

      [–]Requiem95Supreme Master First Class 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (20子コメント)

      2ND half should be replayed.

      It's just not even counter-strike at that point and the first time LDLC were going to win? they bring out a dirty DIRTY boost they've kept for TWO months that's very sad and I've lost a lot of respect for fnatic just for keeping it from the devs for 2 months.

      [–]observationalhumourMaster Guardian Elite 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (16子コメント)

      2ND half should be replayed.

      Then fnatic still win and do this.

      [–]SatanIsLove 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Never seen this before. How do these people have ANY fans?

      [–]solodaninjaMaster Guardian Elite 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      To be fair, its basically a different team in that video, only two of those Fnatic members are still on Fnatic, and one of them wasn't too involved in that incident and apologized immediately afterwards. JW though..... argh. That guy rubs me the wrong way in almost every single way.

      [–]pomfpomfMaster Guardian Elite 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He has such a punchable face.

      [–]ZombeezThe Global Elite 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      No, Fnatic should be completely disqualified from the tournament for blatantly breaking the rules. Nothing should be replayed.

      [–]MaiKyLoLGold Nova III 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Should be removed, it is already a CT map and this makes it even worse. Also, you can't get killed from there as Fliffaren said.

      [–]carlsaischa 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      They did damage him like 17 hp once though..

      [–]IgnoranceIndicatorMa 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Hacks

      Maybe still using hacks

      And this...

      No respect.

      edit:

      Put this here for visibility from thebeefclick and unhi

      http://i.imgur.com/HfK6hK8.jpg

      [–]-SaltGold Nova III 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Another rule also states that boosts are illegal if you can see through textures.
      http://imgur.com/a/xCao8

      [–]Hellwemade 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      As if people needed another reason to hate Fnatic...

      [–]BluCrayonsSilver Elite Master 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Throwing out my fnatic mousepad. I can't support this fucking team anymore. First flusha, now this shit.

      [–]Zaiush 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Burn it, post a video

      [–]BluCrayonsSilver Elite Master 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Will do. Gimme a couple of hours

      [–]PatMoon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      !remindme 2 hours
      Burning Fnatic Mousepad

      [–]topcattiLegendary Eagle Master 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      2nd half should be replayed.

      [–]Joeman45 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Is there a circlejerk version of this subreddit? Because they'd have a field day with this shit.

      [–]njob3ESEA Player 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Just when you thought fnatic couldn't be more disliked by the community.

      [–]sqviddySupreme Master First Class 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Fnatic as an organisation had become a total joke in my eyes these few weeks leading up to DH, this just cements that opinion.

      As far as this goes though, I'd love to see them DQ-d or the the 3rd map replayed.

      [–]spymasterrThe Global Elite 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      http://i.imgur.com/RGQN5b4.jpg

      Confirmed ingame screenshot from flushas POV

      [–]ThePiousInfant 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The fact that Fnatic:

      1. Found out about this TWO MONTHS ago and then asked the uploader to keep it quiet, and did not report it to Valve.

      2. Pulled it out when they were on the brink of defeat by a superior opponent.

      3. Had shit-eating grins ("olofpass") afterwards.

      ... says everything you need to know about this team's attitude towards sportsmanship, and even if it doesn't result in a forfeit or replay at DHW (though it should by the letter of the law), it is a douchebag move that calls into question what else this team would be willing to do in order to win.

      [–]kERTizeDistinguished Master Guardian [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

      I think that LDLC really managed to win this one. After beautiful 1st half and winning pistols their job was aborted by this. In my opinion things like this shouldn't happen on tournaments such as Dreamhack or another big major. I was big fan of Fnatic 2009 1.6 team but unfortunately i have to say that Fnatic should be DQ. This place belongs to LDLC.

      [–]iliketoknitfoolSilver IV 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      it was some bullshit

      [–]TrinidiiLegendary Eagle Master 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They should be DQ'd. It is pixel boosting which is clearly against Dreamhack rules. If they are not disqualified, I feel terrible for LDLC.

      [–]duelistgamerESEA Player 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I used to respect devilwalk before this match but his smug face during the interview just changed my opinion altogether.

      [–]iNoToRi0uS 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I'm sorry, but if you put any silver up there with an auto, he could have done the same thing.
      This should not be allowed for tournament level games.

      [–]optimus_ginnyGold Nova Master 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pretty disgusting IMO.

      [–]Mikey___ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't know if it breaks any rules or not, but it is some intense bullshit no matter what.

      [–]PokeHardenSilver I 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Honestly they should just replay the 3rd map. It goes against the spirit of a professional sport to 'explot' like that. Even if the admins say its legal. If I were any other team I would chose not to play against Fanatic in the future.

      Sorry LDLC you deserved this one.

      [–]Griswo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      they should replay only the second half...

      [–]OnbeygirGold Nova III 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      why should they replay? It's illegal so it should be DQ

      [–]notbitcoinLegendary Eagle Master 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I've been watching competitive CS since 2002 and this is the worst I've ever felt for a team after any game. After all the commotion about making DreamHack a clean event, the admins allow this spot to be blatantly exploited and essentially give one guy the ability to see where LDLC is going every round. I mean, no need for special steam cloud sound-based wallhacks when you can just get the information first-hand yourself with this exploit.

      LDLC, you deserved that win, and I'm sorry that it was stolen from you.

      [–]afghanarandy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      According to ReDeYe, they are reviewing the boost.

      https://twitter.com/PaulChaloner/status/538418679797796864

      [–]kalmarsh 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (23子コメント)

      Never played CS, probably never will. Definitely feel bad for LDLC.

      [–]KilsalotDistinguished Master Guardian 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Don't let this put you off. CS is an incredible game and the competitive scene is almost never like this.

      [–]CRTuserMaster Guardian II 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I honestly had to turn the stream off after they won the first few rounds with that boost. Even if it is legit it makes me sick to my stomach to see that happening at a 250k tourny.

      [–]nyxa1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No words, they need to be DQ'd that is pixel walking and thus cheating.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745

      no even a ledge on the hammer tool.

      [–]-PandoraGold Nova Master 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Other view of the pixelwalking: http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg

      [–]pineapple_pants 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If i'm a pro player, i'm shunning fnatic.

      [–]weseven 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      @TeamLDLCCSGO:

      2014-11-28 20:06:01 UTC

      Admin's decision will be announced at the end of the next match @TeamDignitas vs. @natusvincere. So let's go : team-ldlc.com #DHW14

      [–]lnflnlty 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      the hammer screenshots prove it is pixel walking. the "we found it two months ago and hid it from everyone" and the "we asked people to take it down from youtube" mean it was pre-meditated. they don't even deserve a replay of 2nd half. they should be dq'd. this is not like the nuke flashbang bug of years ago where it was an accident. this is obvious and intentional rulebreaking

      [–]BearCorp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Good news!

      tl;dr - either DQ or rematch (allegedly)

      [–]multichromeDistinguished Master Guardian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      [–]vGraffyMaster Guardian Elite [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

      I just want to show reddit this. This prove tht the boost allowed fnatic to see thru walls that they shouldn't link

      [–]MizghettiDistinguished Master Guardian [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

      Here is the interview with Devilwalk after the match was over.

      Watch the interviewer try and hide his disgust with what he just witnessed.

      "Honestly I-I-I am genuinely speechless. It's made me so upset because it is complete... do-do you think it's fair?"

      [–]Tollazor [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

      Fnatic are dogs, nothing but lowlife dogs that don't deserve any kind of victory. To hold information like that is completely against the spirit of competition and sportsman ship. It is cowardly, I am digusted by their child-like behaviour. LDLC is the better team, I know it, you know it, Fnatic know it.

      [–]RenkuuLegendary Eagle Master 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      OLOFMEISTER ༼ ▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿ ༽_•︻̷̿┻̿═━一 ༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º༼ ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ºل͟º ༽ LDLC

      [–]c0mputarMaster Guardian I 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Should fnatic have won the tournament just because they found an exploit that is going to have the map removed from the selection for the rest of the tournament?

      What does that tell you about the boost?

      The ledge they are near on the boost isn't what they are standing on. It is an invisible edge. You have to have pixels on the edge in order to stand on it. The fact that they knew about it for so long just bums me out, fuck fnatic for thinking that a boost that is map breaking and gives them vision over half the map was fair game.

      I was rooting for fnatic because of all the witch hunting before this, but if this is the kind of play they think is acceptable, then I don't know if they have the integrity not to do other bullshit either. Valve was depending on pros for feedback for maps they pushed onto the competitive scene. fnatic held back a map breaking exploit, ruined the spirit of the whole competition, and quite frankly if it isn't a pixelwalking I don't know what is. It's not just the letter of the rules that matter, but the spirit of the rule. The map was clearly designed so that the whole wall went from top to bottom, even if it comes to pass that they technically didn't break the rule, they broke the spirit of the rule which, in the real world, is just as relevant.

      [–]We-Are-HarbingerESEA Player 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      DQ them. If they don't I'm never gonna watch DH again. That was fucking scumbaggery at it's finest. It wouldn't have mattered if it was at most 2 weeks of them knowing it, but 2 fucking months? No, not cool at all.

      I lost ANY respect for fnatic I had. And before people claim "oh you're just salty cause you lost skins" or anything, I didn't bet on this game. I haven't for months.

      Mostly what pissed me off about it, was how fucking smug Devilwa--Pixelwalk, rather, was about it after.

      [–]nyxa1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      WOW things just get worst for fnatic - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3jk_6lCAAAANLS.jpg:large

      [–]HydraplayshinThe Global Elite 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its bs, and they should be dq. Or atleast remake the match from 12-3. Ldlc should and would have won that.

      [–]SatanIsLove 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why are Fnatic even allowed to play at this point? They're destroying CSGO's reputation as an esport.

      [–]JimnehSilver Elite Master 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I said it somewhere else but Devilwalk said they knew about the spot for 2 months and they didn't report it? That is just wrong.

      [–]flippah254 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      THAT ISNT A BOOST.. its a MAP EXPLOIT... fuck this shit... DQ them now

      [–]PointAndClickDistinguished Master Guardian 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The highest display of douchebaggery and if this is not too low for them, then certainly cheating online isn't.

      [–]doomedyouth [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

      [–]Dasneko [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

      Here lies the problem. How many matches will have to change if we change this?

      [–]minemaster11 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      this boost is the equivalent of CTs on nuke seeing all of lobby and most of outside at the same time

      way too much information...and the fact you can auto snipe people in the head without repercussion

      [–]Chadlynx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Saving it for two months! This has to be the epitome of saving strategies.

      [–]CowDizzleESEA Player 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Even if it was legal (WHICH ITS NOT), did fnatic think we would all respect them and think they were genius for using it?