fnatic should be disqualified - pixelwalking is illegal according to DH rules

GeneralTuber · 22 分前

They've known about it for 2 months, no integrity.

Husonaut · 33 分前

I hated fnatic before, but now? This is just sad...

igotinfected · 22 分前

agree 100%. As Devilwalk just said, 'LDLC played much better than we actually did'. I'm losing all my fucking hype for this shitscene. First VAC-Bans and now this.. this is just disgraceful.

jamacanbacn · 35 分前

"DH admin confirmed that the boost is legal according to tournament rules" https://twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/538410715657560065

iCoFox · 18 分前

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/534004035366033043/512C7A39B7B070B84A72371BA0FC902DEC1DCDA4/

Proof of being pixelwalk.

xela1g · 36 分前

Actually a really solid find. Somehow I don't think it's going to be brought up in time though. Plus it looks like there's some sort of small ledge where they're doing the boost so I doubt the argument will really be made :(

Edit: It's definitely pixelwalking but nobody is going to see this or bring it up in time. Sadly Fnatic is going to get an unfair win. /u/AndersOnFire pls come see this

Edit 2: If anybody cares, please fucking tweet at relevant staff/casters at DHW so they see this.

E3: Due to some PMs I got, I just wanted to make a few things clear. I didn't bet, and if I had I probably would've gone with Fnatic in all truth. Neither of these teams are my favorite and I wasn't rooting for either one; I just wanted to see some great CS being played. If Fnatic would've won cleanly, great for them, by all means let them win the whole tournament, but the fact remains that they were clearly pixelwalking and sat on this bug for 2 months prior to the tournament. That's not sportsmanship and that's not a legitimate win. I can't stand the decision that was taken by the DH admins and the rest of this tournament has lost it glimmer for me.

Final edit: Conclusive proof that this was an exploit (thanks to /u/JimmyJ_)

https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745

Gg fnatic, nice exploit. If this doesn't get the DQ'ed then fuck you DH for being corrupt.

TamedMonkey · 21 分前

How is this not pixelwalking? http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg

LiQuidArroW · 22 分前

This just ruined my hype for Dreamhack, I'm not even interested to see how it ends now.

MatteeHx · 21 分前

I agree, LDLC should have definitely won the map, all their rounds were legit. Overpass is already a CT sided map with that boost the map is unplayable, if you get the boost really fast, you can't rush B or go through middle as Terrorists. Fnatic in my opinion have all my respect, Valve has always asked Pro's to help them fix maps and Fnatic has known that boost for 2 months. Fnatic = Bad sportsmanship.

unbreaKwOw · 19 分前

How aren't they disqualified..

scBaldwin · 38 分前

This isn't pixelwalking.

edit - changing my mind after seeing this picture. I'm not sure anymore. He's not standing on the actual ledge, he is floating. http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

human1405 · 26 分前

Absolutely. This ruined my enjoyment of the tournament, because DH didn't stop this, and don't seem to care about an obvious exploit.

hugebigmac · 22 分前

Yeah fnatic did not deserve to win this

knifejesus · 23 分前

Fuck Fnatic. Fuck Dreamhack. Fuck Devilwalk. Fuck this. Fuck that. No, I don't bet.

migal1130 · 20 分前

fuck fnatic

Barbing · 21 分前

If Fnatic does not get disqualified OR the rounds get reset, Dreamhack are not enforcing their rules, this is gamebreaking and it is basically the same as cheating. The spot it self is hitbox bugged.

Instantcoffees · 23 分前

So according to the caster it's legal because he's standing on a teammate.... yet that teammate is pixelwalking? Fnatic knew about this for 2 months and pulled it off in a major? What the fuck.

Firsou · 19 分前

http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg

Please take a look at this and spread it. This is illegal.

loliger_rofler · 31 分前

Okay, someone know how to contact the DH staff? This is just brutally unfair.

Kroad · 21 分前

fnatic's hacks are gone, so they have to find other ways of cheating

nicoacademia · 21 分前

dreamhack is fucked up.

fucked up dota2.

fucked up csgo.

RealFellow · 21 分前

lost all the respect for CS team and organization overall. Cheaters and bug exploiters, nothing else to say.

RealFellow · 18 分前

http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

HAHAH LEGIT

banfnatic #norespect

popmycherryyosh · 28 分前

Well, hltv tweeted that it was legal and confirmed by DH admins. I don't approve, but I think the thing is that they can't really do anything else than to allow it since LDLC had 13 rounds and all. What are they to do? I don't know. I felt it was a disgusting boost and so on. As someone has already said, I've also lost all my existing respect for Fnatic.

And I feel so insanely bad for LDLC, considering this match, and that they've lost against cheaters the previous tournaments -.-

xiic · 26 分前

If Dreamhack does not DQ Fnatic, the whole CSGO tournament will be a disgrace.

pandabeardm · 26 分前

They got fountain hooked rekt

VinnyCid · 20 分前

The DH panel is saying it's legal, is this correct?

Sawii · 14 分前

MADE A VIDEO WITH THE INVISIBLE WALLS ENABLED

GhchD · 24 分前

funny how fnatic struggles so hard to make me utterly hate them. It's starting to get artistic.

of the 2 teams the worse one advanced. peace.

MidnightRider77 · 24 分前

Admins letting it slide because of the drama it's creating and attention it's bringing to the tournament. Only reason I can think of. That is blatantly pixel walking.

Fapper_Deluxe · 23 分前

I love how (no matter if its allowed or not) they used it and then their player with a huge grin says 'it's a shame the map exploit decided the match' in an interview

grpocz · 27 分前

DH Admins are fucking biased. ITS A FUCKING BUG EXPLOIT.

KarmaChief · 22 分前

I got a fnatic mousepad with my Rival that I haven't used, going to burn it now..

dogtasteslikechicken · 30 分前

This is obviously pixelwalking.

I have no idea why fnatic were allowed to play to begin with. DH admins should have done replay analysis on fnatic and dq them for the aimbot.

Now they are ignoring this blatant breach of the rules.

Completely absurd.

quickiler · 22 分前

I am so second this even without reading the rule. Respect lost.

akioka2 · 21 分前

It's clearly eploit bug they knew it from now 2 months what a joke...

Lemonian · 20 分前

Please DQ Fnatic.

haZe_xX · 19 分前

http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

DH-Rules, page 10: “pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges);

FredJohnPc · 16 分前

Money over a fair game then I guess. It makes me so mad that they knew this two months in advance. Well ggwp it was interesting to watch and interesting to see that Fnatic dont contact Valve about gamebreaking exploits.

Ikarish · 13 分前

Completely agree. DH rules state pixel walking is illegal - Fnatic are pixel walking: http://i.gyazo.com/ed0782d56ae76f090b93923a54074a9c.png http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg

DH have to act on this.

zach1base · 12 分前

https://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

Here is a clear picture ^{^} that shows one fnatic player pixelwalking to boost the other player.

Obviously should be DQ'd. Not even salty, just being rational.

huhVile · 12 分前

This GAME is so fucked - Never spending a penny on this game... This scene is TOXIC especially when a TOP team gets away with UNFAIR WIN!!!! That BOOST BROKE THE GAME LDLC MUCH BETTER TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

r4t3d · 37 分前

I could not find the 2014 rulebook, but I am sure they are using the same rulebook as last year.

It clearly states that pixelwalking is forbidden.

“pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges);

If you look closely, he is not standing on an edge, he is floating. So they should be DQ'd.

/edit:

http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

As you can see, he is not standing on the ledge. He is standing on an invisible pixel before the ledge.

AoXis · 27 分前

The Guy who boosted Olofm stands on an invinsible edge. So “pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges); Fnatic DQ!

Roen106 · 18 分前

I dislike Fnatic. I'm not fans of them. I don't like the accusations flying about.

But I still think everyone is being absolute babies about this. Is the spot exploitable? Yes. Will it be patched? Most likely. But to say it wasn't known is just stupid to anyone who didn't do the research.

That exact boost spot was posted and on the front page of this subreddit not three weeks ago. I've used it multiple times in MM already.

Any pro team doing their research on the map should have found and known about that.

$250K is on the line. I'm not surprised in the slightest that Fnatic used it so much. It won it for them. Good for them.

HoudsonSmith · 20 分前

DH you say this is illegal, YET you do nothing

temyyh · 20 分前

You are supposed to report those, not abuse them... Fnatic had it as the last map, last side. Disgusting, just disgusting.

ForrestFireDW · 20 分前

tweet @csgo_dev about this. This is a major problem and is fucking disgraceful. Devilwalk said they found this months ago. This is an obvious exploit that if valve knew about, they would have patched it before. pathetic.

cy09149 · 19 分前

That spot is just so disgusting, this shouldnt has happened. LDLC has a almost perfect ct side and get reky by that spot. No respect for fnatic.

deadpixelzzz · 19 分前

We can't cheat, right? So let's use some exploits Kappa

bad-fred · 18 分前

That just wasn`t deserved at all, i just... i dunno LDLC just deserved the match i mean..........i just.

tokongs · 18 分前

I have lost the little respect i had for Fnatic and all my faith in CS:GO.

Chapan · 18 分前

Fuck me Devilwalk was smug. Please Pasha "talk" to him :(

GOfreak · 17 分前

Didnt really loose any respect for fnatic as a team...(didnt have any to begin with)

but DreamHack on the other hand, respect level -1000%.....fuck off

bydd · 16 分前

Seriously fnatic? No......

zFugitive · 16 分前

Upvote this shit, DQ their fucking cheating asses from this tournament. It's clearly against the rules, it's clearly against the integrity of the game, THEY KNEW ABOUT IT FOR MONTHS AND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING! GET THESE FUCKING CHEATERS OUT OF THE EVENT.

oldpainless · 16 分前

Most unsportsmanlike move I've seen in a long time. How can the admins claim this is legal when it's clearly pixel walking? I'm baffled...

AdoCotterr · 15 分前

Should just mass report their accounts for this fucking bullshit. It's disgusting.

HiImAsvp · 15 分前

Knowing that for 2 months makes it even worse.

jakedageek127 · 14 分前

THERE IS NO EDGE THERE http://i.imgur.com/5e2T6l6.jpg

MisterTipp · 13 分前

http://imgur.com/J8lTm9O

acf_shooter · 8 分前

Congrats, you found an unfair advantage to a map two months prior to a major event and didn't tell valve. They were trying to make maps less broken and you allowed the biggest break to go through with knowledge. As someone who is not huge into the Counter-strike scene, due to League of Legends being my main game, I have instantly lost all hope for you. As a Fnatic LOL fan, the organization may have just lost so much cred overall. I know a lot of other league players are watching due to Dreamhack being on LOL sub front page. Why use broken mechanics to win? why hold info from the company trying to make the game more skill based and less buggy? If they don't get DQ'd they should at least receive fines/ reduced payout due to holding information from Valve.

Also, can't wait for the tournament to be over and the hack creator to release all information should be fun times :)

DrTayTayMD · 33 分前

From the pdf:

"10 DreamHack
Summer 201 3 Counter -‐ Strike: Global Of fensive rules – All rights reserved The following actions are strictly prohibited during a game and will result in round loss (the amount is determined by the tournament director) which will be deducted at the end of the match, and a warning:

• using console is forbidden (exce pt to record game);

• any form of script is forbidden;

• using bugs which change the game princip le (i.e. spawn bugs) is illegal;

• moving through walls, floors and roofs is strictly forbid den . This also includes skywalking;

• "silent bombs" (i.e. the planting of a bomb which doesn't make a sound) are illegal;

• planting bombs so that they cannot be defused is illegal. This does not include plants where multiple players are needed to defuse;

• boo sting with the help of team mates is allowed in general, but it is forbidden in places where the textures, walls, ceilings, floors become transparent or penetrable;

• “fireboost” (i.e firing below a player to push him) is strictly illegal;

• “flashbugs” are fo rbidden;

• throwing flash grenades under walls is not allowed, throwing grenades over walls or roofs is allowed;

• “mapswimming“ or „Floating“ is illegal;

• “pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges);

• using 16bit graphics;

• Binding “+d uck“ to the mouse wheel is forbidden;

• Any custom (game) files."

...

“pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges)

edit: So they might take rounds away from Fnatic at the end I guess

s0ler · 21 分前

Just confirmed by DH staff, it's legal.

ashzx · 17 分前

http://imgur.com/tOhg8Zu

Would you say a normal spot like this should be disqualified? Because it doesn't look like I'm stood on the edge. No.

Everyone just hunting fnatic down.

Fiery1ce · 36 分前

https://twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/538410715657560065

pegasusairforce · 18 分前

Its only allowed because of a loophole, since he was standing on a player, and the player was on the pixel ledge. Though in the interview they said they knew about this for 2 months, so they had the opportunity to tell valve to patch this obvious exploit but they didn't. This map should be replayed honestly.

duelistgamer · 17 分前

Apparently the reason for not disqualifying them is that olof wasn't pixelwalking...so it's ok to get boosted on a player who is pixelwalking :|

pn42 · 17 分前

it's allowed. DHAdmin confirmed. Admins should reconsider that though and give a defwin to ldlc on overpass. (or give them the rounds where they essentially lost because of it- i.e a defwin as itwould be something like 20-5

banjolasse · 17 分前

If they say it's legal, then it's legal. At least for now. I'm thoroughly impressed by Fnatic for keeping this a secret (and no-one else finding it) for so long.

seraro · 17 分前

Hey don't really know where to put or if there are rules about this. But during the game I've seen JW (i think, the player closest to the LDLC team) look over at the players/screens of LDLC every time the camera was pointing at him. In 3 separate occasion I've seen him do this.

kyleisawesome555 · 17 分前

Here's a picture, it looks like he is sorta on that ledge.

https://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg

Veg4s · 16 分前

A shame

shadycharacter2 · 15 分前

fnatic would literally do anything to earn a little bit of money, I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow smuggled their hacks on site

thelampochka · 15 分前

Pixelwalking or not this is a map abuse and shouldnt be legal.

d0eb0eg0e · 15 分前

"I thought that only with us Poles "no holds barred" does not criticize often but it was not cs"-pasha on his facebook

imMidas · 15 分前

http://i.imgur.com/78eRmsE.jpg Well here is a good image showing the "invisible ledge" LOL. Definitely looks like pixelwalking imo.

Sam_0001 · 15 分前

This match literally had made me,think about not watching Dreamhack completely. First cheating scandals and now these kind of sick play by Fnatic. And no, i didn't bet on this match. Good job Dreamhack and Valve specially!

Trigg0 · 13 分前

RULES ARE RULES! FNATIC MUST BE DISQUALIFIED!

Halljerh · 13 分前

This scene is a fucking joke.

seriousbob · 12 分前

Yeah I'm done watching cs go from dhw. Don't think it will matter much generally, controversy brings viewers.

izt · 12 分前

https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745 THIS GUY. It proves EVEN FURTHER THAT IT'S PIXEL WALKING.

saybruh · 12 分前

im so fucking pissed right now. LDLC is clearly the better team. zero respect for fnatic and their pet pig jw.

LooneyLoney · 12 分前

Funny because they said he was standing on buddies head well, I'm pretty sure when I was watching Olof would jump on buddies head then onto an invisible ledge. I also think its just sad that they had to use something so redic to actually beat LDLC this time, LDLC was the better team today no doubt.

NotCarson · 12 分前

the little respect I had with fnatic, now gone.

CtrlCsgo · 11 分前

This is gamebreaking.

Just replay the second half. Hell, Fnatic get a chance at a pistol round they lost. So they actually still see a benefit from the exploit. Its more then what they deserve.

Keeping this in for the rest of the tournament just to prove a point is ridiculous.

I'd say odds are near 0% they let another game happen on overpass with this boost allowed. Which leads to the following question:

Is it fair for LDLC to be eliminated by a boost that is no longer allowed?

skullys · 10 分前

hacking possibility and now this crap? will these pieces of trash ever get a clean win? this feels like anybody can be a pro on cs nowadays there is so much assistance

PowerTattie · 10 分前

That boost won them the map, which could essentially win them the entire tournament. The fact that they have been sitting on it for 2 months makes it even more dirty imo.

-Saphix- · 10 分前

http://i.imgur.com/5e2T6l6.jpg

It is definetly pixelwalking, just look at the models :)

poorlytaxidermiedfox · 10 分前

I hope fnatic will have fun fondling their newly won 750.000 SEK. But do they not realize this astounding display of completely unfair play and bending of the rules will cost them fans and the respect of the GO community at large - and thus, sponsor money? They didn't think this through. They may have won the battle, but they'll lose the war over this..

oaeraw · 9 分前

hate that fat kid on fnatic

VectorArt · 8 分前

Anders even thinks so: http://i.imgur.com/3hj7RL4.png

Sanghyun · 8 分前

fnatic ruins Dreamhack before the tournament and ruin it near the end. I really fucking hate them now.

MrHetappi · 8 分前

Ban their whole fucking organisation. They have gotten away with far too much and now ruined an entire event...gg

4dv4nc3d · 8 分前

The better team lose it-->exploit...nice fnatic nice... thats not fair and they should be banned

habidacus · 8 分前

Welcome to the wide world of dreamhack admins not doing their job, happened with Hearthstone and the Rdu bs.

RealNC · 8 分前

Absolutely. To me, this looks like cheating by exploiting game bugs and standing on air. The ledge does not protrude enough for someone to stand on it.

And also, fix the damn game >.< You should not be able to stand on something with only one pixel of your shoe sole making contact. That's just dumb.

JangoRage · 8 分前

according to the editor it should be clipped

jakroz · 7 分前

there's soon another game, DH must be fast or the meta of the tournament changes completely because of overpass map (bans/strategy)

Svipke · 7 分前

https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745/photo/1

This guy proves that there is no ledge there so it is "pixelwalking" which is forbidden by DreamHack rules. However knowing it's Swedish organisation rooting for Swedish team they won't make any change and LDLC will lose due to "cheating" from Fnatic.

After so many accusations against fnatic they are gonna be most hated team and persons for rest of time

PabloPandalf · 7 分前

This is really really sad. Fnatic was already a very disrespected team and now i believe they are the most hated team in the CS:GO community, and i'm really glad about that. I'm really sorry for LDLC, since they played very well and they actually deserved the win in this Best of 3.

I do not even know why Fnatic is allowed to play in DHW since there is a plethora of demos proving that Flusha and Olofmeister are point-blank cheating using aimbot. There is no way a player is moving his crosshair like that or serially locking players through walls over and over again. This is blatant cheating and i am really stunned that valve let these cheaters participate in this major.
They even said after that Valve is asking from pros to help them improve these new maps. In the interview after the game Fnatic stated they knew about this boost since 2 months! Great way to help Valve improve the maps, not by telling them about it, but by using this exploit to win a game in such an unfair way.
I just called it an exploit and i believe it is one. This is not legit, the guy that is boosting him is floating, also known as pixelwalking, which is strictly prohibited according to the dreamhack rules as stated by the OP.

Fnatic just showed once more that they don't deserve anything. This feels so rigged. Unfortunately, i have the feeling that 99%, they will not get DQed, and this will even be ignored as a "smart use of mechanics", as Fifflaren said, cause Fifflaren is not really allowed to say in public that he believes Fnatic exploited something. Fiffy tried to say in other words that Fnatic should have never won, but they just did.

Good job Fnatic, keep showing us how bad of a team you are, regarding the respect in e-sports towards your opponents, since so far you have cheated and exploited pixelwalking in LANs. Pussies.

ALWAYS_ANGRY7 · 7 分前

Fnatic is pathetic, should be DQ'd and LDLC put into the semi's. http://i.imgur.com/AROrw0u.jpg is pixel walking. Even if some people defend fnatic and say it was fair, how could you argue the point of whether it was ethical.

Valve looks at pro players to find this kind of shit and report it so it cant be abused, and yet this team has found one INSANE exploit and kept it quiet so they can use it in a major. P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.

pikslik · 7 分前

Fnatic are really keen on improving their image after those Flusha and Olofm hacking accusations.

Unforgettable_ · 6 分前

No ledge on Hammer. Def illegal.

https://twitter.com/sapotake/status/538416349845151745

bpieszak · 3 分前

needs to be replayed, this is the opposite of the spirit of competitive cs.

fnatic is a bunch of pussies, always have been, always will be. they will do anything to win, stop rewarding these nerds.

iguessillpass · 1 分前

Fuck devilwalk's smug face at the end, get hit by a brick wall please.

barongbord · 37 分前

EDIT: Changed my mind, should be DQed

kubqo · 21 分前

They should not be disqualified because of pixelwalking, they were standing on teammate. They should be disqualified or somehow punished because Valve asked players for feedback on new maps, and sitting on this game breaking spot for 2 months is just plain out dirty and OPPOSITE OF FAIR PLAY! I wonder if other teams are gonna do the same now.

Beanboy112 · 19 分前

boosting with the help of team mates is allowed in general, but it is forbidden in places where the textures, walls, ceilings, floors become transparent or penetrable;

If you go on that map you'll realize that the bush hitbox cannot be shot through and so fnatic could see them mid but LDLC couldn't shoot back through even once they found him. This was shown towards the end where I think it was kio taking shots and olof but none of them hit even though they were right on.

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