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[–]jratcliff63367 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (49子コメント)

I find this an interesting assertion, as cults are one of my favorite subjects. I study them intensively.

One key feature of cults is that they cultivate an irrational belief in a particular ideology.

In contrast, the blockchain is based on irrefutable concrete mathematics and perfect logic.

Many of the supporters of bitcoin, like myself, are professional software engineers who understand both the mathematics and software underpinning blockchain technology in incredible detail.

We recognize that this is a true breakthrough technology which is as game changing as the invention of the internet itself.

All of this forms the basis of a concrete belief system in an innovative technology, this belief is anything but 'cult' like.

Perhaps you just don't understand what is really going on here.

I think you confuse rational enthusiasm with irrational fanaticism. I get that, to the uneducated, you might confuse the two but, I assure you, there is a cleat difference.

[–]Nooku[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I am an engineer myself. I am a Bitcoin technology believer.

The point I'm making is that the comments and topics in the /r/bitcoin subreddit feel like a cult.

Not saying that Bitcoin itself is a cult. That's why I said: "I'm not blaming the Bitcoin community, but the Reddit voting system".

Just look at the current hottest topic here:

"Contact Senator Coburn and tell him you want to bid in the US Marshalls Bitcoin Auction, but need clarification whether Bitcoins are 'illegal' as Ken Hess has concluded from his statement. If he replies they are 'not illegal', Ken Hess is finished. It's time we stand up to corrupt journalism. (coburn.senate.gov)"

This makes me feel like this is a cult.

It's always about contacting x, contacting y, in huge groups, marching through cyberspace, because someone posted something and got upvoted to the moon.

[–]tetondon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And consider this

One key feature of cults is that they cultivate an irrational belief in a particular ideology. In contrast, the blockchain is based on irrefutable concrete mathematics and perfect logic.

Thinking the blockchain is an " irrefutable concrete mathematics and perfect logic" is irrational.

For example: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/3668/bitcoin-network-shaken-by-blockchain-fork/

[–]vbenes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to pardon some over-enthusiasm, silliness and cheering of the simpletons. Freedom brings all kinds of madness. Now it's like sitting in the first (alien-tech-enhanced) rocket plane which is roaring all around us and shooting itself god knows where.

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. ...You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning... And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave...

[–]nextgeneric 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget the bitcoin songs and other batshit craziness that takes place within these confines.

[–]mynameisjameis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many of the supporters of bitcoin, like myself, are professional software engineers who understand both the mathematics and software underpinning blockchain technology in incredible detail.

...I get that, to the uneducated, you might...

Guess what, genius: many of the people who don't quite believe all the hype, like myself, are professional software engineers who understand both the mathematics and software underpinning blockchain technology in incredible detail.

Also, many of us have been in the industry long enough to recognize bullshit when we see it. Now, I'm not saying that the blockchain is BS (I actually think it's pretty cool and that it has potential to do something useful), but I am nowhere near convinced enough to say it's a game changer like the internet is/was. It has too many holes/problems still. Perhaps they'll be worked out. Perhaps they won't. And that makes anybody who believes in it 100% (such as yourself) look and sound like a cultist.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (17子コメント)

This lengthy "it's not a cult" speech is the cultiest thing I've possibly ever seen on this subreddit.

I think, outside of your comment, that things are much less culty here than they were a year ago. Possibly because the hope of easy money diminished and took a lot of the penny stock pumper crowd over to the alt coin forums.

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just don't understand the epiphany that the Leader endowed him with; when the UFO leaves with them to the moon we'll still have no idea what a game changer it is. Also cults only effect other people, obviously not someone who has read about cults and finds them interesting (a natural affinity for cults one might say)

[–]jratcliff63367 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I guess you couldn't understand it. Since when is math and a distributed database a 'cult'?

Yeah, sure, I'm also a member of the car cult because I love cars. And I'm a member of the electricity cult because I like lights.

Only a weirdo like you could equate mathematics and computer science with a religious cult. Good job.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I guess because I like building wooden planes on the beach I'm in some kind of cult now.

edit: because you've studied cults, you will surely realize that the object of worship is often quite separate from the wacky belief structures and evangelicalism that spring up around it.

[–]jratcliff63367 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Sounds like a nice hobby.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The sun is merely nuclear fusion, yet many a cult has arisen from the warm embrace of its rays.

Your argument is either intentionally disingenuous like the "they want to ban math!" crowd, you are unable to decompartmentalize your extensive cult research and apply it to communities you identify with, or your actual knowledge of cults is sorely lacking.

There are posters in this thread embracing the concept of cultism as a necessary component of mainstreaming an idea.

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your argument is either intentionally disingenuous like the "they want to ban math!" crowd, you are unable to decompartmentalize your extensive cult research and apply it to communities you identify with, or your actual knowledge of cults is sorely lacking.

Yep, the burning (straw) man rationale.

[–]jratcliff63367 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Uh. They do want to ban math. Bitcoin is distributed math.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Projectiles and their effects on soft tissue are physics, but making laws about not shooting at people does not equate to banning physics.

This is the dumbest argument.

[–]AussieCryptoCurrency 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Projectiles and their effects on soft tissue are physics, but making laws about not shooting at people does not equate to banning physics.

This is the dumbest argument.

Snap! best thing I've read here in a loooooong time.

[–]jratcliff63367 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Making laws banning human beings from using a cryptographiclly secure peer to peer database to represent tokens is insanity.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is irrelevant to the discussion of whether it is "banning math."

[–]LeeerrroyJenkins -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your post-modern deconstructionism skepticism is quite cultish.

[–]nobodybelievesyou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm the Leader.

[–]JeanneDOrc 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (15子コメント)

One key feature of cults is that they cultivate an irrational belief in a particular ideology.

In contrast, the blockchain is based on irrefutable concrete mathematics and perfect logic.

How on earth is that a contrast?

[–]Smelltastic 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's seriously the most hilarious shit I've read this week.

"We aren't a cult because OUR God is the true one!!"

[–]ParisGypsie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Many of the supporters of bitcoin, like myself, are professional software engineers who understand both the mathematics and software underpinning blockchain technology in incredible detail.

Too bad mathematics and software does not create economies out of thin air. Maybe you should see what some actual economists with PhDs who have spent their lives studying these things have to say... Have fun with your money-sink of a hobby!

[–]romad20000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well surly a software engineer is qualified to speak about: macro, micro, international banking and global economic policies, with hyperbole instead of research. I mean what could go wrong!

[–]GrovesideGreg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The concrete industry issues you a gold star,sir. Thank you. :)

[–]mynameisjameis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

as does the cleat industry

[–]solmiler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the irrational belief part, that makes it a cult. Doesn't matter if bitcoin is logical and sound, it is "bitcoin will end wars" that makes it a cult.

Properties of an idea or a product (Apple) have nothing to do with the irrational belief.

[–]tiabrotag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

self awareness at record shattering lows

[–]wonderkindel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you confuse rational enthusiasm with irrational fanaticism. I get that, to the uneducated, you might confuse the two but, I assure you, there is a cleat difference.

You call the OP uneducated then demonstrate you have not mastered the Speak and Spell.

[–]jratcliff63367 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, because I'm the only person who has ever made a typo while posting on a mobile phone. Good catch.

[–]bankerfrombtc 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you name a cult that has cult members that won't tell you their cult is based on perfect logic and is a game changing revolution?