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Canadian pro-Ferguson rally organizers ask whites to stay in background, refrain from taking up space (theglobeandmail.com)

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[–]jsfu108 -101 ポイント-100 ポイント-99 ポイント 1 日前 (94子コメント)

They aren't saying "go away white people". What they are saying is don't narcissisticly try to whitewash the face of this. This is a racial issue, it's a black issue. There's no getting around that fact. Black people in America are sick of having white people speak for them and try to mellow their rhetoric. No, they want to say what the fuck they mean and they want the white man to shut the fuck up for a bit and let them say it.

I am that said white man. I went to a rally last night. I mean this when I say there was fucking nothing that me, or pretty much any other white guy, could add to that speaking list. They aren't saying "fuck white people", they're asking you to genuinely listen to them for once. Something white people have a serious fucking issue with for some reason.

Not everything needs to revolve around us, ya know?

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There are plenty of more productive ways to effect change than to act this way.

Like? If you say anything about voting or petitioning I'm going to laugh in your face.

I don't take joy in any of this, but really there's no other option left to people but to tear society a new asshole. At least in their minds. Keep in mind we're talking about a group of people who have, at this point, effectively severed any connection they have to the system. It's all bullshit to them. They'd burn every police station in America if they had enough lighter fluid. Giving them speeches on law and order doesn't mean shit to them. Why should it?

So how do you suggest they express themselves when as far as they're concerned nobody will ever listen to them anyway?

Interestingly, when George Zimmerman was aquitted we didn't see this kind of behaviour. Were black Americans upset? Sure. Did they behave like human beings? Absolutely.

No. Instead they did nothing but hold a few rallies and life went on as usual.

In case you didn't notice, "life going on as usual" isn't something to aspire to.

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Go take a sociology 101 class then get back to me. Because I don't think you realize how fucking complicated this shit is. I'm not even going to bother, you don't care anyway. You think people are islands divorced from their surroundings and economic and social situation. Well, they're not.

Racism and police brutality are real. At this point I fully support making life a living fucking hell for anybody who implicitly or explicitly supports that or justifies it. The state is not legitimate, the police are not legitimate, the law is not legitimate, and the culture that supports this bullshit deserves to be debased.

You want bad behavior? Look at your government. Look at your fascist riot cops. Look at the massive wealth inequality and the corrupt fucks getting bailed out on wallstreet.

The rioter's a more honest human being then all those idiots, if not necessarily a more ethical one.

So I repeat, "fuck all this shit"

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I have never oppressed a person of any other race in my life,

If you live in a wealthy country you have your boot crushing somebody else's face. Welcome to globalization.

Of course I'm not going to fix all the "obvious systemic inequalities that exist in America" because I'm a single fucking person.

You can do something. Everyone can.

My point was if the black race wants respect, why don't they fucking earn it instead of rioting out in the streets and acting like a bunch of babies that didn't get the result they wanted.

Fuck this shit.

Do you realize how often police get away with murder in this country? No more. Grinding the place to a halt should be a fucking civic duty. The people in power need to fear us. That's all there is to it.

They don't want or need your fucking respect. You're part of the problem.

I don't even know where you're getting over half of your information from but if you really hate America that much I suggest you just leave.

The empire is global, brudda.

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my god how you are trying to use MLK to justify riots

MLK was a lot more nuanced then idiot liberals like to think

https://woborders.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/mlk-on-riots-and-property-destruction/

... my... how sociopathic of you.

Why? Because I acknowledge reality? You live in a fucking violent world. The police are violent. Your neighbors are violent. The entire goddamn society is violent. You can't fundamentally change it by kissing it's ass.

They beat the shit out of Gandhi and they'd do it to you. Why let them?

This totally makes me trust you, and not to run out and buy more guns and give police more scope and power.

Like I was ever going to have your support to begin with...

And even if I did, what could you bring that was positive?

... no... not when you assault them for no other reason than being a violent criminal.

Be as dismissive as you want, the people burning the car dealership are speaking louder then you.

[–]ILickPaperPlates2014 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 22 時間前 (1子コメント)

Why? Because I acknowledge reality? You live in a fucking violent world. The police are violent. Your neighbors are violent. The entire goddamn society is violent. You can't fundamentally change it by kissing it's ass.

... show me the looting, rioting, and murder associated with the woman's suffrage movement...

Like I was ever going to have your support to begin with...

... you don't understand... most every american agrees with you and supports the ideas. When you start burning your shit and acting like animals, you lose it.

And even if I did, what could you bring that was positive?

.... my vote....

Be as dismissive as you want, the people burning the car dealership are speaking louder then you.

And they will go to jail. Then the police will come down even more heavy handedly, and people will understand why. No one will listen the next time, and the police will be given much wider discretion to suppress whatever shenanigans. It will be seen as a threat, and they will suppress it.

The bottom line here is this: You need help. Period. You need votes. Period. When you commit violence and threaten the majority of the voter block, then you make their own interests counter to yours.

[+]jsfu108 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 22 時間前 (0子コメント)

... show me the looting, rioting, and murder associated with the woman's suffrage movement...

Those women in the YPG killing Jihadis are doing more for women's rights then any number of voting drives ever did.

... you don't understand... most every american agrees with you and supports the ideas. When you start burning your shit and acting like animals, you lose it.

And most Americans are fucking deluded, brainwashed, idiots who mistake property with sacredness.

.... my vote....

How cute, you think this is a democracy and that politicians aren't corrupt asshats.

And they will go to jail.

And there's more where they came from.

Then the police will come down even more heavy handedly,

They've been doing that for years without catalyst anyway. And if they try then you push back harder.

No one will listen the next time

The people who matter aren't listening anyway.

and the police will be given much wider discretion to suppress whatever shenanigans

They murder people and get away with it. I don't think them tear gassing protesters is going to change that.

It will be seen as a threat, and they will suppress it.

And let them dig their own graves like Mubarak and Assad.

The bottom line here is this: You need help.

There's tens of thousands of people on the streets.

I think I got all the help I need.

You need votes

Fuck your entire lying bullshit excuse for a democracy. This is a fucking plutocracy.

When you commit violence and threaten the majority of the voter block, then you make their own interests counter to yours.

You keep assuming I want the system as is? Why? Did it ever occur to you that I think representative democracy is a fucking sham?

If you want actual democracy it ain't going to come from voting. You can't vote your way to freedom.

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Ya see this? This is why they don't want you taking this shit over. You don't give a fuck what they have to say, you just want them to conform to your wishes.

Over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”- Martin Luther King

They don't need you to tell them what to do. Get over it crybaby.

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