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GamerGhazi was here. Cease this misogyny at once.
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  • Guys in the harassment section do not forget the articles of cathy young she wrote about pro gg harassment and since it seems most of the harassment pro gg received was published on unreliable sources it is a good idea to go and look there
  • Keep it up yo, already looking way better than the Wikipedia article.
    • Don't know about it yet, but hope we're getting there. I've been busy lately, but I'll get back to editing soon. Can't speak for other contributors.
  • Well, you're getting better at this. But you've still got shitloads of info in their that is neither supported by your sources, nor true. You'll get there some day, probably aroudn the year 2114
  • There's not much that can be done with regards to the Wikipedia article precisely because this is an ongoing event and a lot of primary sources are being ignored by the type of reliable sources we need in order to make a balanced article. If anything, this is a downside of how Wikipedia functions. Inevitably, this means we in many cases simply have to wait for these reliable secondary sources to come.
    What can be improved for now though is the POV side of this. The Wikipedia article explicitly says in the first sentence "concerns misogyny and harassment in video game culture" as if that was an undisputed fact. If anything it's "alleged misogyny" since it's only ever been mentioned in reference to what detractors say. These are the only things we can fix that I see really. The current Wikipedia article seems at present unable to distinguish the use of such unsubstantiated loaded language from the detractors to how the reliable sources actually frame the issue. As far as I'm aware, none of the RSs actually report GamerGate to be misogynist other than as how it's percieved by the detractors.
  • Yeah, this is not working.
  • I am a bit wary of the current edit, as there have been more edits in the past few weeks than ever before, but here's an article on JournoList from 2011. It should provide us all with some interesting reference:
  • Aaaaand I guess no one wants to bring up Felicia Day being doxxed within seconds in that section... Predictable.
    • I mean, it happened.
    • Awkward. What a joke.
    • You do realise that speaking to yourself is pretty awkward, right?
    • Trying to record my thoughts here and come up with ways to make this thing work. Because right now it has flaws. I can vent if I feel like it.
    • I'm here to talk to you. I've seen your past criticisms and they were on point. Just saying that replying to yourself twice is not what you might want to be doing :^)
    • you should create a title that says felicia day and provide sources someone will write it if you do not want to
    • And if the whole point is to be UNBIAS and talk about all the incidents without preconceptions, then its kinda stupid to ignore a major event that got a lot of covereage.
    • I haven't contributed much to the Harassment section, only the intro and a some formatting. I'll create a title and a thread on the talk page. Thanks
    • Because that might be a big overlook when compared to Boogie Williams saying something, when the other is a slightly more documented thing. Like thats kinda the point of writing an unbias or noninsular account, is to talk about things that happened as sess them out.
    • I've made this, but I completely forgot about this in the talk:
      If someone is "only" doxxed, I don't think it makes the bar.  I removed Felicia Day (for now) for the same reason.  If we list everyone who was "just" doxxed, the BWC doxing alone would be 50+ people. I think if we name names, it should be people who clearly stated (and can be sourced) that they were threatened with their well-being, bodily harm, death etc.
      That's what our final statement on this was. If you have arguments for her inclusion still, please share.
    • Like its a glaring omission is the point.
    • And "narrative" shouldnt be a factor if this is intended as a legitimate thing.
    • I dont even know. But I should mention that I'm neutral and dont consider myself a "gamergater."
    • The arguement is, there are dozens and dozens of people doxxed. What makes this worthy of a special mention?
  • Why do the sections on incidents of harassment against Zoe and Anita consistently use the word "climed" while those agaisnt Milo, Boogie, and Mike use the words "stated" and "reported" exclusivly? That shows too much bias in the rhetoric being used and should be changed if this wants to be looked at as objective. Lack of consistant language and words that have specific connotations show and slant in authorship.
  • anyan revert this some idiot vanadlised the article
  • lololololololol niggers
  • Can someone tell me about the Max Temkin thing? Is it a case of Gawker libel again? If so we need another article to say that this was libel, we can't just hold up their articles and say they are bad, we need either Temkin having an interview about them or someone else commenting on it. Any help or links appreciated.
  • Would the Mighty Number 9 controversy fit in here since some of the allegations are linked to Gamergate? Perhaps under "Industry Response".
    • well technically only dina had a hand in gamergate and mhh i am not sure
    • Yeah, it's only loosely related. What about access to crowdfun bonuses being denied for supporting GamerGate? We can mention it in 1 sentence in "industry's response," implying it's reported on of course
  • I was wondering to we also want a topic "Public entitys claim aboutgamergate"? we could ad what wikileaks said what the maker of buffy said what will wheaton what tb said etc.

    It could help in showing the divide in opinions
  • whthe title "Claimed Ethical Concerns of Gamergate"? arent those valid claims according to spj?
    • I don't know who SPJ is, but I think it's best if we have most stuff as 'claimed' (though I didn't write that bit). There isn't really a lot of proof on either side, just state the claims, what info there is to support them and let people decide for themselves.
    • Wiki articles don't get to decide what's a valid claim. If another source calls the claim valid, the article can note that the claim is valid. Putting together a claim and a list of SPJ ethics guidelines to determine that a claim is valid is original research, and doesn't go on Wikipedia. Someone else has to publish it.
    • Brietbart is a source with a specific political leaning and shouldnt be seen as objective in terms of legitimate sources. It is a concervative editorial site more or less and I dont think would lend this piece much objective credibility.
    • BB is jsut jumpin on this becaue it is in line with what their authors dont like. Milo has said he hates video games many times, hes just jumping on for convenience.
  • People need to be waaaaaay more careful with what sources are used for what. On Wikipedia, sources are NOT one-size-fits-all. In PARTICULAR, blog-like sources can be used for "So-and-so claims..." but CANNOT be used for "this happened." They're getting mixed up all over the place, and Wikipedia will just tear through that.
    Second, where possible, we should avoid using Breitbart as a (solo) source. They may be getting the controversy right, but they're an overtly political website, which IS going to cause blowback regarding their neutrality, especially in the places where they've chosen to make the whole thing about gender for some stupid reason. They're better than nothing, but, at a minimum, cite them ALONGSIDE something else. Look at the things they cite. Breitbart's an easy target because of their politics and because in the past they've been involved in some dumb shit that called their credibility into question. That was a million years ago, and none of it is even remotely related to the controversy, but there's no point in making things easier for the shillhordes at Wikipedia who will be trying to tear this thing apart. (And there WILL BE SHILLHORDES). Look at the actual Wikipedia page for Breitbart. It's like 2/3 "controversies". This is not a place that Wikipedia thinks is likely to get things right. We should use better sources, and leave Breitbart as a backup or last resort.
    Also, because we DO need Breitbart as a source of facts (because MSM duped by shillhordes), we should AVOID using them as a source of opinions. ESPECIALLY don't mix things between regular articles and editorials. If we decide that an article is a fact source, it's a fact source. If it's an editorial, it's an editorial. On the whole, I'd prefer to avoid using them as a source of opinions entirely. We want the article to make it clear that they're neutral observers reporting on observable facts, not pundits with a strong POV, when it comes to the controversy at least.
    ETA: Also, I realize this is confusing, but where you can, if you're writing about X doing something, don't (only) link to X doing something, especially if you're piecing multiple things together.. Link to someone talking about X doing something. Wikipedia considers this better. Linking a bunch of things and then talking about how those things connect, even if you're just drawing blindingly obvious conclusions, can be construed as original research. Find a place where someone ELSE (not $@#$ing Breitbart, preferably, but it's better than nothing) talks about the connections between those things.
    (Also, overreliance on Breitbart as a source feeds the hateful lie that the movement is some kind of right-wing nonsense, when the exact opposite is true. That's the least of our worries, though.)
    • On Breitbart as a source:
      I wouldn't be surprised if they are blocked on credibility issues. Their problems with posting spurrious claims are as recent as this week...
    • Could you tell me what is considered a blog-like source? Cause almost all of the places talking about GG are low quality journalists working for low quality sites or at best bad quality journalists working for high quality sites. So for instance: cinemablend.com and gameranx?
      One of the reasons why there are so few sources is that we're fighting the people that should be writing about this stuff objectively. Frankly I don't know why wiki even has a GG page in the middle of the scandal.
    • Cinemablend and stuff is probably fine. It's not a matter of "high quality sites" or anything. Not every source has to be the New York Times or something. It just has to be better than Breitbart, a site with a well-documented history not only of bias, but of blatant errors clearly stemming from it. I think that a lot of the movement had never been exposed to Breitbart before Breitbart - drinking up the MSM line about GG being anti-feminist, and sensing an opportunity to take potshots - jammed their noses into this thing. They don't realize what an amateurish shitshow that place is or how awful "Breitbart really supports them" sounds to most neutral (or left-wing) observers who have any clue what's going on in that journalistic space. There are websites that are as bad and even much, much worse (often unrepentedly so) on the left, but those are irrelevant, because we're not trying to use those as fact sources.
  • 0 exp with wiki editing so  going to leave this here
    quinspiracy section or harrassment section needs a note on the  attempted/harrasment of joshua boggs and others as ive seen people asking on msm articles why the harrasment was only towards quinn if its not about misogyny
    not sure on how youd class the IRC logs as a source but they have been referenced by wehuntedthemamoth: http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt , the escapist : http://archive.today/Ler4O  and others
    a quick use of "ctrl F wife "shows the efforts made finding his wife to presumably break up his marriage appear to have stalled due to his prompt deletion of his entire online prescence, im still reading it tho.
    also in refeernece to censorship etc you might want to note the (perceived) blatant comment voting manipulation by ars technica etc, when you wade into an articles comments and can tell weather or not the comment will support the author based on the colour its flagged regardless of the actual content of the comment there.
  • what about the advertiser pullouts wouldnt the title "advertisement campain and economical effect" be more fitting?
  • i think i overrote someone due to not understanding wikia sorry whoever it was :(
  • Looks like someone's PoV-pushing and inserting garbage into the article.
  • Can we change "Quinnspiracy Scandal" to "Quinnspiracy controversy" to avoid flak?
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