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[–]teefour 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (42子コメント)

Don't forget when it benefits the Democratic party too. Call me a cynic, but in Cleveland just the other day a cop shot and killed a 12 year old black boy who was messing around with an airsoft gun in a park with his friends.

Why isn't Jackson or Sharpton over there leading protests? Why no over hyped media coverage? While the kid had removed the orange tip and was scaring other kids with it while he was playing airsoft with friends, he was only 12, and the person who called 911 said to the operator that the gun was in all likely hood fake. And there is zero evidence the kid had pointed it at the officer or anything, it was tucked in his waistband.

Brown, on the other hand, was 18, a legal adult, and had just robbed a fucking liquor store.

So what's the difference? The only one I can see is the fact that there is no longer an election coming up, so there is no longer a reason for the left and right wing media to polarize the public into voting one way or another.

[–]bleepbloop12345 -15 ポイント-14 ポイント  (41子コメント)

Brown, on the other hand, was 18, a legal adult, and had just robbed a fucking liquor store.

I always forget that it's okay to murder people when they've committed a pretty crime.

[–]DingiGonnaDingus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's ok to defend yourself when your life is threatened, however.

[–]teefour 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I never said it was ok. Neither are ok. But given that Brown had just committed a crime, and there is pretty striking evidence he had fought with a cop, I find this most recent case to be far, FAR more egregious and infuriating. And yet no Jackson or Sharpton up in Cleveland starting protests and hyping up media stories to spawn riots. That's my point.

[–]bleepbloop12345 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually Jackson and Sharpton actively attempt to prevent riots, it's a serious problem in fighting back against structural oppression. Skip to about 5 minutes into this video.

Fighting back against a cop does not justify murder.

[–]teefour 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and liquor companies show those "drink responsibly" commercials because they want people to drink responsibly.

And, again, I never said it was justified. But one situation calls for protests and round the clock media coverage far more than the other, and it certainly isn't the Brown case. In fact, this kind of shit happens all the time. Yet the Brown case is the one that suddenly got the constant, over hyped coverage? You don't find the timing and subsequent extremely blatant focus on "getting out the vote" to be the least bit suspicious?

[–]N0rthside_Donutz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (25子コメント)

No, but after attacking a cop and attempting to grap said cops sidearm...yeah, funny how you forgot to mention that part.

[–]bigassdiesel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Robbery is a felony in every state.

[–]bleepbloop12345 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

And that justifies the murder of an unarmed young man how?

[–]bigassdiesel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never said robbery justified murder. But, if you punch me in my face and try to take my service weapon, you will be shot. How hard is that to understand?

[–]bleepbloop12345 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were struggling through the window of a car. Find a single piece of hard evidence that Brown tried to take Wilson's gun.

[–]Ozymandias36 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because he immediately followed up his felony with an attempt to take the gun of a LEO?

[–]bleepbloop12345 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They were struggling through the window of a car. Find a single piece of hard evidence that Brown tried to take Wilson's gun.

[–]Ozymandias36 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Witness testimony and blood splatter on the interior of the car as well as the fact that Brown had just finished the strong-arm robbery of a liquor store and was probably antsy about any contact with the police.

[–]bleepbloop12345 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Witness testimony

Citation needed. What witnesses, what testimony.

blood splatter on the interior of the car

Indicates nothing more than the fact that they were very close. Which is explained by the fact that they were struggling.

Brown had just finished the strong-arm robbery of a liquor store and was probably antsy about any contact with the police.

Circumstantial and just plain nasty. Strong-armed robbery is one thing, murder is another ball park.

[–]Ozymandias36 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1371232-interview-witness-10.html

Witness saying there was a large struggle in the car consistent with Brown going after the gun and that there were shots fired in the car. Admittedly this only proves there was a struggle but what would the struggle have been if not Brown going for Wilson's gun. It just doesn't make sense. All the other witnesses confirm that there was a struggle through the window before the first shot. If Wilson had been the first to draw the gun there would have been no struggle just a shot.

Circumstantial and just plain nasty.

Logical. If someone just finished committing a felony they are going to be frazzled if a cop stops and starts talking to and examining them.

[–]bleepbloop12345 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You admit yourself that all any of the witness statements prove is that there was a struggle. I'm not denying that. I am denying that there is any evidence suggesting that Brown attempted to seize Wilson's gun.

Why would they struggle? I honestly don't know. There have been a vast number of reports of police racism and brutality, perhaps Brown snapped at something Wilson said or did and attacked him. Perhaps Wilson attempted to grab Brown, or the box of cigars he had stolen.

There is no logical explanation for Brown attempting to seize Wilson's gun and murder him. People don't just do that on a whim, or for kicks. He would have been well aware he would have spent the rest of his life in prison if he had.

I get frazzled sometimes. It doesn't make me want to kill a policeman.

[–]TwiceAgainThrice 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's extremely twisting what OP said to find a way to dismiss it.

Both situations are awful, but I believe, and OP can correct me, that he means from a big issue, PR standpoint, the public would be way more likely to see that 12-year-old in an innocent victim light.

A 12-year-old being shot because of a toy gun is sad and did not deserve to die. A man who dies solely from committing a petty crime is sad and he does not deserve to die.