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Crunchyroll Streaming Service Has 400,000 Paid Subscribers Listed (animenewsnetwork.com)

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[–]EmberCats 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (83子コメント)

Congratulations to them. I still fucking hate them, their CEO, and their service, but congrats anyway.

Edit: Apparently saying I fucking hate CR gets upvoted but giving reasons as to why I pirate get downvoted. Get your priorities straight /r/anime, Jesus Christ. You're literally upvoting blind hatred (looking at only this comment) but downvoting any actual reasons as to why one might pirate. Remember guys, downvotes aren't disagree buttons, they're supossed to say "This shit doesn't contribute to the discussion nor is it a quality post." Downvote this if you're going to downvote anything, not me explaining why I pirate. I get you don't like fucking pirating, but abusing the downvote system just kills discussion.

[–]FilipinoSpartanhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Mermigas 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (80子コメント)

Would you like to elaborate on why?

[–]EmberCats 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (77子コメント)

I find their streaming quality subpar and would rather download the videos illegally for better quality, I hate the fact that they were originally a site that ripped fansubs and then made money off them, and their CEO acted like a childish little shitter during the AMA and deleted a shit load of his comments.

[–]shadow_fox09 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Bro, they charge six dollars a month for legally licensed anime. How much do you expect? I would much rather pay to support shows I love and see a broader spectrum of shows brought to the U.S. Yeah they have a few issues here and there, but show me a better option for that cheap- not counting stealing.

I'm all for pirating stuff for a trial basis- don't get me wrong. But if you like stuff, buy it legally or support the artist however you can. Don't complain about quality of shit if you only ever leach off people.

[–]EmberCats 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (41子コメント)

When I want to support a show I'll just buy a BD set or a figure and do the worth of literally hundreds of subscribers.

[–]shadow_fox09 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Which is great!! But not all of us can afford the blu ray releases. That's why I stream through crunchyroll.

Different strokes for different folks, right? :)

[–]A_SaltyRockhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Bevelled-Edge 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why not both?

[–]dgforce 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Why give money to someone that doesn't take steps towards actually improving their service?

[–]A_SaltyRockhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Bevelled-Edge 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (13子コメント)

To support legal distribution?

[–]EmberCats 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd rather wait until they get a hint and then support quality legal distribution. Until then I'll just support the creators and put up with waiting for fansubs.

[–]sand500http://myanimelist.net/animelist/sand500 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Netflix used to have a really good anime library but I guess a bunch of their licenses expired so now their anime library is pretty empty.

[–]Tanieloneshot 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you referring to the blog post with the guy that fails 5th grade math and was completely guessing how much CR was paying for licensing? The one where he was trying to prove it was better for the industry if everyone pirated the shows but then bought an action figure? Seriously if you want to pirate that is fine by me, but don't try to propagate the idea that it is ok because you bought a doll.

[–]Braddigan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sidenote: you need to buy individual Blu-ray volumes to make a significant impact. If I'm not mistaken sets fall under re-releases and don't get counted into the significant numbers. Go for volumes and you'll make a studio proud.

[–]myosz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I also think that buying the BD supports the makers even more and directly than getting a CR subscription. I don't understand why this gets downvoted.

[–]EmberCats 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably two main reasons.

1) I pull "literally hundreds" out of my ass because I like how it sounded. Realistically (and this is just a ballpark guess) the number is more like a BD purchase would net the same profit as 10-20 subscribers, depending on the show. It would give more influence towards another season though.

2) People fucking hate anything defending piracy because "Y-y-your killin muh animu man"

[–]myosz -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're completly right and I totally support that. This is one way to support anime (IMO probably the most efficient) and I don't get why you deserve hate for a reasonable opinion. As I stated before in the comments, you seem to support the anime industry even more than most people so keep up what you're doing.

[–]guest13 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly, with a few exceptions... Netflix has been stepping up their anime game lately to be nearly on-par with crunchyroll.

Edit; I do have issue with the quality / speed of the service, esp on my appleTV. But until I hard wire my desktop and appleTV I can't rule out my own network playing a role in my stream quality issues.

[–]shadow_fox09 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When Netflix stopped everything as dubs only and started offering a choice between subs and dubs is when Netflix became a contender.

If they keep up what they have now, they'll easily take over the market i a few years.

[–]Indekkusu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Netflix is far behind CR when it comes to simulcasts, they haven't managed to simulcast a single show yet.

[–]shunkwugga 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Netflix is a comparable price and their service is amazing. Crunchyroll is downright terrible as a service platform. Piracy is a service issue, especially in this case. When i can get a better product through piracy (and in most cases i can with regards to anime) then something is very wrong with the paid alternative. The only place i actually watch anime i didnt pirate is through Netflix because, again, their service platform is great.

[–]FilipinoSpartanhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Mermigas 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I can't really speak to the rest of that, but what makes you say their streaming quality is subpar?

[–]EmberCats 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (14子コメント)

More than anything it's the subs. I find they are either mistimed or have bad translations far more than I would like, and I know I can find a better quality fansub elsewhere.

[–]FilipinoSpartanhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Mermigas 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Fair enough. I do think the subs have gotten much better, though. Poor translations are a lot less common than they used to be. There's the odd typo now and then that I notice, but that can happen to any team. They could definitely work on their typesetting, though.

If a better streaming service came out, I'd definitely at least consider switching, but Crunchyroll is fine enough for me at the moment. And it's nice to know that at least something is going back to the industry, small though it may be.

[–]niea_http://myanimelist.net/animelist/niea_ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

My one gripe with CR is the users that are just content with what they get. It disincentivizes progress and signals they don't need to improve the things they could easily improve (like bitstarving the videos). I would love to pay for a service like CR if they actually gave a fuck about video quality, but sadly the users are content with what they get.

[–]FilipinoSpartanhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Mermigas 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Crucify me on this if you want, but I really don't find the differences in video quality all that major for most shows. Effects-heavy series like Fate, sure, but for the most part it doesn't make a big difference. Could it be improved? Sure, but I'd like to see improvement elsewhere more.

[–]niea_http://myanimelist.net/animelist/niea_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The biggest difference is banding. Banding is absolutely horrible to look at. Blocks fucking everywhere and all dark scenes look like shit because of it. Another thing is TS. The lack of it is just plain annoying. Text clutters up the screen too much when things like infocards or attack names (like in Kill la Kill) are on screen. And a ton of signs are just left untranslated. I'm not too annoyed by the subs themselves, because most fansubs are just slight edits anyway.

[–]ShureNensei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While CR definitely may not have the best of translations, I've found that anyone strongly complaining about it likely doesn't have the proficiency in Japanese to make such a claim or would be better off just watching the raws if they do. Hell, I've taken Japanese for a few years and watched a ton of anime and it very rarely gets to the point of actually bothering me.

I can't remember the last timing issue I've come across (because that really does bother me), but typesetting is definitely an area of needed improvement. I agree with both sides on video quality, though I'm not as much of a stickler as some.

[–]Apptendohttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Apptendo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have seen much worse with fansubs but they were of older anime and I would rather not download everything and save it for anime that is not on Crunchyroll/Netflix.

[–]WawaSC 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's the latest subbed episode you've seen over there at CR?

[–]westerschwelle -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also they don't bother with proper typesetting.

[–]ifonefoxhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/ifonefox -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have found that sometimes their "1080p" is just upscaled 720p.

[–]Morialkarhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/lunarius 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They work with the video the production company provide. If the production company provide them with a 720p because that's also what they provide to TV station, or if what they give is upscaled 720p, they can't remake the whole anime can't they?

[–]Tyrosian 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very few anime series are produced in native 1080p the only one I'm sure was made in true HD was k-on the movie.

So 1080p is always just up-scaled 720p

[–]niea_http://myanimelist.net/animelist/niea_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not "sometimes", it almost always is. And that makes sense because there is no native 1080p version. There are a few exceptions though.

[–]Noahi -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The South African 720p experience™ is what killed it for me. ignore the straylan

[–]arimasu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When even their 1080p "HD" streams looks like this, I think 'subpar' is a rather mild expression to use. The artifacting and banding on low contrast areas is utterly horrendous and action scenes with lot of movement aren't much better. 3Mbps just isn't enough for 1080p with hardware player compatible encoding.

(That's a somewhat old example, though, and I don't know if they've upped their bitrates lately.)

[–]kZard -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally, I can download direct rips of their streams at 1080p faster than I watch it. Their player keeps lagging though, and I can barely watch 720p.

[–]Zuxicovphttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/zuxicovp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish they put effort into their apps. Most of the apps are a one and done, they never update them, never increase the quality

[–]White_sama 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is my only problem with CR. I still pay a subscription to support the anime industry in the west, but usually I'd rather download fansubs to get better quality, local copies, and sometimes faster releases.

[–]wilkiag -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol the irony

yeah stealing shit from someone else is pretty fucking low. glad you think so.....

[–]EmberCats -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The difference between my "stealing" as you call it doesn't generate millions of dollars in profit at the expense of fans who are working hard to help others enjoy something. I don't charge people to watch fansubs that I link them to, I don't use those profits I don't get from the charging I don't do to start an entire business, get the large portion of contracts to a form of media, and then use that psuedo-monopoly to try to drive the groups that I originally leeched off of to extinction. I don't hold a monopoly of something I essentially obtained from stealing. I don't use that monopoly as a reason to not strive for approval. I don't use the scripts I don't get early to make translations that are still wrong.

Those are all things Crunchyroll does. Not me. I might be a pirate, but they're a pirate who stole a fleet of ships from their allies and then used them to sink those who I stole from.

[–]wilkiag 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeap millions in pure profit.....

also, justify all you want. you are still stealing and calling someone out one doing the same. you are taking money out of the shows pocket and still not paying the subs, crunchyroll (if they still do it) was taking money out if the subs pocket and paying the shows.

[–]FelixTheMotherfuckernoitamin A is essential to healthy growth! -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My main beef with CR is that it's not worth it if you don't live in the right countries. Fucking territorial restrictions.

[–]dgforce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Poor subs(Other, higher quality fansubs are available.) and their streamer is a pile of shit that constantly freezes regardless of what browser or system I choose to use. I've tried to like CR, but these are things that I just can't get over. I'd rather watch older shows on Netflix and deal with their gaudy yellow fonts with an actual stable player, than deal with all the freezing on CR. Things like 'artifacting' I guess you could call it too are not nearly as prevalent with downloaded files as they are on streamed through CR.

[–]ShureNensei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a DNS or traceroute issue if the problem occurs independent of your system.

I've read about similar cases from other users, and if it's the latter, you're almost completely out of luck. Other than changing your DNS servers, contacting your ISP, or maybe trying a VPN, I'm not sure what else you could do, since CR will likely not do anything to help.

[–]GreenArrowCuz -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea i know longer subscribe because of the shit their servers took when fate/stay night ubw launched, i couldn't watch anything that entire saturday