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[–]wpadmin -9 ポイント-8 ポイント  (42子コメント)

"People are equally entitled to live in the neighborhood of their choice." People, not corporations.

[–]Jurby 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (39子コメント)

I don't think anyone really gives two shits about the fact that Amazon owns some buildings. The grievance is about the employees and the culture the employees are bringing with them, not about Amazon itself.

[–]Tangpo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Honest question, what specifically about the Amazon culture affects a neighborhood?

[–]Shadycat -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think Amazon is seen as importing cultureless Midwestern brogrammers and driving up rents. I think there's a certain amount of truth to the latter. I don't know about the former.

[–]Dee503 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What exactly is a "midwestern brogrammer?"

[–]pumpkincatCapitol Hill 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hey, as a Midwestern non programmer who moved here for reasons not at all relating to Amazon, I resent this (not you, the attitude you are describing). I'm from Michigan, we have contributed shit tons to American culture, also, we aren't at all used to your high rents. I moved here from a significantly bigger apartment in Kalamazoo that cost me $500 a month to a tiny studio in Cap hill for $1000. I love it here, I love the different culture of the PNW and the gorgeous outdoor opportunities of Seattle... but man, leave the elitism to the East Coast.

[–]yourbasicnerd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you bring any of the UP pasty recipes with you? The PNW could use a place that sells those!

[–]Shadycat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gentrification is a bitch. And yes, I was describing an attitude, not one I necessarily agree with. I'm a transplant myself. I moved from Boston back in 98. I do have a certain amount of sympathy with those who resent the influx though. I went to college in rural Ohio and that experience made me swear I'd never live more than twenty miles from saltwater again. I also watched a similar process occur in Harvard square, Cambridge MA. When I was a kid there were funky holdouts from earlier decades that were then replaced by Pier One Imports, Crate and Barrel, Chase bank etc. I see the same thing happening on the hill. Affordable places replaced by the precious and tiny, overpriced apartments. So I suppose I'm guilty of a type of reverse snobbery. It just seems that wealthy people destroy everything cool by their mere presence. Hopefully they'll want big houses in the burbs again soon.

[–]801_chanMaple Leaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Big cities do elitism like coke. And Seattle has some of the highest rent in the world; you really shouldn't have moved here if you're shocked and dismayed by that.

[–]pumpkincatCapitol Hill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not at all shocked by the rent prices, just shocked someone would blame it on Midwesterners. I could see Californians, they are used to high cost of housing, but Midwesterners are pretty cheep.

[–]801_chanMaple Leaf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, don't get us started on Californians. Please. That rant will go on until we're all in senior homes.

[–]DWR2k3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That rant was STARTED when the people in senior homes still had jobs.

[–]yourbasicnerd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, Californians were the seattle whipping boy of the 90s. We gotta keep it fresh...

[–]robertguiscard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seattle has some of the highest rent in the world.

What makes you think this? Just off the top of my head, it seems like there are a lot of cities that probably have higher rent than seattle: New York, San Francisco, Hong Kong, Singapore, Perth, Sydney, Tokyo, Osaka, London, Moscow, Paris, Monaco, etc...

[–]cheetoX 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah screw those Irish and their weird culture (weird meaning not the same as mine). America never should've allowed immigrants in the first place. Oh wait, were we talking about a different group of transplants?

Let's face it, Seattle's reaction to having a large number of "foreign" people move in is nothing new. Now you just have to decide if your reaction is on the right side or wrong side of history.

[–]HugsAllCatsRedmond 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Can you separate 'the culture the employees are bringing with them' from 'Amazon itself' though?

Amazon is bringing those people there, and instilling certain values and behaviors in people (or enhancing certain people's natural inclination to those behaviors).

Without Amazon, some of those people and behaviors would end up in those neighborhoods, but the theory is that it wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of destruction as it is with the Amazon nexus.

[–]oussan 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sounds suspiciously similar to arguments made in years gone by about racially integrated housing.

This time it may not be about race, but it sounds like it's still the same parochial "not in my backyard" attitude.

Change is hard.

Edit: Less snarky and condescending... maybe.

[–]johannsebastianspock 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how many times I've heard a financially privileged class of people in this city, whose presence nobody can actually do anything about, compare their situation to black integration because some people don't like them.

[–]HugsAllCatsRedmond 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Change is hard" is a weak and condescending response.

Very little gets accomplished by "change is hard" "deal with it" "get over it" "just move on"...

[–]oussan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry, I was attempting to be humorous (fail) and didn't realize I sounded condescending, and I have no interest in promoting a "get over it" mentality (I have no dog in this fight). I was really much more interested in the parallels between the attitude surrounding Amazon's move into the neighborhood and similar attitudes that we have seen throughout history, whether black integration in the south, or white flight from inner cities, or Hispanics in the job market. I mean, if it was just about some big company knocking down buildings to run Ma and Pop out of town that is one thing, but you and others in this thread are talking about culture. That's much bigger than a brick and mortar building or even a campus of buildings.

[–]HugsAllCatsRedmond 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, your comparison is certainly a valid one.

[–]george_grobyDowntown -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weaselly ways of saying, "Fuck you, I've got mine!"

[–]magwayen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm not sure it is about the employees and culture. My friend's family was pushed out of their home of 30 years because Amazon wanted that land. I think it's partly about that.

[–]InnerChutzpah 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (4子コメント)

My friend's family was pushed out of their home of 30 years because Amazon wanted that land. I think it's partly about that.

Wow you use some loaded language here.

  1. "pushed" What do you mean by pushed? Amazon corporate police force literally physically coerced them out of their private property, no.
  2. "their home" Did they own or rent? If they rented, then no it was never their home. They lived there, but it was not theirs. That is part of the trade-off of renting. Flexibility and lack of liability in exchange for lack of ownership. If they owned, then I am assuming that they sold it.

So, where was the coercion here? Either (1) they were renters and got priced out of the market, which is a well known trade-off when you rent, or (2) they sold the property by choice.

[–]nexted 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't all of this land acquisition and construction actually Vulcan? Amazon buys/rents buildings from them, but they haven't actually built anything in SLU. Their first foray into building their own stuff seems to be the Denny Triangle projects.

[–]magwayen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll not actually sure. My friend said there was a community meeting with Amazon reps. But maybe? Now that I'm thinking about it more, I realize I'll not very knowledgeable about this o.O

[–]sangandongo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Or lack of culture, as it were. These sterile restaurants and crappy apartments are NOT what Seattle was... ten years from now, it'll be just like Los Angeles. Hoo-fuckin-ra.

[–]eyesonjuneCrown Hill 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You know, us older farts said the same thing in the 80's. I think your estimate is as off as was ours. It's history repeating itself. The same thing was also said in the 60's when all those shit apartments got built for the world's fair.

[–]sangandongo -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Perhaps, but I would bet you anything that the construction on these new ones doesn't hold a candle to the old cement World Fair apartments.

[–]Ma1eficent 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having rented one of those old cement world fair apartments, I can tell you that nothing I've lived in previously, or ever since was as shoddily put together. The hot water heater was under the kitchen counter. It lasted long enough to wash your hands. It's a shame the place isn't flammable, because it should be burnt to the ground.

[–]801_chanMaple Leaf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Building standards go up as time passes. A tenement today would have been a palace to a poor family, back in the 20s.

[–]eyesonjuneCrown Hill 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is that seattle has always had these booms, four in fact over the last 20 years. While this boom is the biggest it's been pretty consistent with the population growth in Seattle for the last 50 years.

[–]feedleDefected to Portland 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly, no. Los Angeles was a beautiful city once, full of art deco and art nouveau architecture and a sense of grand design. Even as late as the beginnings of the freeway era there was efforts to keep that* but as LA grew faster than any other city ever had before in history that was lost.

But even today LA still has some character left. It's not all strip malls. You're thinking of Orange County.

Such goes the way of progress. The argument could be made that the 1962 World's Fair was the single most destructive element of "Old Seattle" architecture, as the Space Age designs it inspired were copied all over Seattle. Pre-1962 Seattle looked a lot different than people think it did.

The death of "uniqueness" in cities was in the 1960s. Believe me, they can't do anything worse today than what has already been lost, short of tearing down the Needle.

* Did you know that the Four Level Interchange in LA was originally supposed to have a Greco-Roman themed design? .. with grand columns supporting arched freeway ramps. Up until the earthquake retrofits on the modern era there was still bits and pieces of that). The East Los Angeles Interchange's original design called for two large statues of Raphael and Gabriel (archangels) supporting one of the upper decks on their wings.. sadly, that design was scrapped.

[–]slack90 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not if it is zoned commercial use.

[–]SaddamBinLaden -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, corporations are treated as people, by law. Privileged people.