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[–]The_Dark__Knight[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

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Whatever, that whole reply was laughable. Couldn't take a single JL member down in a direct encounter, thanks for that, I wasn't aware.

Plus, the only person you listed that batman couldn't take out was Black Panther. He's taken out every single DC character you listed more or less with ease, asides from Deathstroke, who the one time he actually beat him was basically a dead man walking.

[–]Wallzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

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Whatever, that whole reply was laughable. Couldn't take a single JL member down in a direct encounter, thanks for that, I wasn't aware.

Then what are you talking about, him being above street level?

Plus, the only person you listed that batman couldn't take out was Black Panther.

That's pretty funny considering:

  • Bruce has nothing in his standard gear that can take down Wolverine, who is fast enough to react to Bruce and Bruce has nothing in his belt that can take down Wolvie. Nerve strikes, like we've talked about, don't work on Wolverine. Stealth also doesn't work on Wolverine considering he could smell Bruce.

  • Spider-Man is stronger, faster and more agile than Bruce and has shown that he has stalemated and gained the upper hand on people of Bruce's skill level (Black Panther).

  • Cap's shield and hand to hand skill allows him to counter any equipment that Bruce has and would probably be enough to KO or kill Bruce considering he's used his shield to bust through a wall that it would have taken a particle beam a minute to go through.

  • Iron Fist has enough striking power to take Bruce out in a hit, and has shown reflexes that rival and one up Bruce's.

  • Bronze Tiger has beaten Bruce once and gained the upper hand on Bruce even when Bruce had prepped for their fight until they were interrupted. I'm unaware of when Bruce beat BT with "ease".

  • Lady Shiva is considered Bronze Tiger's "boss" and BT has stated that it would require the entire group to take Shiva down. The one time Bruce HIMSELF has actually beaten Shiva was in Public Enemies with a One Hit KO, which is pretty shit writing and makes Shiva job to Bruce. I'm aware Shiva's been taken down by people considered Bruce's lesser, but Bruce hasn't taken her on in a one on one confrontation without Shiva having to job like she did in Public Enemies.

  • Deathstroke beat Batman in a direct confrontation without any factors that I'm aware of. Then there is that fight where Deathstroke leaves Bruce for no reason other than WIS because he had two chances to actually KILL Bruce but didn't. Then there is that time that you like posting where Deathstroke says that "Bruce was the better man" which is weird considering that Deathstroke had already beaten before then.

So yeah, Bruce is Street Level.

[–]The_Dark__Knight[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

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Probably not going to reply anymore after this, since you have no real points, but I have nothing better to do so

  • Stealth would definitely work. With Bruce's suit and control of his body, Wolverine wouldn't "smell" him. Bruce has hidden from the entire Justice League in the Watchtower, and nobody found him, not even Supes or MM. Plus, he could use knock out gases, some sort of freezing agent, a device to keep him knocked out, super-handcuffs.

  • Oh really, he's stronger and faster? Wow, that sounds like. . . oh wait, everyone Batman has ever fought ever. Doesn't really matter, if we're playing the "oh well he's beaten someone even stronger", Batman has fought people who outclass Spiderman in literally every way. Plus, stealth

  • Bruce could get the shield away, and after a long fight would get the upper hand on Cap once he starts getting bored. Plus, stealth.

  • The only thing he's shown, is that when he takes a ton of time to concentrate and focus he can land a devastating hit. Nothing more, you MIGHT have an argument if he actually caught that sniper bullet, but I have yet to see it was actually from a sniper.

  • BT might be the better martial artist, but that won't mean anything. BT has never won when Batman was actually using his full arsenal, or there hasn't been a fight that I'm aware of at least. BT has only barely been able to get the best of Bruce, pretty sure any instances of this happening were a long time ago though, plus Bruce never used his full loadout.

  • Doesn't matter who's boss is who, or what any character stated. The only thing in your post here that is worth anything is "Bruce one hit KOing Shiva", plus, its not shit writing at all. Bruce dodged every hit and one hit her, keep in mind he is literally so much stronger than her and she is only a girl.

  • Yeah he did once, you're right. But after he said that it was the closest fight he'd ever fought, and was basically near death. A random guy was able to beat him up right after, and Deathstroke had to rest for ~a week despite his healing factor.

You don't have any points, this isn't a trading card game where if one enemy is stronger they automatically win. Bruce is always going against people stronger since he doesn't have powers, so the argument kind of means nothing. None of these fights would be a stomp, the only one Bruce might could lose is vs. Spidey.

I actually hate debating with you about Batman, you call literally everything PIS or something, think that someone being stronger/faster is an auto win, and everything else that could be irradiating, one day you'll realize the consistency in his feats. Stop hating on Batman, he isn't a Bat-god but he isn't the pushover you insist that he is.

[–]Wallzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

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Stealth would definitely work. With Bruce's suit and control of his body, Wolverine wouldn't "smell" him. Bruce has hidden from the entire Justice League in the Watchtower, and nobody found him, not even Supes or MM. Plus, he could use knock out gases, some sort of freezing agent, a device to keep him knocked out, super-handcuffs.

Why would Bruce resort to stealth immediately against one dude? Especially if it's a random encounter. That's not normal for Bruce, and if Bruce makes it out the first fight they have and hides, Logan then can track him using his scent, something Bruce wouldn't know about. Bruce has extensive knowledge on how to hide from the JL because he knows them very well. He doesn't know Logan.

Oh really, he's stronger and faster? Wow, that sounds like. . . oh wait, everyone Batman has ever fought ever. Doesn't really matter, if we're playing the "oh well he's beaten someone even stronger", Batman has fought people who outclass Spiderman in literally every way. Plus, stealth

I don't think you understand my reasoning behind Spider-Man beating Bruce. You think that I think that strength is the only thing that matters. However, as I've said, Spidey HAS fought people that are on Bruce's level of skill. Not only that, but no regular attack by Bruce would work against Spidey because of his Spider-Sense, which for some reason you think that Bruce can block because he's blocked MM's TP, a completely different thing. Stealth is rendered useless the same way. Once again this fight could go differently if Bruce actually knew Spidey, but he doesn't.

Bruce could get the shield away, and after a long fight would get the upper hand on Cap once he starts getting bored. Plus, stealth.

COULD being the key word, but Cap isn't reckless. And another case of why would Bruce use stealth to take out one guy?

The only thing he's shown, is that when he takes a ton of time to concentrate and focus he can land a devastating hit. Nothing more, you MIGHT have an argument if he actually caught that sniper bullet, but I have yet to see it was actually from a sniper.

Even without that feat, Danny still has plenty of other feats of him being just as fast as Bruce. And then there is that feat of him reaching a gun man before the bullet can reach the barrel. And once again, Danny isn't exactly taking out a train here, he's taking on a human being, he won't need to charge it up that much.

BT might be the better martial artist, but that won't mean anything. BT has never won when Batman was actually using his full arsenal, or there hasn't been a fight that I'm aware of at least. BT has only barely been able to get the best of Bruce, pretty sure any instances of this happening were a long time ago though, plus Bruce never used his full loadout.

Oh yeah, you're right about this actually. BT is the better Hand to Hand fighter, but other than that Bruce would win. Fair enough.

Doesn't matter who's boss is who, or what any character stated. The only thing in your post here that is worth anything is "Bruce one hit KOing Shiva", plus, its not shit writing at all. Bruce dodged every hit and one hit her, keep in mind he is literally so much stronger than her and she is only a girl.

Shiva absolutely jobbed to Bruce that fight, but once again fair enough. Shiva is the better H2H fighter but she loses to Bruce with the full arsenal.

Yeah he did once, you're right. But after he said that it was the closest fight he'd ever fought, and was basically near death. A random guy was able to beat him up right after, and Deathstroke had to rest for ~a week despite his healing factor.

Which random guy? But okay, it's a good fight.

You don't have any points, this isn't a trading card game where if one enemy is stronger they automatically win.

I don't understand why you think I think that strength is all there is to it. I have multiple reasons as to why people can match and beat Bruce not just strength. Wolvie wins because Bruce can't KO him, Cap wins because he has the shield, Danny wins because he can match Bruce's speed, his skill is lower than Bruce's but not by much, and he is able to use his Chi as a healing factor and can use chi blasts. Other than Spidey who also has the speed thing going for him, plus the webbing that can immobilize/blind Bruce, I have other points.

Bruce is always going against people stronger since he doesn't have powers, so the argument kind of means nothing. None of these fights would be a stomp, the only one Bruce might could lose is vs. Spidey.

Never said they would be a stomp.

actually hate debating with you about Batman, you call literally everything PIS or something

Oh come on man, you know that's not true. I call you out on the bullshit things like Bruce outreacting Darkseid and stuff, other than that I haven't randomly shouted PIS at other things.

think that someone being stronger/faster is an auto win

When that character has fought people on Batman's skill level and beaten them, it feels like a good enough reason, not to mention the webbing which I seem to stupidly not bring up.

Stop hating on Batman,

Oh... Oh that's stone cold.

Let's see:

I own 12 of the recommended readings in this subreddit. Not enough? I own the Batman Animated Series on DVD (It was a gift, but I loved it nonetheless. I'll buy the Blu Ray eventually too). Same with Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. Mask of the Phantasm? Handed down to me. Return of the Joker? Under the Red Hood? Year One? The Dark Knight Returns? Mine. Nolan Trilogy? Mine. Arkham Asylum and City? Mine.

he isn't the pushover you insist that he is.

How is losing to top tier street leveler's considered "Push Over"?

EDIT - And to give you an idea of how much I love Spider-Man/Wolverine/Captain America/Iron Fist:

I own the Immortal Iron Fist omnibus. That's as far as my Iron Fist reading goes.

I collected all of Slott's run via trades and will eventually buy The Spectacular Spider-Man whenever that comes out, but besides that, that's it.

I have read some Wolverine trades here and there, but that is it. Oh, and I watched X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-men.

Captain America? Nothing. Besides Avengers: EMH, and the movies, nothing.

[–]The_Dark__Knight[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

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Once they fight, if he thinks he can't take Logan he'll just dispensary and resort to stealth. Plus, Bruce's deduction skills are top tier, he'd deduce something that could help him, I might not be able to think of what, but that doesn't mean he could. Also, plenty of people in DC have enhanced perceptions, he's known for being prepared, he'd just assume that Logan had some superpowered way of finding him, but he would already have defense for it.

I can use the same argument here, he might have fought people with Bruce's skill, but not someone with Bruce's skill + everything else he has. Holy shit though, spidersense doesn't mean anything. He's gotten hit by bullets before (ahem, Punisher), and if they're fighting face to face spidersense won't alert Peter of anything he can't see for himself. He also won't be going as hard as he can, and Bruce will be looking to take him down quick, he'll probably use nerve strikes.

Who knows, maybe he'll prove too tough and Bruce won't sweat it, he'll just disappear and 1 shot him.

Agreed, he's just as fast as Bruce. Bruce has dodged sniper rounds that have came from behind him, they're just as fast. IF has his chi that needs to be charged, Bruce has his far superior fighting skill and gadgets. IF probably won't hit him with Chi because Bruce will either disappear, or go hard trying to evade it. Odds are against Danny here.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsdstroke-ds9.jpg

Just some random guy, there are a two other scans but it doesn't matter.

Bruce doesn't need to KO wolverine, just restrain him. Plus he can KO him for a few seconds with a nerve strike, which definitely work. Also, Bruce has landed a kick that made Darkseid bleed, so who knows, maybe with the right hit he could get lucky and KO logan. Caps shield gets canceled out with Bruce's gadgets, suit, intellect, and small edge in fighting skill. You said Danny only wins because of chi, but stealth, the suit, intellect, and fighting skill once again give Bruce the benefit of the doubt.

Nobody other than Spiderman can really beat Bruce. I think Spiderman has a 4, maybe 5/10 chance of beating Bruce. In no way do I think Bruce beats him every time/is a stomp.

Doesn't matter if people have beaten others' on Batman's skill level. Batman skill level in combination with the countless other things are what makes him formidable.

I don't even care, you hate Batman. Just stop, just give in already, give him the love he deserves.

[–]Wallzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

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Once they fight, if he thinks he can't take Logan he'll just dispensary and resort to stealth. s, Bruce's deduction skills are top tier, he'd deduce something that could help him, I might not be able to think of what, but that doesn't mean he could. Also, plenty of people in DC have enhanced perceptions, he's known for being prepared, he'd just assume that Logan had some superpowered way of finding him, but he would already have defense for it.

What makes you think that Logan would just let him go? Or that Logan wouldn't end the fight then and there and straight up stab him? Also, Enhanced perceptions aren't = to Logan's senses. He can't deduce that Logan is all of a sudden going to smell him out.

I can use the same argument here, he might have fought people with Bruce's skill, but not someone with Bruce's skill + everything else he has. Holy shit though, spidersense doesn't mean anything. He's gotten hit by bullets before (ahem, Punisher), and if they're fighting face to face spidersense won't alert Peter of anything he can't see for himself. He also won't be going as hard as he can, and Bruce will be looking to take him down quick, he'll probably use nerve strikes.

So all of a sudden a small skill edge is going to make Bruce just destroy Spidey? What? Holy shit though, Spider-Sense is a huge factor. Punisher had extensive knowledge on Spidey, as well as being a extremely accurate shot. Why would Spidey in his right mind fight face to face? He's always been shown to consistently move around in his fights, not stand in one position. Bruce doesn't jump straight up Nerve Strikes, he usually tries something different before going there. Not to mention that would mean keeping Spidey in a single position.

he'll just disappear and 1 shot him

-_-

Agreed, he's just as fast as Bruce. Bruce has dodged sniper rounds that have came from behind him, they're just as fast. IF has his chi that needs to be charged, Bruce has his far superior fighting skill and gadgets. IF probably won't hit him with Chi because Bruce will either disappear, or go hard trying to evade it. Odds are against Danny here.

I strictly remember Bruce being unable to dodge a sniper bullet when he was holding Freeze. And I don't remember Bruce being able to dodge sniper bullets from behind him.Danny's chi doesn't need to be charged though, he just needs to draw it. He chooses how hard he wants to hit, ever since the upgrade he got.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvsdstroke-ds9.jpg

I feel like that isn't just ANY normal guy.

Bruce doesn't need to KO wolverine, just restrain him.

Bruce doesn't have anything in his NORMAL equipment that could restrain Wolverine.

Plus he can KO him for a few seconds with a nerve strike, which definitely work

We've talked about this, no it doesn't.

Also, Bruce has landed a kick that made Darkseid bleed, so who knows, maybe with the right hit he could get lucky and KO logan

This, this is the shit that I call you out on. That's straight PIS.

Caps shield gets canceled out with Bruce's gadgets, suit, intellect, and small edge in fighting skill.

Cap's shield cancels out Bruce's gadgets and suit. Cap's tactical knowledge is just as good as Bruce's.

You said Danny only wins because of chi, but stealth, the suit, intellect, and fighting skill once again give Bruce the benefit of the doubt.

Danny can detect people using his chi I believe, and the suit won't help when Danny's punches have shattered steel. The intellect is a edge, yes, but one punch would do serious harm to Bruce.

Doesn't matter if people have beaten others' on Batman's skill level. Batman skill level in combination with the countless other things are what makes him formidable.

Black Panther has even better equipment than Bruce, and Spidey has fought him.

I don't even care, you hate Batman. Just stop, just give in already, give him the love he deserves

I don't know if this is a joke or not.

[–]The_Dark__Knight[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

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Doesn't matter, Batman could ESCAPE from Logan, you must agree there. What makes you think Batman wouldn't already be expecting Logan to do that? He would probably deduce he is the Wolverine, with his stature, rage, strength, and would deduce he has a good sense of smell.

The thing is, Bruce on average is much more ruthless. So Spidey swings around and wise cracks, tries to web Bruce, whatever. Eventually Bruce will see that Spidey has immense strength, either by deducing it from his knowledge about spiders, or by getting hit (when Spidey isn't going 100 percent). The second he realizes the threat (which will be fast), he will look to take him out, and nerve strikes will be his last reosrt when he realizes Spidey is too quick to land a good punch.

Nope, Bruce dodged the sniper bullet that came from behind him. It DEFINITELY happened, I don't know if you still don't trust me but I'll find the scan if you want me to.

It is.

Maybe he does. Knock out gas, super hand cuffs, freezing agents. Batman carries a ton of stuff on him. They would.

Is it though? He's pretty consistent, and thats all that matters. Definitely not PIS, at least in comparison with a lot of the feats we've agreed upon in the discussion.

No, its not. Bruce is so much smarter, and then his stealth.

Bruce has evaded every person in the book who can "sense" people. Stealth is one of his main attributes, its a major strength, every other character can "sense" people, it wouldn't work on him. Bruce has shown extreme striking power as well, it doesn't matter. Danny won't be throwing train punches left and right, and Bruce will put him down with a strong hit/nerve strike as fast as he can when he sees his speed and skill.

Dont even care, BP would demolish Spidey, if Spidey has ever won/given a really good fight thats horse shit in its purest form.

Its a joke.

[–]Wallzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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Doesn't matter, Batman could ESCAPE from Logan, you must agree there. What makes you think Batman wouldn't already be expecting Logan to do that? He would probably deduce he is the Wolverine, with his stature, rage, strength, and would deduce he has a good sense of smell.

Bruce doesn't really have a way to escape from Logan. And your reaching with the whole "Oh he'll know right away and act accordingly" thing.

The thing is, Bruce on average is much more ruthless. So Spidey swings around and wise cracks, tries to web Bruce, whatever. Eventually Bruce will see that Spidey has immense strength, either by deducing it from his knowledge about spiders, or by getting hit (when Spidey isn't going 100 percent). The second he realizes the threat (which will be fast), he will look to take him out, and nerve strikes will be his last reosrt when he realizes Spidey is too quick to land a good punch.

Why wouldn't Spidey also try immobilizing and incapping Bruce? He has the distance advantage considering with the webbing. Also, Spidey has the pre cog that would allow him to dodge Bruce (And yes, it does work in close combat. He took out Daken using his Spider-Sense alone and used it for close quarters combat). Also, to add, a shot from Spidey's webbing would seriously immobilize Bruce.

Nope, Bruce dodged the sniper bullet that came from behind him. It DEFINITELY happened, I don't know if you still don't trust me but I'll find the scan if you want me to.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/2/27470/2005730-sniper_dodge.jpg

This one?

It is.

That's embarassing for Deathstroke.

Maybe he does. Knock out gas, super hand cuffs, freezing agents. Batman carries a ton of stuff on him. They would.

Besides knock out gas, the cuffs and the freezing agents aren't things that Bruce keeps normally with him.

Is it though? He's pretty consistent, and thats all that matters. Definitely not PIS, at least in comparison with a lot of the feats we've agreed upon in the discussion.

Making DARKSEID bleed is absolute PIS. Or are we not talking about the same guy here? Aside from that, Spider-Man goes all out when fighting Wolverine and he has tanked hits from Hulk and The Thing. Bruce isn't near that level of force. What things have we agreed on that triumph this?

No, its not. Bruce is so much smarter, and then his stealth.

Bruce doesn't know about Danny, so the whole "hiding from chi" thing doesn't make sense. No one else Bruce has extensive knowledge on uses chi(?).

Bruce has evaded every person in the book who can "sense" people.

Difference being the WAY they sense people versus the way that Logan does. Logan can smell the Kevlar off of Bruce's suit.

Stealth is one of his main attributes, its a major strength, every other character can "sense" people, it wouldn't work on him.

Same could be said about Daken, who was able to disappear in front of the likes of Wolverine and Spider-Man. He still got his butt kicked by both of them using their senses/Spidey-Sense

it wouldn't work on him. Bruce has shown extreme striking power as well, it doesn't matter. Danny won't be throwing train punches left and right, and Bruce will put him down with a strong hit/nerve strike as fast as he can when he sees his speed and skill.

Danny won't be throwing train punches but he will be throwing punches that injure Bruce and successfully landing hits on him.

Dont even care, BP would demolish Spidey, if Spidey has ever won/given a really good fight thats horse shit in its purest form.

CURRENT BP would demolish Spidey. BP before his KotD upgrade actually wouldn't take that majority fight. If you want, Spidey's also fought Shang Chi, Daredevil and Iron Fist and has beaten both Daredevil and Iron Fist, as well as being trained under Shang Chi. All three of those people are considered more skilled than T`Challa.

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e could easily escape, he's done so with MM. Not really reaching either, Bruce's deduction skills are very crazy.

Unless Bruce dodges it, Bruce is also a master escape artist, he's gotten out of things much worse than some webbing.

I believe thats the one.

Definitely not hard to believe Bruce would have cuffs and a freezing agent, he does a lot of the time he just never uses them.

Spiderman tanking hits from the hulk is pretty laughable, but its been a whole day and I don't remember the discussion at all. Either way, all the characters have pure PIS feats, and if you take them all away, or let all the characters have them, Bruce comes out on top.

Well the glowing fist would probably be enough for him to guess its extremely powerful.

Tons of people in DC could probably do that, Bruce is known for his better safe than sorry tactics, you think he doesn't have a way to conceal his scent? Alright.

Daken =/= Batman

He's probably not throwing punches that are significantly hard than Bane/Croc/Deathstroke/any other person Bruce fights

Bruce would beat preKotD BP as well though. Bruce would also beat Daredevil and Iron Fist, and probably Shang Chi. Doesn't matter who they have fought. Its an equal fight.

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He could easily escape, he's done so with MM. Not really reaching either, Bruce's deduction skills are very crazy.

We've been over this man, Bruce KNOWS MM very well, and thus could make a way he could hide from him. He doesn't know Wolverine, and even after fighting him he wouldn't know about the increased senses. And that's being generous by saying that Logan doesn't stab him when they are fighting, and I don't see why Logan wouldn't use his claws.

Unless Bruce dodges it, Bruce is also a master escape artist, he's gotten out of things much worse than some webbing.

I don't think you understand how capable of holding down someone webbing is.

Definitely not hard to believe Bruce would have cuffs and a freezing agent, he does a lot of the time he just never uses them.

Once again, that's reaching. How do you know he has them a lot of the time? That is not Bruce's regular equipment. I don't think we really need to argue on this anymore, Logan would take the sizable majority in a fight versus Bruce considering you have put all of these variables into the fight which you can't even say will happen. In a straight fight Logan stabs Bruce and kills him, in another fight Bruce gets away and since we have no way of knowing that Bruce would actually deduce anything, Logan tracks him down and then fights him again and wins.

I believe thats the one.

"He hears the thick bounce of air, and reacts instantly."

Depending on the distance from which the rifle fired, Bruce wouldn't even be able to hear anything until after the bullet had already made its impact.

Spiderman tanking hits from the hulk is pretty laughable, but its been a whole day and I don't remember the discussion at all. Either way, all the characters have pure PIS feats, and if you take them all away, or let all the characters have them, Bruce comes out on top.

Not spider-man, Wolverine. And THAT is actually consistent.

Well the glowing fist would probably be enough for him to guess its extremely powerful.

That's one thing, he doesn't know about the chi sensing things and Bruce doesn't even know how to do that considering he wasn't trained in the MU or whatever.

Tons of people in DC could probably do that, Bruce is known for his better safe than sorry tactics, you think he doesn't have a way to conceal his scent? Alright.

Except we don't even know if Bruce would KNOW of Logan's senses, this is all just a big variable of things that we don't even know would happen in the battle.

Daken =/= Batman

In terms of the whole disappearing act, yes.

He's probably not throwing punches that are significantly hard than Bane/Croc/Deathstroke/any other person Bruce fights

considering that Danny can channel his chi to any part of his body now, and with the chi blasts, that gives him a significant advantage.

Bruce would beat preKotD BP as well though. Bruce would also beat Daredevil and Iron Fist, and probably Shang Chi. Doesn't matter who they have fought. Its an equal fight.

I was talking in terms of skill, not in a vs fight. Spider-Man KNOWS how to fight skilled opponents who KNOW nerve strikes and will use them, the skill advantage isn't enough.