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[–]madvikingSEAS 2015, ChE 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (31子コメント)

This is the wrong way to do this and really stupid.

Perhaps unrelated, but the walls near the Rotunda also got spraypainted. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B25ZWFhIQAAAnrM.jpg:large

[–]colin617 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I had Facebook friends wondering why I was so irate at the wording of the Rolling Stone article. This is why. You don't write caustic articles and then expect people not to react emotionally. I have a feeling this is going to get worse than a little vandalism.

[–]ribosometronomeCLAS 2012 Biology 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is why.

Perhaps your facebook friends are wondering why you're more upset about a little vandalism instead of the welfare of people who were being harmed. Caustic articles motivate change.

[–]bearadox 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Where did (s)he say he was more worried about the vandalism than the assaults and how they were handled? It's perfectly possible to be concerned about the issues in the article while still demanding decent standards of reporting. Vandalism is not an acceptable response to the situation and the article definitely fueled that fire.

[–]ribosometronomeCLAS 2012 Biology -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was inferred from their friends confusion at him being 'irate' over wording and every post of his on this subject expressing concern with the article rather than the assaults.

[–]bearadox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lots of people are expressing concern over the assaults. Expressing concern over the poorly written article does not mean you are not concerned about the assaults as well.

[–]ribosometronomeCLAS 2012 Biology -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think everyone is aware that humans are complex creatures capable of feeling up to and sometimes more than two things at once! That said, people have this odd tendency to spend time doing and talking about the things that they care most about. He's self-described as irate over the wording and talking only about the wording of the article and it's consequences. It's not unrealistic to extrapolate from all of that what he cares most about.

[–]bearadox -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not unrealistic to extrapolate from all of that what he cares most about.

Yeah, it is. People do not always say every last thing they think about an issue, and they cannot be read like books. Judge the ideas a person expresses, not the ones they don't. And journalists don't get to avoid criticism based solely on the themes of their article; nor should we attack people for criticizing the journalist when criticism is due.

[–]ribosometronomeCLAS 2012 Biology -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People do not always say every last thing they think about an issue,

You say every last thing as if I was raising a concern over some triviality he forgot to mention rather than suggesting that his friends might be confused because it seems like he read an article about how rape allegations are handled at UVA and seemingly got more upset over the article's tone rather than its, you know, very freaking serious allegations.

And journalists don't to avoid criticism based solely on the themes of their article; nor should we attack people for criticizing the journalist when criticism is due.

I never said journalists did nor did intend for my post to be read as an 'attack'. People do not always say every last thing they think about an issue, and they cannot be read like books, you know.

[–]40thTrimestrAbortion 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To me, the acts committed against the Phi Psi house seem perfectly characteristic of human behavior, and it also showcases the power of journalism. Morally right to vandalize? That's questionable. The civil thing to do? Absolutely not. It's unfortunate that society tends to be more reactive than proactive at times, and it's articles like these (bias or not) which seem to provoke those reactions. The house itself is a symbol, an allegory if you will, for the fraternity. While still a home for the members, it represents more than that, and it's not the home, but rather the symbol which was subject to vandalism. Arguably, if it is a true "brotherhood" shouldn't the collective whole ascribe themselves as responsible for the acts committed by the few? By becoming a brother, you imply: I am hereby in accordance with the actions made by the members of this brotherhood. It doesn't sound like they condemn one another for whatever acts are committed, and it's most likely not a secret to the fellow brothers of what goes on "upstairs" or wherever. I'm certainly not singling out Phi Psi here, but just raising a few topics for consideration that can apply to any frat. I suppose my main point here is these offenses ought not be associated to a select few, but the whole as well, in the case of fraternities. However, I do commend Phi Kappa Psi for voluntarily surrendering their fraternal organization agreement, for the time being.

[–]bearadox 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why don't we behave like adults and make our grievances known, instead of resorting to crime?

[–]madhjspCLAS 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A facebook friend of mine just posted this, though I'm not sure where she got it from (she is not one of the vandals):

"We wish that the recent Rolling Stone article regarding the culture of rape in the University’s Greek system had come as a shock. Unfortunately, as students, we are all too familiar with the rape and assault that is ubiquitous on Rugby Road. We have been assaulted, our friends have been assaulted, and the University––students and administrators alike––continue to minimize the problem. The administration has consistently failed to take the drastic steps that are necessary to halt the epidemic, and the students go about their lives complacently, tolerating the abuse. Rapists go unpunished and wander our campus––our campus, where they haunt their victims and even openly mock them. We are fed up with it. We applaud the bravery of those who have shared their stories, and we promise that their bravery will not be in vain. This situation is just beginning. We will escalate and we will provoke until justice is achieved for the countless victims of rampant sexual violence at this University and around the nation.

To that end we list the following short-term demands:

  • An immediate revision of University policy mandating expulsion as the only sanction for rape and sexual assault.

  • The immediate suspension of UVA’s Phi Kappa Psi chapter, and a thorough review of the entire fraternity system.

  • A thorough overhaul of the University’s Sexual Misconduct Board and the resignation of Dean Nicole Eramo.

  • The immediate implementation of harm reduction policies at fraternity parties, such as policing, University supervision, or permission for parties to be held in safer environments such as sorority houses.

Rape is not a political issue to be negotiated and discussed with an eye towards gradual improvement. It is a criminal act of violence that cannot be tolerated. Inaction on the part of anyone––students, faculty, and administrators––allows more young victims to be raped every weekend. Rolling Stone discussed UVA’s culture of rape, and it is pervasive. But we are UVA students too, and we reject that culture. The silent majority of this University cannot remain silent: change will be made on this campus only if we force it. We appeal for action to President Sullivan, who has shown promise as a strong and progressive administrator, but we will no longer confine ourselves to working through a bureaucratic and ineffective system.

UVA will not be the same after this––we will not allow it.

Sincerely,

The students who vandalized the Phi Psi house"

[–]bearadox 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

An immediate revision of University policy mandating expulsion as the only sanction for rape and sexual assault.

This is already the de facto case, for offenders actually found guilty in a court of law. Adding it as an honor infraction etc. only furthers the false notion that rape crimes should be handled by the school.

The immediate suspension of UVA’s Phi Kappa Psi chapter, and a thorough review of the entire fraternity system.

They already suspended themselves, as of today at least. There is as yet not enough evidence to justify a lengthy or permanent suspension.

A thorough overhaul of the University’s Sexual Misconduct Board and the resignation of Dean Nicole Eramo.

No board should be hearing these kinds of cases anyways, only a court, I'm not sure about the Dean - perhaps.

The immediate implementation of harm reduction policies at fraternity parties, such as policing, University supervision, or permission for parties to be held in safer environments such as sorority houses.

Absolutely any measures which can help prevent these crimes or respond to them better.

I realize these may or may not be your views in particular; just my thoughts.

[–]tee2green -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does anyone have a picture of a Phi Psi brother painting over the graffiti?

How perfect of a metaphor would that be? Just another brother covering up rape allegations to keep a pristine image of his fraternity.