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Soapbox time. Profanity ahead. I hate getting into complex conversations online because I think they require the nuance of live discussion, but this one bugged me enough to get essay length comments out of me because of how insane backwards and destructive it is.
TL;DR: This author blames Chris Rock, Barkley and Cosby for adopting holier than thou attitudes in addressing the underclass criminal element of the black community, and makes really dumb excuses for their behaviour. I find this incredibly short sighted because 'black leaders', civil rights groups and the media are reluctant to ever publicly decry black on black crime, black on white crime, or talk about the fact that statistically, black kids are becoming thugs and killing/robbing people well over 58%/67% of the time, or how we really need to fix that problem.
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This article is ignorant as fuck. I'm beside myself reading sentences like " It was the money from a grocery store robbery pulled off by an illiterate grandfather that kept the lights, gas and water on."
Sure dude, let's find a way to excuse and justify behaviour like this (http://tinyurl.com/mv6hxqk), and not point out how incredibly fucked up it is that tens of thousands of black kids easily become this disconnected from basic human compassion, because they are encouraged to do so by a subset underclass - a lowest common denominator that has somehow become representative of black people as whole.
It's bad enough we have to deal with vultures like Al Sharpton and 'black leaders' blindly defending horrible people just because they are black in all situations, but now this writer is criticizing the few who even bother to suggest that black people have a serious problem that needs to be addressed. It's infuriating.
You know what's way worse that 3 dead black teenagers killed by cops? Over 17,000 black men killed by gun violence in overwhelmingly black-on-black cases since 2008. The literally exponential number that are killed by other black people. But of course, that's a less juicy controversy. Media outlets and civil rights groups won't talk about that, because it's just another day in the hood, as expected, in places like Camden.
We instead rally around cases based entirely on who did the shooting, and cry out injustice before we even have the facts on what happened, and cry out that we're still living in the days of Emmett Till. Meanwhile, when a gang of senselessly sadistic, violent and compassionless thugs __literally__ commit crimes worse than Emmett Till (The Channing/Newsom murders) to white people less than 7 years ago, we do not rally around, decry the injustice, or even accept calling it a hate crime. We sit silent and excuse it as just another day in the hood, a robbery gone wrong, and sit guilty of the same passive racism of lowered expectations that keeps the media from even bothering to address black violence.
You can not just write off 5-digit death counts with "the cops mistreat us, so we lose compassion and become criminals because we are lashing out at our surroundings". That is insane. You know what's fucked up? Forget about racist cops for a minute. If you instructed Robocop to reduce crime in North America, and programmed him with the current crime statistics, he would process it and immediately start going after groups that are the most likely to statistically commit crime and go to jail for it: underclass black men with priors. The numbers are so messed up, that an objective unbiased robot would start profiling.
12% of the population, somehow, for some reason, are not only 50% of the total murder victims, but also committing 58% of the homicides, and 67% of the robberies. 93% of black victims are murdered by other black people. Black people are killing people at 8 times the rate of other people, and we're not supposed to question that? We're not supposed to address why that number is climbing? And now, this article wants to attack people that DO want to question this? What the actual fuck?
Of course every race has it's underclass, and of course we see large spikes in crime rates among those in poverty. But it is so disproportionately excessive among the black underclass, AND we have the problem of that black underclass culture being representative of black people as a whole instead as individuals in the media, AND we have the loud angry mobs that only want to get outraged when a white shooter is involved, but remain silent whenever it's not. Now we have some asshat writing a Salon article that not only encourages said silence, it excuses the criminal behaviour and asks that we don't question what is happening and why.
We can disagree about what percentage of blame lies with the system vs what percentage lies with modern cultural re-enforcement of a criminal mentality, and how we got here. But this mentality of making excuses for people who opt-out of respecting others enough to not rob/kill them is actively attacking the only practical solution. One that no one wants to hear - admitting that we(because of course, black people are evaluated as group) are raising criminals and trying to stop that.
It's already such a rare, rare thing for any one in the media to acknowledge this, because black civil rights leaders won't, and yet here this author is saying that addressing these issues is a bad thing. Holy shit that is destructive.
Respectability politics isn't new. But with Charles Barkley and Bill Cosby now joining in, here's why it's so toxic
salon.com
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  • Vivekanand Ian Gurudata Right.
    So, you are both right, and wrong because well...conflation and nuances...but I need coffee..


    So one day soon, you should take me for some so we can talk about it and you can tell me where I'm wrong too.

    Now I sleeps.

    :)

    Also:haven't seen you in a while, what better reason :)
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  • John Marshall Jackson Interesting Mr Madden

    You've got a strong thesis and good sentence structure, nice parahraphs but you're missing a strong hook.


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  • Laurent Castellucci Question. Given the known racism of the arrest record, what on earth makes you think those numbers are accurate?
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  • Laurent Castellucci Also, I am not going to back Cosby lecturing anybody given he is a rapist.
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  • Hezekiah Littlejohn I liked that Soapbox Woolie, i might have to use it myself

    It feels good to know i'm not the only one who feels this way when it comes to the black community. Apparently, if you are intelligent and are not attempting to become a thug or in a gang, you
    're "white washed" or you're not "black enough." But what would really help the Black community as a race not only survive, but prosper? A community of unintelligent Ebonics-speaking people who only try to use violence and ignorance as methods to achieve results, while attempting to negatively influence each other at a desperate and selfish grab for success? Or a community of people who are intelligent enough to know that violence isn't the real answer and that working together to improve will have vastly greater results.

    Resorting to crime, especially against someone of your own community will only diminish and weaken the community as a whole and will eventually destroy it. Black-on-Black crime is absolutely unacceptable, yet it is never addressed in the media because it doesn't bring views to the news station, it doesn't become a hot topic and trending worldwide on social media. It is glorified and used as a stereotype in movies for the sake of comedy to have a thug use ebonics and have his pants sag, instead of showing an intellectual black man with goals and ambition.

    Nature vs Nurture can be a sad way to "justify" the actions of the ignorance, but that can be countered with teaching kids before they know about the world how to be prepared and have the tools necessary to overcome obstacles without having to use violence and murder and this needs to happen soon, because the Community is heading down a corrupted path that only leads to the implosion of the Black race.
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  • Adam Djourian Ever notice how white the detractors to this argument are?
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  • Woolie Madden Laurent Castellucci
    Re: the numbers, even if we account for a margin of error with wrongful convictions in the Department of Justice' reports, the discrepancy we're looking at is so massive, that even if we cut it in half, we're still looking at 4 time
    s more homicide, with close to 40% of the robberies, coming out of a group that is 12% of the pie. I'm assuming that you don't mean the homicide victim count as well, because there's not much room for error in counting bodies. Whatever realistic deduction we apply still puts an underclass 12% at a way high number, because it's just that disproportionate.

    Re: Cosby
    He totally most likely is a rapist, and you won't hear me disagreeing with that, but he has nothing to do with the issue, despite being the flint. Hannibal Burress nailed it out of the park. But it's not suddenly a binary issue on all things Cosby has ever said. He's said things I feel are both right and wrong. For example:

    1, Cosby, a probable rapist, says black comedians shouldn't swear. I disagree.

    2. Cosby, a probable rapist, says it's embarrassing that so many poor black people can't speak english properly and use ebonics. I disagree because the way a person speaks isn't grounds to make a sweeping judgment about them.

    3. Cosby, a probable rapist, says we should condemn violent thug-like criminals in the black community more, and hold ourselves to a higher standard. I agree with this, because I've never seen an Al Sharpton-type get publicly outraged at a hate crime committed by a black person.
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  • John Marshall Jackson Cosby: a probable rapist, highly endorsed Jell-O. I agree
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  • John Marshall Jackson Cosby, a probable rapist, says kids say the darndest things.
    No comment
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  • Scott Jordan What's a probable rapist?
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  • Woolie Madden A person that's been accused of rape by 13 people on separate occasions, but was never convicted to due likely to settlements and all other factors that prevent an accusation from going to trial.
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  • Vivekanand Ian Gurudata I'm amused that at Julie's wedding, I spent the entire night being mistaken for the son of a black man, and that on this thread I am being dismissed for being white.

    I guess being East Indian means I'm not welcome anywhere ;) :)
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  • Guillaume Duval Yeah can't have Robocop running around nowadays, he'd be flagged as a 'white supremacist creation-of-the-devil'* racial profiling mean machine before one can finish saying ''Dead or alive, you're coming with me''.

    But holy shit wow man, you made me fu
    rious enough about the article that I don't even want to click on that link as to avoid giving this dude/site traffic.

    *I mean seriously though, he DOES kinda have the head of one
    http://cdn.screenrant.com/.../peter-weller-robocop1.jpg
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  • Adrienne Edwards-Daugherty I did read the article, and I have to agree with you, Woolie . While the article tries to paint the criminals as some kind of low-slung pants Robin Hoods, it seems to forget that even if gramps is robbing the liquor store to pay for junior's school supplies (itself a questionable assertion), the liquor store owner is a part of the community, too, trying to make ends meet for himself and his family. Such myopia...
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  • Anthony Hansen I've seen way too many white people share Cosby's rants as a thinly veiled way of being like "this is what I've been thinking all along but now a black person said it so here come all the weird generalizations about the black community that I've been holding off on saying because they're actually totally racist". I find it weird that the author of this article went after the entertainers themselves and not people like that who are trying to recontextualize their commentary as part of a broader, more toxic cultural narrative.
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  • Levi Gratton See, I'm even nervous to make any kind of comment in this topic's comment section.
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  • Yurik Ross The Young Turk had an interesting segment about the whole Bill Cosby story and why a lot of comedians hate him in general

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUPK34aiXE
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