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[–]trekiez_revamped 356 ポイント357 ポイント  (77子コメント)

I hope like hell the mods here don't turn into anything like /r/technology or /r/politics. They have always been really good guys and this puts them in a very bad light.
The hypocrisy is a bit alarming. Being told that you didn't communicate with the mods when they clearly weren't replying to your sent messages about the topic is not on. You acted on what you and the only mod to respond thought was best. You did what was right, the others are in the wrong here.

EDIT: HERE IS MY POST ON ABRA's THREAD. The /r/pokemon mods are suppressing information from the community.

[–]Deathmask97Gen 3 for Life 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Honestly I feel like there should be some kind of voting system to remove mods or repeal actions that mods have made that the community disapproves of. Seriously, I've been hearing about these power trip stories more and more often in increasingly more niche subs, and it's really starting to worry me.

In situations like this, both parties should be able to tell their sides of the story, and the community could vote on wether the ruling was fair, unjustified, or neither - it fair, the ruling sticks, if unjust, the ruling is overturned, and if neither, a review of the case and a significantly different ruling must be given that is less strict than the prior one.

Seriously, it's really frustrating to see the entire community in disagreement with the mods and yet have no say in these affairs. Power-trip mod tribunals always turn ugly in the long run, and this is the first major red flag that calls for action.

[–]trekiez_revamped 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is exactly what should happen.
The only problem is, the mods that have more power don't want to listen to what the community has to say on their decisions. What they say, goes, in their head. They never seem to notice that it affects not only how others perceive them, but how it affects the community as a whole.
As is the case here, a mod is removed and no statement is given by any other mods. They couldn't care less about the people, they only care about their power and going up in the ranks. And they'll do whatever it takes to get there, regardless of what the comunity thinks.

[–]Deathmask97Gen 3 for Life 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Makes me sad, man.

Of all the subreddits I'm subscribed to, I never expected that /r/Pokemon would be the one to go through drama like this.

I'm extremely disappointed.

[–]derkrieger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

All subreddits have their drama and like most drama it will blow over in time. I know how annoying it is when you love a community but watch mods kick it down sometimes. On the other hand I as a mod myself know how irritating a mob mentality can be. Mods aren't always right, but neither are groups of angry people.

P.s. sounds like the mods dun goofed this time.

[–]Deathmask97Gen 3 for Life 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mods definitely goof'd and they're not doing anything about it.

I know mob mentality can be vicious, but the mods are doing nothing to try to fix this, just doing damage control. If they're acting like politicians, they should be treated like politicians.

I personally won't be satisfied until something is actually done about this, whether that means other mods stepping down, being forced to step down, or changing policies, because they've been crystal clear about never making Oppa a mod again. Honestly, the whole incident reeks of fishiness and ulterior motives, and I don't want people like that running this subreddit.

But what can I do? I'm just some lowly commoner forced to live under these mods' regime. I'm honestly more than just a bit worried they'll finally get fed up with me speaking out and telling them to do something, anything to actually fix this and they'll just drop the ban hammer on me for "harassment" like they said they did with the anon.

This blows.

[–]derkrieger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it gets to that point the community will split and make their own subreddit. You guys don't NEED their subreddit, you just need each other.

[–]abcd_z 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Honestly I feel like there should be some kind of voting system to remove mods or repeal actions that mods have made that the community disapproves of.

Then you'd have larger, aggressive, subreddits taking over smaller subreddits they disapprove of through sheer force of numbers.

Allow me to explain how this would work.

Let's say there are two subreddits, A and B. B has a well-known history of mass-downvoting threads and comments they disapprove of and is much, much larger than A.

Reddit unveils a new system whereby enough subscribers voting on a subject can get a mod kicked out. So redditors from B start swarming A. Even the small fraction of B's subscribers that are involved outnumber the original subscribers by a vast majority. They initiate action to get the original mods kicked out, and their actions succeed due to the overwhelming majority of the votes.

Congratulations. Now B controls A as well, and there's very little anybody can do to change it back.

The system we have in place right now isn't a perfect one, but it could be a lot worse.

[–]Deathmask97Gen 3 for Life 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How would they be able to force out mods or overturn policies when they have no actual ability to put the mod on trial in the first place?

The way I see it, this system would be activated by the mods whenever they want to make a large decision that effects the subreddit as a whole, like removing a mod for instance. In this case, they would make a post about their decision, post supporting evidence, and allow one post from the defending party as a rebuttal and a counter-plea. This in turn would open up a poll to subscribers that allows them to weigh in on the decision as an impartial jury of peers.

As for other subs coming in and flooding the polls, this could be fixed by a simple "age" check. If your account hasn't been subscribed to that particular subreddit for a predetermined amount of time, you will be barred from voting in that poll. Easy fix. If that's not possible, the subreddit could instead go into a sort of "lockdown" mode that prevents anyone from subscribing until the polls are over, and only those currently subscribed have the privilege to vote.

Would that not work as intended?

[–]abcd_z 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It sounded like you were describing a situation where the users had the ability to put the mods on trial. If the users don't have that ability, I find it highly unlikely that the mods would use that ability themselves.

For example, take the situation that's occurring here and now. Do you honestly think the mods would voluntarily put themselves on trial for removing another mod?

[–]Deathmask97Gen 3 for Life 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

This would not be voluntary. If the mods made any decision that affected the sub as a whole, they would be required to have the sub vote on their decision. I believe the community should decide how to go about things that directly affect them.

[–]abcd_z 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a mod wouldn't be able to, for example, remove another mod from a position of authority without putting it to a group vote first?

Interesting concept. It would require a major overhaul of the reddit codebase, it would completely change the way Reddit moderation worked, there would be unforeseen negative consequences, most of the existing mods would be very loudly against the change, and a sizable minority of them would likely quit in protest, but it is an interesting concept.

[–]95Mb 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (57子コメント)

At least mods here have a loooooooong way to go before they reach the notoriety of a certain /r/warhammer mod....

[–]silverhydra 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (46子コメント)

I must have missed that particular chapter of reddit; what happened?

[–]lockeslylcrit 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (10子コメント)

TotalBiscuit made a First Impressions video of WH40k: Space Marine. A certain moderator from a certain subreddit proceeded to crap all over TB by claiming TB said certain things ("WH40k stole from Gears of War") which were not true. Then said mod proceeds to engage in ad hominem attacks, eventually banning many loyal /r/warhammer followers.

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/358785590117924866

[–]mwmwmwmwmmdw 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (4子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/HCOnO.jpg

[–]jaxhax6-0s you with level 1s 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

> he's a janitor

> on the internet

> he does it for free

> he takes his "job" very seriously

> he does it because it is the only amount of power and control he will ever have in his pathetic life

> he deletes threads he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack

> he deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl chinese cartoons he still has to watch

> he will never have a real job

> he will never move out of his parent's house

> he will never be at a healthy weight

> he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket

> he will never have a girlfriend

>he will never have any friends

[–]thedarkartistayy lmao 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

FOR FREE

[–]RogueHelios -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's wrong with that guy's face?

[–]mwmwmwmwmmdw 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

5 years of reddit moderation will do that to you

[–]dethb0y -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

A let's player talking shit to drum up controversy and get people talking? Say it ain't so!

That said, while warhammer40k proper didn't steal anything from gears of war (more the other way around), the space marine gameplay is actually kind of derivative of that same Gears of War/Darksiders/Dante's Inferno type of gameplay.

[–]DrunkenPrayer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meh Warhammer, 40K, Warcraft etc etc are all fairly derivative of previous works.

[–]dethb0y 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Warcraft is (more or less) directly based off of Warhammer fantasy; blizz was going to make a game for warhammer fantasy but it fell through, and they turned it into warcraft instead.

Warhammer 40K is actually pretty old in terms of game properties - it first got started in the late 1980's. Now aday's it's really just a melting pot setting, though.

[–]DrunkenPrayer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've not played 40k since around the mid 90s maybe. I do remember the first Warcrat game coming out and seeing the direct similarities to Warhammer but they've gone on to develop the lore beyond that.

[–]iaido221950-8013-4261 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The head mod of r/wow made the subreddit private because he couldn't play the new expansion. It will be private (not sure if it still is) until he can log in and play.

[–]silverhydra 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm going to assume this the truth (I don't visit that sub) since the disclaimer when I try to go there says that the subreddit was "shut down for doxxing"; even if that claim was true it is a piss poor mod move. :/

[–]lockeslylcrit 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's the truth. The head mod of the subreddit himself tweeted the threat. A community manager (volunteer(?) employee) of Blizzard even told him it wasn't the best thing in the world to do.

[–]silverhydra 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Damn, this one is a lot more drama-tastic than that warhammer one. I'm really curious as to how that mod even began thinking this was a good idea or if he thought this would ever go over well.

That guy (@nitesmoke) seems to have deleted his twitter account as well.

[–]lockeslylcrit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't frequent /r/wow since I stopped playing some time after Cataclysm, so take my word with a grain of salt, but I did hear from others in the subreddit that this isn't the first time said mod threw a tantrum.

[–]silverhydra 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ya, just catching up on the topic over in /r/subredditdrama and it seems delicious. This was already made in honor of it

[–]Holyrapid 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's real? Wow, even the game is taking a piss on him. (At least, i assume that's WoW)

[–]lockeslylcrit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha! I love it

[–]I_EAT_POOP_AMA 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

a day or so ago it was shut down because the mod (/u/nitesmoke) couldn't play the game

The sub came back up after a few hours, where the rest of the mods threw up a sticky letting the community know what was up, and how they weren't 100% supportive of his actions but didn't want to cause a witchunt or any overreatcion in the sub. Of course most people decided they should call him out on his actions and get him demodded because of that little tantrum, which only made things worse since he was one of the first mods (and iirc the founder of the sub) so no other mods can touch him to do it themselves. The sub went private again, but right before he was apparently doxxed and started demodding everyone besides himself. If it had stayed up longer i'm pretty sure we would have seen the banhammer strike a few blows as well.

as of now, the community is starting anew in /r/worldofwarcraft. the remaining mods have put in a request to take ownership from him in the appropriate subs but since he's still active on reddit and didn't break any site rules nothing will probably get done about it.

[–]PM_for_poem 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Geez, this is just like /r/xkcd all over again. For some reason there are no rules to keep power hungry mods from abusing the system. What /r/xkcd had to do was just wait until the head mod was inactive for a certain amount of time. But until that happened there was absolutely nothing the community could do.

[–]Zwemvest 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the /r/netherlands move to /r/thenetherlands :/

[–]sivak1rl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does poop taste like?

[–]JaggerA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Warhammer, not wow

[–]Corsair4 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His reasoning being that he can't support a product that doesn't work, and he felt that the mod team needed a break from cleaning up the shitstorm. May be a little extreme, but I don't see any problem with it.

[–]TheHeavyMetalNerd 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Storytime...

[–]ItsAMeMitchell 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yes, please.

[–]billyK_Squirtle Squad Fuck Yeah 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I got my popcorn and candy; where do I sit?

[–]ItsAMeMitchell 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Members of the one-year club to the front, gilded redditors to the VIP seats.

[–]tangoewhisky 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Awww, I hate sitting up front...

[–]Holyrapid 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In all seriousness, whenever i go to movies, i tend to sit at the back and center as i think that's the best view in the theater usually. I don't like sitting in the front for some reason.

[–]Tuparsic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I usually try to go for the direct center. That way, the film fills my vision without being overwhelming.

[–]SlinisterBROOOoooo! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too. You have to get your neck in an uncomfortable position to see the screen for hours, and afterwards it still hurts.

[–]SuperUmbreon1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

B-but I'm a 1-yearer and my gold expired yesterday…

Cannot into VIP

[–]Tek2674 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about 2 year club?

[–]SlinisterBROOOoooo! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only for 1 year. Sorry man.

[–]RuinedGrave 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got my blanky. I can share it with you!

[–]SlinisterBROOOoooo! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

MY BODY IS REGI FOR THE STORY.

[–]mudermarshmallowssceptile 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Let me find the storybook...

[–]SlinisterBROOOoooo! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hurry up it's been 22 hours!

[–]mudermarshmallowssceptile [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I can't find it, must have been lost among the chapters of Mr. Splashy Pants

[–]SlinisterBROOOoooo! [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Just press Crtl + F to find the title faster

Wait this is a book you're searching for.

[–]mudermarshmallowssceptile [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Ya...

[–]ajree210 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's crazy how widespread his infamy is. I've been a part of the /r/warhammer community since before I made my account. Never had a run in with him but he really is pretty infamous.

[–]95Mb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right? He's such an asshat. My most recent run-in with him was when he egged someone on to delete their post for breaking a rule, but he didn't want to be bothered to say what rule was broken and no one could figure out what rule he was talking about.

[–]LiamIsMailBackwards -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

asshat

Such a Dean thing to say...

[–]I_EAT_POOP_AMA 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

or as of now, a certain /r/wow mod

[–]95Mb -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not like the subscribers handled that one well either though.

Edit: It seems that I'm being downvoted. May I remind you that doxxing is never okay, regardless of what that mod did.

[–]ellaminnowp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/warhammer or /r/wow?

[–]95Mb 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/warhammer

edit: Whoa, the /r/wow guy might be worse.

[–]scout033DO NOT READ THIS -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I must admit, I have no idea what went on and am now genuinely curious. Could you fill us in on what happened?

[–]spiral6Gen 1 - 5 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, thought you were going to mention the /r/wow guy. lol. Here it is for the popcorn lovers. https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/2min5e/rwow_has_reached_a_new_level_of_drama/

[–]LyratheflirtBadass Otter 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A similar situation in /r/games happened with a mod. It's was super shady and made me dislike that subreditt. Basically the mods were being shady and one of the mods did a whistleblow. they removed him.

/r/pokemon mods. Don't be that kind of group. it never ends well. you're looking at a massive PR crisis if things get out of hand.

[–]doctor_wat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like a lot of moderator power-tripping going on lately in some of my favorite subreddits. /r/wow is just plain gone now, and before that was a huge shitstorm in /r/bloodborne where one mod removed all the others and started banning everyone.

Is there seriously no way to fix these kinds of problems when they arise? It seems like Reddit admins wouldn't really care, would they? Or is it just dependent on how many complaints they get in their inbox?

EDIT: Oh wait, it seems that /r/wow is back! Earlier today it was set to private.

[–]MorphPete*dadding intensifies* 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They're not suppressing anyone, you're just an idiot.

I hope that helps put your mind at ease.

[–][削除されました]  (3子コメント)

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    [–]MorphPete*dadding intensifies* 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's ok. There are a lot of other idiots out there for you to play with.

    I had a moment of weakness getting involved with this. Enjoy your conspiracy theory bullshit.