Our Side of the Story.

Geshtianna · 21 時間前

All I'm going to say is that giving someone mod powers means you trust them to make their own decisions.

sherekhantwait · 21 時間前

You guys should probably just restore the guy as a mod and put him on a probation of sorts. This really and truly doesn't sound like a big deal, and sounds like a small misunderstanding. Based on the fact that your story is very similar to his, and everyone already seems to agree with Wumbo I don't think this is a fight worth having.

The only real reason I could see you guys not restoring him is because someone has a personal vendetta against him. Let's let bygones be bygones, go back to talking about Pokemon, and restore a sub favorite. Literally no sub has once handled this properly. You guys should set a precedent and be the first.

Scathee · 21 時間前

As far as I can tell, the mods are just as responsible as Wumbo for this. One mod agreed with Wumbo, the rest of them didn't respond. If you are willing to kick someone off for unbanning someone, then why weren't you vocal with your opinion that the "leaker" should not be unbanned? Communication goes both ways, and if you refuse to communicate with the only mod that seems to give two shits around here, you shouldn't be kicking him off for miscommunication.

chunnybunny · 21 時間前

What's it really matter if we discuss it? If we side with Wumbo would the mod team re-enlist him? If not, what's the reason for this post?

wandrewa · 21 時間前

What evidence is there besides the word 'throwaway' that the old leaker and the new one were the same account? Because if its just the fact that throwaway is in the name, and that the account was made for leaks... that's a really rash assumption to make.

Also, I understand that you all do not want to be involved in leaks, but to remove him as a moderator? Definitely unnecessary. Heck, that message Oppa sent that is part of the post sounds extremely reasonable and easy resolvable.

Reconsider. And don't think letting him be a mod again is a sign of weakness or lack of organization or anything, consider it without fear of what the people think (NO ONE will be mad if you add him back, besides maybe the mods because I don't know what the heck is behind all this for them). He was a great mod trying to help the community.

Triforce16 · 21 時間前

After seeing your side and Oppa's actual message, I still completely feel like he was in the right and you guys messed up. Don't get mad at him if nobody is going to respond to him. Good on jensenj. I still can't believe you're all standing by this decision. All and all Oppa was trying to help the sub out

robxu9 · 21 時間前

but for the love of Arceus, can we please go back to talking and posting about pokemon

That's not how you handle the situation. Take the time to talk with people commenting about it and not just brush it off like it's no big deal. I'm glad at least you managed to respond, though.

OppaWumboStyle · 21 時間前

Another thing that is pretty huge you forgot. Thundergrunge sent this to me telling me I was removed.

Hey Oppa,

I'm going to be the harbinger of some bad news. I have no doubt that you are aware of the things that happened the last few days. It became something negative for our mod team. Based on the following reasoning, we decided to remove you as a moderator of /r/pokemon.

Lets clarify this decision. First of all: when I say us, I mean all the moderators. This situation was at first discussed between me, Abra, Jensenj2 and wtfReddit, and after we got to a conclusion we also decided to get feedback from the other mods. Together we came to the similar conclusion.

What happened are several things that made our mod team incoherent. This situation started with another throwaway leaker. You gave him thumbs up for a post, but in that post it was mentioned that the mods confirmed the legitimacy. You were also posting in that thread about how legitimate it was. To prevent another fiasco (like the ORAS demo throwaway) I removed the post as an emergency. This was also done because of the fact that the images that served as proof, were dead links.

A big discussion followed wherein the leaker just backed out and didn't want to show proof anymore, but where he started to discredit the moderators through his comments. Because of this this person was banned. Not a big deal being it a throwaway (which only wants to leak, so don't understand why he didn't continue anyway). However, the next time I came on Reddit you overturned this decision without any communication with any mod whatsoever. Now you showed us proof, but again links were dead. This cannot happen in a mod team, we should be able to rely on each other.

And then you posted the video where you as a moderator of /r/pokemon were actually discussing the leaks with a prominent YouTuber. You were essentially our representative, while we never discussed anything about this. None of the other mods knew you were doing this (and already so fast after the apparent leak). Besides that you are not our representative. Besides that we are a moderating team and are not a source of any kind that can confirm leaks as legitimate. We should not be presented like that, and that is exactly what you did. Besides that it made you look like the one who is in charge, while as mentioned before we must work as a team.

Besides the fact that your way of decision making does not take into account that we are a mod team and you make these kind of decisions on your own, it is also really remarkable how everything of the last few days just end up with you. It seems like you are almost in league with the leaker. But that's of course not the main reason, it did add a negative atmosphere to the situation.

So, to conclude: I want to thank you for the help you were able to give us and your positive contributions to /r/pokemon, but we need a solid team especially with the release of ORAS coming next week. We cannot rely on an individual that does not work as a teammember but rather solos it out whenever he seems fit.

Of course: if you have any questions or remarks, you can contact us through modmail. But we are not overturning this decision. I also want to highlight that this does not mean you are banned, but your custom name color and stuff will get removed.

Once more, thank you for the positive things you have done, but we will not be working with you in the moderator team of /r/pokemon any longer.

~Thundergrunge, on behalf of the /r/pokemon moderator team on this matter and on this matter only.

And also I would like to quote this from the same person who didn't believe the photos we were sent.

"This cannot happen in a mod team, we should be able to rely on each other."

trekiez_revamped · 20 時間前

I am still with Oppa and jensenj2 on this matter. All the mods (except jensenj) ignored all contact by Oppa. Why is jensenj2 not removed if this is the case? He played almost the exact same role.
Perhaps more communication on your behalf was the problem here. Did you take a look at the actual photos and the evidence that Oppa provided, or did you just assume that because the last leaker was fake, this one was undeniably illegitimate. This was a poor decision on behalf of the /r/pokemon subreddit mods. You have lost one of your best mods.
Good on him for standing up for what is right and shame on the /r/pokemon mods for a lack of communication and a poor approach to this situation.

...but for the love of Arceus, can we please go back to talking and posting about pokemon...

No. This is the completely incorrect way to deal with the matter. You mods know that Oppa has proof and you refuse to even look at the facts.

HERE IS MY POST ON OPPA's STORY

I have also read further down in the thread. There seems some information is missing from this post. /u/The_Wild_Abra has left out vital information, that Oppa did in fact send the photos again, as can be seen here.

It honestly just sounds like the mods are trying to suppress information, this is getting worse and worse for the mods at /r/pokemon. It is such a simple situation and you are making it a bigger deal than it has to be.

Brawlz · 18 時間前

Just stepping back from all of the "who's right, who's wrong" garbage, I'd like to say that this whole situation was handled like complete shit.

1TripLeeFan · 21 時間前

This issue should be resolved by a pokemon battle.

vaGnomeMagician · 19 時間前

You know how you can make the drama pass? Just fucking compromise with Oppa and this will all blow over. Like, that's what all this whole thing is about. Litteraly. Don't beat around the bush; talk to the guy directly and settle this. Simple. This is like saying

"Hey, I'm going to give you mod powers and responsibility to this bar, you can serve and ban people as you wish."

"Ok"

Then we can go on:

He is pretty fuckin chill for a while then this guy comes in all like "Hey, wanna look at this awesome recipe leak from Gordon Ramsey? Maybe put in the menu...?"

The other bartenders shoo him out of the bar and ban him for looking like the other guy that tried to leak his stuff last time. While he walking outside, new guy walks up to him and asks him about the leak. He gives him the recipe with a signature on it. He approves. He shows it to a fellow bartender and he also approves. He tries to ask the rest but they don't respond to him. So he puts it on the menu anyway.

The recipe works great for the first day then the guy comes back to ask that it be removed because of personal reasons. He does, etc, done. The other bartenders see this though and get pissed and fire newbie from bar, aka oppa.

Why did I even type this.

TL; DR: COMPROMISE WITH OPPA AND THIS WILL BLOW OVER.

pizzabash · 20 時間前

Why should you guys decide if a leak is fake or not and not let it be posted? Let the community decide if its real or not. It wont suddenly make the subreddit implode i mean look at the smash subreddit we had fake leaks every other day and the community discussed the possibility of them being real perfectly fine. and when an actual link came about like the full character roster leak there was no issues in getting it seen by the community.

mudermarshmallows · 21 時間前

Oh god here we go....

THE GREAT MOD WAR OF 2014

colber · 20 時間前

At least you're letting us voice our opinions now. It seems like most people on this subreddit still hold there ground about finding you guys to be wrong. And I think that definitely shows something that you guys made a bad choice.

I mean there are multiple mods so that there is more than just one type of person on a team, so that you can all see the different types of viewpoints that a community will see. And when a person or mod sees a different view point from the majority it doesn't make any sense to unmod them since that's the whole point of having multiple mods. You need to give Oppa back his mod position as a team for those reasons.

Markiep52 · 21 時間前

So much drama, so little popcorn.

OppaWumboStyle · 21 時間前

You completely left out the part where I sent you guys the pictures again as well. And I never really was told that we weren't going to deal with leaks at all.

Joshwoocool · 20 時間前

seems a little drastic and looks like a pretty poor quick fix

DracoRiff · 18 時間前

Are you guys seriously arguing over leaks? The game is going to be out soon and we'll be able to prove it ourselves if they were indeed fake or not. Even if a fake IS posted, people can decide for themselves if they wish to believe it. I just really don't see the whole point of this.

latiasfan · 21 時間前

Just got to say that after reading this it sounds A LOT like the others are pissed that they are getting flack now about being stupid with taking away Wumbo's mod privilege. Sometimes you just got to admit you messed up and move on. At this point they really need to just give Wumbo his mod status back.

OppaWumboStyle · 21 時間前

It was never discussed with me that throwaway was the same guy.

Triforce16 · 21 時間前

Stop trying to shift the view back to ORAS when you know that the problem at hand is still relevant.

bagszilucas · 18 時間前

I'd side with Oppa in this one. Even if the leaks where fake, that is not his/her(sorry, I don't know) fault, he just wanted to help the community. This is a forum, where people like to talk about things within their common interests. If those leaks are fake, than community should talk about it, and decide what they want. These are only for the hype. The real game will be out in less than 10 day, so what's the harm?

Yeah sure, Oppa unbanned someone without asking the other mods, which not a good thing to do. But I think it's all in the past, and you all should forgive it. It's always good to have people with different views in the same group, even it causes some drama time to time.

Litagano · 20 時間前

This shit is getting real serious, goddamn

I'm probably gonna wake up and find the entire subreddit on fire, so I'm just gonna prepare for that

Flygon_Enthusiast · 21 時間前

Grabs ~~Popcorn~~ Pokeblocks

Mr_Buddy · 18 時間前

What do AutoModerator and PokemonFlairbot think about all this? I'd love to hear their side of the story, but sometimes I feel that those two are on the bottom of the mod chain and treated unfairly.

GalleonKing · 21 時間前

It's nice that you've released a clear statement with your side of the story, good on you, but really it's a bit late. You should have had this in the original statement (and probably spelt the guys name right too).

Xune531 · 20 時間前

You guys removed a good mod for a stupid reason.

Indigo-2184 · 19 時間前

There needs to be a compromise found as this probably won't stop unless both sides are happy.

David920 · 21 時間前

Here's my rant:

Come on people! I am in fact a moderator of this subreddit but I don't want anything to do with the whole Oppa scandal. I never wanted a part of it. But now with all this arguing and bickering between people and moderators. ORAS comes out in 5 days and we're spending our time arguing about moderation? I understand where people are coming from being upset but this doesn't mean we have to start a riot.

I admit there were misunderstandings and mistakes from both parties involved. It was not solely just one persons fault. Both the mods and the community of this subreddit put in work to this and I want the release week of this game to be actually exciting for everyone involved! Not filled with the toxin of arguments. This subreddit will go down in flames if we start a war between ourselves. Together we stand; Divided we fall. Oppa did nothing wrong to me so I still see him as a friend. I'm not trying to avoid the situation, I'm just saying both parties were at fault and it was a mistake. People make mistakes.

And if I'm going to be persecuted for just wanting everyone to continue having fun and enjoying Pokemon and the release then so be it, but I want to see this subreddit striving! Not collapsing in flames right before the release of this game we were all so excited for!

That's just my rant and I hope we can all work this out. My time has been great moderating this subreddit and I've thoroughly enjoyed working with the community and the moderators but if this is how it's going to end then was it all for nothing?? I hope we can all work this out and quit pointing fingers at each other.

Windicious · 20 時間前

Internet fights are silly. It just makes all involved seemed childish. In the bigger picture, just think about what you're fighting about and think "is it really worth it?" because really. You're giving each other cold shoulders, demoting people over Pokemon. Pokemon. Now I know we all love it, and want the best for the community but I think you should put the problems in the past because from my perspective, this is just silly!

Josh_a_J · 19 時間前

As a person who doesn't really care about the end result of this, I just have to say how interesting it is to see r/Pokemon be so political. Anyways, what is clear to me and everyone else here is that there was a huge miscommunication within the mod team and an over-exaggerated of punishment. Sure there may have been missteps on both parties, but there is clearly one side who has more of an argument. I'm not entirely sure on the mod protocols of leaks. But it is rationale to state that, news such as these potential leaks must be dealt with as soon as possible. It is impossible to wait for everyone to make a decision. Sure, it's awesome to be democratic about things (because everyone loves democracy and giving their opinions) but this news needs to be controlled. r/Pokemon is a relatively big subreddit with multiple viewers on every hour of the clock. And even if some mods aren't available during those times, it is imperative that someone of equal power can control this news and verify it when it becomes available. I'm not saying whose right in this matter, I'm just stating what I believe to be rationale.

dannymybro · 18 時間前

@oppa

Just a quick question, do you want to be mood again or do you just want this sorted out?

Pokezilla · 18 時間前

Settle it in SMASH!!!

pokemaniacaus · 20 時間前

Bullshit

The leaker posted 3 images on reddit, you ignored that.

TCJJ · 14 時間前

This is just ridiculous. You're ALL pathetic. And on top of that, he straight-out said that he tried to discuss it and the rest of you, bar one, ignored him. You barely even discussed it before you made the decision to kick him out.

Now, I don't think anyone is really in the right here, but at the end of the day, you are all truly pathetic, and need to act more like adults. Discuss things at length if you have to. You all made stupid, rash decisions.

PokemonMMORant · 21 時間前

Wombo

Don't even care to spell the guy's handle correctly

EDIT: holy hell you people take shit way too seriously around here

Hamadan · 20 時間前

Can we have a bit more nuance in the comments? I agree that Wumbo was one of the more active mods and was present in a lot of threads. I also do think that it wasn't necessary to remove Wumbo. Maybe give him one more chance?

On the other hand I do see the mod team's point of view. The point of the mods is to be a team and while Wumbo reporting on the leaks is appreciated, it's not up to the mods to verify the leaks. Iirc Wumbo used his moderator status on that post which I found a bit weird at the time but disregarded in thinking Wumbo was just overexcited. As a team, the mods need to communicate to the subreddit together and I see how the team would see Wumbo as disruptive to that.

I see a lot of people arguing for Wumbo to be a mod and while I do think Wumbo could've used another chance, Wumbo doesn't really gain anything by being a mod and he can still continue to be an active presence. I understand people wanting to throw shit at the mods right now but can we refrain from doing that? There is way too much drama right now, and it doesn't help the discussion.

Joshwoocool · 19 時間前

I gotta admit,the upvote/downvotes are being used wrong on this thread.At the same time There is a OVERWHELMING amount of oppa support.You guys will be better admitting your fault,fix the broken and move on,instead of manning your ground and having people hating you for ever.A cracked heart is better than a broken one

The_Hammer_Head · 18 時間前

At the time of my commenting Oppa's post explaining his side has received 87% upvotes, whereas y'all's side of the story has only gotten 40%. As a community, it appears /r/pokemon is on Oppa's side here.

Kate925 · 21 時間前

Overall, I feel that there are probably better ways that you could have handled this, for instance limiting all potentially leaked information to one thread created by the leaker, so as to prevent random threads saying "OMG! What are you going to do with your new confirmed Mega Ditto!!!" Until a leak is confirmed, or never confirmed, and let people believe what they want, and from there, just allowing people to 'leak' whatever information they like as long as they limit it to a single thread, because ultimately it could turn out to be true.

I'm sure that a lot more detail could be put into this plan, I just figure let people do what they want, and if other people are going to believe it, then so be it, they will learn eventually.

I also disagree with Wumbo, it is my personal belief that a moderator should not state their opinion as fact in such a situation, they can state their opinion, but only if they frame it as such, "I personally believe that this leaker is real/fake." But ultimately should not act upon such opinion, and until proven, treat it as neither, neither fanning the flame, nor snuffing it. Also, from my interpretation of it, it seems like Wumbo is trying to villainize you in his thread that he posted.

EDIT: not just in his thread, but in this one as well, he seems to be trying to make the argument very public. Granted he does seem to make a bit of a point (while executed very poorly) and he has drummed up enough support, that I feel that after this discussion is settled and the community has come to some sort of agreement, a new discussion should be opened on whether or not Wumbo should be reinstated as a mod, he deserves at the very least that much, the opportunity to redeem himself/come to some sort of agreement with the mods.

FistingAmy · 20 時間前

I'm not taking sides, but I do want to bring up a point that was mentioned in another comment.

Why couldn't Oppa have saved the image files to his computer and sent them attached in an email to the other mods, rather than just send them the link to the images the leaked had control of? Would that not have worked for some reason?

Edit: I already asked this question, its already been answered.

zanaan01 · 15 時間前

Having read both sides of the argument I have come to the following conclusion:

Both parties have had some missteps, and honestly I think poor communication and pride got in the way of handling the situation in a better light.

The legitimacy of the leaks is irrelevant in all honesty, you can debate that until the game comes out, the greater issue seems to be rooted in the moderators not coming to an absolute consensus on how to handle the supposed leaks, on one side you have one group saying they can't be verified, and on the other a separate group insisting on their legitimacy and backing it with their moderator status.

My personal opinion is that no 'leaks' should ever be verified by moderators, as if they turn out to be false, no matter how convincing the leak is, it invariably puts the entire reputation of the moderator team in a bad light.

Moving on, what to do? Honestly rather than dragging the entire community into this spat, and having a rather popular sub reddit become destroyed by infighting, this should be handled quietly and behind closed doors. Come together, calmly discuss what happened, and what steps can be taken to prevent further from occurring in the future. I would start this with A) the current moderators, and B) have a similar meeting with the moderator(s) that were removed.

In short, or tl;dr or whatever people say these days, meh, how bothersome. Don't sully this reddit anymore with politics please.

Altherd · 15 時間前

And why the fuck couldn't the dude just post the images? There have been fake leaks everywhere, how come he doesn't get to post them.

scorpzrage · 15 時間前

Disregarding who was "right" and who was "wrong":

"Hey, remember that thing you did we others thought wasn't cool? From now on, if a situation like this comes up again, please wait at least x hours before taking any action, otherwise we need to think about your role in the team. Cool? Cool."

vs.

"You dun goof'd. Get out!"

AuraX · 14 時間前

Have you considered the leaker could be someone who got the game early and has no affiliation with Nintendo?

LtSnowEagle · 20 時間前

You want the drama to pass? Admit your mistakes and make Oppa a mod again. You guys made the wrong decision to not post the leaks when they were so obviously real.

CarettaSquared · 19 時間前

But really, this is about ethics in Pokemon journalism.

OnlyCoops · 20 時間前

Yeah Oppa is for the most part in the right here.

This just sounds like a power struggle from OP.

dr_crispin · 15 時間前

Despite my urge to downvote, this is indeed a constructive post, so I won't.

However, after reading both sides of the story, I think that, in your desire to make the right decision you had a lapse of judgement and made the wrong choice. There should be at the least a (public) apology to Oppa.

However, I do think that both sides here were trying to act in what they believe was the best interest of the subreddit, so after this is done bygones should be bygones, for both the staff and the redditors who visit.

RumbleTTT · 21 時間前

This post isn't related to Pokemon and should be removed.

AbsentmindedAsshole · 16 時間前

Let's not forget about all this- /u/_Vote_ predicted fallout

Hamadan · 20 時間前

One last thing: this issue should've been resolved privately. There's a lot of miscommunications that are being clarified now in this public thread. These issues should really have been resolved beforehand and then a joint statement being released...

Zimm0 · 17 時間前

Wow good job for un-modding Oppa just cause he disagreed with you guys wth... Your side of the story just made yourselves look worse

aku28 · 20 時間前

Maybe because I am still a reddit noob, what is the benefit of becoming a mod? All I can tell by reading all the comments are mods get the colorful name and power to ban/unban anyone, deleting posts... It can't be it, right?

Anyway, everyone take a deep breath, let's go back to arguing which new mega is real or fake, because we are here for pokemon and fun.

Cadeigha · 17 時間前

Here's my answer: Talk to Oppa. Please, please don't unleash drama and let Oppa stay uninformed/at a loss. This was bound to happen and I doubt most of the community wishes to care about this type of drama. Please, handle miscommunications and make sure nothing gets heated during it. Release facts together until you finally start to understand each other. If it turns out to be innocent on either this side, that or both, own up to it. That's all. In my opinion there was no need to get us this involved.

Admit to mistakes, blah blah blah, done.

I don't wish to know details on this issue unless you tell us it has been figured out professionally. That both sides agreed to something and it has been handled. Sorry if anything happened to sound offensive as it was never my intention!

JimothyGre · 16 時間前

Feel free to downvote this to hell, but there are two sides to this story. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Instead of screaming for mod blood, let's try to understand that both sides are trying to appear as the victim. Neither is. Let it go people.

darklight10 · 13 時間前

This is really crazy. Oppa doesn't deserve to be stripped of his Moderation duties when he is so good at them. I think you guys need to consider everything before acting so unfairly. Even if the leaks were actually fake, it's just a good laugh! I don't see why many of you have to get all serious about such a stupid situation. Nobody is completely right here, but I think that Oppa should be given his rightful place on the Mod Team. Who makes drama out of a few pictures of a game? There was barely any discussion between the mods. If the Mods continue like this, /r/pokemon will break.

smartazjb0y · 14 時間前

If you want to comment on this, you should DEFINITELY read this.

http://i.imgur.com/P0PiSiY.png

Unless they're doctored or selectively chosen, they show the bigger picture.

The crux of the issue is: the mods DON'T want throwaway saying the leaks are mod-approved. In fact, one of the mods says they don't want that because "mod-approved" implies the mods are more powerful than the normal reddit users and that the community should be the ones that vote on the legitimacy of the leak (which sounds like what most of the redditors here want).

The last leaker was proven fake but was said to be mod-approved, so clearly the mods don't want to just approve and confirm anything and everything.

Another issue they get into is that they think "mod-approved" should mean ALL THE MODS approve it. When a number of them never got to see the images, and never got to confirm or even give their opinion on the legitimacy, those images should NOT labeled as "mod-approved" just because one or two mods said it was OK. Getting a new car isn't parent-approved just because your dad said it was OK, that means it's just dad-approved.

Only 2 mods saw the leaks. That's clearly not enough to say that they're legit and confirmed by the mod team. Releasing a video as a mod saying the leaks are legit seems to go against that, and specifically saying "oh yeah some mods are cautious, but other mods are agreeing with me." What's clear from the mod conversation is that basically every mod is saying "yeah we should all see the leaks and say they're legit before people can say they're mod-approved."

A lot of people also seem to agree that "yeah you mods didn't respond to Oppa, seems right that he should act." In what world does that make sense? First off, we don't know how long Oppa waited for responses but from the mail it seems like it's all happening the same day. That's not that long. He could've either waited a bit more or even asked again before acting. Secondly, decisions aren't made based off of "I'm doing this unless someone tells me no." If you wanted to buy a car and tried calling your wife to confirm and she didn't pick up the phone, that doesn't mean you can just buy the car and say "hey I tried calling you but you didn't pick up, so I HAD to buy the car."

And the leaks weren't urgent. It's not like there was serious time pressure to have mods speak on them, it's not like the game was coming out soon and people needed them ASAP.

Basically, I don't get why so many people are against the mods. I do think the removal of Oppa was hasty and not the right decision, but people are painting it as if Oppa is 100% in the right and the mods are 100% in the wrong. There's clearly good reasoning behind why the mod team didn't agree with Oppa's actions, even if in the end their decision to remove him was wrong.

Nenharm · 6 時間前

between /r/wow and /r/pokemon the two main subreddits I go on are having some crazy drama.

superkirbyman · 3 時間前

Before I cast an opinion on the matter, let me ask a few things: 1. Was it clear that mods were not going partake in leaks (i.e. documented evidence that Oppa understand not to be apart of leaks)? 2. Is /u/jensenj2 saying that what Oppa says is true? 3. Why couldn't he post something without getting an OK? Before today I didn't even know who the mods were and just like with Smash Bros, everyone thought the gematsu leaks were real but they weren't and no one cared that people were wrong about it. GameXplain was wrong about it. Oppa represents himself, and until I see something with the words "me and the mods..." and mods are not being represented

SamVegas · 2 時間前

For some reason the comments are exactly the opposite of what everyones voting...

greatzimkogway · 19 時間前

From what I can tell, he went around the rest of the team by unbanning someone who the team agreed to ban. The mods are going to get racked across coals for this, whether they were in the wrong or not.

Frankly, I don't see why it's a big issue if he's a mod or not. If the team doesn't want him, then really, he's not part of the team.

I fully expect to get downvoted to hell. People don't like when someone dissents with the common view. In no way do I see anyone around here being very unbiased.

sfblue · 19 時間前

I will probably be downvoted to the pits of hell for this but...

If it means anything Abra, I think you did the best you and your team could under the circumstances.

Being in a leadership position myself - You can try your hardest to know it all, but there will be gaps in information. You have to use your judgement to make bridges between the gaps but the difficulty increases exponentially when there are time constraints and you need damage control IMMEDIATELY.

Having read both sides, I can see how you made the call that everything was adding up to be looking pretty fishy. Oppa likely meant the best, but the leaker was playing him like a fiddle.

rawbeee · 21 時間前

As far as I see it the impatience he showed in waiting for the go-ahead from other mods just seems to make it look as though he wanted to be a part of leaking the, well, leaks, rather than actually "doing it for the community". Honestly, waiting for a decision before going live wasn't about to kill anyone here.

I also don't understand why leaks are even tolerated around here if it causes that much animosity.

Furthermore, if it's such a massive deal to have these leaks, why not just make a "rumor" tag tat works like the spoiler one.

ShadooTH · 16 時間前

Oppa and Mulvone19 release a video about these 'leaks'.

I wish poketubers would look into stuff like this for more than 2 seconds before blowing a video out of their ass stating overly obvious stuff like "yes, this is a picture of a game that isn't out yet" and "yes, this is a leak that is totally true and i'm not even going to try to grow a brain for a second to maybe realize 'huh, this is probably fake'" and "yes, don't forget to subscribe share favorite like with your friends for this extremely entertaining (but not really) video and can we hit ____ amount of likes for mega dunsparce?!?1/?!!?/!11?" Bonus points for "HEY LOOK AT ME" thumbnails of un-credited fanart.

Sorry, this stuff is just a huge peeve of mine, but I know I'm just going to get downvoted by their fanbase anyway, so I'm not even sure why I devote time into a paragraph of my thoughts and opinions on some of the rather stupid techniques youtubers have resorted to.

Zhadeblade · 15 時間前

I've read the majority of this thread now, and from what can see, either from mod screenshots, or from various user comments, including Oppa himself, there have been prior issues of miscommunication within the mod team. I very much liked Oppa as a mod. However, he overstepped his permissions, and the team became a solo. This is where the issue lies. This isn't about missing leaks. This is about a recent addition to the team going ahead with something without proper discussion. Sure, the mods didn't respond to Oppa immediately, but patience is a virtue, albeit one that is annoying to succumb to. Personally, I hate having to wait for things, and was a part of /r/dudewheresmybank at its height. This is simply one case that waiting could have prevented a decent amount of calamity.

The mods didn't react to Oppa's boldness astoundingly well, and this mod post was a long time coming. However, reinstating Oppa immediately is not exactly the appropriate response. A chance was given, and trust needs to be restored on both ends before wounds will heal. I do hope that the community understands both sides of this debate, as right now, there seems to be an angry mob around in favor of Oppa.

In addition, I hope that the community knows Oppa is unlikely to be reinstated while the mods are being hounded about the subject. Give it time, and it may be reconsidered. A mob has quite a polarizing effect.

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Nightynightynight · 14 時間前

I was a bit disappointed in the mods when they said that they believed that leaker but I also only remember Wumbo saying that. I just thought that It was way too dubious at that time and was wondering why the mods thought it was a good idea to let that "leaker" post those things.
I'm glad to see that they thought the same and didn't want that.
It might have been a bit too harsh to remove because of those few incidents but I'm siding more with the mods here. They haven't done anything yet aside from this that would make me think they're bad mods, so far it's been pretty good.

rezz1198 · 8 時間前

I see all these comments with people saying that everyone is pathetic and stupid etc. I think most people are biased. As a fairly new member of /r/pokemon I am unbiased and truthful. I almost agree, not to the use of language, but more of the suddenness of the whole thing. While yes, Oppa did release the pictures and messaged the other mods about it; he could have tried more than just a message or two, could have tried on other social networks etc. and discussed in full detail or even wait. On the other hand though, we have the mods who as far as I can tell haven't really discussed it with each other (and Oppa) which is almost the same. If we can just start with a blank slate and just all enjoy the subreddit, forget what happened and continue with lessons learned, I think we'll pull through. No one is pathetic, it's just a misunderstanding. If you think about it it's kind of like one child hitting another child, that child will always hit the other child back, but who's at fault, the child for hitting the other child in the first place, or the other child for retaliating? Just a simple analogy. And before I get down-voted to shit, please just watch this: http://youtu.be/m2YGLh-bMMo?t=1m40s

Dken2021 · 21 時間前

I am really disgusted with people treating /u/OppaWumboStyle as some sort of martyr. Legitimate or not, you do not risk that chance of crediting something as real when you yourself do not even have any way to know, and assuming is not a good response.

I rather this situation die out and go back to our regular "what is this sub even for?" rebuttal than let it continue on where it doesn't concern us at all.

AttackOnGodzilla · 21 時間前

Oppa shouldn't have gone behind the staff's back to lift a ban when it wasn't his place to do so. One question, is Throwaway banned again?

meeb12 · 21 時間前

I feel as if just because I'm a moderator speaking I'll get downvoted more for this but here goes.

Common arguments are Nobody replied to Oppa.

We would have, had we not had only two hours to reply before his decision, he unbanned the user quickly without warrant from any of us besides jensenj, and could have waited longer.

We are at fault for not being here when needed of course, but the fault is the fault, we can't change our schedules, but Oppa could have waited.

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