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[–]gayfarang -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Everyone by now knows this is how Reddit works. Posting your own stuff, over and over again, no matter how good it is, WILL get you shadowbanned.

If you're making DOTA-related content, simply wait for others to post it for you.

[–]Xenowar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (21子コメント)

and you see nothing wrong with that?

[–]AckmanDESU 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

and you see nothing wrong with that?

I ask you the same question. Why do you think this rule is a thing? What would happen if content creators could simply dump everything on Reddit? Reddit is about sharing not about advertising.

If his content is appreciated in the sub someone will link his videos anyway. In this case you could say his videos are well received by the community but Reddit is a big site.

The second thing to think about, which I mentioned in another post, is people asking for votes. This is what got Ongamers banned and it might be the reason why Noob got banned.

I don't actually know if he's done this but the quickest way to get banned is to link your Reddit thread on Twitter and ask for upvotes... Or anything similar.

If Reddit allowed that kind of stuff it would be a very different site.

[–]Xenowar -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

See my posts above somewhere.

Also where do you draw the line between a content creator who is well known enough to get his stuff posted and one who doesn't get his stuff posted all the time. Should he just wait a day for someone to post it and if no one does post it himself?

[–]AckmanDESU 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Quoting /u/gayfarang here:

If you create content that people enjoy, users will naturally share it without anyone having to ask anything.

Reddit isn't a charity. If your content is good enough someone will share it. If you post too much content, aka videos, not all of them are supposed to be posted in here. This is a Dota 2 subreddit not a NoobFromUA one. I enjoy watching one or two of his videos when they're posted but if I wanted more I'd subscribe on Youtube, that's what his channel is for. He was well known around here without every single of his videos being posted.

But, as I said, I don't really know why he's been banned. He didn't really spam his videos at all or post them himself so unless he advertised them somewhere else I see no reason to ban him.

[–]Xenowar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So I made a video a lot of people on this subreddit enjoyed. Do you know my youtube account? Would you know if I made another video? There are a lot of people who put quite a bit of effort into producing something worthwhile. Not everything becomes instantly popular (sometimes is does when it gets reposted by someone else). No one will post the video if no one knows they exist (or maybe only a handful of people)

[–]AckmanDESU -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't seem to get that there's a difference between you, me and a guy who makes 2 videos a day and has thousands of subscribers.

I also make videos and I post them. No one knows who I am. I doubt I'll get banned.

Difference is I post 2 videos + 2000 comments, whereas a giant could use his followers to advertise his videos.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the point. Where do you draw the line?

[–]ಠ◡ಠdrunkenvalley [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Reddit is about sharing not about advertising.

...So you want a repost machine. How you're viewing it posting original content is literally not allowed, and that's just fucking dumb.

[–]gayfarang -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I actually somewhat agree with it.

The problem with allowing users to post their own content over and over is that it would give an unfair advantage to professional outlets that can churn out tens of pieces of original content each day, while an independent creator only creates, say, an article or drawing per week.

[–]Misiok 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're a pro, you probably already have a following, and if you want to increase it, just ask someone that likes you, someone that isn't you to post it on reddit in private - bam, rules bypassed.

[–]gayfarang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what got OnGamers banned in the first place.

If you create content that people enjoy, users will naturally share it without anyone having to ask anything.

[–]:)Ice_Cream_Warrior[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree that could be a concern but all the "superbig" content creators get their stuff posted anyways and then is it still not getting automatically upvoted right away? All this does is make the second tier of content creators have less consistent posts when random users link it at potentially awful times of day. I'd also be shocked if the big users don't have a base of people that even if they aren't manipulating, would be able to make sure that links got up if they asked. Frequent content churning sources aren't guaranteed great reviews either and you'd get stuff like gosugamers and reinnnn posting stuff often over a year ago that would often get very mediocre voting and critical in comments regardless of it being a "well known content producer".

I really think this rule in the context of the sub only hurts these types of users (last week the easy rampage guy got it too) that are that second tier without an obvious organization and that you're navi, dc, cyborgmatt, in the past purge videos, join dota and many workshop creators like anuxi all will get huge exposure and likely added voting anyways. Why is then making sure that, at least at the start, these less represented content creators making sure they get titles they want and proper links and promoting self content that is actually getting voted on and popular, so bad. Reddit gains from op good content and in subs like this needs to be more particular and case by case with their moderation.

[–]gayfarang [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Letting anyone post their own content is actually what led to Digg's downfall and Reddit's rise in popularity.

Regarding upvote/downvote manipulation, Reddit has systems in place to make sure "upvote collusion" does not take place. It the same group of users consistently upvote content posted by user X, for example, it will get flagged.

Now, regarding the "people upvote what they want to see anyway" thing, which people usually use as a counter-argument to Reddit's own content rule: I frequently post content on Reddit and, as many others could confirm, I can tell you that making it to the front page or getting upvotes is a crapshoot. In the past, I have posted quality content that didn't get upvoted and died, and I have posted artwork (good, but not that great) that made it to the top of the front page. My point is, because it's a crapshoot, a company that produces, say, 10 articles or graphics per day, could easily get at least 1 or 2 of these to the front page every single day.

[–]2.7k mmr support (smh)Taknora [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

What about any of the professional maker reddits? r/turning r/woodworking Those are all self promotion and there happen to be quite a few professional people posting oc all the time.

[–]gayfarang [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Hi Ron Swanson...

Err, all I see on r/woodworking are links to imgur and self-posts. The Reddit rule only specifies that you cannot link to properties you own (as in your own website/YT channel/etc) more than once every nine posts.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Then they should make a distinction between professionals and simple content creators. Maybe ask for a proof that he isn't receiving ad revenue or something, but simply banning them is just ridiculous and borderline censorship.

[–]fireflash38 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can't ask for negative proof like that. It's like the classic argument 'prove to me god doesn't exist'.

Besides, it's practically impossible to differentiate easily between 'simple content creators' and professionals without introducing a colossal amount of judgement calls (or a ton of really close interaction with every single content creator, which is crazy far out of scope of what reddit could do).

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But this isn't about religion. You are saying guilty until proven innocent, which is morally wrong. If they implement such a system they have to deal with the downsides. Either hire more people to make these judgement calls or leave it to the subreddit mods.

[–]fireflash38 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was an example of a similar argument (proof that something does not exist: god::ad revenue).

There's a general rule for content creation/submission for reddit: 90/10. 90% of your contributions shouldn't be self-promotion. That's true for simple content creators, it's true for corporations, it's true for professionals.

Either hire more people to make these judgement calls or leave it to the subreddit mods.

I do agree w/ the subreddit mod bit; let the mods decide what is spam or not. Admins should step in when there is vote manipulation though.

Hiring more people to do that is clearly something that reddit admins do not want to do (I don't think that you quite realize how much bullshit is posted to the larger subreddits. /r/Dota2 is pretty small). You'd have to employ a metric fuckload of people to do that.

[–]newplayer1238 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe ask for a proof that he isn't receiving ad revenue

He's making ad revenue.

[–]gayfarang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit has millions of users, they can't manually check whether everyone is part of a professional organization or just an independent content creator.

As for the censorship part, the rules have been clearly stated time and time again.

And, just to be clear, I think NoobFromUA does create quality content and I sure am not glad he's banned. I'm just stating the rules.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said to /u/fireflash38, either deal with the downsides of your system by hiring more people or let the subreddit mods deal with it, but don't implement a heavily flawed system and expect people to not complain.

Just because the rules have been stated again and again doesn't protect them from criticism.

[–]ajdeemo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When was the last time he posted his own content? I don't think I've ever seen it, and even if I have, it's certainly not a common thing for him to post it.