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[–]blame it on the zombiesFillyMays 168 ポイント169 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Banning content creators is just going to lead to less content.

[–]ch33psh33p 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (19子コメント)

No, reddit operates under the assumption content creators will want to create more content as long as people continue to steal it and post to reddit without giving credit.

[–]MULTIPAS 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think, just maybe, probably, just might be something wrong with that logic.

[–]Vilmond 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It doesn't matter who posts the link to youtube, its still going to the creators youtube. If someone tries to duplicate and rehost videos themselves and spam them to reddit they would be banned and would easily get a bad reputation really fast.

The worst case scenario in most parts is a comic/still image creator producing stuff, having it get copied cropped/edited, and rehosted. Which happens but at the same time looks at most threads there is almost always a post highly voted for the "original creator" of such things.

You are literally making a case out of nothing, reddit is helping creators more than hurting them. Without reddit most of that content simply wouldn't be found, people wouldn't be going to the site irregardless of if it was posted to reddit or not. But by putting it out there even rehosted they get more exposure and chances of more people going to there site/channel/whatever.

Perhaps we can shut down Napster and it will help the music industry!

[–]AlphaCentauriC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

*

I like the word irregardless, irregardless of whether or not it's correct.

[–]ProjectileHerpes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I hate it.

Its a double negative.

Regardless = without regard

Irregardless = without without regard

It sounds completely retarded.

[–]AlphaCentauriC 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like the word irregardless, irregardless of whether or not it's correct.

[–]ProjectileHerpes [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I like reading/saying without without regard, without without regard of whether or not it's correct.

Suit yourself.

[–]Can't wait to see his 32% winrate.DrQuint [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It doesn't matter who posts the link to youtube, its still going to the creators youtube.

"Creators" includes "Digital Image Artists"

And those are credited roughly 20% of the time an we still do nothing about it.

[–]a7b9 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

So posting re-uploaded images without giving credit to the creator isn't wrong at all? Because someone might post the creator's name in comments?

[–]CJGibson [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure the person you are replying to said nothing remotely approaching that. In fact they quite clearly call that the "worst case scenario."

[–]frnky 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, yeah, except for the "steal" part.

[–]newplayer1238 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Content creators existed before reddit.

[–]woahmanitsme 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah but if they all exist on other sites, then that drives traffic away from this site to that one.

Reddit is good becaues of OC

[–]newplayer1238 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol what. literally every non-self post is a link to content outside reddit. OC just means non-repost. If it hasn't been reposted, it's original.

[–]j258d 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What? No. OC usually means that the content was created by the person posting it.

[–]newplayer1238 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, but my point is that doesn't mean the person created it specifically for reddit.

[–]woahmanitsme [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

OC does'nt mean non-repost, OC means the guy posting it created it

[–]me_so_pro [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How can you post youtube video without giving credit?

[–]All anger ends in cruelty.FlyBeavs -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Self promotion in most cases is fine as long as the creator gets no monetary gain from it.

[–]Oraclenerifs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not having good rules in the subreddit is really the thing that lead to less and worse content.

[–]couldn't find one...bmann10 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can I be banned for making up this comment?

[–]TheFryinScotsman 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's shadowbanned, nothing the mods can do other than manually approve each one of his posts.

[–]Gooolati [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Yea they said in his AMA that it was some automated thing because of all the traffic his twitter was sending over and that they'll fix it.

[–]ctharvey [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Link?

[–]Berzerk [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Wouldn't all of the big celebrity AMAs have the same problem too? And here

[–]ctharvey [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Yeah... doesn't mention any reason for him to not be shadowbanned. He's probably violating the too high of proportion of posts in self-advertising rule if I had to guess.

[–]Berzerk [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I don't think he's ever posted his own content here though, it's always other people posting it. I just don't understand how the reddit admins consistently fuck up like this.

[–]dezix 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Reddit is ded. Go back to Digg everyone!! Or 8chan.

[–]Deathnoob1337 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I just found out about 8chan what is this?

[–]EisenZelle99 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

bunch of people on 4chan wanted to discuss Gamergate, moot said no, they declared fascism and nazi mods and moved to 8chan.

[–]Cease! Mine genitalia can only stiffen to such a degree!grenadier42 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

discuss

[–]EisenZelle99 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I suppose that's an understatement.

[–]EGM-GODGingerPow [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

It's been around for about a year now, so it feels a bit disingenuous to directly link 8chan to GamerGate, it's just that a) GG caused the largest exodus to 8chan, to my knowledge and b) 8chan is home to a lot of the GG discussion.

[–]EisenZelle99 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

You're right, it just seems like 8chan is alive solely because of GG and sometimes Nazi mods that do it for free.

[–]EGM-GODGingerPow [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Alive: hard to say. But any relevancy 8chan has currently is due to GG

[–]I dont even play sniper i picked this to look coolDD_Commander [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

New 4chan since 4chan has social justice warrior mods that rule with the zeal of hitler

[–]MrWigglemunch [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just as an example, people were being banned from /pol/ for using words like nigger and fag... ... On /pol/

[–]What is dead gets offlane fedCosmoreader 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (11子コメント)

He started an AMA 30 minutes ago. http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2mk2m3/noobfromua_from_youtube_ama/

[–]weezer3989 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

At least the mods are doing a good job and restoring all his comments.

[–]woahmanitsme 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

intolerable made a bot to auto approve his stuff. Pretty awesome and the way it should be. Things are more complicated than reddit admins give credit for--- they're sweeping decisions dont make sense unless they understand the subreddit

[–]sneep sneepIntolerable [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

intolerable made a bot to auto approve his stuff.

no i didnt, we just told automod to "automatically approve noobfromua's comments on this thread when he posts them"

[–]weezer3989 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Now you're just spoiling your image. Embrace the reputation you have for whipping up a bot for everything.

[–]GoblinTechies [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

INTOLERABLE = BOTGUY = CHRISC

[–]sneep sneepIntolerable [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

spooky

[–]GoblinTechies [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Before Mac/Linux clients, before tournament tickets, before hats, there was bot guy. In the days of yore, when the game was in formal beta, there wasn't much content added on a weekly basis. There would be a bug fix or two, some performance improvements, maybe a UI tweak, and that would just about be the sum of the patch.

But bot guy.

Bot guy never disappointed.

Week after week, where the rest of the dev team failed to show up, bot guy would be wearing his Sunday best. Where you'd only see a few bullet points in the changelog under 'Bug Fixes,' you'd see a thesis under 'Bots.' It quickly grew into an inside joke amongst players to be excited for what new logic bot guy would bring to the table. A new patch? Sweet, I can't wait to see what kind of shenanigans Lich bot has been getting himself into. Eventually, Thursdays were no longer 'patch day' they were 'bot guy appreciation day.'

But it wasn't meant to be forever. The Dota 2 Store was added in May 2012 and the community had a new toy to play with. Bot guy's piece of the changelog pie slowly shrank as the Dota 2 dev team grew. We grew fat with content. Bot guy had forsaken us.

Until last patch, bot guy had effectively vanished since roughly early 2013, most likely to work on another Valve game. But with the addition of Bristlebot doxxing of Intolerable, we veterans were able to relive the glory that was the Dota 2 Beta. The glory that was chris"bot guy"_c.

[–]sneep sneepIntolerable [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

banned for revealing my alter ego

[–]woahmanitsme [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

oh my bad!

[–]lestye [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

they keep telling me the bot is on its way, and i approve these comments. its been an hour :-<

[–]GoblinTechies [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

LOTS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES

[–]MuhEsports 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (9子コメント)

FUCK YEAH REDDIT! LET'S BAN ALL CONTENT CREATORS!

This is fucking absurd. These things should be left to sub moderators. Original content is not ok if you post it yourself but ok if you steal someone else's work without giving them credit or having their permission (I'm talking more about what happens in other subs where people just repost whatever for karma). Sometimes I wonder why I still use this shitty site.

[–]frnky 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

How is posting a link stealing?

[–]kaybo999 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is probably referring to artwork, where people just post imgur links with zero credit to source.

[–]anyways_vs_anyway 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point still remains.

[–]GlobeOfNoobs_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Starting to look like Google's copyright issues..

come on, 'stealing' isn't the right word here

[–]anonymousxo [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Without attributing? Stealing credit.

[–]TweetPoster 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

@NoobFromUA:

2014-11-17 13:56:20 UTC

Reddit moderators plz unban me from Reddit... reddit.com

[Mistake?] [Suggestion] [FAQ] [Code] [Issues]

[–]Flair's Here!LastGreyWolf 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Reddit is getting real fucking old. When is the general user base going to stop putting up with this shadow banning bullshit? It is the dirtiest form of moderation possible.

[–]viva peruMonkeyBR 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, banning someone and stating a reason is fine, but you have to fucking beg to know why the fuck you were shadow banned, which is a fucking retarded way to ban people because it's silent and will take some time for them to find out.

Everything is so retarded

[–]hoseja 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's cool to use against spambots. This is abuse though.

[–]viva peruMonkeyBR [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I imagine it's good because the bot will just keep posting thinking that it's fine, but someone that can make a spambot can probably also check if the post he just made is actuall there with like one request or something...

There should be some kind of actual ban for people.

[–]I don't want to lose my DotA Techies flair.chrisrobin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

which is a fucking retarded way to ban people because it's silent and will take some time for them to find out.

The point is that if they realize they've been banned they'll just make a new account and start spamming again. Shadowbans keep spammers down to a minumum. That said, it's shitty when someone legitimate gets caught by it.

[–]AzertyKeys [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

except that there is this sub:
http://www.reddit.com/r/shadowban

[–]https://www.youtube.com/user/emseersboarnoah 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Posting OC should be allowed to a certain extent, fact is after all everyone did do some posting to get that initial audience and preventing that wouldn't be helping anyone.

[–]Stop hitting yourselflachesis17 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I left a message on his Steam profile a couple of hours ago saying that he was requested to do an AMA and left him a link to the Reddit thread.

I just feel fucking embarrassed now.

[–]www.youtube.com/nigmanonameNigmaNoname [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Stopping people from posting whatever they want worked so well for Digg, can't wait to see how it'l work out for Reddit!

[–]VincentOfGallifrey 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (16子コメント)

He probably posted one of his own videos on here.

[–]Outside my mind... Nothing is real...smileistheway[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

But he's banned from reddit, not this subreddit... or its the same thing?

[–]All anger ends in cruelty.FlyBeavs 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Self promotion is banned on the whole site.

[–]tomblifter 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Unless it's a backroom deal with celebrities involved.

[–]mugenTaichou 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ayyyy snap. No seriously what's the deal with it, assuming this is automatic trigger for shadowbanning, it's kind of ridiculous that there are people sharing their own content just to get banned like this. Let mods take care of people who are doing spam promotion crap in the subreddits.

[–]CJGibson [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

For Reddit to function properly, you can't have vote brigading. If it did, we wouldn't see the best content upvoted, but the content from the most popular people. Imagine if, for instance, Taylor Swift kept sending people to upvote the threads about her songs in /r/music. That wouldn't be so great. Cause you'd lose out on the major reason reddit is a good thing, which is discovery of interesting links based on whether people think the content on those links is good, not based on whether someone famous or popular told them to vote for it.

So when a particular off-site page sends a lot of traffic to a specific thread, especially if the admins can determine that the thread was posted by the person who controls the page sending traffic, it looks like vote brigading. And when it happens a lot, repeatedly, or in massive waves, they shadowban the person.

[–]:)Ice_Cream_Warrior[🍰] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude have I told you about rampart yet? You need to see my new film from almost 2 years ago called rampart. I'm doing an ama about rampart.

[–]DING DING DING DING WIN THE LOTTOmattbrvc [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thanks Obama

[–]Sc3p [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Hi, i'm XXXXX and heres my new project everyone should see and talk about! Victoria from reddit is helping me to advertise this stuff and sound cool to you guys!

[–]N0V0w3ls 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except if you're a celebrity.

[–]James1o1o 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kind of fucking stupid rule is that?

[–]Hive_64 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Let's hope the admins don't find /r/letsplay...

[–]1 last hitNickorama55 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

but I thought other users posted his videos

[–]VincentOfGallifrey 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, but maybe he did it himself once.

[–]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198005336292HappyVlane 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which wouldn't be a problem. It becomes a problem when you do it constantly and don't do anything else, like the Na'Vi reddit account.

[–]AckmanDESU 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought the biggest problem would be if he asked for upvotes or for people to go to his reddit threads on twitters or whatever.

I don't know if he does this but...

[–]Ember Spirit is underrated.ZahnGamer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the drama continues...

[–]14MySterY- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The questions is, WHY?

[–]2k mmrTheCyanKnight [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Reddit pls don't make me use Youtube directly to get my content *shiver*

[–]TheTVDB 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I know everyone is going to get into "stupid Reddit mods" mode, but consider something for a moment first. What happens if Reddit removes their automated system that caused this ban in the first place? We'll see an influx of promotional links throughout the site. Now in some cases it won't matter because we appreciate those peoples' content, but I think overall we'd definitely see a negative effect on the site.

I don't think the approach here is to flame Reddit for not allowing people to post their own content. I think the approach should be suggesting that Reddit improves their flagging system, and perhaps adds a manual review component or even a way for individual subreddits to see a report of shadowbans of frequent posters and a way to whitelist them for their sub.

[–]Nizqa [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

They should let subreddit mods decide what they want to banned from their sub.

[–]CJGibson [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

The admins don't shadowban people for "bad" content.

[–]Nizqa [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Correct. They shadowban people for posting their own content on subreddits that would welcome it with open arms.

[–]CJGibson [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because they don't want reddit to become just a promotional tool (outside the ads, at least). And honestly, no reddit user should either. As soon as it's kosher to use reddit as a promotional tool, it will stop being a place most people would actually want to visit.

[–]ಠ◡ಠdrunkenvalley [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I definitely think the approach here is to respond negatively to reddit's policy. It's a shitty policy to have site-wide. Subreddits like these are driven in part by content-creators putting out amazeballs stuff, but... they can't.

[–]beliEEveRondariel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rofl I wonder what the reason will be this time. Because really self promotion doesn't even apply. I can't remember the last time he posted his own content.

[–]newplayer1238 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's solely because he tweeted his AMA thread.

[–]Milith 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Isn't that the case of literally every single celebrity that did an AMA?

[–]pjb0404 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but that's just it they are celebrities. Have to bend the rules to let them promote their movies.

[–]Powerviolence RiffsEarth_Ripper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, reddit is mostly interested in mainly interested in hosting stolen nudes, and circlejerks around anti-feminist videos. It's the only shit people routinely buy `gold' over.

[–]Krehlmar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who? No I mean honestly I am bad with names, what's his main content creation?

[–]sneep sneepIntolerable [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

he does highlight reels and neat plays from (mostly) pro games

[–]russians are stupidNeeeeegeri 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this place is FUCKING SHIT

[–]hambeef [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

how does this stupid shit keep happening lmao

[–]ಠ◡ಠdrunkenvalley [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Dumb policy mostly.

[–]Razogh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Propaganda and false information every day on the front page. Nothing is done.

A content creator is making cool stuff and posting it on a small subreddit. Shadow ban. What

[–]M7Jagger [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What is the reason behind banning contet creators?

[–]Reead [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I've stopped worrying about this too much because the /r/Dota2 mods always seem to go to bat for the non-spammers caught in the wide-net style approach Reddit's admins / their automated system uses. I'm pretty sure posting a link to your AmA on twitter is the standard for identity verification, so I'm sure the ban won't stand.

[–]Mutilated_Pencil [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

WHO THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN

[–]Synchrotr0n [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well known celebrity doing a 15 minutes duration sellout AMA? Welcome aboard!

Small content creator posting content that is widely welcomed in the targeted subreddit? Better shadowbanning him from sight!

[–]gayfarang -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Everyone by now knows this is how Reddit works. Posting your own stuff, over and over again, no matter how good it is, WILL get you shadowbanned.

If you're making DOTA-related content, simply wait for others to post it for you.

[–]Xenowar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (21子コメント)

and you see nothing wrong with that?

[–]AckmanDESU 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

and you see nothing wrong with that?

I ask you the same question. Why do you think this rule is a thing? What would happen if content creators could simply dump everything on Reddit? Reddit is about sharing not about advertising.

If his content is appreciated in the sub someone will link his videos anyway. In this case you could say his videos are well received by the community but Reddit is a big site.

The second thing to think about, which I mentioned in another post, is people asking for votes. This is what got Ongamers banned and it might be the reason why Noob got banned.

I don't actually know if he's done this but the quickest way to get banned is to link your Reddit thread on Twitter and ask for upvotes... Or anything similar.

If Reddit allowed that kind of stuff it would be a very different site.

[–]Xenowar -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

See my posts above somewhere.

Also where do you draw the line between a content creator who is well known enough to get his stuff posted and one who doesn't get his stuff posted all the time. Should he just wait a day for someone to post it and if no one does post it himself?

[–]AckmanDESU 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Quoting /u/gayfarang here:

If you create content that people enjoy, users will naturally share it without anyone having to ask anything.

Reddit isn't a charity. If your content is good enough someone will share it. If you post too much content, aka videos, not all of them are supposed to be posted in here. This is a Dota 2 subreddit not a NoobFromUA one. I enjoy watching one or two of his videos when they're posted but if I wanted more I'd subscribe on Youtube, that's what his channel is for. He was well known around here without every single of his videos being posted.

But, as I said, I don't really know why he's been banned. He didn't really spam his videos at all or post them himself so unless he advertised them somewhere else I see no reason to ban him.

[–]Xenowar -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So I made a video a lot of people on this subreddit enjoyed. Do you know my youtube account? Would you know if I made another video? There are a lot of people who put quite a bit of effort into producing something worthwhile. Not everything becomes instantly popular (sometimes is does when it gets reposted by someone else). No one will post the video if no one knows they exist (or maybe only a handful of people)

[–]AckmanDESU -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't seem to get that there's a difference between you, me and a guy who makes 2 videos a day and has thousands of subscribers.

I also make videos and I post them. No one knows who I am. I doubt I'll get banned.

Difference is I post 2 videos + 2000 comments, whereas a giant could use his followers to advertise his videos.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the point. Where do you draw the line?

[–]ಠ◡ಠdrunkenvalley [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Reddit is about sharing not about advertising.

...So you want a repost machine. How you're viewing it posting original content is literally not allowed, and that's just fucking dumb.

[–]gayfarang -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I actually somewhat agree with it.

The problem with allowing users to post their own content over and over is that it would give an unfair advantage to professional outlets that can churn out tens of pieces of original content each day, while an independent creator only creates, say, an article or drawing per week.

[–]Misiok 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're a pro, you probably already have a following, and if you want to increase it, just ask someone that likes you, someone that isn't you to post it on reddit in private - bam, rules bypassed.

[–]gayfarang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what got OnGamers banned in the first place.

If you create content that people enjoy, users will naturally share it without anyone having to ask anything.

[–]:)Ice_Cream_Warrior[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree that could be a concern but all the "superbig" content creators get their stuff posted anyways and then is it still not getting automatically upvoted right away? All this does is make the second tier of content creators have less consistent posts when random users link it at potentially awful times of day. I'd also be shocked if the big users don't have a base of people that even if they aren't manipulating, would be able to make sure that links got up if they asked. Frequent content churning sources aren't guaranteed great reviews either and you'd get stuff like gosugamers and reinnnn posting stuff often over a year ago that would often get very mediocre voting and critical in comments regardless of it being a "well known content producer".

I really think this rule in the context of the sub only hurts these types of users (last week the easy rampage guy got it too) that are that second tier without an obvious organization and that you're navi, dc, cyborgmatt, in the past purge videos, join dota and many workshop creators like anuxi all will get huge exposure and likely added voting anyways. Why is then making sure that, at least at the start, these less represented content creators making sure they get titles they want and proper links and promoting self content that is actually getting voted on and popular, so bad. Reddit gains from op good content and in subs like this needs to be more particular and case by case with their moderation.

[–]gayfarang [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Letting anyone post their own content is actually what led to Digg's downfall and Reddit's rise in popularity.

Regarding upvote/downvote manipulation, Reddit has systems in place to make sure "upvote collusion" does not take place. It the same group of users consistently upvote content posted by user X, for example, it will get flagged.

Now, regarding the "people upvote what they want to see anyway" thing, which people usually use as a counter-argument to Reddit's own content rule: I frequently post content on Reddit and, as many others could confirm, I can tell you that making it to the front page or getting upvotes is a crapshoot. In the past, I have posted quality content that didn't get upvoted and died, and I have posted artwork (good, but not that great) that made it to the top of the front page. My point is, because it's a crapshoot, a company that produces, say, 10 articles or graphics per day, could easily get at least 1 or 2 of these to the front page every single day.

[–]2.7k mmr support (smh)Taknora [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

What about any of the professional maker reddits? r/turning r/woodworking Those are all self promotion and there happen to be quite a few professional people posting oc all the time.

[–]gayfarang [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Hi Ron Swanson...

Err, all I see on r/woodworking are links to imgur and self-posts. The Reddit rule only specifies that you cannot link to properties you own (as in your own website/YT channel/etc) more than once every nine posts.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Then they should make a distinction between professionals and simple content creators. Maybe ask for a proof that he isn't receiving ad revenue or something, but simply banning them is just ridiculous and borderline censorship.

[–]fireflash38 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can't ask for negative proof like that. It's like the classic argument 'prove to me god doesn't exist'.

Besides, it's practically impossible to differentiate easily between 'simple content creators' and professionals without introducing a colossal amount of judgement calls (or a ton of really close interaction with every single content creator, which is crazy far out of scope of what reddit could do).

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But this isn't about religion. You are saying guilty until proven innocent, which is morally wrong. If they implement such a system they have to deal with the downsides. Either hire more people to make these judgement calls or leave it to the subreddit mods.

[–]fireflash38 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was an example of a similar argument (proof that something does not exist: god::ad revenue).

There's a general rule for content creation/submission for reddit: 90/10. 90% of your contributions shouldn't be self-promotion. That's true for simple content creators, it's true for corporations, it's true for professionals.

Either hire more people to make these judgement calls or leave it to the subreddit mods.

I do agree w/ the subreddit mod bit; let the mods decide what is spam or not. Admins should step in when there is vote manipulation though.

Hiring more people to do that is clearly something that reddit admins do not want to do (I don't think that you quite realize how much bullshit is posted to the larger subreddits. /r/Dota2 is pretty small). You'd have to employ a metric fuckload of people to do that.

[–]newplayer1238 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe ask for a proof that he isn't receiving ad revenue

He's making ad revenue.

[–]gayfarang 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit has millions of users, they can't manually check whether everyone is part of a professional organization or just an independent content creator.

As for the censorship part, the rules have been clearly stated time and time again.

And, just to be clear, I think NoobFromUA does create quality content and I sure am not glad he's banned. I'm just stating the rules.

[–]Xenowar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I said to /u/fireflash38, either deal with the downsides of your system by hiring more people or let the subreddit mods deal with it, but don't implement a heavily flawed system and expect people to not complain.

Just because the rules have been stated again and again doesn't protect them from criticism.

[–]ajdeemo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When was the last time he posted his own content? I don't think I've ever seen it, and even if I have, it's certainly not a common thing for him to post it.

[–]pxbx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

aaaaand the mods are fucking morons

[–]Flair's Here!LastGreyWolf 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its not the mods. Its the admins.

[–]pxbx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

my bad

[–]sptagnew -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just make a new account.

[–]Velodog [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Man this subreddit is just retarded melodrama, who the fuck upvotes this, is it just like upvote bots or something, this is so dumb.

[–]staindk -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I want is that Arteezy Gyro game with audio :(

[–]tehniobium -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe it is because he made a reply to his AMA in Russian? I mean that is certainly against the rules...

(not that I in any way condone that he was banned. That's a retarded decision)