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[–]Humpy_Thrashabout 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (14子コメント)

That was basically a shitpost. And your arguments are pretty copypasta worthy.

Fair, next.

[–]rizlahh 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Agree. He's calling WATMM 'hipster' while posting a picture of his Mac in a fairtrade coffee shop and assuming it's actually of interest of anyone but himself.

WATMM is actually a pretty cool sub - we like posts actually about music making, not 'omg look how cool I am guise!"

Edit: Don't downvote him just because you disagree with him.

[–]justjacobmusic[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Agree. He's calling WATMM 'hipster' while posting a picture of his Mac in a fairtrade coffee shop and assuming it's actually of interest of anyone but himself.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that this post had already been liked and reblogged a bunch on other platforms before I submitted it to Reddit? This was not an assumption; it was a conclusion based on other real people's interactions with it. Moreover, I wasn't posting a photo of gear alone; I was posting a photo of me producing tracks tracks for a variety of music that one probably would never hear in a coffee shop like that right there in the coffee shop.

WATMM is actually a pretty cool sub - we like posts actually about music making, not 'omg look how cool I am guise!"

WAtMM is actually a cool sub; I agree with you about that. This is why it sucks so much for me that the head mod tripped so hard here. That said, I'm having a hard time taking your defense of the sub seriously unless you prefer to post under an alt account. From what I can tell, you've posted no content there at all over the six months you've held this account; here are a few posts I've shared on a variety of topics over just the last month or two:

Maybe you prefer interacting through commenting more?

[–]rizlahh 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that this post had already been liked and reblogged a bunch on other platforms before I submitted it to Reddit? This was not an assumption; it was a conclusion based on other real people's interactions with it.

Just because something is suitable for one place, doesn't mean it is suitable for another. A pic of the SSL C200 and rack of vintage gear I was using today might go down well in /r/audioengineering - doesn't mean it's suitable for WATMM or other music related subs.

Did those other platforms have strict rules about posting? WATMM does, and as a regular contributor you should know this.

That said, I'm having a hard time taking your defense of the sub seriously unless you prefer to post under an alt account. From what I can tell, you've posted no content there at all over the six months you've held this account;

Yes this is an alt acct. My main acct is mainly for modding (not WATMM) and 'serious' redditing. Whether someone posts in a sub doesn't have any bearing on the validity of their opinion or points of discussion.

I wasn't posting a photo of gear alone; I was posting a photo of me producing tracks tracks for a variety of music that one probably would never hear in a coffee shop like that right there in the coffee shop.

It was your mac, ableton and your push. You even had to mention it was a fairtrade coffeeshop for that extra hipster appeal (ironic considering you called the WATMM mods hipsters)

[–]justjacobmusic[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

1 day ban is probably easier than a warning - if a couple of the subs that I mod are anything to go by, you get a shitload of offtopic posts to wade through in your modqueue every time you log in (hence why I use an alt acct for my general Redditing to give me a break once in a while).

That's an interesting call. I think it risks coming off as heavy-handed, which is what happened here. But it need not be so; the second mod who responded to my complaint about the one-day ban did a great job simultaneously drawing a firm boundary while also communicating in a mutually respectful way. In general, I've seen a policy of escalation work better: Delete the offending post and issue a warning, in the event of a repeat or particularly egregious offense (as in severe abuses of reddiquette, hate speach, vote begging, etc.) issue a temporary ban, in the event of continued bad behavior issue a perma-ban. Bans work best when they're commensurate with the degree of offense.

A simple 1 day ban gets the message across without you having to note down names of frequent posters who break the posting rules. You only got your perma ban after whining to them. Their response to me shows that they have to deal with this a lot and have probably lost patience with people claiming "well it was an interesting picture!".

This is a biased statement. Yes, I protested the ban. No, I did not "whine" to them. My protestation was well warranted as they issued a ban for something that didn't happen, then--in the case of the head mod--used some fairly incendiary and progressively illogical language to enforce their errant ban. I agree with you that this sort of thing could be irritating to a mod, but that's their own damn fault if they create the conditions that provoke protesting bans. Namely, issuing them for the wrong reasons and then enforcing them after the fact with shaming language. That's a clear abuse of moddiquette, and I'm surprised to hear you defending it.

They don't want it to become a sub overrun with posts consisting of nothing but pics, and I don't blame them.

I don't blame them for that, either. I think you and I just disagree about the best ways to accomplish this goal. And that's okay :)

As for the wrong reason stated for your 1 day ban - he probably just selected the wrong option when hitting the button, it happens sometimes.

Perhaps you're correct about that. The follow choice of language was intentional, though, and most unfortunately erodes any benefit of the doubt an initial slip of the click might enjoy.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that this post had already been liked and reblogged a bunch on other platforms before I submitted it to Reddit? This was not an assumption; it was a conclusion based on other real people's interactions with it.

Just because something is suitable for one place, doesn't mean it is suitable for another. A pic of the SSL C200 and rack of vintage gear I was using today might go down well in /r/audioengineering - doesn't mean it's suitable for WATMM or other music related subs.

This is pretty close to moving the goalposts. I'm disputing your claim that I "assumed" other people would be interested in the submission. I did that by reminding you that other people actually were interested in the submission on other platforms such that my actions followed from that concrete reinforcement.

Matters of taste can be pretty tough to nail down, and your example illustrates this. I think a photo of an SSL C200 could be a well warranted submission on WAtMM, but I suppose other people might disagree with that. If you took some effort to clear that hurdle of making the submission "genuinely interesting, relevant, or educational," then it's best for the community to weigh in on that matter in aggregate through voting.

That said, I'm having a hard time taking your defense of the sub seriously unless you prefer to post under an alt account. From what I can tell, you've posted no content there at all over the six months you've held this account;

Yes this is an alt acct. My main acct is mainly for modding (not WATMM) and 'serious' redditing. Whether someone posts in a sub doesn't have any bearing on the validity of their opinion or points of discussion.

I'm asking because you're making claims that seem counterfactual based on what you've posted through this account. This is back-assed argument from authority; I'm just trying to learn whether you're bullshitting me or not. Thanks for clearing that up!

I wasn't posting a photo of gear alone; I was posting a photo of me producing tracks tracks for a variety of music that one probably would never hear in a coffee shop like that right there in the coffee shop.

It was your mac, ableton and your push. You even had to mention it was a fairtrade coffeeshop for that extra hipster appeal (ironic considering you called the WATMM mods hipsters)

Godammit--this was part of the point of the post! Have you been to Nashville? When's the last time you heard a garage track anywhere within several hundred miles of that town? And do you think the people listening to garage as they pass through Nashville are likely to hang out in a coffee shop like that? Part of the fun I was trying to poke in that post is exactly the thing you find so ironic--because thatsthejoke.jpg

[–]image_linker_bot -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]rizlahh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In general, I've seen a policy of escalation work better: Delete the offending post and issue a warning, in the event of a repeat or particularly egregious offense (as in severe abuses of reddiquette, hate speach, vote begging, etc.) issue a temporary ban, in the event of continued bad behavior issue a perma-ban. Bans work best when they're commensurate with the degree of offense.

I see what your saying and I mostly agree - but if you're modding a large sub, it's a herculean task to keep track of everyone that's been warned. A lot of people will just ignore a warning, while a 24hr ban get's the massage across - I don't think 24hrs is too overboard. I do agree the mods response in modmail was heavy handed and dismissive though. For myself, I always try and maintain a professional tone in modmail communications.

Have you been to Nashville? When's the last time you heard a garage track anywhere within several hundred miles of that town?

Actually you'd be surprised! I haven't been to Nashville but I would love to though, even thought I'm not a country fan. There are a lot of cool recordings coming out of Nashville these days that are miles away from the type of music it's famous for.

The Raconteurs, Kings of Leon, White Stripes, REM, Robert Plant, Kesha, - all recorded albums in Nashville. It's no longer famous just for country - that time is long gone, but as a centre of excellence with fantastic studios for all genres. I would say it rivals L.A in terms of it's pull for musicians wanting to record in quality facilities.

There are two studios I would love to record at in the US - Steve Albinis studio in LA and Blackbird Studio in Nashville (mainly for their fantastic outboard selection).

We probably agree on most things regarding music to be honest, you seem like a nice guy - but I still have to disagree that your post was suitable for WATMM. I can see why the mods hand out 1 day bans instead of warnings, but I can also see why you were pissed of at their communication which was piss poor and unprofessional. I think maybe your attempt to be lighthearted in your initial communication with them came across as sarcastic - getting tone across in text is notoriously difficult. It could be that your message was another in a long line of "why was I banned?" posts and you happened to catch the wrong mod at the wrong time. Still, it doesn't excuse their tone when talking to you.

Before logging into this acct I logged into my main - 43 items in modqueue and 16 messages to mods - and that's only in 12hrs. We only hand out bans for racist/homophobic/etc type comments and even then we get inundated with 'why was my post removed/banned' for over 1/2 of them. I suppose it's our fault for encouraging our members to report such content and making a rod for our own back. Oh joy! lol

[–]idkmybffyossarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear it all the time up here in Bowling Green, and I'm less than an hour away from the illustrious Nashvegas.

[–]idkmybffyossarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that this post had already been liked and reblogged a bunch on other platforms before I submitted it to Reddit?

13 notes on Tumblr and 18 likes on Instagram?

[–]justjacobmusic[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't even mention all the high fives illustrious exponents of the Fort Wayne, IN indie rock scene gave me in person when I was hanging out at that one 7-11...

[–]Omnislip 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shitposts get upvoted. Your post history gas no bearing on this shitpost. You were being an argumentative prick as well as that mod, you know.

[–]justjacobmusic[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You were being an argumentative prick as well as that mod, you know.

Help me understand your view on why its argumentative in the pejorative sense of the word to protest a ban issued for the wrong reason. In your book, at one point does this stop being reasonable and start being prickish, and why?

[–]SamWhite 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

His argument included the sentence "I noticed you forewent interacting with my addressing of this specific addressing of this point". If that won't get your ban lifted, I don't know what will.

[–]justjacobmusic[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol! SamWhite, you are right on this one. I should have cooled my heels for a while before responding to that message.