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Harassment + Privacy (self.Monstercat)

3vansDay One[M] が 投稿

EXTRA: I want to apologise for the drama I've caused on this subreddit. I was well aware from the beginning that the split between the team on Twitter of older users, and /u/milanbourbeck's group would certainly flare up with this post, and as such it was maybe a little irresponsible of me to make this post. Please understand that everyone here tries their hardest to make this community as good as it can be, and sometimes that leads to decisions people aren't happy with. For those of you who support it, thank you, and for those that don't, I'm sorry.

Today I've had to make two huge decisions on behalf of the mod team and I need to discuss them with you all.

The first of these relates to this post, which reads as such:

Hey man I was mod [at the fappening]. I didn't leaked the stuff. All I did was keeping the place clean, helping with Modmails, DMCA takedowns and dealing with the Reddit admins. Not more and not less. On another note tho: If anyone uploads something into a forgein/ ppuplic server (what the icloud is) then you have to expect with hacks or the fact that the servers simply die out and you pose all your data. This is even in the License agreement. If a celebrity uploads all his pictures including nudes which are sensible information and could ruin their career then its kinda there own fault for not being careful enough. These things happen, have ever happend and won't stop happening. But this time it was the biggest leak in the history of the internet. And I was one of the insiders that managed everything. Do i think that's cool? Fuck yes! But that's just my personal opinion. And before you turn my word around just to make this clear: I dont think invading someone's privacy is cool. But all the leaks were. If they are invading of privacy or not I don't care. I'm just proud to be a part of it. Good lord we had 20Million hits in a day...

Obviously, if you read my deliberations below this post, you'll understand that the decision is difficult, and is treading a fine line between dealing with issues regarding the subreddit and users of this subreddit. As such, I've made the decision to permanently ban /u/milanbourbeck, as I personally cannot condone his actions in moderating /r/TheFappening, but more importantly defending, and glorifying it. I hope everyone reading this is able to do the same, and understand that what he did is completely unacceptable anywhere, internet or outside.

The second of these is about harassment. It concerns a number of accounts causing the systematic bullying of /u/wJake1 over the past month, all of whom I believe to be ringled by /u/YoDigDoug. As per Jake's request, I have banned /u/wJunek1, /u/hellohiman123, /u/wDoug1, /u/wMilan1 (unconnected to /u/milanbourbeck), /u/wILLUMINATI1, /u/wTyco1, /u/wzes1, and /u/YoDigDoug. We do not tolerate or condone any form of harassment on the subreddit, and I ask that anyone experiencing or seeing harassment on the subreddit should directly message the moderators as soon as it occurs.

As we expand beyond 11,000 members we are going to experience more and more instances like this. I hope that in future the subreddit becomes a much nicer place to visit because of decisions like these. Thank you to everyone who has continually supported us with these issues, and also thanks to those who have been critical so that we can make the best decisions.

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[–]7MDead7 Minutes Dead (Verified) 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The fact you banned someone from a subreddit for reasons that are in no way related to this subreddit is very poor moderation. "I don't like this person" or "I don't like their opinions" are not reasons to ban someone from a public forum. They just aren't.

I feel like I'm visiting a high school when I come to this subreddit. A bunch of kids that I love but they still do dumb kid things.

On another note, SIR WALKING AND I WILL BE STREAMIN' TONIGHT!.. After some tests. Smash Bros Project M 3.5 just came out.

[–]TheLordOfSmugAero Chord 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You gotta remember, a good portion of this sub is in or fresh out of high school.

[–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You gonna make a post so it gets more attention? I think some Smash will help get peoples mind off things and calm things down a bit.

[–]7MDead7 Minutes Dead (Verified) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mister Walking will!

[–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just saw his post and upvoted it. Lookin forward to watching! :)

[–]reptilianhumanGrant Bowtie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do both of you stream or just one of you?

[–]7MDead7 Minutes Dead (Verified) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both!

[–]unstabLe_Lets Be Friends -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Truth right there by the main man himself. Took the words out of my mouth.

This is 1/3 "Non-Monstercat hey look at this cool song i found", 1/3 "ARTIST MAKING SONG HYPE", 1/3 shitpost. Actual discussion posts are rare.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] -6 ポイント-5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry. I feel bad that one of my favourite artists disagrees with my actions here, but fair enough.

[–]7MDead7 Minutes Dead (Verified) 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't worry, I won't ban you. :P

[–]TeeKayTank007 - Solace 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

what a god

[–]Ric-A-RackVarien 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no u

[–]SuperMario12347 Minutes Dead 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay I agree totally that you banned the people bullying /u/wJake1. That was just the right decision.

But I totally disagree with the ban of /u/milanbourbeck.. What does his actions in moderating /r/TheFappening and his opinion on it to do with this sub? Exactly! Nothing! So why the ban? Just because /u/3vans doesn't have the same opinion on that topic? Sorry but that's not a valid explanation imo. You can't just go around and ban people because you disagree with them. He didn't break any rule with that on this sub.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What? Milan's moderation history should have no bearing on this sub. He didn't do anything really wrong, just moderated a sub that distributed images that were literally on every corner of the internet already. Do I get banned because I have some of the pictures saved?

[–]cschmittieyTristam 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this

[–]woflcopterSplitbreed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes you do.

gets knocked out with ban hammer, put in ban body bag, dragged to ban bridge, and thrown into ban river to be eaten by ban fish

[–]GiantSkyhawkTelevisor 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not a power-user of this subreddit or anything, but the banning of milan seems, quite frankly, really shady. The second half of this I completely agree with, but milan's actions have nothing to do with this sub.

Really disappointed in whoever was involved in making that call, though what I say at this point means nothing.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yes. It looks shady. I'm sorry. I try to push personal relationships and feelings towards people out of my decision-making, and instead keep it just to what I feel is morally correct or not. I don't want to get too philosophical on this.

[–]GiantSkyhawkTelevisor 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think the problem the majority of the commenter's speaking against the ban have is that this was a decision based on morality rather than anything else. What do someone's moral views/actions have to do with a subreddit about EDM? What if it turned out that /u/EternalHipster was a convicted felon and belonged to a gang? (Not insinuating anything at all here, I'm just using an example) Would he then be banned?

Ninja Edit: For the record, I don't think you meant to have anything personal in making this call, I just don't think the reasoning is solid.

[–]EternalHipsterProtostar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha, see the reply from /u/RealNonimous for answers!

[–]RealNonimousFalcon Funk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a close friend of /u/EternalHipster's, I can confirm that he is a convicted felon and belongs to a gang. He is also Barry White.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is exactly the discussion we need to be having in future, once all of the initial drama has died down. This is the moral principle that the debate stems down to.

[–]cschmittieyTristam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I'll for one be glad to put in my opinion.

[–]SiKBiTLets Be Friends 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're seriously banning Milan because of that? To be honest what happens around the subreddit is none of your business. The sub is about Monstercat and I think everyone should be allowed to discuss it, regardless of their past actions. All that matters over here should be that we're here because all of us like Monstercat.

Also, just my opinion: you're talking like Milan was helping with the holocaust. Celebrity leaks aren't THAT bad.

[–]TheOfficialJWOKPIXL 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think banning Milan was the right decision, more so that it was a permaban. Not going to sugarcoat anything, this was quite the dumb move. For something that happened right about month ago is also contributing to the fact that it was unnecessary. He wasn't breaking any rules from what I understand, and The fappening isn't related to Monstercat in any way, shape, or form, even including the comment. He is an active member of the community that I know a lot of people will miss.

I do not hate 3vans, but this was quite unnecessary. If it were up to me, I would unban him.

[–]ivGfgtsGrant Bowtie 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]SwecPIXL 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Personally, I don't think you shouldv'e banned milan. That's dealing with a sub that has nothing to do with this one. He is still a member of our community, and the fappenning happened months ago. It's not really of "importance" anymore. It's not like people are going to remember him for moderating that shit (except they will now cuz you brought it up)

EDIT: I don't support the fappening or anything, I just feel like banning milan wasn't how things should've gone down.

[–]Hydrogenation 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this, I don't understand why something such as this would be cause for banning someone from the community if they haven't acted in any way against the community itself.

I came across this from elsewhere but I do listen to the music, which is why I'm commenting. All I wanted to really say is that with his reply here and elsewhere I might be less likely to really listen to the music itself. I know it sounds silly but I don't know if I want to unintentionally promote (I might mention it to a friend or similar) music that has a community which I don't agree with.

(I just feel like when people get turned off by things for reasons like this nobody knows about it. This time I just saw a way of letting others know too.)

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

This is a part of the dilemma I faced. In the past, certainly, we haven't banned people for things they have done outside the subreddit - but I recognise now that any community is not just what happens within its walls, but the sum total of its members. If someone does something outside of this subreddit, it affects their behaviour within this subreddit.

[–]SwecPIXL 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it only now has effect on people because you brought it up. If nothing of it surfaced, no one would have been up in arms on the subject, and Milan wouldn't have to be banned

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (10子コメント)

how did something that happened like 3 months ago (also totally unrelated to the community) to one user of the sub have any considerable effect on the community as a whole

[–]JaXXupSCNDL 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If someone does something outside of this subreddit, it affects their behaviour within this subreddit.

This was posted 17 days ago by Milan. Idk how he found that picture of /u/DubzMC, but my guess is that he must have snooped around his social accounts and found an image of him to use in that image macro. That doesn't sound like something a guy who doesn't "think invading someone's privacy is cool."

Granted, it's not very hard at all to find a picture of /u/DubzMC, but who downloads and uses pictures of other people in image macros without the person's permission?

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That picture has been known for a while

[–]JaXXupSCNDL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Could you provide a link to somewhere that picture was used before Milan used it?

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure it was on his twitter or something. There's a lot of him on there.

[–]MunstacatMedya 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I got that send to me by a friend if you wanna know it exactly. I work 6 days a week. Do you think I have time to snoop around peoples accounts? Certainly not.

Again for those who are clearly not getting it. I moderated. I did not hacked or invaded anything. I removed troll gifs, comments and watched out for other normal stuff. Maybe backing up links here and there. Thats it. Mostly boring stuff that has nothing to do with the pics tho.

[–]JaXXupSCNDL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you think I have time to snoop around peoples accounts?

You had time to do your Monstercat news sub, moderate a sub intended to lure iPhone 6 plus fans in just to harass them among other things, so I would say yes, but that's not relevant for this at all.

Again for those who are clearly not getting it. I moderated. I did not hacked or invaded anything. I removed troll gifs, comments and watched out for other normal stuff. Maybe backing up links here and there. Thats it. Mostly boring stuff that has nothing to do with the pics tho.

That's not the issue here. The issue is that you indirectly supported the distribution of the images by keeping the place clean of unrelated content. One could say that you were even encouraging the distribution of the images by not only moderating /r/TheFappening, but also /r/TheSecondCumming and creating /r/TheRealFappening.

That said, your actions during the fappening have nothing to do with this subreddit, and while I don't agree with /u/3vans decision to permaban you, I do think he has a point with this sentence:

If someone does something outside of this subreddit, it affects their behaviour within this subreddit.

That isn't grounds for banning you until you do anything that violates anyones privacy on this sub, though, so unless you ever do any privacy-violating here, /u/3vans wasn't right to ban you, IMO.

[–]MunstacatMedya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was Invited to moderate the IPhone sub for some reasons. The creator abandoned it and I took it over. Im not a fan of apple and don't wanna moderate another sub any time soon. That's the story behind that.

Yeah I created that sub when the servers broke down to give people a place. I noped out when there were already 50K hits after 2 min. Later another mod asked me of we could team up. I needed some help because of the data flow and posts said yes.

GG on finding that.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That thing wasn't made by Milan, I know who did make it but I'm not going to say who it was. That picture was from his public twitter.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

His actions in all of that stem to the person he is beneath it. This kind of person is not someone I can get behind and accept as a member of a subreddit where I have the power to remove them.

[–]MunstacatMedya 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did I affect this sub with my behavior on /r/TheFappening tho? Serious question.

Other than that you don't like it from a moral point.

[–]PanthaeonLaszlo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This.

[–]MonstercatMedia 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Edit: I've unstickied the post. The point has been made, doesn't have to be stickied any longer.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks Mike :)

[–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Resticky the social post, plz.

[–]44DiamondsTristam 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Have put in my two cents for this one, and I'm gonna be straight up. I'm not gonna be nice about this.

That was a terrible, terrible move 3vans. Milan is easily one of the most liked users on this subreddit, banning him was one of the worst things you've done. So he was involved with the Fappening. So. Fucking. What. The actions of a user shouldn't affect their status on another. Sure the Fappening was wrong because it invaded the privacy of celebrities. Sure it was morally wrong of Milan to be involved in it, and say it was "cool."~~ That is no reason to ban him here. That was really stupid of you for doing that, and he really should be unbanned. 3vans, even if you are a mod and even if you are well respected in other people's eyes, you just lost a ton of respect from me. I never expected you to ban someone over something completely unrelated to this subreddit. Digging up shit from so long ago just shows that you just wanted an excuse to ban him. Good job.

Oh, and by the way, hey everybody, I'm back.

[–]MunstacatMedya 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

support it, and say it was "cool."

Just wanna throw in that this was related to the fact on how big this was. I honestly couldn't care less about the pics. But being in a team that made it in the news basically everywhere around the world... That was something.

Also WB

[–]44DiamondsTristam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edited for you and thanks

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Welcome back nerd

[–]44DiamondsTristam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Thanks loser

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

rule 3

[–]44DiamondsTristam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Rule 69 amirite

[–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

How's the challenge?

[–]44DiamondsTristam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pretty good actually, tbh I'm not that hyped about some of the releases, avoiding the Muzzy release has been difficult though. I haven't listened to anything, no podcasts, no /u/Samdurott previews, nothing at all

And being the immature little fuck that I am, I really feel the need to point out that /u/Samdurott has been on reddit for 420 days

[–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

One Look was amazing, tbh.

Muzzy was meh (IMO)

[–]44DiamondsTristam -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was it anything like Endgame? That was amazing

Or was it like Insignia or something else?

[–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Endgame? Ehhh, not really.

Insgnia, no.

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a bit like the drop of endgame, no melody

[–]TheOfficialJWOKPIXL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just saw this right now. I think a lot of us would unban him if it was up to the community. He will be missed.

Also, welcome back c:

[–]44DiamondsTristam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was up to us, there wouldn't be any hesitation. We would all unban him

And thanks for the welcome :3

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Okay, I can sort of understand the second situation. But banning Milan? The part that irks me is that you waited 4 Weeks to do ANYTHING. That's just ridiculous. I'm not condoning what happened during The Fappening nor am I saying what he did was right, but taking action 4 Weeks afterwards...I would either regard that as lazy or you're doing it to bring an excuse to the table that you don't like the user. I would sincerely love a reply from you regarding this, because that's completely ridiculous.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I found the comment whilst investigating posts for the second ban chain. The reason why I waited 4 weeks is because, as I said in my comment reply, it was removed by AutoModerator. By the time I got to it it was as good as unposted.

Again, I deliberate on this decision in my comment reply.

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Okay, so why make any action at all? It was removed...4 weeks ago. Nobody cared about. No one knew about it until you brought this up.

investigating posts for the second ban chain.

Okay, I've not modded a sub officially, so I'll assume you were scouring posts for people to ban? Is that correct? Meaning you deliberately were looking for evidence to ban someone, be it recent or old. I want some clarification on what that means before I continue any further with how...proposterous and twisted that sounds.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm talking about the harassment of /u/wJake1. I was not looking for people to ban, I simply came across the comment whilst scrolling through that post. The comment that drew my attention was this one - not harassment of Jake, but on a post which I wanted to check if it had been removed.

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Alright, I'm gonna say it plainly here, 3vans: You are not fit in any way to mod this sub. You completely undermine anything the defending user has to say because of personal opinion and then back that up by saying you can do so because of your mod powers. That's a complete roundabout way of saying, "I can do what I want because I can." You can't let your personality interfere with moderation, that's not how this works.

Another thing is how completely blind you are to other users of this sub who are also completely immature and rude. There's been so much drama here on the sub, yet you and the other mods turn a blind eye. Yet, when it pertains to any of the defending group, "Oh, guess we'll have to butt in here." Tyrannical to say the least. I hope, after this whole fiasco, that you change your outlook on things because this is not how you do things. Other people may be scared to speak their minds, but I most certainly am not. I will go that extra mile to get things done because I care about this sub and the people in it, unless someone who thinks their better than someone else decides to shake things up and start something.

[–]SuperMario12347 Minutes Dead 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You completely undermine anything the defending user has to say because of personal opinion and then back that up by saying you can do so because of your mod powers. That's a complete roundabout way of saying, "I can do what I want because I can." You can't let your personality interfere with moderation, that's not how this works.

I agree completely.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. Nobody is fit to moderate anything. We try our hardest because that's our duty.

Also, really sorry about the second one. I have exams and other things in my life. We don't turn a blind eye to abuse, I usually never see half of the bad stuff that happens here, or when I do it's too late to intervene. I want to improve this in the future :)

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please do, that stuff really gets out of hand and is probably a minor reason why this struck a chord with me. As well, I think we should replace or add more mods since this stuff happens frequently and you guys, for some reason or another, never catch it. I don't want another 4 week late ban because of a ridiculous reason. See where I'm going with this?

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mmm. The problem is drawing from the current userbase is going to cause rifts, but drawing from people who don't really care about the community means they won't be as invested in it. We'll see what we can do in future, but it's ultimately Mike's decision.

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand that. I know he sides with you in the current case, which is his decision, so he won't listen to me. Regardless, I will still feel the same. Also, I apologize for acting rather rudely, but this whole thing struck a chord with me on how far-fetched it seemed in my eyes.

I feel like more watchful eyes on the sub will do it good. Just my two cents.

[–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You definitely need more mods from more continents. As it is it seems the entire portion of 10:00 UTC to around 18:00 UTC goes entirely unchecked.

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    [–]thejaf711WRLD 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think a lot of people are worried about the precedent that this ban could set. I'm pretty sure he's not the only possible scumbag in the community, but what bearing does any of those actions have here? If I believed that /r/TheFappening was a good thing and totally ok, would I get banned? Probably not. But what if down the road I had an opinion that mods didn't like, and they remembered this incident of a man having an opinion (albeit a shitty one) a mod didn't like and ban me? This situation is pretty bad honestly. Lets not have a repeat.

    [–]MunstacatMedya 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (69子コメント)

    /u/milanbourbeck here. I wanna say a few words about this.

    This comment is taken out of context and was 4 weeks ago. I have totally forgotten a out it as well. Why I get banned right now is beyond my understanding.

    I did not violate any rule or have been rude in any way. I even stated my personal opinion whatsoever and I think invading someone's privacy is not cool. What most don't know is that mine has actually been invaded because of that as well but I don't wanna go deeper into that. It was a thing of 3 days and its over since 2-3 months.

    The fact that this gets written into a sticky and linked with my name is just disgusting and shows poor moderation in my opinion. I don't say I hate 3vans or think he is an asshole. I just say this was a wrong move as a moderator. And I don't mean the ban.

    What belongs my ban I could honestly not care less. It sucks yeah sure and I would like to be unbanned again but I have started away from this place because it gets worse and worse each week. The community grows and the quality drops. Usual case. Have seen this happening with a few sub's already. I will probably be using different accounts to share some thoughts which I will not give away but as I said I rarely posted/ commented anymore.

    I myself found the community I like and love and it filtered the best out of Monstercat for me. I am happy so far with the people I met.

    Now it would be nice to leave this account unbanned for a few hours to give me the chance to reply to a few comments because switching account is annoying on my phone. I'm on vacation right now... Have a good night! Bye!

    Edit: Also not to forget how completely unrelated another sub that was closed, deleted and nuked 2-3 month ago is with this EDM subreddit. What I would understand tho is that you looked for a reason to get rid of me. In that case I could show you better comments or posts that actually violate a rule tho.

    [–]Ric-A-RackVarien 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm 100% on your side with this one mate, what 3vans done was out of line and unrelated

    [–]3vansDay One[S,M] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Okay, as I explained earlier, your getting banned right now over anything is to do with the fact that the post was originally removed by AutoModerator. Before I saw it, it is safe to say that not a single human had seen that post. I chose to ban you because of it for reasons I've mentioned in that comment reply.

    Again, what you have done in the past, and what you said is beyond any kind of reason or explanation. Clearly your objection to the ban is proof that you can't understand what's wrong about what you did to proliferate the invasion of privacy of celebrities. What little conscience you have cannot grasp that people you will never know or empathise with are suffering and have suffered in part because of your role in that subreddit.

    Making this post, on the other hand, is important because this entire community needs to understand that what you (and /u/YoDigDoug) have done is completely unacceptable. Not calling you out or linking the post could have only led to confusion and resentment regarding your ban.

    There's not much else I can really say. Sorry if you don't understand, I hope in the future you'll realise.

    [–]togaweStephen Walking 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    About to voice my opinion, hopefully I don't get banned too /s

    The way you keep referring to his views is extremely condescending, as you keep saying that he lacks morals and is a horrible person beyond helping, which is an extremely awful thing to say. Just because his morals happen to be different from yours doesn't mean they're wrong. If you were in his perspective, you'd think that the mod was the bad guy. While I do agree that exposing someone's private information is a horrible thing to do, milan didn't actually do any of the exposing. He only moderated the sub to keep it running smoothly, just as you don't actually post news to this sub but you keep it running smoothly (which you almost always do a great job of doing btw!). His actions in that sub have not reflected how he acts on here, and that is not fair grounds to ban him. Somebody could be an active user of 4chan's /b/, which has a very specific form of communication that tends to use language offensive to many people, yet come on this sub and not communicate in that way. A person can act differently in different places and around different communities, so just because he did something you morally disagree with on one sub doesn't mean he should be banned from this sub unless he has broken any rules. I'm not saying I think those who exposed the celebrities' pictures did something great, because I believe invading their privacy is wrong. However that's just my opinion. But it's also my opinion that someone who didn't even invade anybody's privacy, let alone on this sub, should be banned. If every mod thought the way you did, one crazy mod deciding to ban you from their niche sub with ridiculous posting rules would get you a sitewide ban from all of reddit.

    [–]3vansDay One[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hmmm - you raise a lot of good points and take the discussion a level above what it's been so far, so thank you for that.

    Yes - in a postmodern society we understand and believe that morals are relative, that truth is not an absolute, and that these kind of things change depending on the culture that they're in.

    And definitely, I'm probably very incorrect here in applying the general global opinion to a scope a lot smaller - and maybe I should have applied the morals which just concern the subreddit.

    The other issue is that my actions aren't just confined to the subreddit - if the subreddit were in a vacuum there would be no need to ban, but we recognise that there is no such vacuum.

    [–]togaweStephen Walking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I can understand how it was a very tough decision, and I'm not trying to hate on you just because I disagree. If I was in your position I'm sure I'd have just as much trouble, so I apologize for anyone personally attacking you just because they're upset. You've done a great job modding so I hope people will be able to get over the one thing you've done they don't like and realize how much you've helped make this sub better. Kudos to you for remaining polite with a lot of people being jerks.

    [–]MunstacatMedya 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Okay so let me get this straight. You ban me for something I did 3 months ago that is in no way connected to this sub and did not hurt anybody IN THIS COMMUNITY just because you think what I did is wrong and you saw it by accident? Wow.

    Listen. What I do in my free time is my thing. When I go ahead and play video games then that is my thing. When I moderate a subreddit that has to do with a subject you dont like or approve then that's my thing. Your job as a moderator here is to watch out that the community goes well and no one violates the rules. I think personal preferences should be left out of that.

    It is like banning someone because they listen to music you don't like. Just with another subject. I did not invade anyone's privacy in the first place tho. What I did was backing up links as I stated before. Not that this matters or something.

    It looks like I am not allowed to speak free about stuff like that as it looks like tho. GG!

    I wish you fun with the shitstorm that is coming. What you did was pretty bad moderating. :)

    [–]rydaaavBraken 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    minus some of the passive aggressiveness i more or less agree with this

    [–]3vansDay One[S,M] -10 ポイント-9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Again, you nullified your freedoms in this community when you supported the invasion of privacy for your own pleasure.

    edit: looking back this was a little harsh. Perhaps the way I applied existing legal ideas to this maybe doesn't work?

    [–]MunstacatMedya 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good to know. Might as well let everybody on here know that what they do in there personal free time will affect if they get banned on /r/Monstercat or not.

    [–]cschmittieyTristam 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It doesn't matter what the issue is, it's unrelated. I'm just going to put this bluntly, you're overstepping your bounds. As a mod on /r/Monstercat, you shouldn't be banning people for activities on a subreddit that isn't /r/Monstercat.

    Simple enough.

    [–]97_Glen_Rice 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Do you realize that the fappening still would have been just as popular whether he was involved or not? Holding him accountable for it is like Mitt Romney blaming one random republican voter for losing the election because he voted for Obama. Holding him accountable in a completely unrelated sub where he hasn't done anything wrong is just petty and spiteful. You're letting your emotions dictate your actions, and that's the sign of a poor leader.

    Is this a sub for people that agree with you on everything? Is this a place for people who all think and act like you? You're a joke.

    [–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Hey now, don't personally insult him.

    I don't agree with the ban whatsoever, but there is no need to insult /u/3vans. He did what he thought was right, that's all. He doesn't deserve this.

    [–]97_Glen_Rice -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    He's being a childish dick by making this a sticky and airing this out for everyone to see. I stand by my words.

    [–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's making an example so as what not to do, I do agree however giving out the name etc was a disgusting thing to do, but I don't believe any actions he makes on the internet for an online forum warrant some things being said here.

    [–]97_Glen_Rice 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    He's out of line and he's dictating with his emotions. It's not his place to hand out judgments for something unrelated to his sub. He can ban him if he wants, but that doesn't change the fact that he's being a petty asshole about it.

    [–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I'm not disagreeing with you, however saying those things to him and not being very nice about it doesn't make those saying it much nicer than he.

    [–]Swiftykitty2KRazihel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Downvotes are for things that are not relevant. A mod explaining his decision is probably the most relevant thing that can be posted. No clue why his defenses are being downvoted.

    [–]LegstronkStonebank -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    you didnt just get banned for that lone comment. you got banned for your dickish ways as well

    [–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Yeah I see his involvement with the fappening as the straw that broke the camels back. Not the sole reason for the ban.

    Edit: Okay so his involvement with the fappening was the sole reason. Not gonna lose any sleep over this either way.

    [–]TonyTheCookieDirect 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Not just that imo, I'd say it's his past actions on the sub

    [–]rydaaavBraken 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    something something milan hate circlejerk

    [–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    a circlejerk would imply it happens often.

    [–]rydaaavBraken 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    it happens almost every time he posts something so yeah my point stands

    [–]TonyTheCookieDirect 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    lol i don't hate him, he didn't do enough to me to get me to hate him

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      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

      Wow...

      I get your decision and i agree it was the right thing to do but i'm gonna miss milan :(

      I didn't see any harassment towards Jake but i wish i had so that i could've helped him in any way possible.

      I think you've done good though mod team, /r/Monstercat is one of the best places on reddit imo to talk about anything with a community that usually cares very much about each other despite differences we may have. I want to thank the community for being amazing but more importantly the mod team for handling situations like this and keeping this place orderly <3 :D

      [–]wJake1Au5 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      community that usually cares

      Thanks for putting in the word usually, as what happened today made me snap and caused this mess. They didn't care.

      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      mess

      ?

      I care about you and many other sub members :D

      [–]wJake1Au5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      :D Thanks man. My feels today in the time of 2 hours have gone from pissed off to very pleased. Now if only I could find a download link to Nitro Fun - Dragonfly... then my happiness level would be extreme :D

      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Found It! It's on the remix ep :D

      http://prealpharecords.bandcamp.com/album/nitro-fun-dragonfly-the-remixes-ep

      [–]wJake1Au5 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Thanks man! Im very happy that I am getting more songs, because on Tuesday I am getting an iPod nano and a speaker case :D

      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thats cool!

      and you're welcome :D

      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your welcome! I'll let you know if i find a download for it :)

      [–]TheVisionary11Feint 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You. I love you.

      Well... not love love, like a brotherly love. ;)

      [–]MRShockwaveMusicFeint 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The term you're looking for is platonic love I believe.

      [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Haha thanks

      I brotherly love ya too :D

      [–]ImTimmyTrumpetSCNDL 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      No, this was the wrong thing to do

      Practically all the hate on this sub is between two groups, me and /u/milanbourbeck are undeniably part of one. Both groups are regularly assholes to each other but for the most part we keep it quiet unless someone is explicitly crossing the line.

      As a moderator you have almost certainly seen all of what happens between these two groups on this subreddit. I'm not sure if you're aware of it so much but there's quite a lot of it going on in Twitter also. But one thing that makes this kind of behaviour somewhat acceptable is because practically every active member of this community will choose one of these sides. Everyone is guilty, we've all said nasty and unfair things to each other but you can't dish out punishments because banning 100 people from the subreddit would be completely out of order, especially when you consider how active these members are.

      So I've gathered that the reason you decided to pick Milan out from the pack is his activities on /r/TheFappening, your reason being you don't agree with what he did, and with him thinking it was a good thing. I refuse to say what I think about that subreddit but I'm sure as hell that if you could ban people for actions outside of this subreddit then I know dozens of people who shouldn't be here, possibly myself included. Trying to connect behaviour associated with softcore porn and discussion on an EDM discussion forum is completely baseless and unjustified. Taking matters into your own hands was wrong, especially considering how members of the same mod team disagree.

      Since it seems that you have not only decided to ban him on your behalf, but also ignore complaints I'm assuming this comment won't do much but I do hope it gets some sort of sense into you that there is a reason this subreddit has more than one moderator. I'd love you to reconsider your decision.

      EDIT: wording

      [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      jeez why is everyone all acting innocent about the fappening? I guarantee you over 80% of us saw all of it, and 90% of that loved the fuck out of it

      [–]MunstacatMedya 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      As someone who saw the people from this sub being active there I confirm this.

      [–]anaghsterMuzzy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      You know what? I think this whole post was absopositutely pointless. Just ban them and get it over with. The only thing I appreciate, however, is /u/3vans being completely open about banning /u/milanbourbeck, because now the users of this sub are aware of the moderating habits of the mods. I really want to leave my opinions out of this, as I feel that there is no point expressing an opinion on a completely pointless topic where I am not a stakeholder. kthxbai

      [–]MunstacatMedya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Well it was basically just 1 mod that made this decision by his complete own and later Mike approved. The rest if the mod team doesn't have to do anything with this.

      [–]TeeKayTank007 - Solace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      proof?

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        [–]3vansDay One[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The team ATM has agreed banning him publicly was wrong - and we are split as to whether banning him privately would have been the right course of action.

        I've tried to take in the complaints as much as possible but real change isn't going to happen instantly. I've detailed how I'm going to handle this moving forward throughout.

        Thanks, and sorry <3

        [–]TeeKayTank007 - Solace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        banning him was the right thing to do

        not regarding how you did it and the reasons for it

        [–]MeepXDRogue 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I'll make myself sound stupid but can somebody clarify what just happened here?

        EDIT:Now that I understand it.....

        I don't really know who to side with.I do see where they're going from....but it just feels stupid to see /u/3vans just perma-ban Milan for doing something unrelated to the sub......And at the same time I think that Milan should have not said that part instead.I don't know.....

        [–]gabriel_jasonLVTHER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        i need one too

        [–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Milan was a mod of fappening subreddit (you know the massive leak of celeb nudes), 3vans found out about it while investigating the harassment of wJake1. 3vans highly disagrees with the morals of being involved with the Fappening and how Milan caried himself talking about his involvement and permabanned him. Some agree with the decision, some don't, and now you have this shit storm happening.

        [–]MotchboxMuzzy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If you don't know what happened, it doesn't matter. If you do, remember what /r/Monstercat is. This sub is intended to be a welcoming place for fans of Monstercat from all backgrounds and walks of life. There is no need to take sides and turn on fellow fans whether or not you agree with them. We are all here for the same reason and it's important to keep that in mind. Nobody wants drama and nobody needs to fuel it. I've been a member of the sub for about 6 months now and it's a unique sub in that all of us share an interest in EDM and Monstercat and enjoy discussing it. I think I speak for almost everyone when I say I'm here for Monstercat/EDM news and not drama and arguments. You don't need to agree, just thought it needed to be said. Inb4 TeeKay saying "K".

        [–]MonstercatMedia 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (14子コメント)

        I have to agree with /u/3vans on this one. At the end of the day, it is our goal is to foster the development of a community of people that we are proud of. Yes, there may not be a rule listed on the sidebar that relates to "moral" or "ethical" behaviour but is that something that really needs to be added?

        Not everything in life can be justified by "did it for the lulz" and to those that do - you aren't the type of people we need in our community.

        This should be a given but...invasion of people's privacy/bullying is never "cool" no matter how you word it. It ruins lives...

        [–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You have to take into account how English isn't his first language.

        I think what he meant by the leaks being cool was what it created. I am heavily against the fappening, it was disgusting and just completely unlawful, but at the same time it also created something for him to do. I think what Milan was getting at was being a mod of a subreddit which has almost certainly been the biggest on the website was cool, as it puts you in a "fame" position, in which case I can totally see where he's coming from.

        [–]MunstacatMedya 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Exactly. Thank you.

        [–]MunstacatMedya -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Mhmm... That is something I can get behind. Have to agree.

        I don't wanna justify anything here tho. This was brought up from a deleted comment 4 weeks ago for whatever reason and I shared my thoughts.

        Your last sentence is tricky. Yes it totally can destroy people life's. Absolutely. I did not hack anything or something similar. As stated before I did moderation stuff such as 3vans or any other mod does. Just in a more controversial sub.
        Anyways these people still live on and have all they had before.

        And now please don't come and say "omg so because there was no damage done it's okay huh" that's not what I mean.

        [–]44DiamondsTristam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Posted this twice bro, I agree and back you up completely though <3 PM me if you wanna talk or something

        [–]MunstacatMedya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Yeah I'm cool thanks man! I'm gonna go to sleep. 3am almost.

        [–]44DiamondsTristam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Have a good night, and hopefully this will turn around and work out in your favor

        [–]MunstacatMedya 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        It already did! Was shocked in a positive way to see what happened in this thread.

        [–]SuperMario12347 Minutes Dead 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        <3

        [–]MunstacatMedya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        <3

        [–]TheOfficialJWOKPIXL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        <3

        [–]TeeKayTank007 - Solace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        <3

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          [–]wydferrNitro Fun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          wow

          [–]wFreemilan1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          oi m8 ill fok you up you little gob shite i give you a swallen gabba if you try ot ban me again you cheeky kunt u cant even lift a finger to punch me m8 1v1 me i bench press your nan nd 1 foot in dat door ill smash ye n shag your sis. i swear on me mom

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          god dammit why did someone make an account with my name

          [–]MunstacatMedya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Asked myself the same...

          [–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They were tryna make you a fall guy man smh.

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          fuckin kids

          [–]SKJEFOOOLVicetone 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          holy shit, over 11,000 members already

          [–]TheDogstarLPRootkit 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Guys seriously, I disagree with the ban too but please stop directing attacks towards /u/3vans. He was doing what he thought was right, that's it. He's a great moderator who has done so much for the subreddit. He's not all of a sudden a terrible dictator, people make mistakes.

          [–]Catfish3Stephen Walking 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Banning him was an extremely childish move, this subreddit is meant for the discussion of Monstercat, and everyone should be given an equal chance here, regardless of their past. I also see you've unstickied this post. ;)

          [–]ParaSpiderLaszlo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Monstercat did

          [–]gabriel_jasonLVTHER 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          youre the moderator of the subreddit not Milan's life

          [–]Azure_AbyssSoulero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's too damn high

          [–]TeeKayTank007 - Solace 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          just as i like it

          [–]DimLanternNitro Fun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Was this a decision only you made?

          [–]3vansDay One[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Yes.

          [–]NarstrichamaGrant Bowtie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Out of curiosity have you asked any of the other mods what they think of your desicion? I know Mike agrees with you but im wondering about the other moderaters such as troutz or numii

          [–]webola1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You forgot this one nerds

          [–]wJake1Au5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

          Thank you so much 3vans for doing this. If this happens again/I ever see this happen, I shall report it via modmail.

          [–]3kole5Laszlo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

          Wait, what exactly happened between you and YoDigDug?

          [–]wJake1Au5 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          My opinions on... certain things.. caused a whole bunch of uproar between me, Doug, and the troll accounts.

          [–]3kole5Laszlo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          Song name puns? Or other things you'd rather not talk about?

          [–]wJake1Au5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Option 2

          [–]3kole5Laszlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I see.

          [–]wJake1Au5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          If you go back far enough in my comment history you are bound to found what happened.

          [–]3kole5Laszlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          How far exactly?

          [–]wJake1Au5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I believe a few weeks to a month ago this happened. Maybe further, but I don't remember exactly when this started

          [–]3kole5Laszlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Alright.

          [–]mattrchambersSoulero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          found it, and what a petty thing to bully someone over tbh.

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Go to the accounts that were banned, they should give you understanding.

          [–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Was it before the Windows 8 and 8.1 debate?

          [–]wJake1Au5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Way before.

          [–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          contact me too! i'll help in anyway i can :)

          [–]KapowskiSaiAu5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          This is why I love you, you continually make sure this sub is a safe place for everybody, including me. Personally when I see harassment or anything like that I just laugh at how stupid they are acting and don't get involved unless it has something to do with me.

          But I'm proud of you for doing this, and we all love you for doing it. God bless you.

          [–]Prizyms 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Gloria in excelsis Huwo

          [–]SomeFeelyShizzGrant Bowtie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I feel like this decision if for the best. As a victim outside of the internet of bullying, i feel it shouldn't be tolerated.

          Also, the "fappening" was just a total mess. I would just try to forget it.

          [–]RivalRaccoonSKIFONIX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You did what needs to be done. You clean up the trash in this subreddit and your damn good at it, I want this community to be as enjoying as it can be so keep up the great moderating.

          [–]mezzaaricRameses B 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          hooray!

          EDIT: butthurt down voting begins

          [–]RealNonimousFalcon Funk -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (14子コメント)

          Thank you, Huw. You made the right decision.

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          For banning a user who did nothing wrong?

          [–]TonyTheCookieDirect -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          For banning a user who did nothing wrong?

          I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're referring to the comment itself and not his past actions

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          His involvement in the fappening may have been morally wrong but it is completely unrelated to the sub and him as a person. It should not have been a reason to ban him.

          [–]TonyTheCookieDirect 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I agree, what he does on other subs is his own business, but, imo, his general dick-ness to some the users of this sub would be classified as "doing something wrong"

          [–]Tyco_Hot Date! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          He has actually calmed down in the last while

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            [–]SkaepeWRLD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Thank you. I've always seen him as and annoying an immature person.

            edit: forgot a letter

            [–]Eldritch12Tut Tut Child -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            For the greater good.

            [–]Eldritch12Tut Tut Child 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            twas a movie reference

            [–]ImTimmyTrumpetSCNDL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            'twas a bad one

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