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Harassment + Privacy (self.Monstercat)

3vansDay One[M] が 投稿 - stickied post

Today I've had to make two huge decisions on behalf of the mod team and I need to discuss them with you all.

The first of these relates to this post, which reads as such:

Hey man I was mod [at the fappening]. I didn't leaked the stuff. All I did was keeping the place clean, helping with Modmails, DMCA takedowns and dealing with the Reddit admins. Not more and not less. On another note tho: If anyone uploads something into a forgein/ ppuplic server (what the icloud is) then you have to expect with hacks or the fact that the servers simply die out and you pose all your data. This is even in the License agreement. If a celebrity uploads all his pictures including nudes which are sensible information and could ruin their career then its kinda there own fault for not being careful enough. These things happen, have ever happend and won't stop happening. But this time it was the biggest leak in the history of the internet. And I was one of the insiders that managed everything. Do i think that's cool? Fuck yes! But that's just my personal opinion. And before you turn my word around just to make this clear: I dont think invading someone's privacy is cool. But all the leaks were. If they are invading of privacy or not I don't care. I'm just proud to be a part of it. Good lord we had 20Million hits in a day...

Obviously, if you read my deliberations below this post, you'll understand that the decision is difficult, and is treading a fine line between dealing with issues regarding the subreddit and users of this subreddit. As such, I've made the decision to permanently ban /u/milanbourbeck, as I personally cannot condone his actions in moderating /r/TheFappening, but more importantly defending, and glorifying it. I hope everyone reading this is able to do the same, and understand that what he did is completely unacceptable anywhere, internet or outside.

The second of these is about harassment. It concerns a number of accounts causing the systematic bullying of /u/wJake1 over the past month, all of whom I believe to be ringled by /u/YoDigDoug. As per Jake's request, I have banned /u/wJunek1, /u/hellohiman123, /u/wDoug1, /u/wMilan1 (unconnected to /u/milanbourbeck), /u/wILLUMINATI1, /u/wTyco1, /u/wzes1, and /u/YoDigDoug. We do not tolerate or condone any form of harassment on the subreddit, and I ask that anyone experiencing or seeing harassment on the subreddit should directly message the moderators as soon as it occurs.

As we expand beyond 11,000 members we are going to experience more and more instances like this. I hope that in future the subreddit becomes a much nicer place to visit because of decisions like these. Thank you to everyone who has continually supported us with these issues, and also thanks to those who have been critical so that we can make the best decisions.

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[–]SwecPIXL [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Personally, I don't think you shouldv'e banned milan. That's dealing with a sub that has nothing to do with this one. He is still a member of our community, and the fappenning happened months ago. It's not really of "importance" anymore. It's not like people are going to remember him for moderating that shit (except they will now cuz you brought it up)

EDIT: I don't support the fappening or anything, I just feel like banning milan wasn't how things should've gone down.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

This is a part of the dilemma I faced. In the past, certainly, we haven't banned people for things they have done outside the subreddit - but I recognise now that any community is not just what happens within its walls, but the sum total of its members. If someone does something outside of this subreddit, it affects their behaviour within this subreddit.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

how did something that happened like 3 months ago (also totally unrelated to the community) to one user of the sub have any considerable effect on the community as a whole

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

His actions in all of that stem to the person he is beneath it. This kind of person is not someone I can get behind and accept as a member of a subreddit where I have the power to remove them.

[–]SwecPIXL [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

it only now has effect on people because you brought it up. If nothing of it surfaced, no one would have been up in arms on the subject, and Milan wouldn't have to be banned

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Okay, I can sort of understand the second situation. But banning Milan? The part that irks me is that you waited 4 Weeks to do ANYTHING. That's just ridiculous. I'm not condoning what happened during The Fappening nor am I saying what he did was right, but taking action 4 Weeks afterwards...I would either regard that as lazy or you're doing it to bring an excuse to the table that you don't like the user. I would sincerely love a reply from you regarding this, because that's completely ridiculous.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

I found the comment whilst investigating posts for the second ban chain. The reason why I waited 4 weeks is because, as I said in my comment reply, it was removed by AutoModerator. By the time I got to it it was as good as unposted.

Again, I deliberate on this decision in my comment reply.

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Okay, so why make any action at all? It was removed...4 weeks ago. Nobody cared about. No one knew about it until you brought this up.

investigating posts for the second ban chain.

Okay, I've not modded a sub officially, so I'll assume you were scouring posts for people to ban? Is that correct? Meaning you deliberately were looking for evidence to ban someone, be it recent or old. I want some clarification on what that means before I continue any further with how...proposterous and twisted that sounds.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm talking about the harassment of /u/wJake1. I was not looking for people to ban, I simply came across the comment whilst scrolling through that post. The comment that drew my attention was this one - not harassment of Jake, but on a post which I wanted to check if it had been removed.

[–]mattrchambersSoulero [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

well, thats what you do looking for evidence to justify a ban. look for evidence, whether it be new or old.

[–]mattrchambersSoulero 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He probably never noticed the comment until it was (I assume) linked to him by someone.

[–]rydaaavBraken [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

that's what's kind of strange, how someone happened to stumble upon a month old comment that happened to be incriminating to milan

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, a comment that was completely forgotten until he brought it back up. Literally no one ever mentioned it since then. This plan of action just boggles my mind on such an old comment.

[–]ivGfgtsGrant Bowtie 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What? Milan's moderation history should have no bearing on this sub. He didn't do anything really wrong, just moderated a sub that distributed images that were literally on every corner of the internet already. Do I get banned because I have some of the pictures saved?

[–]TheOfficialJWOKPIXL [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I don't think banning Milan was the right decision, more so that it was a permaban. Not going to sugarcoat anything, this was quite the dumb move. For something that happened right about month ago is also contributing to the fact that it was unnecessary. He wasn't breaking any rules from what I understand, and The fappening isn't related to Monstercat in any way, shape, or form, even including the comment. He is an active member of the community that I know a lot of people will miss.

I do not hate 3vans, but this was quite unnecessary. If it were up to me, I would unban him.

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

Wow...

I get your decision and i agree it was the right thing to do but i'm gonna miss milan :(

I didn't see any harassment towards Jake but i wish i had so that i could've helped him in any way possible.

I think you've done good though mod team, /r/Monstercat is one of the best places on reddit imo to talk about anything with a community that usually cares very much about each other despite differences we may have. I want to thank the community for being amazing but more importantly the mod team for handling situations like this and keeping this place orderly <3 :D

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

community that usually cares

Thanks for putting in the word usually, as what happened today made me snap and caused this mess. They didn't care.

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

mess

?

I care about you and many other sub members :D

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

:D Thanks man. My feels today in the time of 2 hours have gone from pissed off to very pleased. Now if only I could find a download link to Nitro Fun - Dragonfly... then my happiness level would be extreme :D

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Your welcome! I'll let you know if i find a download for it :)

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Found It! It's on the remix ep :D

http://prealpharecords.bandcamp.com/album/nitro-fun-dragonfly-the-remixes-ep

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Thanks man! Im very happy that I am getting more songs, because on Tuesday I am getting an iPod nano and a speaker case :D

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Thats cool!

and you're welcome :D

[–]TheVisionary11Feint [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

You. I love you.

Well... not love love, like a brotherly love. ;)

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Haha thanks

I brotherly love ya too :D

[–]MunstacatMedya [非表示スコア]  (31子コメント)

/u/milanbourbeck here. I wanna say a few words about this.

This comment is taken out of context and was 4 weeks ago. I have totally forgotten a out it as well. Why I get banned right now is beyond my understanding.

I did not violate any rule or have been rude in any way. I even stated my personal opinion whatsoever and I think invading someone's privacy is not cool. What most don't know is that mine has actually been invaded because of that as well but I don't wanna go deeper into that. It was a thing of 3 days and its over since 2-3 months.

The fact that this gets written into a sticky and linked with my name is just disgusting and shows poor moderation in my opinion. I don't say I hate 3vans or think he is an asshole. I just say this was a wrong move as a moderator. And I don't mean the ban.

What belongs my ban I could honestly not care less. It sucks yeah sure and I would like to be unbanned again but I have started away from this place because it gets worse and worse each week. The community grows and the quality drops. Usual case. Have seen this happening with a few sub's already. I will probably be using different accounts to share some thoughts which I will not give away but as I said I rarely posted/ commented anymore.

I myself found the community I like and love and it filtered the best out of Monstercat for me. I am happy so far with the people I met.

Now it would be nice to leave this account unbanned for a few hours to give me the chance to reply to a few comments because switching account is annoying on my phone. I'm on vacation right now... Have a good night! Bye!

Edit: Also not to forget how completely unrelated another sub that was closed, deleted and nuked 2-3 month ago is with this EDM subreddit. What I would understand tho is that you looked for a reason to get rid of me. In that case I could show you better comments or posts that actually violate a rule tho.

[–]LegstronkStonebank [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

you didnt just get banned for that lone comment. you got banned for your dickish ways as well

[–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Yeah I see his involvement with the fappening as the straw that broke the camels back. Not the sole reason for the ban.

Edit: Okay so his involvement with the fappening was the sole reason. Not gonna lose any sleep over this either way.

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Not just that imo, I'd say it's his past actions on the sub

[–]rydaaavBraken [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

something something milan hate circlejerk

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

lol i don't hate him, he didn't do enough to me to get me to hate him

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Okay, as I explained earlier, your getting banned right now over anything is to do with the fact that the post was originally removed by AutoModerator. Before I saw it, it is safe to say that not a single human had seen that post. I chose to ban you because of it for reasons I've mentioned in that comment reply.

Again, what you have done in the past, and what you said is beyond any kind of reason or explanation. Clearly your objection to the ban is proof that you can't understand what's wrong about what you did to proliferate the invasion of privacy of celebrities. What little conscience you have cannot grasp that people you will never know or empathise with are suffering and have suffered in part because of your role in that subreddit.

Making this post, on the other hand, is important because this entire community needs to understand that what you (and /u/YoDigDoug) have done is completely unacceptable. Not calling you out or linking the post could have only led to confusion and resentment regarding your ban.

There's not much else I can really say. Sorry if you don't understand, I hope in the future you'll realise.

[–]MunstacatMedya [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Okay so let me get this straight. You ban me for something I did 3 months ago that is in no way connected to this sub and did not hurt anybody IN THIS COMMUNITY just because you think what I did is wrong and you saw it by accident? Wow.

Listen. What I do in my free time is my thing. When I go ahead and play video games then that is my thing. When I moderate a subreddit that has to do with a subject you dont like or approve then that's my thing. Your job as a moderator here is to watch out that the community goes well and no one violates the rules. I think personal preferences should be left out of that.

It is like banning someone because they listen to music you don't like. Just with another subject. I did not invade anyone's privacy in the first place tho. What I did was backing up links as I stated before. Not that this matters or something.

It looks like I am not allowed to speak free about stuff like that as it looks like tho. GG!

I wish you fun with the shitstorm that is coming. What you did was pretty bad moderating. :)

[–]rydaaavBraken [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

minus some of the passive aggressiveness i more or less agree with this

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

or have been rude in any way

lol

[–]MunstacatMedya [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

I meant in that exact comment he banned me for. I know I have been rude before and I already got my timeout for that. So have others. I don't mind that and completely agree. But this is hilarious imho.

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

dude it wasn't the comment that got you banned, it was your past actions. the comment was like the last straw for 3vans

[–]rydaaavBraken [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I know he's already responded but why are you talking for 3vans? let him respond on his own

[–]MunstacatMedya [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Okay I understand. The thing is that it relates with nothing. Its simply an answer to a comment unrelated to anything and not (as said by him) "glorifying" anything. I simply told my mind. And if I'm not allowed to do that then I don't even wanna stay here.

Besides that he could have also simply gave me a timeout for a few days/week such as he did with you or other certain users I won't be naming but they know who I mean. No problem with that.

Then second off all if you wanna permaban me then go ahead and do so. But don't make a motherf*ing sticky thread about it copying a comment completely out of context in there and claim it as the reason although it totally is not. Just do it silently. This post has created a bigger shitstorm than anything else could have. There was no problem for the last weeks. GG!

Then again he says "On behalf of the mod team". I have rarely seen any of the other mods speaking as active about things like bans and removing posts as he does. I could just not see it but whatever. He seems to be the boss here.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

I'd like to clarify that this isn't the case. In no way did I ban the account for a total of past actions, or any grudges, or any pressure from people I'm friends with. I banned the account solely because I can't accept what they have done.

[–]thinkerthought [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

What are you, the moral police? You can't ban someone just because they moderated a subreddit you personally disagree with.

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Considering /r/TheFappening is pretty much universally morally disagreeable, yes. I could not stand by having /u/milanbourbeck on the subreddit any longer.

[–]SuperMario12347 Minutes Dead [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

So you banned him because you personally don't agree with him on the /r/TheFappening thing? You're mixing your private opinion with your position as a mod. Sorry, but you shouldn't ban someone because YOU can't accept what they have done with /r/TheFappening!

[–]3vansDay One[S,M] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm not confident any reasonable person could say 'I agree with the systematic invasion of privacy of people for my own sexual pleasure', and truly agree with it.

[–]mattrchambersSoulero [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

So you banned him because you personally don't agree with him on the /r/TheFappening thing?

Not agreeing with a huge invasion of a person's privacy, which is both morally, and in this case, legally wrong? Wow, what a shocker. Never thought that would pop up anywhere.

You're mixing your private opinion with your position as a mod.

Rules of the sub? Based on personal opinions. Who mods the sub? Based on personal opinions. Subscribing to sub? Based on personal opinions. You can not do anything without personal opinions.

Sorry, but you shouldn't ban someone because YOU can't accept what they have done with /r/TheFappening!

Yes he can. He's the mod. And I would ban someone based on being a mod on /r/TheFappening. That stuff was just morally wrong to be honest.

[–]RealNonimousFalcon Funk [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

No, you really shouldn't post with other accounts, that's against reddit rules, and really just being a dick in general. You got banned for a reason, and you need to respect that. Stay banned.

[–]Stratys019 - Endeavour [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

being a Dick in general

Alright, I'm gonna lay this out here since we're coming to terms with a lot of things in this thread and I'll lay it out plainly: Nominous, you are sincerely, and truly, a Dick. Milan deserves his right to speak his side of the story. You could be considered among the few a bully. I probably do too, I like to speak my mind about matters regarding drama on the sub, but I try to stay as neutral as possible. With you, you seem to go against anything and everything towards Milan and anyone who affiliates with him. I'd suggest that you stop, but you probably won't listen to a word I say. Therefore, have a good day.

[–]RealNonimousFalcon Funk [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I go against stupid things that Milan says.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

you're the biggest narc ive ever seen

[–]MunstacatMedya [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

First off I wanted to explain my side and tell my point if view. I think that is appropriate at this point. Most if you see me as a dick anyways from what I saw In the comments so I don't really care 8).

If you don't want me to comment so stop me. But I'm sure you won't even notice. I'm not gonna make a huge comeback here. But if someone has a question that I can answer or maybe is looking for something and no one knows then imma contribute to the thread. If you wanna interact with me then try it on plug.dj, Skype or other subs. I said good bye to this one.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

god dammit why did someone make an account with my name

[–]RaiderFist187Stephen Walking [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

They were tryna make you a fall guy man smh.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

fuckin kids

[–]wydferrNitro Fun [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

wow

[–]SuperMario12347 Minutes Dead [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Okay I agree totally that you banned the people bullying /u/wJake1. That was just the right decision.

But I totally disagree with the ban of /u/milanbourbeck.. What does his actions in moderating /r/TheFappening and his opinion on it to do with this sub? Exactly! Nothing! So why the ban? Just because /u/3vans doesn't have the same opinion on that topic? Sorry but that's not a valid explanation imo. You can't just go around and ban people because you disagree with them. He didn't break any rule with that on this sub.

[–]SomeFeelyShizzGrant Bowtie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like this decision if for the best. As a victim outside of the internet of bullying, i feel it shouldn't be tolerated.

Also, the "fappening" was just a total mess. I would just try to forget it.

[–]KapowskiSaiAu5 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

This is why I love you, you continually make sure this sub is a safe place for everybody, including me. Personally when I see harassment or anything like that I just laugh at how stupid they are acting and don't get involved unless it has something to do with me.

But I'm proud of you for doing this, and we all love you for doing it. God bless you.

[–]SkaepeWRLD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. I've always seen him as and annoying an immature person.

edit: forgot a letter

[–]MonstercatMedia [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I support the decisions above.

[–]wJake1Au5 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Thank you so much 3vans for doing this. If this happens again/I ever see this happen, I shall report it via modmail.

[–]3kole5Laszlo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Wait, what exactly happened between you and YoDigDug?

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (13子コメント)

My opinions on... certain things.. caused a whole bunch of uproar between me, Doug, and the troll accounts.

[–]3kole5Laszlo [非表示スコア]  (12子コメント)

Song name puns? Or other things you'd rather not talk about?

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (11子コメント)

Option 2

[–]3kole5Laszlo [非表示スコア]  (10子コメント)

I see.

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (9子コメント)

If you go back far enough in my comment history you are bound to found what happened.

[–]3kole5Laszlo [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

How far exactly?

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

I believe a few weeks to a month ago this happened. Maybe further, but I don't remember exactly when this started

[–]3kole5Laszlo [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Alright.

[–]mattrchambersSoulero [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

found it, and what a petty thing to bully someone over tbh.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Go to the accounts that were banned, they should give you understanding.

[–]TheCarWashChannelTelevisor [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Was it before the Windows 8 and 8.1 debate?

[–]wJake1Au5 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Way before.

[–]ZephyruSOfficialNanobii [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

contact me too! i'll help in anyway i can :)

[–]Eldritch12Tut Tut Child [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

For the greater good.

[–]SKJEFOOOLVicetone [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

holy shit, over 11,000 members already

[–]RealNonimousFalcon Funk -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thank you, Huw. You made the right decision.

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

For banning a user who did nothing wrong?

[–]mattrchambersSoulero [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

...for banning a user who openly stated he thought The Fappening was a cool thing to be a part of, while bringing it to a very unrelated sub.

not to mention the fact that if you check his alt. account's history (conveniently at the top of this post), he has been shadow banned before and admitted to mass downvoting a sub user because he's been dickish before.

overall, he's really immature and i personally fully get why he was banned from the sub.

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

For banning a user who did nothing wrong?

I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're referring to the comment itself and not his past actions

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

His involvement in the fappening may have been morally wrong but it is completely unrelated to the sub and him as a person. It should not have been a reason to ban him.

[–]TonyTheCookieDirect [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I agree, what he does on other subs is his own business, but, imo, his general dick-ness to some the users of this sub would be classified as "doing something wrong"

[–]Tyco_Hot Date! [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He has actually calmed down in the last while