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Krauthammer: Executive Amnesty ‘An Impeachable Offense’ (breitbart.com)

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[–]ZipItBuddyParolee 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Conservatives need to stop mentioning impeachment. It won't happen. Letting Obama play the victim is EXACTLY what he is going for. A terrible political move to even bring it up.

[–]SouthernCharm1856Tea Party 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trey gowdy was just on with O'reilly saying exactly this.

[–]tunnelworm2001Conservative 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Our Republican representatives should get in front of the media as often as possible, and talk about the reasons why Obama should not even be thinking about an executive order, but stop the talk of impeachment. This is exactly what he wants and it will only make Republicans look petty. Republicans are in a good position going into 2016, let's not screw it up.

[–]gangrenous_ghoulpaleocon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The media will go to bat for Obama.

Obama is making the republicans fight the way he wants them to. Obama beings up a divisive topic on purpose. The republicans fight it, the the media and Obama skewer conservatives.

Its happened time and time again.

[–]jltho 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is the best course of action. Bury him in the media. Impeachment hearings might reflect just as negatively on the GOP.

I also liked the idea of rejecting every single judicial nominee until it is rescinded.

[–]jmiller2032 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Impeachment is literally the worst thing the GOP could do for 2016. And even if we could actually do it, we shouldn't because the animus caused by a predominantly white Congress impeaching the first black president would last for generations REGARDLESS THE FACTS.

[–]baldyloxRight Social Libertarian 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If last week's midterms are any indication, Obama is the best thing that could have happened to the Republican Party. I'm with you. Just let him keep presidenting. He really, really sucks at it.

When your opponent is digging himself into a hole, the last thing you want is to take away his shovel.

[–]ChiliManiac -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The liberal base will love him though, esp if he paints himself as fighting the good fight and being a lone warrior.

[–]BitcoinFinanceNeoconservative[🍰] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can impeach him, but he'll get acquitted. It takes 67 votes in the Senate. We only have 54.

[–]Conservatrarian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

At most.

[–]BitcoinFinanceNeoconservative[🍰] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's right.

[–]legalizehazing 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I've been thinking the same for a long time. It's a massive abuse of power. Impeach him if he does it.

[–]bouncebouncepogo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to be mad about this stuff. Now it is just sad. The American people let freedoms go that will never come back and nobody looks up from their iPhones. People died for these assurances that are just slipping away.

[–]nox_42 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (16子コメント)

And then what?

[–]liatris 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Then it's Biden Time! Er, um, well, nevermind... Joe Biden is the best insurance policy against impeachment I've seen in a while.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a reason Biden was the VP on the ticket, the man could never handle being in the public eye 24/7, most people don't even know the man exists.

[–]Bigow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

why do people keep saying that?

I'd rather have biden, the doofus, the goof, the idiot, the used car dealer, the ambulance chaser, than obama any day. Even if he was , gasp, incumbent and running again. I'd willingly take that deal. He's just a douche, but not a malignant narcissus intent on harming the US.

[–]liatris 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Obama is incredibly unpopular and that unpopularity stains his party and any nominee they offer in 2016. There is no political gain in impeachment. It's better to let him stay in office, keep the pressure on and wait for him to self-destruct. Obama dislikes being as unpopular as he is, that's why he has been pushing this amnesty stuff, he is getting booed at rallies and speeches by the immigrant lobbies and he hates it. The thing is, amnesty is very unpopular with the public, so he's putting himself in a position to be even more unpopular which will cause him even more stress which will lead to even more rash, emotional lashing out that makes the right look good in comparison.

Again, there is nothing to be gained by impeaching him. He is the best illustration of why we need a Republican adult in charge. If the GOP will keep sending him bipartisan bills that are popular with the public then he will become more and more erratic as he vetoes them and public opinion shifts against him more. He had Reid there to protect him from being known as the Veto King, he doesn't have that any more. His staff and appointees are jumping off his sinking ship like rats swimming over to Hillary. He is going to become increasingly despondent as attention fades from him.

[–]Seamus_OReilly 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No political gain to impeachment, maybe.

What about the constitutional, checks and balances, rule of law, and budgetary gains?

[–]liatris 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no way there are enough votes to impeach him so what is the point? Republicans need to act like adults. If he passes amnesty Republicans can point to that as a sign he has no interest in working together. Refuse to approve any candidate for AG unless the person repudiates the legality of executive amnesty. Block the funding on the amnesty, it's going to cost a lot of money to put it in place. Go on tv constantly telling people how Obama cares more about using their tax dollars to import voters to compete with them for jobs than to help the economy and US workers. Executive amnesty is pretty unpopular, Republicans can run on a platform of nullifying the executive amnesty order. What is Hillary going to do, alienate her base by saying she will do that too?

Republicans need to keep passing popular, bipartisan bills that include things the President doesn't like, let him veto them. Keystone is a great start because he doesn't want to piss off the environmentalist because they are such huge financial supporters. Refuse to pass any kind of omnibus budget so there are close grips on the purse strings. Put the pressure on the IRS for those emails.

[–]Seamus_OReilly 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you're right about the votes not being there.

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree Obama is worthy of impeachment for more than one action. There is not enough political will to see it done and it would do more harm than good. Also Biden. That last part should scare you.

[–]Bigow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i like the way you think. very persuasive.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If we can't impeach him for executive action such as amnesty, and a whole host of other issues the people have expressed a dislike for, he is pretty much free to do whatever he wants and at this point, he is free to damage the US as he sees fit more so now than ever.

I don't think the man cares about his image anymore, because he's already soiled it. There is nothing he can do to regain the admiration he had in 2008. Or at least that's what it appears, he may think the damage he has in mind will set us on the right course, and will craft a US that suits his fantasy, one step closer to a socialist paradise.

If he legalized marijuana and gay marriage though executive order, people would still take issue with him, even those who are for those two issues.

"staining the party" doesn't matter much to him, it's more of an issue for people who still have a political career ahead of them; Hence why no one wanted him included in their campaign for the midterms.

[–]liatris 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How is he going to pay for any of his executive orders when Republicans put language into every funding bill that prohibits using the money to fund his policies? The right will have plenty of tools at their disposal to block him.

Of course he cares about how he's seen, that's probably all he cares about other than his family. He hates governing so the key is to just wear him down by making him govern. Figure out ways to pit two of his interests against each other. Maybe pass environmental emission standards that penalize Hollywood. Emission impossible: Why Hollywood is one of the worst polluters People have pointed out that people who move to the US from under-developed countries tend to dramatically increase their carbon footprint as they switch to an American lifestyle. Maybe fund studies that examine how illegal immigrants who move to America cause global warming lol. "Illegal Immigration Increases CO2"

"staining the party" doesn't matter much to him, it's more of an issue for people who still have a political career ahead of them; Hence why no one wanted him included in their campaign for the midterms.

Do you seriously believe he doesn't care if a Democrat wins the next election or not?

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course he cares about how he's seen, that's probably all he cares about other than his family. He hates governing so the key is to just wear him down by making him govern. Figure out ways to pit two of his interests against each other. Maybe pass environmental emission standards that penalize Hollywood. Emission impossible: Why Hollywood is one of the worst polluters[1]

What I was trying to say was he no longer cares about appeasing the majority who opposes the bullshit he wants to ram through, and since he believes it's the right way to do things regardless of our saying it isn't, he may attempt them anyways.

His reputation has already been made, he can't change that, so he has several reasons to not hold back any longer.

Do you seriously believe he doesn't care if a Democrat wins the next election or not?

From what I've heard about the man, excerpts from some of the books that have his name listed as "author", No, I don't think the man has any consideration for the other members of his party. He's a narcissist, the party was merely a stepping stone to get him elected to his title of king president.

He pouted that no one wanted him to appear at their speaking events for the midterms, because the man doesn't care about what sort of message that would have sent to the people.

[–]liatris 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I can't deny the narcissist part. I just think the right will seem more appealing to the independents and moderates if they take on an abuse spouse kind of role. Turn him into a domineering figure who is pushing around the country. Impeaching him will make him seem like a victim and allow him to gain sympathy. He is almost daring the right to try it.

[–]pipechapLibertarian Conservative 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have this strange feeling that he believes he can redeem himself by putting in place socialist policies that would "show us the light" so to speak, and wipe away what were previously conceived of as sins from his reputation once we see the greatness that government control can bring.

I don't know how he would accomplish this but he's been known to selectively enforce, obey, and change law at his discretion.

[–]homrqt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least Biden respects the right to personal defense with a gun.

[–]figecLibertarian Conservative -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...said Dan Quayle.

[–]lemonparty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too bad the limp-dick Republican leadership gave Obama an open invitation to do whatever he likes by saying "impeachment is off the table"

[–]Seamus_OReilly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they ruled out government shut downs. I mean, that worked out so badly for the party last time, that we won the Senate and 31 governorships!

[–]passiveegalatarian -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The government itself is an abuse of power. Any organization that exists solely by extorting wealth people generate through private transactions is unimagineably corrupt. It is the one cartel that statists have no trouble supporting for some reason.

[–]eluf-antConstitutionalist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pay close attention to what they are saying at 5:47. Everyone needs to pose these questions to their Democrat friends. Tell them they created this mess and will require Democrats to fix it.

[–]veritas8911Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I literally read this comment, looked at my clock, a d it was 5:47. I'm a bit freaked out right now.

[–]narcedmonkey[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and they will cry and bitch if Republicans do the same thing they do

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/10/21/robert_reich_warns_republican_senate_would_change_rules_to_get_agenda_passed.html

[–]GalbartGlover 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every argument against impeachment is 2016 based, cynical and not what the American people deserve. Obama legalizing 4.5 million people through executive power is a breach of power and worthy of impeachment. The American people do not want amnesty, fighting Obama, should if push amnesty through executive power is not a losing political issue for the GOP, it is a winning issue.

We aren't talking about getting head in the oval office and lying about it, we are talking about a president ruling through fiat, the American people would not side with Obama over that.

[–]figecLibertarian Conservative 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah....no. Let's see what the executive order is first before we start throwing around the idea of impeachment.

I'm hearing the actual action could end up being nothing but insubstantial showmanship (sort of like a metaphor for his presidency).

[–]co_radioConstitutionalist Conservative 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Article 1 section 8 specifcally grants congress authority over immigration and naturalization. The president has no executive authority over the matter. Attempting to circumvent the constitution he swore to uphold is an impeachable offense.

[–]figecLibertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry, but that's not how it works.

Congress makes the laws as the executive enforces the law. Congress delegates power in this manner. So long as no regulation is an unconstitutional delegation, the executive may take action (ie. regulations) with the force of law. The test for what is an unconstitutional delegation makes it very difficult for a delegation of authority to be unconstitutional. This test was established by the Supreme Court almost 100 years ago. It is also unlikely to ever change as doing so could unravel Judicial branch authority to create case law and the Supreme Court would, understandably, not rule to strip its own power.

Congress has given executive branch some authority with regards to immigration in order to ease enforcement, and the executive branch has published thousands hundreds of immigration regulations with the force of law. So to say the executive has no authority over the matter is a gross misunderstanding of how government works.

That is not to say it is impossible for the President to take an unconstitutional action with regards to immigration. But it is to say he has discretion on many areas of immigration that are constitutional and unimpeachable.

EDIT: changed "thousands" to "hundreds", and added a link for immigration regulations

[–]ultimisConstitutionalist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The power has to be delegated. You can't just assume it was delegated. That means within the law passed by congress and signed by a president you have a clause that specifies "X authority can determine Y and Z under these circumstances." But even that law cannot contradict the U.S. Constitution such as passing a law that states "The president can create his own laws without congress" as that is clearly a power of congress and would require a Constitutional Amendment to achieve.

Obama has already breached this Constitutional authority in his previous executive orders on immigration. Current immigration law does not allow Executive Branch to dictate that the law not be enforced. Yet he specified certain immigrants that were no longer being deported and were being released by ICE.

In short, the executive cannot assume powers that were not specified, it is only given powers if it was specified by congress. Else it is the executives job to uphold the law to the best of its ability. As that is the constitutional requirement of the executive.

[–]co_radioConstitutionalist Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry, you are incorrect.

[–]figecLibertarian Conservative 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok, then point out to me which US Code directs an immigrant to use their new Anglicized name (the name they are legally allowed to take by court order when becoming a citizen) when taking their citizen's oath.

That's a trick. You can't point it out to me because it doesn't exist as a statute. It is a regulation that was constitutionally issued by the executive.

If, tomorrow, the President enters into the Federal Register a directive for immigrants to use the name with which they entered the country on their oath, it would be constitutional and unimpeachable.

[–]co_radioConstitutionalist Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The executive cannot grab powers from another to branch which are enumerated by the constitution. You're just making yourself look stupid.

[–]_glenn_ -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THIS!

We freaked out about other executive orders before related to the dreamers i believe.. It wasn't really anything to get upset about.

[–]_glenn_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To what end? The guy is a lame duck, and has no power for the next two years. Best to just attack him in the media and with legislation. Impeaching him so he is out of office 6 months early is just a waste of time.

[–]MadDogReynolds 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lame duck, and has no power for the next two years

I think he has power. just yesterday was a report of Boehner "begging" Obama not to go foward with amnesty...BEGGING

notice Obama's timing, post election, but before the new Congress is seated

he makes his move and Dirty Harry Reid sits on it, no impeachment

...which takes us deep into January and his plan well under way

[–]jas07 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only a waste of time but it would make the Republicans look really bad. They will have zero chance of getting a two thirds vote in the senate. Also they will have impeached the last two Democrat presidents and it would just look like boy crying wolf next time.

[–]Potsandpansfrans 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I would love seen Obama impeached, as I would any president blatantly ignoring law and his responsibility to uphold the Constitution I don't think that's the move in the long run. If we want to see a Republican president next election they can't look childish to the semi uninformed voter. And as we all know politicians first priority is reflection, regardless of party

[–]actofgod22 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd prefer the GOP finds a way to stop Obama through the courts, the bad press will be suffocating if they impeach

[–]writeonbrother -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny how the Democrats always say you can't deport millions of illegals. But yet you can grant millions of illegals amnesty, issue them ID's, give them benefits, etc. That seems to be pretty easy to do. Driving them to the border is impossible.

[–]-dudeomfgstfux- -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you want to Impeach him? Do you a President Joe Biden.

[–]narcedmonkey[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd love for Biden to be President instead of O'Liar. He would spend the next 2 years accomplishing nothing there thereby not fucking the country up any worse.

[–]displaced_tarheel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rather see Biden in there than Obama.

[–]Sumner67 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

just defund everything.

Oh that's right, McConnell and Boner are moderate pussies and in bed with the establishment. nevermind.