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WARNING TO POKER COMMUNITY SCAMMER ALERT TRUESHAK (self.poker)

Harleyy30040 が 投稿

PAID 11/10/14

update on shak 11/9 he offered to pay me Paypal tonight i declined for obvious reasons it can be reversed. Now he says he is sending WU to me tomorrow in full and i will update if that actually happens.

update on shak 11/10 he sent me a pic of a stack of money, a WU form filled out, and a receipt saying he sent 6k to me. then he said WU blocked and reversed the transfer because they suspected fraud. Yesterday i had someone that lives near him and plays live with him and is respected on 2plus2 contact me willing to meet him for the cash. Shak said he will do that now "if he gets this refund from WU" so i will be back with another update later

update on shak 11/10 the 2+2 poster that knew him personally that I agreed to meet shak for the money has just left shak and has received my amount in full and $500 of juniors $1400 owed. they video called me on Skype and I saw shak handing him the money (had to make sure lol) this fully puts shak off the hook on owing me and he is in the clear on my end of things. I have taken his personal info out of this now however on 2plus2 that is not in my power and a mod has to do the editing. for the rest of the people owed gl to you and thank you very much to the people that wished me luck getting paid back.

On 9/07/14 we exchanged skypes through 2plus2 where he then said he needed 3k on stars and would send a wire but that it takes a few days. he then said he had many vouches that are well known and could vouch for him. he then had 2plus2 mod Orange pm me and give me a reference although he did not vouch for him. Orange stated that all previous business was good between him and shak and that he believed he was trustworthy but sometimes takes a bit of time on the trades but he meant a few days to a week not over 2 months. So stupidly i figured it was okay. (me and orange have a deal where we split whatever shak pays us until he is paid off I get rest.)

To make a long story short the bank wire didn't happen and he changed it to paying me through paypal. I then received a 3k echeck through paypal on 9/24, so i thought all was good. 9/29 he came to me again and got another 3k out of me. the original 3k echeck then later failed. so our total was 6k. he kind of just dragged it along day by day with excuses and excuses saying he couldn't send stars because his account was locked or he had hit his limits and paypal because some kind of limits and then said he would send and international bank wire to my BOA. I told him i was going to post if i didn't receive something and he sent 500 to my stars to try to assure me the rest was coming bringing our total to 5300 (plus vig he promised). Weeks then went by and he said his bank canceled the wire because he sent out to many wires at once. Before when we've talked he mentioned he had a lot of BTC so I then said i could take that and he spent a week saying he was trying to make it to where he could send it to me anonymously, and that's where we are today.

At around the same time he borrowed money from me he also did from other posters. Orange on 2plus2 Mjunior on 2plus2 and i think probably more but i have only been in contact with them 2. Oranges number was around 1500 and he has since been paid Mjunior is still owed 1400 and my number is 5150 when he paid orange he sent him an extra 200 and orange just sent 150 to me and 50 to Junior (which shak bitched and complained very hard about that orange didn't send the extra 200 to his stars.)

The 3 of us now believe he is scamming other people to make the money back to pay us or is just trying to make it on stars to pay us back and is just delaying as long as he can. He always has a constant list of typical excuses and lies to why he can't send. Believe me this whole process of trying to get paid has been very tiring and much more difficult than I can explain in a short post. him sending us what I think were fake screenshots fake emails fake echeck everything. ect

For all people in the community i suggest not doing ANY type of business with shak in the future and will list again more info i have on him.

anything i claimed i can back up with skype chat logs if necessary or pms its my belief that he is a str8 scammer/liar and would not believe a word he says

If anyone else has any info about him or dealings to report with him, please let us know. Thanks! If/when Shak repays us I will update it here.

also posted in HSNL here on 2plus2 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=45185389&postcount=32247

update on shak 11/9 he offered to pay me Paypal tonight i declined for obvious reasons it can be reversed. Now he says he is sending WU to me tomorrow in full and i will update if that actually happens.

update on shak 11/10 he sent me a pic of a stack of money, a WU form filled out, and a receipt saying he sent 6k to me. then he said WU blocked and reversed the transfer because they suspected fraud. Yesterday i had someone that lives near him and plays live with him and is respected on 2plus2 contact me willing to meet him for the cash. Shak said he will do that now "if he gets this refund from WU" so i will be back with another update later

update on shak 11/10 the 2+2 poster that knew him personally that I agreed to meet shak for the money has just left shak and has received my amount in full and $500 of juniors $1400 owed. they video called me on Skype and I saw shak handing him the money (had to make sure lol) this fully puts shak off the hook on owing me and he is in the clear on my end of things. I have taken his personal info out of this now however on 2plus2 that is not in my power and a mod has to do the editing. for the rest of the people owed gl to you and thank you very much to the people that wished me luck getting paid back.

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[–]Harleyy30040[S] 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (3子コメント)

update on shak

he offered to pay me Paypal tonight i declined for obvious reasons it can be reversed. Now he says he is sending WU to me tomorrow in full and i will update if that actually happens.

[–]bpeemp 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You may want to edit the original post with this info, so people can see it easier, because it's way towards the bottom right now. I upvoted for visibility. I'm sorry to hear what he did to you and I sure hope you get your money back.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure you'll get it in full. Provided he can get someone else to loan him the money.

edit: lol we now know for a fact that he's paying back one guy with 7tr's money

[–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Update: I'm waiting for info to send;

[–]Furples 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (77子コメント)

He was asking me two days ago if I wanted to buy any of his coaching packages and said that I had less than 24 hours to decide because he was doubling his rates soon. I don't want to jump to any conclusions but that sounds pretty sketchy in context of this news

[–]JBfan88 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Thats a classic scam: "buy now or itll be more expensive later!"

[–]Furples 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

To be fair, he had mentioned weeks ago that his rates would be increasing. I don't think he was planning to take my money and run if I bought a coaching package. I just think the "24 hour grace period" thing sounds like a desperate attempt to quickly raise some money to (maybe?) pay back outstanding loans. But you can't really trust anything on the internet, so I'm not jumping on the witch-hunt quite yet without more information

[–]McRib21 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (53子コメント)

I can also confirm that he took over a full month to pay back a small ($350) amount of money.

[–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (52子コメント)

at least you got paid!.... im going on 2 months. my own fault though. my dumb ass sent money to him.

[–]CyrusII 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (15子コメント)

C'mon, it was clear from his early posts that he is a shady fuck.

[–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

i know. im an idiot, what can i say.

[–]anonymous7guyupstairs [rangevsrange.com] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could explain why you lent him money. I'm so very curious about that point!

[–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other than what I said in my post, it also seemed like a good way to get some ukash, which I hadn't been able to get for the past month, and needed in order to deposit on my new Stars account. But mostly, it was what I said in my post: just a brain fart in the heat of the moment.

[–]CyrusII 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I learned my lesson not to lone money to gambler friends 2-3 years ago. Have not given money to anyone since. I hope it was a cheap lesson as was mine.

[–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i learned it long ago. i just had a brain fart and forgot it temporarily.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It happens to the best of us.

[–]polandpower 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It happens to the best most gullible of us.

Corrected that for you. Why the fuck would anyone give out a loan to random people over the Internet? What could go wrong, right..?

Doing business (i.e. any exchange of money/goods) with individuals you cannot physically meet is asking to be scammed. I'm not at all excusing the scammers, by the way; they're human waste.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's always people pretending they're way too smart or careful to ever get scammed who end up with a timeshare or pushing some shitty product in a pyramid scheme. I've seen some smart, almost always careful people fall for some dumb shit.

Shak was a well-integrated member of the community. A good portion of us thought he was no good, but he had previous dealings, had some pros on his cast, etc, kinda had some clout much to my dissatisfaction. Under pressure, he seems like a really unlikely candidate for this sort of thing if you weren't already in the "he's a piece of shit" camp.

[–]polandpower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have to admit that while I wasn't known with his (or anyone's) "dealings", though I did see via RES that I gave him upvotes in the past, so it seems I considered him to sound knowledgeable in terms of poker advice at least. I also agree with what you're saying in other parts of this thread.

Several years ago, I posted a lot on a forum that covered a niche sport. There were about 200 regulars and ~200 random people appearing/disappearing. At one point, the main moderator launched an action for people to buy T-shirts with the forum's logo. The money would be used to upgrade the site's servers. Several months later, people starting asking for their T-shirts. At first, it was the same shit. "I mailed the shirts, but the package was caught for random inspection at the border.. don't worry, you'll get them". "My phone is dead so I can't make a pic to verify". Etc etc. And then there was some guy with 10 posts claiming he'd receive his shirt (one of Mod's akas). After a while, Mod was gone. Reality started to creep in on them, they were scammed. The peculiar thing is that this mod had been posting near-daily for 4+ years; everyone knew him. No one saw it coming, I certainly didn't, either - didn't buy a shirt, but for other reasons. Why someone would give up all of that for a one-time at most $1000 is beyond me. Addiction is one hell of a thing.

Bottomline: even when someone appears trusted, well-known, been around for a while - it doesn't mean jack shit. And the "I'm not at my pc, can't show now" is the biggest bullshit ever.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, he does know how to play poker. But so did everyone at Full Tilt. So did POTRIPPER. To me, it's a non-issue.

People are already lining up to forgive him, even though evidence of what he's said is flimsy at best (in order: the stars pictures make no sense with his story because the limits reset in 30 days and its been 2 months AND he did send OP $500 at some point so it wasn't maxed the whole time, his bank "locked" picture could simply be him locked out of his online account. One could do this intentionally by entering their password wrong 3 or so times. His Paypal pic is not a live pic but a cropped down image of an error window with no context. You can cancel a WU on purpose. He said he had BTC and nothing could have possibly stopped him sending that if he had it. No time stamps. No context for most pics. They are little better than visual aids. They might be real, but they could easily just be more smoke and mirrors). I got downvoted for just pointing out one of those things. Also, we know he's at least partially paid back OP with another person's money who is still owed.

Normally, I'd be right along with giving the kid another chance. But he's just a fucking. Asshole. To everyone. All the time. His attitude is unforgivable. There is no sincerity in his repentance - he just wants to not hurt his own rep so he can continue doing what he wants. If he were a decent guy on some level, I'd just let bygones be bygones, but this fucker just needs to go for good. He was taxing before he was taking people's money in bad faith. Add that, and he has no place and no second chances in my mind. Too bad people obviously don't see it that way and someone will probably be taken from again.

[–]adrian200play money millionaire 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doing business (i.e. any exchange of money/goods) with individuals you cannot physically meet is asking to be scammed. I'm not at all excusing the scammers, by the way; they're human waste.

Have you ever deposited money into a poker site or bought something off Amazon?

[–]polandpower 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Keyword I used here being individuals.

[–]adrian200play money millionaire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

sorry I missed that

[–]SirHumphryDavy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (35子コメント)

I sent him $210 and it took almost 2 months to get it back but he finally sent it one day.

[–]dalonelybaptistKing of the nitregs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (34子コメント)

wtf am i the only reg here who won't send strangers $

[–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (26子コメント)

raises hand

[–]dalonelybaptistKing of the nitregs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (25子コメント)

actually that reminds me im quite skint atm fancy sending me a bit of spare dosh to eat for the week?

[–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Well, seeing how I dont know what you actually just asked me, um.... yes. I think?

[–]dalonelybaptistKing of the nitregs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (23子コメント)

english motherfucker

[–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (22子コメント)

'Skint' sounds like a type of weasel, does it really mean broke? And dosh is money? Where the fk does that come from

If I came to visit you dlb, would I be confused as fuck trying to communicate with people? Be honest with me here

[–]SirHumphryDavy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

We had already exchanged money a few times (for mutually beneficial reasons) without any issues over the year. The last time was the only time I had issues and I haven't done it again since.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk what went down, but he got in too deep with something.

[–]jonnyburgerFun Player 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

He tried to sell me coaching too, and I almost bought but didn't have much time yet during uni... he offers a $50 1 hour coaching which includes a 10% sweat of a $215 buy in mtt, i would have asked which tournament # it would be exactly, but i could imagine some people not doing that

[–]RadioViking 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reputation is everything in gambling.
-Phil Ivey

Where you at /u/TrueShak?

[–]CardCounter0silly trollfaced bastard 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Couldn't he just sell one of his $15,000 watches?

[–]ItIs521AM 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he wasn't a 17 year old kid I'm sure he would

[–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He seems to ship tourneys a lot too

[–]Psyc3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wait didn't someone claim to see him ship $24K live on stream like 2 weeks ago or something?

[–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea he beat my mate HU lol

[–]timesnewboston 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

yes, I watched this on his livestream. another redditor was commentating it as well, can't remember that persons name. They seemed like buddies

[–]Im_A_RothbardianLive Cash | Online MTTs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty sure it was Protential

[–]timesnewboston 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's correct

[–]nnth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

By this point he's probably in so much debt that he's paying off lenders from 6 months ago with this money.

[–]Doza13Playing the board 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man I figured you were going to have a field day in this thread. You disappoint me.

[–]seemetouchme 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not surprised at all. Having had the unfortunate experience of dealing cards to this character and playing against him. He is 100% pure scum. He treats all dealers like shit, berates all the players around him. Pisses off housemen and generally acts like a complete dickbag. He has been banned from multiple local casinos multiple times for his general behavior and its no wonder this crosses over to online.

I was surprised to see so many people actually care about what he posts and what bullshit he spews out of his mouth. Trolls love trolls I guess and if you ever see him in real life, this guy represents a troll very well.

[–]Harleyy30040[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

could you contact me not sure if theres pm on here but maybe 2plus2

[–]seemetouchme 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i pm'd you

[–]roscosBack to back bar poker champion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

to PM someone click on there name and on the right side of the screen under there karma numbers there will be a send message button.

[–]Palafacemaim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

have you seen some of his advice tho? a lot of the time he was spot on when he was serious so i think thats why people held it so highly sure he is apparently a scammer but that doesnt mean his poker logic cant be correct

[–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, this current matter is him being a scummy asshole, but scummy assholes can in fact be good at poker.

[–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They tend to often be. Hamilton, Men Nguyen, countless others. All known cheaters and overall assholes and all gifted players.

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    [–]anonymous7guyupstairs [rangevsrange.com][M] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can confirm TrueShak is not banned, and free to respond here. I'll send him a message to notify him of this thread. It's the least I can do.

    [–]ItIs521AM 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    He was a scammer in a small forum, d2jsp. I thought it was the same person but I didn't have enough proof to post it here. Sorry I didn't have enough to post and save you from some money. Sorry mate.

    Edit: the owner goes by the name on njaguar. For some kind of proof that he scammed on that site. I'm on vaca or else I would find his account and post it here

    Edit edit: I'm pretty sure it was just shak but I can't say for certain if you're trying to look for him

    [–]AARRGHH 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Can confirm this. Are you Prteam?

    [–]2blu4u 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    that would be me. thought it was too juicy not to post. surprised he wasn't outed sooner on 2+2

    [–]ItIs521AM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nope, I went inactive on that site long ago. Present here

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      [–]JBfan88 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Very sorry you got scammed OP, OTOH somewhat glad to have my loathing of /u/TrueShak justified.

      [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's like getting two Christmases!

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (28子コメント)

      I just wanted to post in this thread that I believe I have also been scammed by TrueShak. I can't say for sure that I've actually been scammed-- all I know for sure is that I gave him 3 bitcoins about seven weeks ago and have not been paid back.

      I had posted in a reddit thread about asking him for PLO coaching, and he PM'd me and we went from there. Shortly thereafter, he asked me for some bitcoins, and I agree to sell him 1 bitcoin in exchange for CAD ukash (the easiest method for me to deposit into my CA Stars account), and loan him 2 more for a short while.

      I was hesitant to send him the money because a lot of scammer warning signs were present: asking for money at all to begin with, pressuring, deleting threads he starts (see his reddit history and you'll find most of his submitted posts gone), having different usernames everywhere, and just his general childish attitude and aloofness and shadiness. He had also PM'd me a while back when dogecoin came out, asking for dogecoins.

      I ended up sending the money for a few reasons. Number one, honestly, was that I paniced under pressure and did something stupid that I generally would be smart enough not to do. The warning signs were there, not to mention I have a personal policy to not lend money. But the secondary reasons were that all the warning sign behavior was explainable. His attitude and dodginess are easily explained by him being a kid. He's 19. His asking for money a year or two ago fits in line with him getting good at poker recently and running up a lot of money and no longer being in that situation. I hadn't watched many of his twitch videos, but I'd seen one or two, and I'd had a few lessons with him, and at the very least, he's pretty competent. So it made sense to me that he recently fell into a lot of money with poker and just didn't quite know how to act. And as far as username switching and deleting posts-- well shit, I'm pretty paranoid myself about privacy, and I have different usernames everywhere as well (although I don't delete or modify my posts). And as for needing bitcoin-- well, bitcoins are indeed hard to get.

      So, under pressure, and with all the warning signs seemingly explainable, I sent him the money. I immediately regretted it and wondered why the fuck I just did that, and you can see in our conversations that immediately afterwards he asks for even more, and I flatly refused.

      I waited 3 weeks with no contact, and then PM'd him about it mid-October. Since then, he has been giving me "ya I'm working on it" type of responses. About two weeks ago, I told him that I'd need a firm date for bitcoins to be deposited into my address. On that firm date, he sent me another "working on it", and no bitcoins showed up. I did not reply to him, and have not contacted him, or heard from him, since that time. Until about an hour ago, when I PM'd him on Skype and informed him I'd be posting in this thread.

      Between then and now, I PM'd a two people that had won HU matches or otherwise were owed money from TrueShak to ge their opinions on the matter. One of them said he thought TrueShak was suspicious but he did not want me to post our conversation, and he personally had not been scammed by TrueShak. The other one, /u/BerryGuns, also said he had been paid, and agreed to allow me to post our conversation.

      If this is all a mis-understanding, I'd be very happy for TrueShak to reply and expliain his side of things. I don't want to slander somebody wrongly, and I will only ever post what I believe to be the truth. I will update this post if and when I am repaid.

      I consider this my own fault. The warning signs were there, and I just had a brain fart under pressure. It's too bad too, because he was a decent PLO coach, and my PLO game needs work! Oh well...

      Here is the first set of PM's, where he intitially contacted me about coaching. This is the second set -- it's all the same conversation, I had just started a new message rather than hitting reply. (Album of both convos.)

      And here is our Skype conversations, or you can read the text on pastebin.

      Those conversations are our full correspondance other than the times we were VOIPing on Skype, which only occured during lessons.

      My own research of TrueShak confirms all of the dox info that OP found. Additionally, he is $hak on a gaming forum, where he is banned.

      TrueShak's address I sent to, 1FNhs9bKDG3wMqaw75UxSMejoxaHP8BnRD, appears to be a Cryptsy account deposit address. (At least that's what he told me.) The last (oldest) and third to last payments to it, tx bec6a3590db4e6870a5298d576d985c733afc64ff22c38e2e2788515d1c730d5 and tx 5018efd431ccf388d79f6a780c3dfe457690dd01da39b3a3a3019204018f37fa are my payments. The first one is pre-payment for lessons, which I consider his money. The second is the 3btc loan, which I do not consider rightfully his. And just for clarity and reference, I have the private key for 17Sig, but the other address, 12Yim, is an exchange's address and I do not control the private keys for it.

      This is all the info I have. I will not be following up or attempting to find him or anything like that, but if other people want to use this information, I hope it helps. Like I said, I consider this MY fault. My dumb ass sent money to somebody I knew was shady.

      I have also screen-cap'd the original post, as well as put all my documents into a zip and uploaded it onto MEGA, just in case things get deleted.

      And like I said, I'll update if I ever see 3btc sent to my address

      Edit: I just went on to Skype and had a brief conversation with TrueShak. Nothing of note came from it, but for full disclosure, I'm posting it. The only new information is that I am apparently "s" from this post. He denominated it as $1300, but I only want the bitcoins back. I don't care that the price dropped since the lone, that's not his fault. At the end of the convo he asked me to respond at his claims against the PokerShibe guy. I didn't see that until I had already replied. I don't know anything about that situation and couldn't comment anyway. Here is the imgur album of that conversation, and here it is on pastebin.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Damn this is the shit I wanted to see. Screenshots and everything. What the fuck shak, my respect has rapidly drained. Sorry bout your loss 7tr.

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Yeah, any time I make a post like this, I will always post the actual conversation. My post is obviously heavily biased in favor of my opinion, so it would be unfair of me not to make available the actual convo, so the evidence can speak for itself. There's a very real chance that he's not scamming me and simply had some poor luck and is bad at communication. Obviously, I think the chance of that is small enough that I'm willing to still make my post and say I got scammed, but I'll always give whatever evidence I have so that he has recourse to defend himself, and so that anybody who's really truly interested in the facts has all the data available to them.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

      To be honest if the story of his banks freezing his accounts is true, it would help explain a lot of this, but his reactions to that happening have been poor. I was gonna comment and say that OP hasnt really provided any proof (neither has shak) but your post is the most convincing of all and your debt is also the oldest. He owes you before he owes OP, even though he owes OP more.

      Sorry about the stress, I would be livid, you are handling this much better than I would

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      haha don't get me wrong, im pretty upset. but yelling at him isn't going to do anything. and again, he may be (mostly) innocent and truly does intent to repay. so the most i can post that's at least bordering being fair is my opinions on what happened. but ya, off-line, im pretty livid about it-- mostly just angry at myself. plus im a bit stressed about money generally anyway. bitcoin price going to the 300s, poker went terribly during the series, and then i haven't been playing much the past few months. so money is tighter now than i expected it to be, and as much as i tried to project a "big man" image in my convo with berryguns about 3 bitcoins not being all that much, in truth it's not so small an amount for me right now.

      oh well, all of it's my fault. i lent him the money. i decided to dump everything in bitcoin. i decided to focus on other non-poker things knowing i wouldn't be making money these few months.

      sigh. only thing to do is take a deep breath and attempt to let it go and not make the same mistakes twice. live and learn. and then get luvs.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Your mental game is strong 7tr, tendler would be proud. Hope things look up in the future.

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      haha thanks, although honestly my mental game is shit. my keyboard warrior pretending-on-the-internet-to-be-more-zen-than-i-really-am game is strong.

      my mental weaknesses are a good part of the reason i havent been playing lately-- for the past ~8 months ive been life-tilting pretty hard, which infects my poker pretty badly. which causes me to tilt more because every week or two i freak out thinking "zomg i cant make money at poker any more wtf am i gonna do".

      knowing that i need to walk through the door is one thing. actually being able to walk through it is entirely another.

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      oh, and feel free to stop replying if you want. i have a tendency to keep replying to anything that somebody posts to me, so i often continue conversations way longer than necessary. so just stop replying when you think we've talked enough, cause i'll just keep replying all day long.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Haha no worries. I feel like you dont post here often enough anyway. I feel like over the past 6 months or so we have lost quite a few regulars. Shoutouts to /u/ChipChase (rip) and /u/screennames_are_hard

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      that's right chipchase just up and disappeared along with his history. i wonder what happened.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Took a break from poker and then deleted his account. Sad :(

      [–]KHSteel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      The likelihood of his accounts being frozen is really really low to me. Honestly, what are the chances of your PS account AND bank both conveniently being frozen at around the same time. With as much money as he claims to have made, he only has 1 bank account and no liquidity? He's also apparently used this excuse as far back as this summer to another poster in this thread. Interesting that he can live with a locked bank account for months, but can't pay back a few hundred here and there.

      He's not entirely terrible at PLO from what I've seen, but I also would not think he could consistently beat 5/10 online like he claims. I would guess that he had some rapid success at one point, overestimated his skill and has now lost the majority of the money he had. Him being untruthful in claiming to multiple parties he would send payment ASAP but never following through definitely sounds like someone who can't pay back.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      The only explanation is if he is doing as many transfers as people are reporting here, that makes banks suspicious. He also may be withholding some info, for example perhaps the account is in someone elses name. I am also hesitant to believe this as well without screenshots or pictures of letters they send you (because banks do send letters when they freeze accounts) and pokerstars does freeze accounts at the drop of a hat, sometimes just for random information checking.

      I agree his excuse is improbable and I want to see some proof. Kinda upsetting for me because I have believed him for the most part (dunno anything about 5/10PL so I cant comment on that) regarding his poker success because the serious analysis and content he contributes is good, and I dont get upset at his personality like most on this sub do, but this is disheartening for me.

      I overall agree with you though.

      [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      The only explanation is if he is doing as many transfers as people are reporting here, that makes banks suspicious. He also may be withholding some info, for example perhaps the account is in someone elses name. I am also hesitant to believe this as well without screenshots or pictures of letters they send you (because banks do send letters when they freeze accounts) and pokerstars does freeze accounts at the drop of a hat, sometimes just for random information checking.

      You're actually spot on with everything. The stars and Bank account are in my name.

      My Bank account has since (recently, very recently) been unfrozen, and i've migrated to a new bank where i've drafted my funds to and should be available this week. For these reasons I haven't deleted my online existence, or even argued much, because actions speak much louder than words.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comments/2lt176/warning_to_poker_community_scammer_alert_trueshak/clyrdym

      There is a link with proofs/pictures etc of that.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Clear all of this up bud, clean and fast like. Only way it can be settled. Thanks for the pictures, not perfect but better than just words

      [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Thanks, respect you and ur a cool dude. Luckily have the next 2 days off, so will def be sorting out the majority of this then. Harley should have been cleared this afternoon but western union is the shittiest company on the face of the earth... so maybe another 2 hours till thats done.

      [–]Havefa1thhttp://i.imgur.com/5CY4kvy.jpg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Dont forget /u/7tr pls

      [–]Touch_Of_Red 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Shit that's rough. Does he still owe you coaching hours or did you guys get that all squared away?

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      i pre-paid for some coaching hours and have not gone through them all, however i told him i no longer wished to be his student and that he should keep the pre-payment for the coaching even though we didnt finish. he was willing to continue coaching, and my decision to quit shouldnt rob him of money that is rightfully his and that he fully intended to make good on by continuing to coach me. so i dont want any refunds for the un-used coaching money. i just want the 3 bitcoins back.

      [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He denominated it as $1300, but I only want the bitcoins back.

      That's very noble of you to do for a guy who just took money from you in bad faith. I agree it's fair, but I really think since he fucked up and potentially could have been freerolling you on volatility, I wouldn't think it inappropriate if you asked for the right amount. I hope you get your BTC back. Hopefully it's visible by the time you do.

      [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      nothing yet but here's hoping. thanks for the support

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        [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Oh, we know this guy alright. While I have no experience in deals with him and cannot offer actual evidence for or against, I can say based on his character I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

        " so I then said i could take that and he spent a week saying he was trying to make it to where he could send it to me anonymously, and that's where we are today.

        Yeah, this sent up the final red flag and sounds like grade A bullshit to me. Anonymous? Um. What does that even mean? You know who he is! To whom? Just open anythrowaway one-time wallet, use it as an intermediary, and bam, any other possible meaning would be taken care of. Would take, oh, two minutes. Even if you wanted to get weird and cover your tracks by doing everything encrypted and offline...which, again, there's no reason to do.

        Funny enough, he has been completely absent recently. And he usually can't possibly whore more attention, so the silence is noticed. I know the kid likes to live the high life, play high stakes, and pretend to be a big shot, so it's not really out of the realm of possibility that he was a total degen, fucked up his roll, and is down and desperate. Again, no direct evidence. Just my two cents.

        [–]Psyc3 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I can say based on his character I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

        Pretty much, the kid acts...well...like a kid, he acts like a 13 year old xbox gamer.

        [–]Flixsl 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        was reading some of his past comments and yea I wouldnt have ever given that guy a single dollar (then again I doubt you would ever get a single dollar from me on the interwebs, To many fucking shady people out there already.. add in anonymity and its fucking a joke.)

        [–]Psyc3 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Have to agree, if you don't know where someone lives don't give them your money.

        [–]Flixsl 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hell i have been in the industry for 20 years.. and even when I know where they live I dont give out money. The best money I have ever spent was "loaning" $300 bucks to T. J. Cloutier so he could play some craps.. Its been 15 years and I have yet to been paid back. The best part is I get to hassle him for 15 years at the craps table everytime I see him so he never plays on the table if I am there.. (hes a known jinx'er instant 7 out if hes on your table :P) not that I believe in luck because that would be unlucky.

        [–]Harleyy30040[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        not sure reddits rules if i need to take out any info let me know on 2plus2 its common to fully out the scammer so people dont further get scammed

        [–]RadioViking 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can click on "reply" to reply to comments directly!

        [–]sausalitoturkeyface 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I can't say im surprised. Dude always rubbed me the wrong way. He had some Heads-up challenge things going on, that I wanted to play, but he required I front the $. After speaking to someone else who played him and fronted, his feedback was he was super shady. Took him days upon days to ship $ back. I decided to take a pass, and glad I did. Hopefully you get paid, but I think the kids a degen...

        [–]spotty82 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That the home game thing on stars? I was looking into that but it didn't sit right with me even though he said he would do escrow...

        [–]sausalitoturkeyface 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes.

        Im not going to out who I spoke to, but they said he ducked him for days but was finally paid. The amount owed was much smalled than what OP is claiming here, but was enough for me to not pursue the challenge any further.

        He said he would think about escrowing with me too, but couldn't suggest anyone that would escrow, and I wasn't about to ID someone from here either so it didn't get very far.

        [–]Psyc3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Lol did that not have an escrow, what a joke.

        [–]timesnewboston 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I played him and lost 3-2, we didn't escrow, just agreed to send the money after. only $100 so I wasn't really worried about getting scammed

        [–]Harleyy30040[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        to they guys saying i was stupid for lending him money yes i agree although it is common practice when withdrawing money through the high stakes NL trade thread on 2plus2.. someone has to send first. i wasnt just lending him it was an agreed upon withdraw transaction

        [–]IrEgptiontwitch.tv/iregption 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Welp, this just got interesting. I just assumed it was the person I knew he owed money too seeing ~5.3k owed. then i read the story. oh heavens this gon be good.

        [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        So you know someone else who he owes 5.3k?

        [–]IrEgptiontwitch.tv/iregption 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Its max raises, guy hes claiming to blow off

        [–]darkgamr 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        The 3 of us now believe he is scamming other people to make the money back to pay us or is just trying to make it on stars to pay us back and is just delaying as long as he can.

        You're delusional if you think he's trying to scam other people to pay you what he owes you from scamming. He's clearly just collecting more for himself. Good luck getting your money back but I don't really see it happening

        [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I think OP means he's kinda ponzi'ing partial payments with other money to keep his cred good enough to get more. If he just took and gave none back, he'd probably get less overall because it'd be caught and corrected quickly.

        [–]Harleyy30040[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        this is correct

        [–]Trueshakthrow 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (41子コメント)

        I'm out visiting a family member today. Most of what harley has said is true, and disappointing. The intention isn't to scam, and I've yet to read any posts yet (aside from the downvoted one saying doxxing is bad which I don't believe in -- feel its necessary if you think you're not being paid , but figured id do some damage control.

        I'll try to articulate a tumultuous two months without making excuses

        My bank account in Canada was frozen indefinitely with a large portion of my networth. I hit a downswing and got ddosed after that, so got a little bit screwed briefly on a financial front, as many wires pending were blocked and I was in the hole to make up for it (expected to pull a bunch out of my ass with no access to funds). I have ss's to prove this and have sent before to Orange. Anyways -- I had a bunch of people to settle with, and slowly chipped most of them away, probably a total of 30k to settle becoming ~ 12k now. I understand Harley's fristrations and am not upset with the post as its a necessity.

        Financially we could be in rougher shape, so I'm not completely fkd and hope to learn a valuable life lesson from this

        I offered Harley PayPal today, had 6k ready to go however he doesn't want PayPal which is understandable -- so I'll be western unioning a friend of his tomorrow around 9-12 mountain time.

        As for other debts:

        I owe harley and mjunior(who I have dealt with immensely and have a good rapport with

        I owe NF ~ 3k

        DL < 600

        KM < 715

        QCJ < 944

        s (can't reveal identity) 1300

        Once I pay Harley tomorrow, I'll only owe Half of this which I can liquidate thru a few means, and would be square within A week or so. I should have done this before but desperation will lead to creativity.

        I apologize for the inconvenience, and blatant fick up / abuse by me, however unlike other situations similar to this, am quite sure this should be resolved promptly.

        I've excluded a debt to maxraises for reasons I'll get into later, however will hint that he has abused his leverage on me (threat of dox and legal action) to the point where I'm handcuffed by him. I've stalled paying him mostly for selfish reasons, however there may be a bombshell I'll drop similar to the full tilt / UB level of scandal with regards to the site he runs "pokershibes" as well as a few other things that I need community input on however have avoided while I have this looming right now.

        I also want to extend a giant middle finger to 888poker for scamming me of $10k after my score.

        with regards to coaching most funds received were allocated to paying Harley once I realized my wires were fucked. Also I don't think this questions my ability as a coach either I had to make a throwaway because I don't have a password saved on my reddit safari and don't remember my password

        I'll update with a pic when I send the WU tomorrow At noon.

        Thanks for listening and my bad dudes!

        Would also like to thank jaimestaples, josh_lee981(one of my best buds in poker) and rodgethat for advice/letting me know as well as hope-full for being a legit helping hand.

        Intentions were never scummy; however as I've fucked up I see a need to give back to the poker community from what I briefly took and will be exposing pokershibes and a HU ddos ring on 888 and stars.

        [–]Touch_Of_Red 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (18子コメント)

        Just to make this easier on people:

        "Max Raises" said in the 2p2 thread:

        He has owed me $6k for about 8 months. Nothing but excuses on sending it back. He has sent me two wires (both fake), moneygram (also fake), and made countless promises.

        Shak says:

        I've excluded a debt to maxraises for reasons I'll get into later, however will hint that he has abused his leverage on me (threat of dox and legal action) to the point where I'm handcuffed by him. I've stalled paying him mostly for selfish reasons, however there may be a bombshell I'll drop similar to the full tilt / UB level of scandal with regards to the site he runs "pokershibes" as well as a few other things that I need community input on however have avoided while I have this looming right now.

        The questions I have are: do you owe him 6k? What from? Did you send him fake wires and moneygrams? Why? And of course what is the bombshell ect ect.

        [–]sjleader 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

        "My accounts are frozen." Lol. If you believe that I have a nigerian prince who needs your help.

        [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I've actually showed Oranfe (mentioned in OP) proof of both my stars and bank account being frozen. Will post publicly when I'm on comp.

        [–]sjleader 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Listen, I don't know you- so I am not going to pass judgement on your innocence or guilt in this situation, but, generally speaking, people's accounts only get frozen when they are either breaking the terms of use or doing something illegal.

        [–]SirHumphryDavy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Completely agree, there is no way his account is frozen. He is always using this type of excuse. Either his limits are maxed out or something is locked or frozen. I like him as a person to talk to but he is without a doubt shady when it comes to stuff like this.

        [–]sjleader 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He could be a great guy in person, sure, but its clear he has been running an internet scam to finance his gambling. Classic gambling problem. He should be charged with wire fraud and he should stay away from casinos.

        [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        The actual amount is far less than 6k he said, however he's bullied it into me saying I will so he leaves me alone, it's along the lines of him, being an owner of Pokershibes, sending me dogecoin in expectance of me promoting the site and driving action with a more laggy style than normal. The bombshell I can't get into right now because I don't have computer access with all of the proof but it's along the lines of the owner having multiple accounts on pokershibes (without telling people), playing from different accounts -- sometimes two on one table, and using his administration abilities to gain an extra edge by using blanket HHs to figure out what a player play style was like -- something regular users could not. It was not uncommon for him to have 4-5 people in exposure on a 6max table with a fish. Also I was never sent $ from him, just dogecoin, however the dogecoin price tanked heavily and he wants the $ equivalent of what the dogecoin was, instead of dogecoin returned. Basically a sick free roll. That's the only real debt I contest.

        [–]UGOTPZD 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        How is that a free roll? What if the price sky rocketed?

        [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        If price sky rockets I'd have to pay him back in doge still.

        [–]UGOTPZD 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        One could easily say you were free rolling him, if the price sky rocketed people have to believe you would have wanted to send doge back instead of market value at the time. If it wasn't specifically stated at the time, I assume market value would have been most fair option. Also isn't your delay in paying him back part of the problem (more time passes more possible chance in Doge value)?

        [–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Why did 888 take 10k off you?

        [–]KHSteel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Yeah, I feel like this definitely needs to be answered.

        It's a bit strange he just makes an offhand comment about this now. For a guy who loves to attention whore as much as he does, and he's just now mentioning he had 10 thousand fuckin dollars withheld? Dude has made multiple posts about his shitty attitude in a casino and getting punished for that, yet not a peep until now about $10k? And with no explanation as to why. Seems like if he got busted for something illegal during the tournament, they would've withheld all of it, not just 10k.

        [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Sure is unfortunate how his reddit acct isn't working properly, imgur isn't working properly, his bank acct was froze for no reason, people are lying about him scamming in the past, and well-established poker sites are scamming him all at the same time so he's really the victim here, not the people whose money has gone AWOL. Poor TrueShak :'(

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          [–]sausalitoturkeyface 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why are you using a throwaway for this comment???

          You should repost this from your actual account, otherwise it will only be considered an attempt to confuse people and keep this omission off your actual user account.

          [–]jaimestaples 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'd just like to clarify,

          I know Shak IRL ( we frequent the same casinos.) We don't get along personally but I feel bad for him because he is so young. I want him to succeed and advised him to be completely honest and not lie about anything. I expect this explanation has a few lies in it tbh but It seems a lot more truthful then normal.

          For my own sake I'd like to say I have had nothing to do with this, and would like nothing to do with this going forward. I will vouch however for shaks poker ability just on its own. I would never trust him again with anything, but he is good at cards.

          Gl to everyone that is owed and GL Shak on figuring this out.

          [–]BountyBob 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I also want to extend a giant middle finger to 888poker for scamming me of $10k after my score.

          I play on 888, what's the story here please?

          [–]TheSystem_IsDown 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Probably playing through a proxy when you're not allowed to play there. They legally can't pay you any winnings and are happy to take them.

          [–]MulattoLatteLive Cash Game 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          888 is available in Canada

          [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You'll have to excuse me for being skeptical. It's not just that, as below pointed out, the "accounts are frozen" schtick is a hard sell and it would be very easy to fake emails, so just save it but you were ready to send with bitcoin and your reason for delay was to make it "anonymous." This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense on a base level. The person knows you, so anonymous to whom? Even given the loosest definition of anonymous, if you actually did have the coins, it would take no time at all to do everything offline, encrypted, max-safety into a one-use wallet. Bam, done in a day.

          Combine that with the standing suspicions and reports of shady dealings and there's just not a reason to believe a word of it. Not of 888 fucking you, not of your bank being frozen, who gives a shit about PokerShibes, every single site "glitching" on you. Nothing. And they'd all have to be true to even have a chance of your story making sense. People in your situation always have excuses, and they're usually just like this.

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            [–]CardCounter0silly trollfaced bastard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhK03o0P814

            [–]CardCounter0silly trollfaced bastard 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            he sent me a pic of a stack of money, a WU form filled out, and a receipt saying he sent 6k to me. then he said WU blocked and reversed the transfer because they suspected fraud.

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaw. lol at sending pic of money.

            [–]TrueShakAsk me about private coaching! 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Alright, I went in to WU today and did transaction. Due to the large nature of the transaction, Western Union put a hold on it.

            They declined the transfer as it was deemed a "risk" and I was refunded the $ after two hours of hassle while standing the safeway.

            I now have the cash on my person, and am meeting someone around 5 (2 1/2 hours from now) who will transfer $ to harleyy (full amount) on pokerstars and take the cash from me. That person is known as "rodgethat" online on stars.

            Alot of people have said that I made up the limit shit, frozen accounts, so I had these physical pictures that I took earlier on to send to someone

            Capped Stars Limit: http://gyazo.com/6a870e88dce977dfa8aea45cfd1680cf

            Frozen TD Account( the cause for everything getting balooned into this sprial) http://gyazo.com/5595706be52a72a8a597b2380dd6eb60

            Locked Stars Transfers: http://gyazo.com/0eabea9b7e9a44cf4c9e285beb9049cf

            Paypal Limitation: http://gyazo.com/f2b9a7bfaa8b892f3c41348051bc1f1b

            Proof of submitting WU http://gyazo.com/2695d0d2553d6f4dcfb0197bedf71cd8

            Also took some pics of them taking forever to refund me.

            Figured I could include proof that i was on the phone with them right after sending (timeline checks out with WU timestamp on receipt -- agent tells me its on hold and to call them -- i spent 20 minutes arguing -- get refunded hour and a half later)

            http://gyazo.com/3027444fa549d4bcc0b3274e863cbf01

            Will update at 5:30 or 6:00 ish.

            [–]sjleader 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            My cousin is a prince in Nigeria and he needs your help. You see, he won the lottery and, well, because of currency exchange rates his $1,000,000 would only be $250,000! Not fair, so he asked me if I could claim the prize for him, since, I am not a citizen of Nigeria, I would be exempt from the exchange rate/tax he said I could keep $250,000 and give him the other $750,000. All I have to do is pay the $10,000 fee to transfer the money to my account!! So, if you lend me the $10,000- I will take care of the transaction and then I'll pay you back $25,000 in two weeks when I get the money. Thanks! Oh, and I'll need your visa card number and social security number, the bank requires that for the transfer...

            [–]robinmatteri 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "....oh shucks! I'm going to also need your Mother's maiden name and a DNA sample....." Thank GOD (the poker God, of course) you said something. I was beginning to think I was out of the loop. FYI, it's against the rules in live casino's for employees to lend money to customer's for several reasons. This might serve as a bit of a hint that even casino's understand crooked ass people gamble.

            [–]Stevenab87Whale Poacher 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            rip in peace /u/TrueShak

            [–]spotty82 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Is this the guy who was asking if anyone wanted to play best of 8 HUSNG home game on stars for $100-$400 stakes?

            [–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Yea I beat him and he paid me tho

            [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Probs with OP's money

            [–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Hahah ul op

            [–]PeterSutcliffeTest 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Looks like you got the last laugh Barry. #Yorkshire

            [–]AdventuresOfSeal/r/PokerVids 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Knew this guy was a jerk but never expected him to be a fraud. Thankfully this will be the last we see of him here on reddit, hope OP can get more $ back.

            [–]Suckysucky5dollaa 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Dude how could you trust that idiot. It's so obvious he has no character. Runner runner 2% allin. Ur out

            [–]Touch_Of_Red 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Damn, you always hate to hear about this shit.

            On the 2p2 thread another person says he's owed 6k.

            [–]PeterSutcliffeTest 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            OH SHIT R/POKER DRAMA. YUMMY.

            [–]SPACEBAR_BROKEN 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            lmfao. I'm pretty sure I remember several people/times on this sub where people thought trushak was eventually gonna scam someone. guess it finally happened.

            [–]KHSteel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wow, yeah. I feel bad for OP, but I also can't say I thought trueshak was as legit as he tried to make himself to be.

            When Starsregproblems was outed as a scammer, made me think that trueshak was just like him. Loved to talk up his game and self-promote.

            [–]gosioux 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif

            [–]Harleyy30040[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            i received $215 on 10/25 and $285 on 10/28 and that's it on stars and again i didn't loan a random money for no reason its standard read the last link in my post on 2plus2

            [–]Nblvbl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I think the word scam isn't appropriate here. If his intentions were to never pay back it'd be scamming but this is a case of a guy getting in way over his head and trying to take the gamblers way out. The kid still knows who he owes and what he owes them. If it was a scam he'd be gone. Now he's just a kid with a tainted reputation and alot of debt.

            [–]Hollow_Man_http://i.imgur.com/zGc9x26.jpg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I always miss the best shit when I don't check r/poker for awhile. Reading this thread has been exhilarating. Hope you get paid back OP. You too /u/7trXMk6Z.

            [–]IMA_grinder 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Mods need to sticky this until it's settled, especially since he's an active poster.

            [–]MrTomAce 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            You're insane to loan that money to someone you don't know. Good luck.

            [–]Muxzy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Yeah lol, what the hell is wrong with people

            [–]spotty82 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Happens with reasonable regularity on 2+2 among the HS players there from what I see. No idea why.

            [–]mommathecat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because they're 22 and dumb.

            [–]Touch_Of_Red 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's a pretty common issue in the community, esp mid and high stakes MTTers. Basically, people confuse "he plays a lot of high stakes" and/or "we talk occasionally online" with "trusted friend".

            [–]passwordispoop 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Tough beat OP. But really, how many times do people need to say it, never lend money to poker players.

            [–]Psyc3 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Or you know, don't give money to random people on the internet...

            [–]jdepps113 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Normally I'd agree with you, but I recently met this Nigerian prince online who had a very interesting and, can I say, lucrative proposition... long story short, I lent him a comparatively small sum and soon I'll have millions!

            [–]PokerDividendswww.PokerStreams.org 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            when the son of the deposed king of Nigeria emails you directly, asking for help, you help! His father ran the freaking country! Ok?

            [–]polandpower 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That Magicians Set was for business reasons, Toby. It would bring in more customers!

            [–]Psyc3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Psh...idiot, Nigerian poker players are where the moneys at...and immature midlanders...and Roulette, slots are great as well.

            [–]SPERRAZZATURA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            or you know....don't lend money to ANYONE. that's my policy.

            [–]slick_bucks 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            OP, can I borrow $50?

            [–]PM_UR_B_Cups 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            I can vouch that he will pay you back with interest

            [–]jdepps113 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I can vouch for both of these guys (you guys are giving me 10% of the loot for vouching for you, right)?

            [–]ECgopher 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'll vouch for 9%

            [–]GarlicXToast 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Can comfirm a similar situation,

            I'm a live pro from the same city where Shak lives and goes to school, Calgary, AB. Last summer there was a live MTT series here in Calgary where l decided to sell small pieces to my friends. 5%-10%

            Shak wanted in on the action and wanted bigger pieces, 25%-30%. I had no reason to doubt him so I gave him the action he wanted. Unfortunately I bricked everything and the bill for Shak was/is $715. In Shak's comment he says owes KM $715, that is me.

            Also during that same event I lent him $1100 to play the main event because, "All my money is locked up online".

            Looking back obviously this is a ridiculous move on my part but I had just recently turned pro and didn't want to shut doors in the poker community. A couple weeks later after multiple messages and tweets Shak sent me $1100 through an online bank transfer.

            It's been super frustrating trying to get this $715 back. I've even met him in person a few times and there's always excuses.

            It seems that you actually have intentions of paying back the money so l hope you come through man. You have my etransfer information, I need to see that money soon.

            [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Looking back obviously this is a ridiculous move on my part but I had just recently turned pro and didn't want to shut doors in the poker community."

            I totally understand that logic and feeling, but I think the amount of degens you will get prying at that door far outweighs leaving "doors open." If you have good reasons for not wanting to lend or stake, even if it's just "I don't think it's a good move with my money at the moment," anybody who's worth a damn is going to understand that it's not out of stinginess. If you're a decent guy, the doors that matter are a little harder to close than that. Usually you have to be a dick or not good for your word.

            [–]BerryGunsLeeds pro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Holy fuck lol this sub

            /u/7trXMk6Z has been scammed too :/

            [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I believe I have been scammed, yes. I will post the details in this thread as soon as I collect them. The short version is that I contacted him for PLO coaching, and after the second lesson, in mid September, I lent him 3 bitcoins for reasons I'll explain in the post, and he has not yet paid me back. I wasn't going to post a "scammer alert" thread until I was absolutely positive I was never going to be paid back, because I didn't want to wrongfully smear somebody's reputation. But yes, the long and the short of it is that I lent him 3 bitcoins about seven weeks ago, which he has not yet paid back. He was a decent PLO coach though.

            Edit: posted

            [–]dalonelybaptistKing of the nitregs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Mate your HU showdown must have finally cracked him

            [–]FootofGod10-25 NL & PL - Bovada 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Guess his daddy wasn't that rich after all :/

            [–]roscosBack to back bar poker champion 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Am I the only one stunned by his full name?

            [–]CyrusII 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm not stunned, but sorta sad that this scum is a fellow Iranian.

            [–]IntotheopenDouble Range Merging since 1842 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's like when I see a shitty thing on the news and just hope it's not a Jewish last name.

            [–]nappy101 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I thought it was Dan Shak.

            [–]UGOTPZD 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Did you or the other two guys happen to receive a transfer on either October 15th or 16th on pokerstrs from him?

            [–]Zeichef 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm sorry but you're a fucking tool for lending 6k to a total stranger. What the fuck is this about vouching? Are you kidding me? If you don't know him well enough to know if he's trustworthy then you don't give him any money for fuck's sake. Sorry for being this way but this truly baffles me.

            [–]IrEgptiontwitch.tv/iregption 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            didn't lend him 6k. he got scammed on a 2p2 transfer thread.

            [–]NosferatoonMicro Stakes Degen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Have dealt with him a lot, bought coaching and got in a annoying financial spot and he quickly refunded I know his accounts have been frozen, I dont think he is scamming

            [–]jdepps113 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Here's a great trick for avoiding scammers:

            don't fucking lend people you don't know money.

            [–]BountyBob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wait a minute, that's genius!

            [–]wd4life 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Bonus trick - if a person who you know or is a friend annoys you - lend them money and watch them disappear from your life. Money well spent.

            [–]jdepps113 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            You listen to Adam Carolla? He said this on his show not too long ago, and I agreed with him then and you now.

            [–]wd4life 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Hmm no, maybe I need to check him out. I lost a "good" friend two years ago though.

            [–]jdepps113 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            One of the best podcasts out there, if you like listening to mostly people talking, shooting the shit, some comedic riffing, some rants, and occasionally games or bits.

            [–]sjleader 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Seriously, people, why the hell are you all just lending money to strangers o n the internet? I mean, what do you get for it, and how doesn't that send up giant red flags?

            [–]cedarglace 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sounds like a fucking degen

            [–]rodgethat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I am the 2p2 poster that met shak and is wiring the $$ to Harley, Figured i would make a account to comment on the situation.

            I met shak just over a year ago from a poker player group chat on skype and have been chatting online weekly ever since. Mostly just for random nonsense/poker stuff while we are both grinding online. Also met irl a couple times in some live mtts.

            I have always seen Shak as an very outgoing, young 19 year old kid that was very energetic about poker and somewhat immature at times, didn't really know when to take his seriously or not.

            From my interactions with Shak I dont believe he had any intent to steal i just think he is a young guy that got way in over his head and will learn from this experience more than anything.

            I am Really happy to see he is making things right and came clean about everything, I wish all parties involved the best and hope everything is will be resolved asap.

            [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Before when we've talked he mentioned he had a lot of BTC

            orly... cause he's been dodging me for btc for a while. good to know.

            [–]Stringdaddy27Felt Wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I have a Louisville Slugger if you ever need one. I'll loan it to you, but you have to bring it back!

            [–]7trXMk6ZIt cannot be found by seeking, but only seekers shall find it. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            is it ok if it's cracked and has blood on it when i return it?

            [–]Doza13Playing the board 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wow there sure are a lot of trusting people in this thread. I really have a hard time feeling pity if you basically give money to someone you don't know on a promise.

            [–]Squeakbox90 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Always thought this kid was a faggot. Never understood why he's stuck around for so long and kept posting when clearly nobody likes him.

            [–]SPERRAZZATURA 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I think we just found out why he's stuck around for so long and kept posting....

            [–]ECgopher 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Always thought this kid was a faggot

            What are you, 12?

            [–]taydotclicking buttons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            http://i.imgur.com/7WpF4NC.gif

            [–]fauststriving 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            One of the first lessons Grandpa taught me was not to send strangers from online poker forums money. It's saved me a lot of heartache. Thanks, Grandpa.

            [–]anonymous7guyupstairs [rangevsrange.com] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But you play over the table. Ever lend money to someone you know from the tables?

            [–]Luckisreal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Sorry for your loss 195 bits /u/changetip

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