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Tower of london poppies (asdlkj.net)
fxylxy1980 が 13 時間 前 投稿
[–]fxylxy1980[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 13 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Moon was out, caused me major stitching problems on the sky, hence patches of dark and light... Reshoot is in order.
[–]presidentjim 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Awesome shot either way
[–]battleostrich248 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Britain hoping for a bumper Tower of London opium crop
[–]fxylxy1980[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Mega lolz
[–]DHolder1 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 13 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Great photo, amazing installation
[–]SterlingMalory 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This looks like the intro picture to Kink Factory porn, queue a strange mixture of arousal and shame
[–]JVlyles 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Jesus Christ I've been twice to see it and I couldn't get within a foot of a barrier 'cos of how busy it was. So jealous.
[–]dangercart 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Great picture. I've temporarily stolen it as my Facebook cover photo... I hope you don't mind.
I'm going to go by today while the weather is nice but based on how crazy it was in the grey yesterday it's going to be a madhouse.
[–]daos 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
What time did you go and how busy was it? I went earlier in October but would like to see it again before it gets removed so was thinking of going early on Saturday.
[–]fxylxy1980[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
We went at 10pm. It's just too busy during the day.
[–]DisneyBounder 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 37 分 前 (0子コメント)
I went back in September. I'd really like to see it again before the 11th but the crowds put me off. Anybody know around what time it usually quietens down?
[–]tyroneking 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 分 前 (0子コメント)
Great pic! Much better than what I could get - congrats!
[+]OsLeanbh スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 6 時間 前* (26子コメント)
A suitable site and installation to mark the blood spilt by the Crown. Personally I find it a strange place to honour remembrance day and the red poppy. I wish it was more true to the commonness of those who died. The fact that it wasn't just* soldiers but rather every abled man who left to fight. Many not coming back. And thats ignoring all the other deaths as a result of war*.
I really like how Berlin has marked the occasion of the fall of the berlin wall* with a city wide reminder of the wall.
*edited in some clarity
[–]tetrahydrofuran 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 5 時間 前 (25子コメント)
Personally, I really don't like the whole remembrance day charade. First of all, In Flanders Fields is an awful poem, the whole message of it - continue our fight no matter what it takes, otherwise you're a disgrace to the fallen - is a bit dogmatic, but that's to be expected in the army.
Then there's the fact that everyone (at least every public person) has to wear the poppies, otherwise they're ostracised.
And that nowadays most of Europe, including the UK, has a professional army, which is pretty much nothing like the "forced conscription" during WWI and WWII.
Also it provides the public an excuse to not give a shit about veterans for the rest of the year.
The Germans, or even my home country - Slovakia - has done the remembrance much more tactfully without so much "in your face".
[–]AL85 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 4 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Remembrance day does not in any way provide an excuse to ignore veterans every other day of the year, nor are the poppies an excuse to ostracise people. Also to argue that other countries do remembrance better is just offensively absurd. We wear paper flowers bought through a donation to the Royal British Legion and have a 2 minutes silence. What makes Slovakia's remembrance of their fallen so much more 'tactful'? I bet you've never actually gone to a remembrance service yourself.
[–]OsLeanbh 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
You deleted your comment, which I had written a reply. I feel I should still reply.
Also to insult our soldiers, many killed by Germany, and then to claim the germans remembrance of something completely different is better is outrageous and quite frankly ignorant.
I remember and respect the fallen Germans with equal measure to British. On both sides there were innocent people marched to their deaths. My wording is poor and I am aware of the separate events being commemorated. Though yes, as an installation, I do believe it is 'better' way of marking a past event. Which is more of a comment on it as an installation.
the tower of london association with the past brutality of the monarchy making it a poor place to commemorate remembrance of fallen soldiers, which is absolute nonsense.
I disagree. I don't believe it marks the occasion with any significance and distracts me as previously commented.
And to state the men sent weren't soldiers, but just able bodied men is downright insulting to those who died. They earnt the right and the honour to be considered soldiers. You have no right to say they weren't soldiers.
Many were just men. As ordinary us all, forced into war. They weren't professional soldiers, though they may have become them. They should be remembered as individuals. Not as the Armed forces, which Hijacks remembrance day. Posturing as honourable along side politicians, when many of them are warmongers.
And in remembrance, beyond the soldiers. The women who fought in resistance through various means. The innocent people across Europe who died.
Remembrance day to me is remembering the tragedy of war not honouring a death cult of military service. Which is not a statement against those who choose to join the military, we need soldiers, but we should not blind ourselves with pride that they or the institutions behind them are infallible. In particular those who send men and women into war. The likes of Tony Blair for example. Who will stand in line with those as guilty.
Respectfully, I'll stand elsewhere.
[–]bigdaddyhame 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
A good example of men who were "just men" being sent to war: the merchant navy. Thousands of ships and sailors who were pressed into service as supply ships and troop carriers. The sailors on those ships, many of whom had to defend their ships against attackers, and thousands of whom were killed, were often treated poorly when they returned home because they were able-bodied men who apparently weren't fit to wear the uniform, despite many of them being given medals for service, etc by the British Government.
[–]Wabbithunter68 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 34 分 前 (0子コメント)
There's a lovely memorial to them opposite the TofL.
[–]AL85 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I deleted my comment as I felt it was too harshly worded and unnecessarily critical of your opinions based on a few sentences. However I will rebuff your points.
I remember and respect the fallen Germans with equal measure to British. On both sides there were innocent people marched to their deaths.
And that is absolutely correct and fair, however what you have done is say a german remembrance installation is better than a British installation for soldiers killed. It isn't a competition. It's a memorial instillation for British soldiers killed in wars with Germany. It has nothing to do with being better or worse than Germans, Germany or anything else. There is no need to bring up such criticism of a memorial.
Though yes, as an installation, I do believe it is 'better' way of marking a past event. Which is more of a comment on it as an installation.
There would be no way of having a similar installation to that of the Berlin Wall for the purpose of commemorating millions of war dead in another country. Secondly similar events occurred in the UK in 2010 and 2012 along Hadrians Wall, illuminating it from one side of the country to the other. In Britain the poppy is the traditional symbol of remembrance, and thus a wall of balloons would have no relevance whatsoever, whilst a sea of poppies is directly relevant.
I don't believe it marks the occasion with any significance and distracts me as previously commented.
The Tower of London has had significance with the British military for centuries and the moat is a great open space for this kind of installation, which looks great. There is no connection between the medieval history of the Tower of London and the conflicts of the 20th century. I can't even grasp how one would try to draw a link between the two.
Many were just men. As ordinary us all, forced into war.
All soldiers are just men. The conscripts and volunteers should be remembered equally with the honour they have earnt, as soldiers.
They should be remembered as individuals.
Which is the exact point of this type of installation where a sea of poppies is representative of the vast number of people killed. The poppies represent individuals.
Not as the Armed forces, which Hijacks remembrance day. Posturing as honourable along side politicians, when many of them are warmongers.
People like you bring politics into this. The military has every single right to be involved in remembrance day. To suggest they are hijacking it is simply absurd. The remaining veterans aren't forced to wear their berets and medals, and the Chelsea Pensioners aren't forced into uniform. They are the individuals that served, and they are proud of their military service. They have earnt the right to be, and the military has an absolute obligation to honour them.
Remembrance day to me is remembering the tragedy of war not honouring a death cult of military service.
How incredibly disrespectful and distasteful. You clearly have a hatred for the military. I see no point in trying to change your opinion but I fundamentally disagree. The people in the military are the military, and calling the military a death cult directly implies an awful lot of negative connotations towards British soldiers, including them being immoral cult followers.
Which is not a statement against those who choose to join the military
Yes it is.
we need soldiers
So you think their death cult followers but someone has to do it, right?
we should not blind ourselves with pride that they or the institutions behind them are infallible. In particular those who send men and women into war. The likes of Tony Blair for example. Who will stand in line with those as guilty.
Remembrance day has fuck all to do with Tony Blair or whatever political agenda it is you wish to attach to the day. It is to commemorate the END of WW1, and to reflect on the loss and horrors of conflict.
I doubt you bother to stand at all.
[–]OsLeanbh -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 57 分 前 (1子コメント)
I had not initially tried to compare the two installations. Though you interoperated it as such and actually I agreed. It is more thought provoking, subtle and dignified installation. Surrounding a tourist location with ceramic poppies is unimaginative. Its also conflicting as the location has an alternative history, intrenched in its own barbaric acts and oppression. One that clouds my perspective and others.
Fundamentally that is the intent of my initial comment. Our perspectives are different and I can respect if we disagree.
I do have a disliking of warmongers. And yes I do believe there are those that take the name of people who fought, honouring their death. Using them to influence others to support and join the military. Which I do not by default hate. There are many kinds who choose to join the military, some sucked in by the honour sold to them in this death cult, left in ruins or dead through the process. I do not think all soldiers are sucked into this. But I've known people who served who were.
Yes i see political agenda attached to it. I choose to distance from it. I am hesitant to absolve the British Government/military of their past crimes. I see politicians standing remembering the dead while being responsible for death themselves, it sickens me.
I doubt we will come to an agreement. But don't doubt my sincerity. I'll stand and remember. Those who fought for the British and those who fought against them. And if my disliking for the warmongers and perspective of how others choose to honour remembrance day bothers you, then so be it.
[–]AL85 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 23 分 前* (0子コメント)
It certainly does bother me when you state that those in the military are members of a death cult and make a number of false points. You aren't honouring remembrance day but insulting those being remembered. Marking out the route of a wall in Berlin is in no way more thoughtful than a sea of poppies filling the moat of a British castle, or infact in anyway relevant, relatable or comparable.
Also the Tower of London does not have an alternate history. History is linear. You can't just make ridiculous statements like that and expect your opinions to go unchallenged. In has different stages of history, and the medieval history of the Tower of London does not overshadow its history of the 19th century, nor was that history especially horrifying, horrendous or shameful. One thing high and mighty types with illusions of moral superiority like yourself love to do is judge previous ages using our advanced modern ethical standards as a benchmark to rubbish them. The Tower of London has huge significance in British military history. If you can't see past the medieval era when looking at the Tower of London then that's entirely on you, and not on the building of the memorial installation.
Yes i see political agenda attached to it.
Because you are attaching one. No one else feels a need to distance themselves from remembrance day because they don't see an agenda, your agenda, only you do. Everyone else can accept it as a day of remembrance. If you see rememberance day as the glorification of war then that is because you think that way, not everyone else.
I am hesitant to absolve the British Government/military of their past crimes. I see politicians standing remembering the dead while being responsible for death themselves, it sickens me.
Which has nothing to do with remembrance day. Once again only you are attaching that agenda to the day and to this installation, which is about nothing but marking the anniversary of the end of WW1 and remembering the dead. Also politicians are as welcome as anyone else to remember the war dead, as I am sure they, like most people, lost relatives in world wars. Whether or not politicians have or haven't made correct decisions or judgments in the past and blaming people has nothing to do with remembrance day.
[–]richardjohn(Whitechapel) 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 4 時間 前 (14子コメント)
I don't wear a poppy for many reasons; can't say I've been ostracised.
[–]peanut88 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I don't really know how people manage to feel persecuted for not wearing poppies given that it seems like the overwhelming majority don't.
Maybe if you show up at a Remembrance Sunday event without one people might notice, but I just played "spot the Poppy" on my 5 minute walk to lunch around Victoria and the ratio of non-wearers to wearers was at least 20:1. It's something I've noticed in London for years.
Maybe everyone else had theirs hidden under their coats.
[–]richardjohn(Whitechapel) 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah exactly. So many people don't wear them it's ridiculous to say that we're ostracised!
I can't think of a single person I know personally who wears one, and I just did a quick glance around the office and can't see any at work either.
[–]OsLeanbh 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You've currently been voted down [o points] for saying you don't wear a poppy? I guess someone is trying to ostracise you. Reddit is a silly place.
[–]hdah24South Weeeezy 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Why don't you wear a poppy? Not 'ostracising' you, but I do find it sad that you wouldn't.
[–]richardjohn(Whitechapel) -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (8子コメント)
I would have answered had you not pathetically said that you "find it sad". Personally I find it sad that you're so indoctrinated that you can't understand that people have differing opinions.
[–]hdah24South Weeeezy -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前* (7子コメント)
Wow. Your comment shocked me, how fucking dare you call me pathetic for simply asking you your opinion. What is your problem?!
I do find it sad, it saddens me, because the poppy represents a very sad period in our history that we should not forget.
It reminds me that it could have been me. It is a show of respect to my grandparents who fought in WWII, for my great grandparents who fought in WWI and for all those in my family who sacrificed so much so that I could have the life that I have today.
I find it disgusting that you would call me 'pathetic' and 'indoctrinated' for that. How have I been indoctrinated? Are you saying it's all lies?! How fucking dare you.
And how fucking dare you accuse me of not being able to understand differing opinions, when it's quite clear from your response that you're the one with that problem. I politely asked you to explain yours, demonstrating a clear willingness to understand different opinions.
So what the fuck is your problem?
[–]eastlondonmandemLeytonMandem -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前 (4子コメント)
You are joking right? This is like a parody of the worlds most offended man who goes round talking shit all day and then suddenly blows up the second he's pulled up on it.
[–]hdah24South Weeeezy 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Do you know me? How do I go around talking shit all day? I've never met you in my life.
I haven't been pulled up on anything, this is ridiculous. I asked the guy to explain his opinion, he called me pathetic, said I was indoctrinated and what am I meant to do? Just sit there like a bitch and take it?
Fuck that. What is wrong with you people.
[–]eastlondonmandemLeytonMandem -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I don't know you. But if you read my comment, I said "a parody of". I'm not saying you talk shit all day. I'm saying your comment is a parody of someone who does. Seriously my troll detector was on fire reading your comment.
Let me try and explain.
Why don't you wear a poppy? Not 'ostracising' you, *but I do find it sad that you wouldn't. *
You started off asking an innocent enough question. That's fine. But then you threw in the fact you find is sad, which is to say you are passing judgement on someone else for their decision which is offensive.
The problem is that you didn't ask a simple question. You made a judgement too.
The reason why I asked if you were joking because it's funny. You asked a shitty question and then got seriously shocked and offended when you got a shitty response back.
[–]hdah24South Weeeezy 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I'm not a troll!! Christ.
I should've clarified with 'sad', I meant emotionally sad. It saddens me. Not that he's sad as in pathetic - I'm not going to judge someone based off them simply stating an opinion. That's why I asked him why.
You didn't ask a simple question. You made a judgement too
Again, I didn't make a judgement, I meant 'sad' as in emotionally sad. But even so, do you think calling him sad would have warranted the response I got? Labelling me 'paethtic' and 'indoctrinated'?
I'm surprised i'm being got at here, he's he one who was completely rude and disproportionate.
[–]OsLeanbh -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
This could all be down to semantics and the interpretation of the word 'sad'.
Sad as in the emotional state? Or thinking /u/richardjohn to be sad, as in pathetic.
Its not clear from your initial comment. Regardless, you shouldn't be shocked.
[–]hdah24South Weeeezy -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前* (0子コメント)
I meant sad in the emotional state, although his reaction has led me to believe he's sad = pathetic too.
Why should I not be shocked? Sorry, thought police. Next time i'll react in the way that you tell me to /s
[–]OsLeanbh 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I plan on attending the Veterans for Peace event. I don't wear a red poppy, i have considered the white but it seems to just wind people up. Which I feel is, unfortunate. It represents my beliefs on remembrance, which I don't really feel the need to visibly share.
[–]philipwhiukChase (working nr Fenchurch Street) 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
A better poem is Dulce et Decorum est
[–]bookwench 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
As a former voluntary soldier (in the US Army), I love the "In Flanders Fields": poem. It holds meaning far beyond the actual, literal message for the single event and location. But I can see it would have a very different meaning for conscripted soldiers. You bring up a point which will make the poem a bit darker for me next reading.
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looks like the a torture chamber vomiting blood. Wonder how much this sentimentalisation of war and death cost, because the surrounding food banks are doing a roaring trade.
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