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ban reaganveg (primarily for transphobia) (self.metanarchism)

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First, if you don't understand that calling a trans person "it" is transphobic, you don't belong in this post.

Second, if you have any amount of faith in this process (and I don't), you will read this before voting:

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/transgender-man-detained-police-verify-gender/

Third, if we, as a whole, have cis people (who are ignorant to the relevant issue) voting on issues that concern trans people, how are we any different from the status quo? If you don't trust in the legitimacy of trans people overwhelming telling you that this is part of their oppression, why do you trust in the legitimacy of workers saying we need to abolish capitalism, or anarchists saying we need to abolish the state? Are you really opposed to the establishment or do you just want a new one in which you have more power?

As for the evidence:

http://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/2addom/ban_burtzev_for_misgendering_and_calling_stirner/ciuc495

Oppose. Banning a user for responding to such extreme provocation is totally out of proportion. And of course volcanoclosto is just feigning offense.

That is his response to a ban thread for burtzev calling stirner "it." in the eyes of reaganveg, one can be provoked to express transphobia. Some of the most transparent victim blaming I've ever seen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/1ybtp2/ban_thelatethagsimmons_for_transmisogyny/cfj3xkk

This is just about the dumbest conceptualization of "oppression" possible.

This is his response to a ban thread for thelatethagsimmons referring to volcano as "it."

The secondary evidence:

He posts in r/tia, a reactionary, transphobic shit hole with a lot of overlap with srssucks/mra/whiterights types

http://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/2kskin/can_we_like_ban_obvious_gamergaters/clpv6rr.compact

This is him with his usual concern trolling, but this time showing a very poor understanding of what anarchism is about. He compares political assassinations by anarchists, to misogyny expressed by gamers towards women perceived to be encroaching on their male space. Like, why is this dude even here?

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[–]SafetyJoe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I am undecided.

The primary evidence is two posts from 3 and 8 months ago. The 3-month old post has apparently already been voted on.

Among the secondary evidence, the much more recent post about assassinations is a completely clownish argument, but I'm not sure it's worth a ban.

[–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

How about him downplaying redpillers and dismissing PUA rape advice as "lying to women to get laid"?

[–]SafetyJoe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Could you post some examples?

[–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

dismissing PUA rape advice as "lying to women to get laid"?

You dishonestly make it seem like there was "PUA rape advice" at issue, and then I "dismissed it" by calling it "lying to women to get laid."

As opposed to what happened, which is that I referred to "lying to women to get laid," and then you called it "PUA rape advice."

[–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Among the secondary evidence, the much more recent post about assassinations is a completely clownish argument,

How is that a "clownish" argument?

[–]All-the-post-leftist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (90子コメント)

Abstain.

I will only support if stirner and volc are also banned for their too inflammatory and purposfully provocative post.

Neither actions should be tolerated at all.

[–]refusedzero 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I vote with All-the-post-leftists. volc and stirner are almost as detrimental to conversation as the transphobia they seek to crush.

[–]SafetyJoe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't stirner already banned?

[–]stirner_railed_dope -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, I'm always with you, comrades. ;3

[–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

topkek

antifa are the real fascists

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    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Some nazis in the comments for that big rally the other day in Germany literally said that, lol

    [–]boilerpunx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Some "anarchists" here say the same thing.

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Really?

    [–]All-the-post-leftist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Yeah. I'm not gonna be selective.

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Why do you think they are at all comparable?

    [–]All-the-post-leftist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    They aren't comperable and I never stated that.

    I'm saying I'm not going to tolerate abusive behaviour from anyone rather than be selective.

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Maybe we're talking past each other here, cause I feel like, when you bring up one thing as a condition for your vote on another.

    In any case, the comments made by burtzev and tlts, and the people who defended them, hurt us all, regardless of how you feel about volc and stirner. I'm not aware of them saying anything like that. Plus, stirner has been banned.

    [–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I agree reag's and burts comments are bullshit, never denied that one bit.

    I'm uncompromising however, and I say ban everyone and nuke the whole subreddit.

    [–]Indignantary 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Is it just me or are your comments getting bullshittier and less comprehensible as time goes on?

    [–]All-the-post-leftist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Sobriety!

    [–]Voltairinede -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Why don't you just leave

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    support

    [–]Voltairinede 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    lol

    ALPT went full reactionary.

    [–]volcanoclosto -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (36子コメント)

    get the fuck out you transmisogynist colonialist motherfucker

    edit: for reference atpl has defended and supported pipe_bomb who wrote "FUCK YOU"x50 to me in the ban thread for thelatethagsimmons

    believes reactionary/colonial shit that basically amounts to reverse racism

    but don't worry they are subverting masculinity!!

    [–]All-the-post-leftist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (35子コメント)

    Yeah I defended a youth who can be stupid, fuck me right for having that teacher mentality after eaching martial arts for like 5 years. My b breh

    And what colonialist shit do I believe?

    [–]volcanoclosto 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    yeah lol he straight up responded to a trans woman wanting mod that has long been abusive and violent towards trans women banned with "FUCK YOU"x50 but he "can be stupid" and yeah lol that's a great reason to speak over trans women and insist that that transmisogynist should become a fucking moderator because you "trust him".

    that piece of shit has not changed one bit so you can shove that "teacher mentality".

    get the fuck out, look at you right now saying that i should be banned if we want to ban a transmisogynist. when does transmisogyny class cover that? pipe and alookyaw better not miss it!!

    [–]Infamous_Harry -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (25子コメント)

    No, because NO ONE can ever changed their mind on something. EVERYONE is stuck in their opinions for the rest of their life, don't you know?

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (21子コメント)

    He's (pipe_bomb) pretty consistently been a shit, and apparently he listens to nazi music, so yeah.

    [–]Infamous_Harry 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    When you say nazi music...

    Also, what do you mean by being a shit? Like, transphobic or...?

    [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Straight-up, like nazi metal shit

    And sticking up for shitty people in general. TERFs.

    [–]Pipe_Bomb -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sorry for party rocking

    [–]shamefulamerica -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    up against the wall

    [–]Pipe_Bomb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    keep on throwing meaningless slogans dude

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      [–]All-the-post-leftist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I forgot everyone is static :/

      [–]Infamous_Harry -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Silly old you.

      [–]All-the-post-leftist -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I actually got called old tonight at a concert.

      I almost cried

      [–]shamefulamerica -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Pipe Bomb is our class enemy. Please don't side with them.

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        [–]Paczilla -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        i support this.

        [–]reaganveg -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

        Why should you not be banned for this? Have you not done exactly what I am now accused of doing?

        [–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

        I never claimed I shouldn't be, the magic of words friendo!

        [–]l1lll1l1lll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

        do you think you should be banned? why? :)

        [–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Never claimed I should be banned either!

        [–]l1lll1l1lll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

        then you didn't answer the question.

        Why should you not be banned for this? Have you not done exactly what I am now accused of doing?

        [–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Hey you, yeah you

        Do you see how much comment karma I have?

        Welll snitches get stitches

        [–]l1lll1l1lll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

        are those like song lyrics or something? i don't get what those words strung together have to do with the question.

        Why should you not be banned for this? Have you not done exactly what I am now accused of doing?

        [–]All-the-post-leftist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

        You don't get jokes do you....

        [–]l1lll1l1lll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        sometimes people have a hard time understanding humor. it doesn't mean that they're bad, just different. and that's okay! :)

        http://thepeoplesscience.forumbee.com/t/q4a2m

        Why should you not be banned for this? Have you not done exactly what I am now accused of doing?

        [–]Indignantary -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        LOL

        [–]BiggieAndTheMets 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (47子コメント)

        Are you proposing a ban from meta or @?

        Edit: Oppose, Since there are no examples of rv violating AOP in @.

        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (43子コメント)

        Both

        [–]BiggieAndTheMets 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (42子コメント)

        All of the evidence seems to be disagreements over votes in meta, tho

        [–]volcanoclosto -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lol how fucking liberal can someone get

        he is only bigoted in met@!! he shouldn't be banned from r/@ you fucking authoritarian!

        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (40子コメント)

        He's still a shitty transphobic concern troll.

        [–]BiggieAndTheMets 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (39子コメント)

        Do you have any links for posts in @?

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          [–]no_no_definitely_not 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Support-o-rama

          transphobia has no place in anarchist communities

          [–]l1lll1l1lll 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          redditor for 2 months

          hey /u/no_no_definitely_not, you have a very similar username and writing style to /u/GCU_Bad_For_Business, did you know that?

          both advocate violence and use a :] emoji. both are very new accounts, and both vote similarly here. pretty crazy coincidence huh?

          [–]exiledarizona 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (19子コメント)

          Absolutely not. Half of the people in this thread are not from around here, are sock puppets OR actually think that Reaganveg called someone "it." Which as per the evidence did not happen.

          If half of you put as much time as you do into this ridiculous bullshit you might actually get something done. With anarchy and with your lives as a whole. Many of you are the same caricature that you attack which is both sad and silly. People are fighting and dying around the world right now for anarchism. Against the state and capital. Being thrown in prison left and right. I don't see hardly any of you participating on the ground in direct struggle. In fact, I almost guarantee half of the ridiculous ass people in this thread don't do shit other than harass people who they feel like they can harass.

          When Reaganveg says that people are feigning outrage I in fact disagree. I think they are, for the most part seriously outraged. Outraged that someone who they are comfortable attacking did something they didn't like. Some of you need to get your shit together and stop pushing your outrage on people who it's safe to do so.

          What a joke.

          [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          I am above all of this, but I also feel the need to chime in because I'm so important. Hey guys don't forget that everything is insignificant unless you are literally dying

          Fuck off

          [–]-Enkara- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Have a picture of a cat

          [–]exiledarizona -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          Trans hating is not insignificant. Your petty bickering war is. And since you didn't understand, I am talking about people out there struggling for a better world. This right here, is not that. There's a lot you can do that is less than dying, and nobody should have to explain that isn't what I said. Your ignorance and confusion does not necessitate anybodies time. Get with it.

          [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Your worthless comments are attempting to obstruct something that is supposedly insignificant. Why? Why not leave it alone? Again, there would be no "petty bickering" (insulting af for a cis dudebros like yourself to frame it that way, but whatever. You're too cool to get into it, I understand) if it weren't for this fucking absurd process and people like you who get in the way of it.

          [–]exiledarizona -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          This absurd process is disruptive. The users who support this absurd process are disruptive. The history of radical organizing is full of examples of insignificant disruptions.

          Didn't you ever get taught about crying wolf?

          [–]reaganveg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Didn't you ever get taught about crying wolf?

          Thing is, when you've got the power to ban anyone who comes to disbelieve your wolf cries, it doesn't work like in Aesop.

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            [–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Your ignorance and confusion does not necessitate anybodies time. Get with it.

            LOL great cisplaining bro

            [–]volcanoclosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            why am I not surpised that this piece of shit transmisogynist copjacketing m'anarchist is here (which might I add was another person who ATPL kept supporting, supporting his copjacketing and shit).

            Fuck you, die cis scum.

            PS: 4 paragraphs without mentioning you're in greece? impessive.

            [–]exiledarizona -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You are such a loser. Your life most be horrific. You are the type of person that creates lies up about themselves but are too antisocial to get to the point of telling anybody about them. You love focusing on my location, like it's some sort of point. But really it's me talking about my lived experience on a message board.

            You have no lived experience. This is your life. Going totally insane over Reddit comments.

            [–]volcanoclosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            lol m'anarchism

            [–]ykmt_knpk 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Support.

            [–]Indignantary 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Support

            [–]volcanoclosto 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Support, he's an evopsy nerd and believes some of the most transmisogynistic shit ive heard in a long time. just see his posts on gender in r/tia

            total piece of shit reactionary that has been tolerated way too long. knows basically nothing about anarchism besides lightweight chomsky and is a long time impotent cisbro mafiosi

            [–]ifiasco 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            total piece of shit reactionary that has been tolerated way too long.

            Echoing for the hilarious irony.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Maybe if you don't know what irony or reactionary mean, tbh

            [–]RednBlackSalamander 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Oppose.

            [–]volcanoclosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            gasp, everyone is so surprised to see transphobic comic boy here

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            For the record, this dude is also a transphobic shithead. Totally weird how they would all oppose!

            [–]RednBlackSalamander 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            For the record, I've opposed every single ban except for obvious trolls, even if I don't agree with what they're saying.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Banning is opposed to Free SpeechTM unless you are an "obvious troll" in which case my religion gives me the go-ahead to ban.

            [–]shamefulamerica 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Support

            [–]BiggieAndTheMets 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            redditor for 19 hours

            This proposal is older than your new account

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (23子コメント)

            That is his response to a ban thread for burtzev calling stirner "it." in the eyes of reaganveg, one can be provoked to express transphobia. Some of the most transparent victim blaming I've ever seen.

            when your adversaries are anonymous, sometimes people will latch onto whatever bit of their identity they think will get their adversary's goat. i'm sure if rveg knew some of volc's other characteristics, they would have attacked those instead. ad hominems are not productive, but not banworthy.

            for example, volc likes to call me cis scum, even though they have no evidence to suggest that i'm cis. they've latched onto what they think they know about me, in order to get my goat. it's not a hatred of any class, they just don't know anything about me.

            oppose, obviously.

            [–]TheLibraryOfBabel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Can we ban this moron next?

            [–]spacetime_sundae 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Have you ever killed your ego with lsd?

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            :)

            [–]spacetime_sundae 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You're boring ( ._.)

            [–]burtzev -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Let's see now. In one day the person above has used the following blasphemous words: 'bitched', 'retarded' and 'moron'. One day !!! Hmmmm....weren't these mentioned as Trotskyist oppressive by some little (very little) Stalins here. Off to be 'educated' with him. So sad, but so funny.

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            would it blow your mind if i told you that bans are illusory? :)

            [–]volcanoclosto 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

            you seem to put a whole lot of energy into stopping something illusory

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            it's effortless, i promise. loving you is easy. :)

            [–]volcanoclosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            have you ever experienced ego death? did you resist it like you resist bans on bigots?

            [–]l1lll1l1lll 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            i'm sure on some level i resisted it, but it's really beautiful to know that death is an illusion, and that we're all fundamental parts of this amazing and infinite universe.

            so in that way, i'm going to continue loving you even after you're not you anymore! <3

            [–]volcanoclosto 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            why don't you see the beauty in banning bigots?

            [–]l1lll1l1lll 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            i see beauty in everything, banning is just not particularly productive as a personal growth exercise. i think we've had this talk before, but you never got back to me about what treatments for PTSD you've found to be effective. :)

            [–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            i want to hurt you, i see beauty in that

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Shut the fuck up and get out

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            take some deep breaths, chronic stress is bad for your health. :)

            [–]reaganveg -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            i'm sure if rveg knew some of volc's other characteristics, they would have attacked those instead. ad hominems are not productive, but not banworthy.

            What? There is no ad hominem, nor any attack by me, referenced here.

            [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            sorry, burt. the point being that reaching for ad hominem fodder is not the same thing as harboring bigoted views in general.

            [–]Hannibal_Lecturer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

            Oppose.

            First of all, there has been a ban thread for Reaganveg for this exact issue and the motion did not pass. This whole procedure is null, you can't continuously create ban threads until you get what you want.

            Secondly, the whole "it" issue is misrepresented as usual. My thoughts on the matter :

            I think it's useful to see the whole progression of the argument. The word was uttered when Burtzev was convinced that SSDope was a cis man. There are no implications of transphobia at this point. Stirner had the tendency of pointing out to users that they are misgendering them. If Burtzev thought that, after all, Stirner was a cis-man (the whole Bobby Black issue), he would be pointing out his tendency mockingly, with no intention of targeting a transsexual person. Then, he was called out by volc and gave the inanimate object explanation. I think that if anyone else called them out instead, (you know, someone who hasn't a history of using accusations of bigotry to get back at people they have beef with and a friend of the banned user SSdope) he would probably retract the statement altogether. Instead, Burtzev assumed that this was another attempt to use feigned concern as a weapon (just like Stirner was caught doing a couple of days before that).

            I guess that you are probably thinking that am approaching this with too much good faith but I think that's justified for someone with 4 years of presence in an anarchist space and who is a part of the movement for longer than many of us are alive. I don't see why he would go on an actual transphobic rant when it's against everything he believes in and is also pretty much the only way to get yourself banned.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

            That makes zero fucking sense. "why would an anarchist be transphobic lol?" I don't fucking know but being an anarchist doesn't stop tons of people being bigoted in myriad ways you ignorant shit. You don't know what you're talking about.

            [–]Hannibal_Lecturer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

            That would be a great response if my argument was "he can't be a misogynist, he is an anarchist!". Too bad it isn't.

            Once again, the arguments that you make are inversely proportional to the assholery that you display.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

            Go die you fucking tool. You're sitting here defending blatant transphobia and calling me an asshole. Go fuck yourself you worthless piece of shit. Transphobia kills, uppity trans people don't (unfortunately).

            [–]reaganveg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Go die you fucking tool

            What good is apologizing [1] if you're just going to keep on behaving the same way?

            [–]Hannibal_Lecturer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Go die you fucking tool.

            You misspelled "glad to see you back, based Hannibal!"

            [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            If it makes you feel any better... I'm a cis man who isn't especially informed on trans stuff (for lack of a better phrase). In other words, you think I'm a total piece of dogshit for reasons I don't understand. For unrelated reasons, I've been suicidal for a while. Probably going to slit my wrists tomorrow night (EST). I know there are better ways to do it, but I don't deserve a quick or painless death. If you're interested in watching, I can PM you a link to a private livestream. Tell your friends in the potent trans folk cabal. I wish I could give you a chance to kill me in person, but at least this way I still end up dead and you still get to watch.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            In other words, you think I'm a total piece of dogshit for reasons I don't understand.

            Ima stop you right there. That's not true. That's not what I said at all. And I'm fairly sure you understand that and are misrepresenting me on purpose.

            That said, please don't do it, call a hotline or someone you trust

            [–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            haha pwned

            cisgenocide strikes again

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Oh no you tricked me into spending a minute to make a sympathetic comment by pretending to be suicidal DDDDDDDDD:

            [–]-Enkara- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            LOL, you fell for it! Serves you right for being a decent human being!

            (Is pretending to be suicidal to win an argument really an appropriate tactic? It seems like that should be unacceptable IMHO, since it encourages people to not take suicide seriously.)

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            For real, tho I have a feeling the kind of person who would do that would be delighted if suicidal people weren't taken seriously

            [–]burtzev 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Unfortunately" eh ? Another day, another 50 meaningless threats.

            [–]themindset 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Support. I'm sick of their endless pseudo-intellectual interference.

            [–]-Enkara- -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Support, misgendering Trans people is essentially a slur. (And calling a Trans person "it" dehumanizes all of us.)

            From a grammatical perspective (totally different contexts and historical fucked uppedness for sure) is akin to calling a black man "boy", in that it's not an obvious bad word in other contexts, but most normal not-horrible people recognize how fucked up it is in this specific context.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yup, he actually tried to dismiss the transphobia in it by pointing to a passage from a tale of two cities where a kid is referred to as "it"

            yeah...

            I can't decide if that is more absurd, or the nlb2 dude who used to post here citing the Addams family for the same reason, because of the character whose name is "itt"

            [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yup, he actually tried to dismiss the transphobia in it by pointing to a passage from a tale of two cities where a kid is referred to as "it"

            Nope.

            [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Therefore, ban anyone who votes against banning burtzev?

            You failed to even draw the conclusion.

            [–]-Enkara- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You failed to even draw the conclusion.

            Or perhaps you are being intentionally dense.

            In conclusion, folks who don't take transphobic bullshit seriously are enemies to anarchism.

            [–]reaganveg -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nope, not dense. I know you're making a deliberate error. You argue against the wrong thing, as if to impute that thing on me.

            [–]burtzev -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

            Oppose.

            [–]Scoobyjew25 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Care to share why? I'm not trying to start anything, and I haven't even read the links, I'm just genuinely curious.

            [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Because he's one of the transphobes who thinks it's perfectly fine to call trans people "it"

            [–]burtzev 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Because there's world out there beyond a closed circle of 15 people max. That world just might consider things like death threats, fraud, slander, forgery, persistent harassment and calls for genocide a tiny, tiny, tiny bit more 'serious' than pronouns. That, however, is not how some may see it. Speaking of "see" I wonder how some people without a visible capacity for shame would react if this sort of nonsense was exposed to public view. There's something called "morality" beyond the ability to parrot slogans.

            [–]-Enkara- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Yah true, fictional genocide in response to literal transphobia, is way worse than literal transphobia. /s

            [–]burtzev 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Actually most/all of your 'great crusades', both good and bad, are imaginary. You really operate under the delusion that you are great warriors by being abusive on the internet. It's victory after victory in your dream world. I hereby award you an imaginary Order of Lenin. Pin it on with an imaginary pin on your imaginary shirt and wear it with pride. Some people value their dream world more than the real one.

            [–]-Enkara- -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Lol

            [–]burtzev -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'll take a wild guess and say that isn't an imaginary laugh. The problem is too many echoes because the little world is so small.

            [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Calls for genocide" != "fictional genocide"

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              [–]Paczilla -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (67子コメント)

              Third, if we, as a whole, have cis people (who are ignorant to the relevant issue)

              ALL CIS PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE CIS. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE A TRANS-HATING MISOGYNIST LIBERAL REACTIONARY CONCERNTROLLING CIS LOVING SHITLORD.

              WE SHOULD BAN EVERYONE WHO IS CIS, WHY CAN'T THEY JUST BE TRANS? FUCKING STRAIGHT SHITLORDS!!1

              CIS PEOPLE CAN'T BE ANARCHISTS, THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OPPRESSION, FUCKING CIS SCUM.

              Meta, you're a fucking joke, not just any kind of joke, your a long dragged out joke with a shitty punchline that blind deaf people can see a mile away. Your an embarrassment to the anarchist community online and offline.

              [–]volcanoclosto 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              LOL

              [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (60子コメント)

              uh...

              Do you think capitalists should get to decide conditions for their workers?

              [–]Paczilla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (59子コメント)

              Do you think capitalists should get to decide conditions for their workers?

              Square nipples make me dance.

              That has about as much relevance as what you just asked.

              [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (58子コメント)

              Workers are oppressed by capitalists

              Trans people are oppressed by cis people

              jfc this is exactly what I was commenting on, and what you ranted about. No shit cis people are ignorant of trans issues. They aren't fucking trans.

              I'm white. If people of color on here overwhelmingly say something is racist, I'm, at the very least, not going to oppose their effort to remove it, and hopefully I will listen and educate myself. Because I'm not a fuckin asshole.

              [–]Paczilla 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (57子コメント)

              So every trans person on this sub has come out and complained about reaganveg for their supposed overwhelming transphobic comments instead of you just digging through their comment history desperately looking for anything to fit your narrative that they are blatantly tranapobic all the time and having your clique come out and support you?

              You would think, and maybe this is just fucking me, that if they really were as bad as you say, there would be overwhelming support to have them fucking banned, and not just the usual people who come out like you and your buddies.

              Not like it matters anyway, this entire sub doesn't do anything useful anyway because of pansy ass "Oh that hurts my feelings" fuckers like you complain about any little fucking comment.

              And you get to do it too, and people will take you seriously, because your a special little fucking snowflake and the rules don't apply to your group, you get to be treated special and anyone who says anything dissenting toward you is immediately put down as whatever you decide to call them that day over and over and over and over. And then when your side tell people they should kill themselves and harass people, no one does shit, because your group are special fucking snowflakes who can do no fucking wrong.

              There can be no reasonable discussion, those are either spammed by your clique, socks, or volcanoclosto. Over and over and over and over, nothing gets done by any side other than yours. And then when you side makes a proposal, it gets fucking done, even when the community don't come to a consensus on the issue, like we are supposed to.

              THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS FUCKED! THIS ENTIRE PLACE IS A GIANT SHIT FLINGING CONTEST WHERE THOSE WILLING TO STEP THE LOWEST AND HARASS THE DISSENTERS OUT WIN, AND YOU HAVE. The only ones left are the people too stubborn to let your side just control everything. and you're trying to take them out, one by one. Your side survives by constant harassment, constant buzzword spewing, constant bullshit, constant socks , corrupt mods, and having the great ability to label anyone who disagree with you as doing solely based on your gender/sexual preference even when they are opposing you because you and your group constantly harass people and fucked up this sub and the main.

              [–]Hannibal_Lecturer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              word.

              [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (55子コメント)

              Psst, the status quo of empowering cis people over trans people is reflected here and is why there isn't overwhelming support to ban transphobes, jfc. I don't even know what you want to talk about because you've changed the subject from what you originally took issue with, but of course it's us uppity trans people harassing everyone into submission.

              Come up with something coherent or go away.

              [–]Paczilla 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (52子コメント)

              the status quo of empowering cis people over trans people

              NOT HERE IT ISN'T. YOU AND YOUR CLIQUE ARE A PROTECTED CLASS, OPPOSITION TO YOU HERE IS LIKE PAINTING A BULLSEYE ON YOUR FOREHEAD, STEPPING OUT INTO A SNIPER FIELD, AND CALLING ALL THE SNIPERS MOTHERS FAT WHORES.

              There is a bigger problem here, and you and your group are it, you have enough people to stop anything productive here and you and your group are willing to step to lows of making multiple socks accounts to not only rigg votes (And don't even try to lie out of this, i've got proof from the admins that most accounts of your clique can be traced to one ip address) and present your vocal minorities narrative, but to also harass people into either just leaving or creating such a hostile environment that new people who oppose you and your bullshit leave because they don't wanna deal with the constant harassment, or they grab a bowl of popcorn and sit and watch your bullshit.

              And you get away with it because you have just enough people to block and oppose everyone else, and you have mods on your side who are willing to bann your opposition without the community's consent, willing to not enforce other banns your group doesn't want, willing to remove content asking people to look at your steaming pile of bullshit, and you can just downplay the rest of them by calling them whatever fucking buzzword you happen to choose that day.

              [–]boilerpunx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (29子コメント)

              Post the proof

              [–]Paczilla 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (28子コメント)

              OKIE DOKIE

              If you're wondering why some of it is blacked out, that is because its sensitive information that im still looking into.

              [–]boilerpunx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (26子コメント)

              So, according to this, volcano, the "leader" of this supposed clique has no involvement. And "seem to have a few connections" implies that there was more than one IP address. So basically your own proof disproves your assertions.

              [–]volcanoclosto -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              LOL ok gumshoe paczilla

              [–]volcanoclosto -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              lol can someone please take out the trash already

              [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              try again pls

              (or dont)

              [–]Paczilla 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              I love it when you all can't think of anything to say and just stick to 10 words or less. It makes me smile. Because it makes me know that you know you're full of your own shit, your so full of it its coming out of every orifice, like a constant stream of brown goop sludge just falling out of your ears. It also means that other people can see it too, and when enough people see it you're eventually gonna have enough position that your little clique can't run free anymore. It's coming someday soon too, and your army of fucking socks and buzzwords won't help you then.

              [–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              i love it when you spend your time typing a whole wall of nonsense and i just go lol

              [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              buzzwordsTM

              [–]-Enkara- -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              What buzzwords?

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                [–]boilerpunx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                He mad.

                [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                C:

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                  [–]RednBlackSalamander -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  You're insulting young people, and people who have to work long hours instead of going to bed. Ban for ageism, classism, and sleepism.

                  [–]-Enkara- -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  You're insulting young people, and people who have to work long hours instead of going to bed. Ban for ageism, classism, and sleepism.

                  False equivalence, actually. You are trying to conflate ridiculous examples of supposed ageism, classism and "sleepism" (whatever the fuck that is) with actual transphobia in a seemingly humorous manner. In actuality you are trying to attack folks who actually take transphobia seriously by painting them in a ridiculous light, ready to use the banner of comedy as a shield whenever someone calls you out on your shit.

                  In other words, this is your usual MO.

                  In conclusion, grow the fuck up and get some sleep.

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                    [–]TheLibraryOfBabel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Support

                    [–]Paczilla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oppose

                    [–][削除されました]  (8子コメント)

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                      [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      redditor for 29 days

                      hey /u/GCU_Bad_For_Business, you have a very similar username and writing style to /u/no_no_definitely_not, did you know that?

                      both advocate violence and use a :] emoji. both are very new accounts, and both vote similarly here. pretty crazy coincidence huh?

                      [–]GCU_Bad_For_Business 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      You must have said something bigoted at some point, because I have you ignored. So don't bother replying to me, I won't be able to read it.

                      [–]burtzev -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thanks Hippy Guy. I never noticed the excess hyphenation before. Another item to add to the checklist. It's getting longer and longer. Some actors shouldn't be left to their own 'creative' devices. The problem for the boys in the office is that real creative sneak dilutes the purpose in a sea of normal sounding posts.

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                        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        [–]emma-_______ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        support

                        [–]TipsFlatcap 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Support

                        [–]dirkson -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        *blows the dust off your evidence* Goodness! That's quite old. Seems like a bunch of nasty behavior all around.

                        Curious, though, that it's a problem now, but wasn't when it was fresh. That seems odd. More like a fishing expidition than a response to a problem.

                        I like fishing. Very relaxing sport. Didn't know we did it around here.

                        Also seems odd to conflate tumblrinaction, srssucks, mra, and whiterights. First two probably have a fair bit of overlap, but the rest seem pretty unrelated.

                        But hey, don't let me get in the way of the thought police! Have fun, all! I'm sure you'll eventually be able able to go entire minutes without hearing something you disagee with if you keep up the brisk ban schedule!

                        Cheers!

                        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/2hqmv8/rtumblrinaction_drilldown_september_2014/

                        http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditAnalysis/comments/2i3bjk/rwhiterights_drilldown_october_2014/

                        oops!

                        cheers!

                        [–]dirkson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I sat down and took a look at these, but I couldn't really come to much of a determination one way or the other. Separating out the signal from the random noise is hard, and I'm not convinced that either of the methodologies used here does the trick.

                        Sort of tangentially related, but I'd be curious to see a count that took number-of-posts into effect too. The current 'similarity' score counts 2 positive comments by one user on two subreddits for exactly the same similarity as 2,000 positive comments.

                        Anyway, they're interesting links, for sure. Ended up studying them for at least an hour. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

                        [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        whiterights doesn't even appear on the "tumblrinaction drilldown."

                        (Not even to get into the fact that you failed to explain what these numbers are supposed to show or how.)

                        [–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        mrm does, and tia does appear in whiterights'

                        cheers!

                        [–]reaganveg -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        No, it doesn't even appear in the "similarity" score. It has less similarity, according to whatever method is being used, than /r/worldpolitics (bottom entry in the table -- least similarity).

                        The "overlapping users" count seems to show that 56 users who posted in /r/whiterights also posted in /r/tumblrinaction, out of a total of 12160 users who posted in /r/tumblrinaction.

                        56/12160 = 0.46%

                        [–]darlantan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Vote of no confidence. Again. For the same fucking reasons as always.

                        [–]APartOfSomething -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                        Be as correct as you want, if it ain't effective it doesn't matter. These ban threads are silly, and make this sub silly.

                        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                        why?

                        [–]APartOfSomething 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                        What is the purpose of /r/anarchism? Why do we feel like this should be anything other than a place to post anarchist propaganda and news? This is not a venue to implement anarchist management schemes, it cant be. People can make sockpuppets, and the moderation tools are geared to handle a certain sort of management. This cant be a safe space and it cant be a liberatory space and trying to shoehorn a consensus process in here and run it like an infoshop is just so futile. Further, it is not an effective way to use this tool.

                        It is a tool, not a community. Moderation needs to efficiently get rid of trolls and spam. That's it. These battles are ridiculous. Use the downvote system, and focus on getting quality content visible, and shitty content buried.

                        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                        Transphobia is directly opposed to anarchist propaganda and discussion. What kind of tool would this be if we just allowed it? I've resorted to moderation because down votes and discussion haven't worked.

                        Months ago, there were several open, blatant TERFs who would post here. After absurd amounts of effort (due to ignorant-ass cis people) they were banned and either have up on coming back or have toned it down. I'd say that's effective. Definitely not ideal, but effective.

                        [–]APartOfSomething -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                        Do I think reaganveg has garbage gender politics and a problem with sensitivity? Yes. Do I think they are virulenty transphobic? No. This is part of an ongoing flamewar and you all need to cut it the fuck out and grow up.

                        [–]boilerpunx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                        Is ignoring garbage gender politics and a problem with sensitivity that they make no effort to change part of growing up? Is it any less transphobic because it's not virulent? Covert bigotry is worse in my opinion, because it's easier to dismiss and apologize for.

                        [–]APartOfSomething -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        Where did I say we should ignore it? Most people have garbage politics. Dont even get me started on all the classist shit that gets thrown around here. Your job is to do better and change minds, not to purify your little island.

                        Sure we should ban outright reactionaries. But this thread is absurd.

                        [–]boilerpunx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        He contributes nothing but garbage politics though. Every comment is an attempt to out convolute everyone within range. Not only does he have garbage politics, he tries to spread them as far as possible, and does his absolute best to prevent the removal of actual reactionaries. What good does his presence serve? The difference between regan and your run of the mill troll, is that the garbage of his politics has been brought to his attention several times, by several people. He doesn't even take notice, just spouts some pseudo-philosophy and carries on unbothered. If our job is to do better, we can start by getting rid of people who only exist to make that job harder

                        [–]reaganveg -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Now you're just making shit up.

                        [–]volcanoclosto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Now

                        So you admit to everything else?

                        [–]volcanoclosto -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        lol your job

                        get the fuck out you disgusting leftist

                        [–]APartOfSomething 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        http://i.imgur.com/Mbar2.gif

                        [–]l1lll1l1lll -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        The project RetroRig, a project that automates setting up a retro gaming console, is looking for help adding support for Fedora, Arch, and other distros. Any help is appreciated. by Two-Tone-in linux

                        [–]volcanoclosto 1 point 10 hours ago

                        I've been checking up on this every once in a while. been thinking of setting up an entertainment center using this and universal media server to stream to other devices.

                        what would really be cool is wiiu gamepad support (using libdrc) you could use it to play games (even streaming the video to the gamepad), control the tv using its IR capabilities and use it to browse your library/make playlists and use it to control media

                        been wondering what a good base distro for something like this is. haven't tried openelec because it doesn't support being virtualized.

                        [–]volcanoclosto 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        OK? Do you stalk more people or just me?

                        [–]boilerpunx -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Support. For this, and the same reason as u/themindset.

                        [–]Voltairinede -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        yes please

                        [–]WrenBoy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Are you really opposed to the establishment or do you just want a new one in which you have more power?

                        Says the ban brigade. Oppose.

                        [–]ihateusernamesalot[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Apparently anarchy means dismissing transphobia because no rools

                        [–]Vindalfr -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Support.

                        [–]numandina -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Support. I like reaganveg they once talked to me and explained stuff when everyone else downvoted me and dismissed me as fascist but I like ihateusernamesalot more. I don't give a shit about the reasons involved I'm basing this on personal user merit.

                        [–]reaganveg -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Actual trolls are OK here, but disagreement, oh no!

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                          [–]l1lll1l1lll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          L1LLL1L1L11 an hour ago

                          Support

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