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Steve Jobs unintentionally outlines the reason behind Apple's future demise (youtu.be)

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[–]happiness_vampire 2300 ポイント2301 ポイント  (322子コメント)

Agree with the premise of the title or not, this is definitely an interesting bit of insight.

[–]Nu5ZCa 395 ポイント396 ポイント  (66子コメント)

The Innovator's Dillemma

[–]ilouiei 374 ポイント375 ポイント  (37子コメント)

'I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.'

[–]CochMaestro 523 ポイント524 ポイント  (26子コメント)

"..and then I get blindsided into the boards by Bryan Bickell..."

[–]djlateralus 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (3子コメント)

KRONWALLED

[–]CraineTwo 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (5子コメント)

In this analogy, Bickell is the Google of hockey players.

[–]iamthesheriff 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hockey talk on a big sub? Fuck yeah

[–]tamarockstar 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Blues fan here. Fuck you, hard.

[–]Totschlag 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HONK HONK HONK!

[–]itsalwaysbeen 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man. Ott is fucking batshit. BDB ain't that bad.

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      [–]karmaghost 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      "You are defeated! Instead of shooting where I was, you should have shot at where I was going to be!"

      [–]CanofLag 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I always handed my brother the controller at that part.

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          [–]bobwinters 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          This reminds me of the Oculus Rift. Maybe that's the new TV that customers will want, but don't know it yet.

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            [–]Capcombric 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (108子コメント)

            I think it's interesting that with Microsoft, who at one point had something like a 97% market share on OS with Windows, this has yet to happen. They get criticized a lot for some of the changes they make but still they try to keep innovating.

            MS Office, on the other hand, which also has market dominance, is a perfect example of what Jobs is talking about. So Microsoft sort of exemplifies both sides of it.

            [–]Electrorocket 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (31子コメント)

            IE for a long time too.

            [–]Capcombric 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (27子コメント)

            True. Why update your browser when it comes pre-loaded into the most used OS in the world? It's going to be on top no matter what you do.

            Although the new IE is pretty nice.

            [–]AzulRaad 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (18子コメント)

            Although the new IE is pretty nice.

            But is the new IE nice because Microsoft wanted to innovate? I don't think so.

            The new IE is nice because Microsoft finally realized that people gave a shit when they started to see majority of web users switch over to competing web browsers.

            Sure, Microsoft will probably keep up with the rest of the web feature-wise now. But whatever the next "big thing" is they won't -- they'll wait until it's proven to be a viable market option: and then they'll try to follow what everyone else has already done.

            TL;DR: I don't think MS is innovative; they wait for others to innovate and then copy.

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                [–]BearlyBreathing 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (50子コメント)

                Well, if you look at Windows from 95 to at least Vista I'd say it applies reasonably well. In that whole line of products over a decade long there was very little innovation outside of what the customer seemed to want at the present. In fact, Windows 8 only recently represented a truly radical departure from past products, but that has been fueled by a tangible sense of the company's bread and butter, desktop and laptop PCs, beginning to disappear as people's primary computer devices.

                That's not to say that Windows did not vastly improve between 95 and Win 7, it definitely did, but it happened very slowly and was never all the innovative, just incremental.

                [–]frogger2504 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (41子コメント)

                I feel like an OS doesn't really need innovation though. An OS is not a tool. It is a platform for accessing other tools. Sure, make it faster and nicer to look at, but innovation isn't really needed. It does it's job.

                [–]BearlyBreathing 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                Given many of the nightmares I've had to deal with over the years trying to run desktop Linux precisely because some open source group insists on reinventing the wheel, I am inclined to agree with you up to a point. Innovation for innovations sake is not a virtue in the OS space.

                Still, Windows remained dreadfully inelegant throughout the years in a way which seems almost inexcusable. A big part of why there was ever even a place for Macs is precisely because Windows has been notoriously unuser-friendly. I remember the first time I really sat down and spent some time playing with a Mac (though I have never owned one), and I found it almost unusable because everything was so simple by comparison. My Microsoft trained brain kept looking for the hoops to jump through. That, to me, says that there was a lot of room for improvement on the Windows side of things which was just being ignored for whatever reason.

                [–]hrkristian 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                On the other side of the coin is me, who when using my girlfriend's Mac throw a fit over how mindboggingly stupid their OS is.

                I'm an Arch Linux/GNOME Shell user.

                Windows have got hoops to jump through that sometimes don't even make sense, like when they added the Network and Sharing center, which only served to add one more step to any configuration task without providing any meaningful info in return.
                But OS-X, my god, that shit makes me outright furious. Simple, sure, but in that word less the awful truth. If you're simple you suck at complex tasks whether you're a person or a machine.

                [–]figureeight 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                If you're simple you suck at complex tasks whether you're a person or a machine.

                But you can be excellent at the simple tasks the majority of people do. OSX (it can be said for iOS too) does an amazing job at the simple tasks most people tend to do now. Of course as you said though it is horrible for complex tasks along with the occasional simple task.

                I installed OSX 10.9 in a VM a few days ago to get some time with it after not using OSX in years.

                How the hell do you access the optical drive? After 10 minutes of searching... it does not display in finder until you manually set it do to the "simplicity" of having a window automatically pop up when a disc is inserted.

                It feels like as a user you have less control over your machine, and that's frustrating if you want to do more than simple tasks.

                [–]clanmcbadass 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                You have just accurately summarized my initial reaction to the OS X. I simply hated it, and could not fathom why people were going gaga after such weird design.

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                            [–]philalether 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (61子コメント)

                            Insightful, yes. Describes apple? No. Apple is not a monopoly in any of its markets.

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                              [–]grammar_oligarch 1841 ポイント1842 ポイント  (165子コメント)

                              Happening in academia right now. Marketing guys and business execs get put in charge of a college, and they have no clue how to run the place, so they run it like a business...which doesn't work well for educating students since the students are not the customers -- the students are the product produced for the community (who should technically be the customers and paying for the educated students).

                              So now we're seeing a dramatic decline in the quality of education provided, and the quality of student produced.

                              [–]moammarghadafi 223 ポイント224 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                              Schools won't even hire long-term faculty anymore. All the new professors are adjuncts that have to work other jobs just to be able to teach. I get so furious about this. My college is one of the schools that's wrecking the higher education system.

                              We have more than ten vice presidents that are all admin. They all get salaries and center the school's decisions around its marketing.

                              [–]tpwoods28 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              Same thing's happening here in the UK. At my university the vice chancellor gets a ridiculous salary, while also being director of pharmaceuticals at AstraZeneca and pulling in a massive salary for that. The last independent business on campus has been pushed off for another Starbucks, staff pay is shrinking and job security, especially for PHD students who also teach, is abysmal. To hide their use of staff on zero-hour contracts they go through subcontractors, and all while the university is sitting on a massive reserve of cash that it will likely just use for yet another vanity project. Not to mention it's likely tuition fees will rise yet again in the coming years.

                              It's the corporatization of higher education, plain and simple. Students aren't students anymore, we're customers - shit, I can't remember the last time I was on campus and some company didn't try to sell me something. They've even started letting companies set up sales stands actually inside the students' union.

                              [–]chremon 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Manchester? I went to uni of Surrey and more or less the same thing is happening there. What irks me the most is our student union are more interested in filling their CVs and organising trips for themselves rather than being a dissenting voice in the undercutting of education and academia.

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                                [–]loudona 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                10 Vice presidents! That sounds outrageous.

                                [–]Jyounya 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                The company I work for hands out VP and director titles as if they want the entire workforce to be be VP's and directors. We have a corporate office with 110 employees, out of those we have 10+ VP's, and about 15 directors and 15 managers. Our stocks have fallen from (going public 2 years ago) $9.50 to to $0.35. The stocks split to 6.00$ a couple of months ago and now were back down to $2.80 a share. Some of these VP's and Directors can't tell you what our products are designed to do.

                                [–]major_space 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I feel like your boss likely has pointy hair.

                                [–]AllDepressedChips 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                At my job white hard hats meant you mgmt (highest ranking, you had an office if you had a white hat) in my time there I watched it go from 1 white hat to 14. Then you have the step down from that (middle mgmt) and they got the yellow hard hats, there were 9 of these guys, you didn't get an office that this point but you had just as much pull as the white hard hats and probably did less work because you just get the guys like me to do the work. I had a blue hard hat with a sticker that meant I was a crew leader there were also 9 of us, what the fuck did that mean? Well I had my own cart full of tools, I was the red cart. Then below that you had normal blue hats and then green hats which were guys still on probation.

                                We had less than 70 people working for the whole company including the owners.

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                                      [–]F0xtr0tUnif0rm 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      I got my law degree from Costco.

                                      [–]digitalixus 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Just curious to know, but did you share it with friends or what did you do with the other degrees that came in the 12 pack?

                                      [–]wag3slav3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      From the kiosk by the time machine?

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                                        [–]StreetfighterXD 588 ポイント589 ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                        students are not the customers, students are the product which is provided for the community who pay for it

                                        Holy shit, I never thought of it that way. +1

                                        [–]cal_student37 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        Not necessarily a good thing. Makes me think of Mario Savio's famous speech:

                                        We were told the following: If President Kerr actually tried to get something more liberal out of the regents in his telephone conversation, why didn't he make some public statement to that effect? And the answer we received, from a well-meaning liberal, was the following: He said, 'Would you ever imagine the manager of a firm making a statement publicly in opposition to his board of directors?' That's the answer!

                                        Well, I ask you to consider: If this is a firm, and if the board of regents are the board of directors; and if President Kerr in fact is the manager; then I'll tell you something. The faculty are a bunch of employees, and we're the raw material! But we're a bunch of raw materials that don't mean to be—have any process upon us. Don't mean to be made into any product. Don't mean… Don't mean to end up being bought by some clients of the University, be they the government, be they industry, be they organized labor, be they anyone! We're human beings!

                                        There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!

                                        [–]The_Price_I_Pay 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        I upvoted you for the awesome quote, but I don't think it means quite what you think it means if you're using it to dispute grammar_oligarch's statement.

                                        [–]cal_student37 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I mean that looking at students as products or customers, either way, is not a good thing. Students (should) have an equitable stake with an academic institution just as the faculty or admin. What I'm saying (and interpreting Savio to say) is that students shouldn't just be products in the first place, just as the faculty shouldn't just be employees. Both bodies provide dynamic input into the University as a whole. It's not a good paradigm to look at students as just as products who will be bought up by society ("bought by some clients of the University, be they the government, be they industry, be they organized labor, be they anyone! We're human beings!")

                                        [–]ycnegreme 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I don't believe it's that completely - though it plays a huge role. Somehow the schools are not looking out for the best long-term interests of the students. For some stupid reasons people are more interested in short term profits and money in their pocket NOW. Few people are willing to soldier on and look at the larger picture.

                                        I remember hearing stories of (from my uni, I'm ashamed) how one of the finance people gave themselves a bonus because they managed to save the school money. How did they save money? By taking out a loan on something that historically was paid in cash for the freshmen.

                                        So yea, in the short term you're making a profit. In the long term you're screwing everyone over because the wrong thing are being rewarded and prioritized.

                                        The same is happening in government. In general it appears the government is more interested in providing tax break to companies that hold no loyalty to the area that provides them the tax breaks - instead of developing the local infrastructure for public services / utilities, etc.

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                                            [–]SWATtheory 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                            I actually have only heard this brought up that way somewhat similar once, but in a more negative light:

                                            I graduated with my criminology degree after being run through what was pretty much the same curriculum on repeat for four years, minus the 4th year internship. I figured at that point it was probably being made easy to get people through, no biggy. I didn't think a program designed just to get students through a criminal justice program was a big deal, since we go through the academy anyway.

                                            Then my sister started.

                                            My sister is in the nursing program at the same school and is damn near top of the class. She complained to me that a lot of the students who are fucking up the basics (for example, shaking penicillin instead of rolling it, failing basics as simple as the CPR steps, etc), and asked her professor from a previous year how some of these students are getting by.

                                            She told my sister this wonderful statement that terrifies me of our future health professionals:

                                            "They're paying for a degree, and we're told to give them what they're paying for."

                                            "But [other student, we're gonna call her Tonya] failed the final and mid term, didn't do any of the online tests, and laughed about passing with a B? Grades aside, what happens when she has to treat somebody and has no clue what to do?"

                                            "Well, our business is getting them through. Sucks for the hospital that hired her I guess."

                                            [–]compounding 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            You know the old joke about the person who was last in the class at medical school, right?

                                            You know what they’re called?

                                            Doctor.

                                            [–]Morialkar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            That´s a perfect example of administration seeing student as customer not products, the customer pays for his product (the diploma) so we must provide him with the same product as every other customer no matter what...

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                                                [–]DestroyerofworldsETC 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                Is that why these asshats are bloating enrollments and getting rid of tenure and not trying to attract and keep quality educators?

                                                I am lucky to have many incredibly dedicated and brilliant professors at my community college but the way the administration is and from the things I am hearing they are wearing the good ones really thin.

                                                [–]BearlyBreathing 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                They are making sure to destroy most young, dedicated professors by condemning them to a purgatory of adjunct work with little stability, worse pay, and an uncertain future. I personally know would be career educators seeking work in insurance (insurance) among other places just because they want to start families and just can't afford it on a teacher's salary.

                                                Every year hundreds of applications pour in for just a handful of permanent faculty positions while more and more adjuncts and "visiting" professors take their turn at the heads of classrooms. One can imagine how many of those applicants will have not just the fortitude to keep applying year after year but also the good fortune to finally win that lottery. How many great educators, without the luxury of outside support required to spend years seeking permanent employment in their field, are sent off to toil at some desk for the rest of their lives, calculating interest rates or fielding service calls?

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                                                  [–]untildeath 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  Yup, when I get rehired or fired based on student evaluations which, in turn, are heavily influenced by how easy the course is and how much I inflate grades, guess what I'm going to do. A former colleague wouldn't bend to student will and maintained high expectations which (sadly) is why he is a former colleague.

                                                  [–]travisgriggs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I have analyzed hundreds of thousands of student teacher evaluations through FoIA research.

                                                  I have yet to see a university which actually weighs student evaluations heavily in its rating of teacher performance. Faculty usually assume that they do, but the dirty little secret is that student evaluations are almost all positive, and no one pays any attention to them.

                                                  [–]MrMooMooDandy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  On the other hand it's nice that you work at an institution where they ostensibly still care about teaching. At least where I am (engineering field at a major public research university) it's all about how much money you bring in. You could be the most horrible new assistant professor and if you can still manage to bring in 3-4 million in grants before you come up for associate professor, you're golden.

                                                  By contrast, you could be beloved year after year by your students for the passion in your teaching and the inspiration you impart upon them but if you only brought in 1-2 million in those first few years, hit the bricks, pal.

                                                  Some of my favorite professors in the department have never been particularly prolific researchers. They love to teach and they love to work with students in whatever capacity they can. They got their foot in the door back in the 60s and 70s when the culture of academia was completely different.

                                                  [–]GeneticsGuy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  This is so very very very true... I did a double degree in Molecular and Cellular Biology and Computer Science, and now a graduate student, but the incredible decline in the quality of the education at the undergraduate level is mind-boggling. Aside from some core science classes, like Chemistry and Physics and Biology, almost all of my undergrad classes my first 2 years were taught by Graduate students, some barely with a 4 year degree. Hell, when I was a Senior, I was teaching an undergrad Bio Lab with Freshman/Sophomores as an undergrad myself.

                                                  And, for the few classes that did have professors they were like the mega-auditorium 1000+ student classes.

                                                  It was really unfortunate... Then, I go to my College of Science heads and meet with all the business staff there and you find out the vast majority of them are Business school graduates who are trying to figure out "How can I make my department more profitable." How do they usually figure it out? Make bigger classrooms! Appeal more broadly to more Freshman through marketing! Mandate the grant/paper publishing culture of graduate school to be even worse than it already is! The worst, get more international students or out-of-state students than in-state because they have to pay more to attend the university, which means more money to them!

                                                  [–]notabaggins 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  witnessing this process firsthand as an about-to-graduate undergrad senior makes me never want to go back to school, which sucks.

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                                                      [–]Drahos 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                      I feel like RIM with Blackberry did this whole cycle in a shorter period of time too. They had the smart phone market before anyone else, got cocky, and failed to innovate and lost it to Apple and Google.

                                                      [–]Anononononandon 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                      Rim and all the smart phones at that time got dominated by capacitative touch. They were stubborn by keeping the full qwerty keyboard on a small device. Rim was against the ropes when push email finally reached the iPhone.

                                                      [–]Sparcrypt 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                      I worked in corporate IT when RIM was successful and through it's downfall. At the iPhone launch no business really cared. Blackberries did their email and calendar and a physical keyboard was vastly superior to a touch screen.

                                                      But... bit by bit, RIM changed nothing and people got sick of it. Blackberry was still better at email, security and device management, but had none of the bells and whistles the iPhone and androids did. They refused to release a decent full touch phone with a good OS and proper App Store support.

                                                      So as executives wives and kids started showing off the cool web browsing and awesome apps on their phones, they wanted in. Eventually IT departments were just told 'implement iPhones'.. so we did.

                                                      By the time RIM really started to get serious, it was too late.

                                                      [–]sentripetal 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      The Storm was a disaster

                                                      [–]RLLRRR 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I remember hoping for an iPhone running Blackberry.

                                                      Nope. It was a brick of jello running Windows ME. Holy god, what a disappointment.

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                                                              [–]baultista 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                              If you know any of the ASP.NET guys please go give them a hug on my behalf. The stuff Microsoft has done with ASP.NET in the last few years is nothing short of outstanding.

                                                              [–]banished_to_oblivion 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                              Care to expand on that and explain a little?

                                                              [–]slightlyKiwi 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                              It went from being god awful web forms which are bloody hard to make responsive to beautiful mvc projects which incorporate jQuery and bootstrap by default and are a joy to work with. Oh, and its all open source. And the c# compiler is now open source. And mvc can spit out json or XML instead of html, so you can use it as a web service with minimal effort. And did mention its open source. Let's hit that one more time: Microsoft. Open source.

                                                              [–]iEzhik 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              It all makes sense, Satya Nadella is a GNU mole.

                                                              [–]DeeBoFour20 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                              Sounds good. Now if only I could run it on a Linux server.

                                                              [–]TRGB 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Give it at most a year and you will be able to.

                                                              [–]slightlyKiwi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              This guy seems to have it running http://gunnarpeipman.com/2014/10/running-asp-net-mvc-6-on-linux/

                                                              [–]xantrel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Now that Microsoft bought Xamarin, you might be able to in the near future.

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                                                                  [–]POVPirate 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Have a look at the website, looks interesting http://www.asp.net/

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                                                                    [–]kit_carlisle 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    People all over feel this way, and not just ones that work for companies.

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                                                                      [–]Kynch 219 ポイント220 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                                                                      Full Interview

                                                                      [–]strumpster 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                      That entire thing is amazing, by the way. Watched it a few times in a row when I first found it.

                                                                      Sooo much foresight, insight, and general excellent communication and understanding projected from him.

                                                                      I've never really been an Apple person, but watching that interview shows what a visionary he was, and this was before they even brought him back to Apple, where he turned it into a BEAST of a company.

                                                                      [–]Katapesh_Express 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (69子コメント)

                                                                      An option for people in the US?

                                                                      [–]NotKevinJames 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      I found it on DailyMotion:
                                                                      Part 1
                                                                      Part 2

                                                                      [–]inverterx 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                      You'd honestly think a video about an american, and an american company would be available in america. Odd.

                                                                      [–]Fig1024 199 ポイント200 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                      even more interesting that world wide web, with no concept of borders, somehow limits content based on physical region. Why impose arbitrary limits on interconnected net?

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                                                                        [–]docodine 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        the entire thing is on netflix, search for steve jobs

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                                                                          [–]internetguy3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Thanks!

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                                                                            [–]internetguy3 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                                            Are there any more videos of jobs talking about business and giving this sort of insight on the internet? Any cool docummentary?

                                                                            [–]TheseModsAreCray 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Here's one documentary on Steve and his creation of NeXT computers, which he founded after being kicked out of Apple the first time around.

                                                                            [–]gizamo 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            Full Interview.

                                                                            Edit: Credit to u/Kynch, from above.

                                                                            [–]Danappelxx 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                            Not available in America? What is this, the future?

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                                                                              [–]N831Y 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                              If I were you, read Jobs' biography. It's not only really insightful about the history of Apple and the different aspects of running a company from the ground up, but it's also really interesting learning about Jobs' life. Well written.

                                                                              [–]DrGiggleFairies 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              Reddit hates Jobs a lot which I don't rightly agree with. But we all have to acknowledge that Steve Jobs was a fucking business genius. He changed the whole game when he ran Apple. His biography should be read by everyone. It's got good stuff in it

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                                                                                [–]lapinism 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address

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                                                                                  [–]sleuthysteve 978 ポイント979 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                  You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the Xerox.

                                                                                  [–]JellyMule 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                  Live hard or die typing.

                                                                                  [–]Zpark 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  *printing

                                                                                  [–]ForceBlade 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                  PC load letter

                                                                                  [–]yadag 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  What the fuck does that mean?!

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                                                                                      [–]14io 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                                                      IBM of course is today a giant and have a hand in just about everything. Forbes has them listed as Americas 4th most valuable brand and they were worth $112 billion 2013.

                                                                                      IBM has thrived for decades.

                                                                                      [–]iEzhik 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                      IBM of today is not the same IBM that was Steve Jobs' nemesis.

                                                                                      [–]wanmoar 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                      In my mind that makes IBM a better company. They found themselves in a bad spot, with declining revenues in a more competitive market. So they changed their business entirely!

                                                                                      They went from being a computer manufacturer to a services company in the space of 10 or so years and now lead that space.

                                                                                      [–]iEzhik 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                      It's great that they did that. I love all the increased focus for their research stuff, it's always interesting to see.

                                                                                      [–]baconwiches 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                      As someone who works for IBM, I'm glad to see people are finally realizing we don't really do hardware anymore. We're a software & services company that puts a bunch of its profits into R&D, which I think is the right strategy. It's still not all rosy - profits have been down for a while, which sucks for shareholders/employees - but revenue from R&D takes a while to see the light of day. As long as the R&D is worth our time, and we keep pace with other companies in our software and service capabilities, we're golden.

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                                                                                          [–]flashcats 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          IBM is a completely different company now.

                                                                                          The IBM that Jobs knew was a computer/server manufacturer. IBM today is a consulting company.

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                                                                                            [–]AdrunkDrunk 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                            This is basically the video game industry right now.

                                                                                            [–]tacticalvision 3250 ポイント3251 ポイント  (939子コメント)

                                                                                            When I think of a failed or failing company, Apple is the furtherest from my mind.

                                                                                            [–]doughscraper 594 ポイント595 ポイント  (191子コメント)

                                                                                            Post Jobs Pre Jobs Apple was a total disaster.

                                                                                            [–]datoo 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                            And Apple was run by John Sculley during that period.

                                                                                            [–]doughscraper 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                            Holy shit, the title is much more literal than I thought.

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                                                                                              [–]krazytekn0 211 ポイント212 ポイント  (155子コメント)

                                                                                              Yes. So much this. He was an ass throughout much of his life but he damn sure could steer a company. When he wasnt there he was developing nextep which would heavily influence os x.

                                                                                              [–]crackerbarreljoe 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                              "Heavily influence" is a huge understatement. Mac OS X is basically a reskinned NeXT with some Apple legacy backwards compatibility stuff added.

                                                                                              Mac OS X is more NeXT than Mac OS by far.

                                                                                              [–]drivers9001 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                              Yeah. When you're programming for OS X / iOS today, a lot (all?) of the Objective C classes in the Framework start with "NS", for NextStep. (See list here: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/Foundation/ObjC_classic/index.html#classes )

                                                                                              [–]honda-motor-pickle 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              THAT's what NS is. I'm new to OS X/iOS programming. I hadn't dug that far into it yet. That's a really cool little fact.

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                                                                                                  [–]ihatewil 309 ポイント310 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                                  He was an ass throughout much of his life but he damn sure could steer a company.

                                                                                                  Only after returning to Apple. Don't for one second Apples downfall was because jobs was pushed out. It was failing with Jobs. The projects jobs was personally in-charge of, the Apple Lisa and the Macintosh were complete commercial failures and that's what lead to him being pushed out.

                                                                                                  One of Steve Wozniaks biggest annoyance with the Ashton Kutcher film was they made out Jobs to be this great business visionary and leader in the early days, and as woz describes, he was not. He was a kid that didn't know what he was doing. It was during his exile from Apple that he became the business leader that he is respected for today.

                                                                                                  • “The movie ends pretty much where the great Jobs finally found product success (the iPod) and changed so many of our lives. I’m grateful to Steve for his excellence in the i-era, and his contribution to my own life of enjoying great products, but this movie portrays him having had those skills in earlier times. He did not.” - Steve Wozniak.

                                                                                                  [–]PRISM_CORP 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                  The real story sounds like a great character arc for a film. Seems like a missed opportunity

                                                                                                  [–]usurper7 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  absolutely spot on. could have been a much better story!

                                                                                                  [–]BearlyBreathing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Worry not. I believe there are at least two more Steve Jobs movies in the works. Maybe one of them will hit the mark, haha.

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                                                                                                    [–]Kev-bot 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                    I did not like the movie. The movie makes it look like the failure of the Lisa and Macintosh was because Jobs didn't have enough funding or control of the projects; the failures of those product lines wasn't Jobs' fault. I'm not sure what the real story is.

                                                                                                    [–]PaintshakerBaby 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                    That movie was through and through a big name cash grab set against the green screen backdrop of the American dream fallacy. It's ludicrous to portray it like sheer luck wasn't a factor, and that he was a born genuis who invented the learning curve rather than confronted it. Honestly, it was so smug, it made me a little nauseous in the end...

                                                                                                    At least they maintained his early affinity for LSD. That's right kids, if you take acid, it's a coin toss between waking up in a schizophrenic nightmare and becoming a tech billionaire. I think that's the important message here.

                                                                                                    EDIT: /s! /s! Holy crap guys, that last bit about LSD was sarcasm, not an honest observation. No need to get riled up about it here acid fiends. I'm with you, baby birds.

                                                                                                    [–]robustability 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    That's right kids, if you take acid, it's a coin toss between waking up in a schizophrenic nightmare and becoming a tech billionaire. I think that's the important message here.

                                                                                                    Have you read Jobs' public statements on the subject? He all but says this at a lecture at Stanford.

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                                                                                                          [–]acog 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                                                                          he damn sure could steer a company

                                                                                                          While the guy rightfully deserves the acclaim he's gotten, let's also remember he wasn't exactly flawless running Apple. There's a reason he got booted out of the company. Then he founded Next, which was a commercial failure. So his track record wasn't untarnished.

                                                                                                          [–]antbates 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                          What was the reason?

                                                                                                          [–]kovu159 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                                          Then he founded Next, which was a commercial failure.

                                                                                                          Not really, the OS was incredibly valuable and still makes up the underpinnings of the 2nd most popular OS in the world: OSX. Selling that IP is a very successful exit.

                                                                                                          [–]waterandsewerbill 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                          But Next was still, on its own, a commercial failure. And for desktop operating systems, #2, if you count all Microsoft products as one OS, OSX has a 6% market share. XP, which was released in 2001, and that is so old it's stopped being supported by Microsoft, has a market share 4x as large.

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                                                                                                                [–]J5892 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                You can be a visionary, a genius, and an ass, all at the same time.

                                                                                                                [–]krazytekn0 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                                                                I categorize him as an ass for all the underhanded shit he did. I'm not gonna go into it here you can research it if you want but he screwed quite a few people including Wozniak.

                                                                                                                [–]muhnooer 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                                                cause he was an ass...

                                                                                                                for instance, I heard a story that when he got the first iphone (maybe it was the ipod, I can't remember) mock up he took one look at it then he tossed it into his office fishtank, and said something to the effect of, "See all those bubbles coming out of it? that's wasted space, make it smaller" didn't even care about it past that.

                                                                                                                There are countless stories from guys who worked at Apple about how much of an ass he was, just google a few. A lot of them are pretty funny. I used to work with a few of his old R&D engineers, so I've heard a few first hand. I don't remember them all so I wouldn't do them justice by repeating them, but the guy didn't go out of his way to be nice to people.

                                                                                                                [–]SpermWhale 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                it was for an ipod, not iphone.

                                                                                                                [–]ZackiDack 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                That's actually hilarious though.

                                                                                                                [–]Kev-bot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                Around the time of his death, I read an article about how he was freaking about how the google logo colour was slightly more orange than yellow when viewed on the iphone. He phoned the lead designer at 4am to get that fixed. The writer praised Jobs' attention to detail, but I thought that was a dick move that probably could have waited until morning.

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                                                                                                                    [–]illfatedpupulon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                    OSx was NeXT Step.

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                                                                                                                        [–]sleuthysteve 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                        furtherest

                                                                                                                        ?

                                                                                                                        [–]ramblerandgambler 1143 ポイント1144 ポイント  (507子コメント)

                                                                                                                        People would have said the same about Kodak, Nokia, AOL, SAAB and lots of other companies that used to be giants

                                                                                                                        [–]tacticalvision 1729 ポイント1730 ポイント  (253子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Every company is going to end eventually. But right now, Apple doesn't look like a failing company to me. The title makes it sound like Apple is on the decline or already gone, when there's really no indication of that.

                                                                                                                        [–]whynotanon 795 ポイント796 ポイント  (214子コメント)

                                                                                                                        If you know much about Apple the situation he describes actually happened in the past. It isn't speculation. Apple almost went under had to take microsofts pity money to stay afloat. Steve and the design and product people were removed.

                                                                                                                        [–]mequals1m1w 385 ポイント386 ポイント  (134子コメント)

                                                                                                                        I certainly remember this Wired cover from '97

                                                                                                                        [–]flyco 324 ポイント325 ポイント  (122子コメント)

                                                                                                                        "You want me to buy Apple stock? Are you out of your mind, have you seen last week's Wired?"

                                                                                                                        [–]mequals1m1w 201 ポイント202 ポイント  (120子コメント)

                                                                                                                        "~$20 per share? Seriously, why would I buy that? I mean, I might as well throw money out the window!"

                                                                                                                        [–]Lordmorgoth666 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (116子コメント)

                                                                                                                        A week ago (?) someone commented that in 2001 when apples stock was $1.18ish, if you had spent the money on stock rather than that shiny newly released ipod ($399?) you would have $32,000 in shares now. I don't remember the numbers perfectly but it was something along those lines.

                                                                                                                        [–]Derwos 209 ポイント210 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                                        that's how you make yourself crazy, looking over old stock opportunities with hindsight

                                                                                                                        [–]joemckie 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                        2 years ago back when bitcoin was roughly £2 each (I think?), I got offered by a client to pay me in bitcoins as opposed to GBP. I needed the money at the time so I declined, but in hindsight that job would have been worth £137,800 if I'd have sold them at bitcoin's peak.

                                                                                                                        whenever i mention it people always ask me if i beat myself up over it and they say stuff like 'but you lost all that money'. i always make a point to mention that you can't lose what you never had in the first place and there's no point regretting things that you have no control over

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                                                                                                                            [–]jdalex 260 ポイント261 ポイント  (53子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I had an econ professor roughly ten years ago very adamantly tell the entire class to invest in Apple whatever they could afford. I hope he took his own advice.

                                                                                                                            [–]KnifevsFace 222 ポイント223 ポイント  (47子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I had a librarian tell our class all about Google back in 2004 and how it was 100 times better than yahoo and we should save our money and buy stock.

                                                                                                                            None of us believed her.

                                                                                                                            Edit: I just texted my friend who was in the class with me and it was indeed in 2002.

                                                                                                                            [–]AFRUITPIE 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                            I had a teacher who had $3000 to invest and had decided to place all his money on either Apple or Napster. He went with Napster.

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                                                                                                                              [–]southernbenz 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                                              in 2001 when apples stock was $1.18ish

                                                                                                                              No. Sorry to be that guy, but you're comparing different fractions of the company due to the number of splits since 2001. See, I bought my Apple stock in 2001. I bought it for $19.XX/share (here's an article from a similar date telling what Apple's real stock prices were in 2001). The last time Apple sold for $1.00 would have been before the Clinton administration.

                                                                                                                              Today, when you look up the 2001 price of AAPL, it's telling you the comparative value of whatever small fraction of ownership you're purchasing as it would be valued in 2001. The number of shares of AAPL in ownership today is much larger than it was in 2001.

                                                                                                                              In other words, the $1.18 value is the value of today's AAPL share (as a fraction of the Apple company) if it was sold in 2001; it's not the actual price of a 2001 AAPL share in the year 2001.

                                                                                                                              [–]Lordmorgoth666 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                              By all means, be "that guy". I was mentioning what I read in someone else's comments. If someone with actual data can do better, please be my guest.

                                                                                                                              I'll learn something too. :)

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                                                                                                                                [–]kalsyrinth 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                http://www.businessinsider.com/had-you-invested-in-apple-stock-instead-2013-5?op=1

                                                                                                                                This site shows all the different gadgets

                                                                                                                                [–]OhYouXmasBlues 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                wow, a $2,000 investment in Apple in 2002 would now be worth more than $150,000.

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                                                                                                                                      [–]AGIANTSMURF 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Apple Pray

                                                                                                                                      An easier way to pray.

                                                                                                                                      keep your prayers private.

                                                                                                                                      [–]grueinthebox 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      You don't really need the ability to customize your prayers... Apple will tell you what you want to pray for.

                                                                                                                                      [–]Jazzremix 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                      Prayer Cloud compromised. Celebrities' prayers are seen by everyone. The intrusion is called "hate crime" by the media.

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                                                                                                                                          [–]tacticalvision 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Ok, given that's true and that's the situation the video is referring to, then shouldn't the title be something about Steve Jobs outlined the reason for Apple's future success?

                                                                                                                                          [–]silvertonguegypsy 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Maybe you don't remember, or are too young to remember but there was a period of time that Apple was just TERRIBLE. Apple CEO John Scully, formerly of Pepsi Co. took the company in the opposite direction Jobs wanted to take it. Jobs left and Scully was forced to step down and it really did seem like Apple quit making a good product. It wasn't until the late 90's that they got their act together again.

                                                                                                                                          [–]RiPont 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          but there was a period of time that Apple was just TERRIBLE

                                                                                                                                          Some people call them "the Scully years". I call them "the Performa years". What a piece of crap.

                                                                                                                                          [–]mangeek 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                          Meh. It wasn't really the 'Performa' itself. That was just value-oriented (cheapened) versions of what used to be very high-end ($2,500 - $6,000 for a computer) hardware. The Performas were basically on-par with what you could get on the PC platform.

                                                                                                                                          The problem was the Mac OS. The Mac OS was really rooted in a tightly-knit combination of hardware, toolbox routines burned in ROM, and a system that depended on running applications and extensions right alongside the system itself. It was a mess. It couldn't even take advantage of the hardware it was running on, because your apps were making calls to things that lived in ROM, and so was the system when your app relied on that.

                                                                                                                                          Apple took too long to do the Right Thing, which was to create new APIs that were totally native and software-based, then box-up the entire legacy Mac OS runtime in a VM and use that when needed. They should have introduced the new APIs with Mac OS 7.6 and finished up isolating the old system with the release of Mac OS 8, but it took them until they bought NeXT and released OS X to focus enough to get the job done. By that time, Windows had really trounced them.

                                                                                                                                          I don't know if y'all remember, but back in the System 7 days if you held the mouse button down (as in 'choosing something from the menu') the entire system and all the background apps would pause because of the reliance on that ancient stuff all the way back in ROM that was designed for a computer with a single application and 128KB RAM. Each app would get to decide how much processor time it wanted, and when to hand-off to the system so it could give some to other apps. You had to specify how much RAM each app was allowed to allocate, and each app would start up and allocate its maximum at load time. Windows 95 wouldn't do that; Windows 95 would do work while you searched the menus for the right action, and the kernel would decide which apps got processor time and RAM.

                                                                                                                                          I wonder what would have happened if Apple did what they did with NeXT earlier, with either BeOS, A/UX, or that thing they were working on with IBM. I got to use an alpha release of Copland (the real Mac OS 8, before they cancelled it and slapped it's look-and-feel on System '7.7' and named it '8'), it felt promising, but too rooted to the way Apple had been doing things.

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                                                                                                                                            [–]whynotanon 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                                                            Judging from the amount of hair Steve has this interview took place between 1985 when Steve was forced out and 1996 when he came back. When he came back he brought Apple back from the brink of bankruptcy. When he came back he reversed all the decisions that pepsi co managment had made. He brough back in product and design engineers and gave us the ipod. That is the successful Apple you know today. The 1980's apple was getting shitcanned by ms, ibm, and xerox. The 1990 Apple was unprofitable, nearly bankrupt and only serving a niche market. I'll let wikipedia explain the rest to you.

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                                                                                                                                                [–]Arcusico 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                I think Coca Cola has a great chance of existing forever, though.

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                                                                                                                                                  [–]OftenItalic 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (177子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                  Those companies were generally subverted by a technological change which doesn't appear to be imminent for Apple. Nokia got screwed by the rise of smartphones (which Apple at least partially brought about), Kodak were broken by digital cameras and ubiquitous phone cameras, AOL were supplanted by other internet companies with better technology etc. Those changes happen quick but we're not seeing it happen to Apple at the moment. There is no tech revolution happening in the sectors Apple are in right now. Their phones, tablets, computers and MP3 players are largely comparable to their rivals' and are continuing to sell well. Until/ unless new technology catches Apple off guard (and they're remarkably good at being ahead of the curve) you won't see a dramatic change in their fortune and as of right now there is no dramatic new technology. Most of the 'revolutionary' consumer tech we see seems to be getting mixed responses at best (Google Glass, smart watches).

                                                                                                                                                  [–]DoxBox 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                  A slight rebuttal to your reasoning on the demise of those companies.

                                                                                                                                                  Kodak was a respected name in photography; like Canon or Nikon, they could have leveraged that into initial sales of modern product. Kodak just never brought a good, modern product to emerging digital photography market. Instead they decided to solve problems that didn't exist. They made cameras and printers so that you just set your camera down on the printer and go - except printing out photos was already stupidly easy. So down they went.

                                                                                                                                                  Nokia also simply did not keep up. They're still alive, I think, but only as a shadow of their former selves. If they had actually come up with a better, modern product, they would be fine. Instead they stuck with things people don't like and tried to sell things people didn't want to buy. (e.g. Windows Phone)

                                                                                                                                                  AOL, again, was a huge name in its respective industry. They failed because they never came out with a single new product. An ISP that wanted to become more but never actually put in the effort to get there. AOL was basically the worst of what comes from putting sales/advertising (so far) ahead of actual product development.

                                                                                                                                                  TL;DR It's not that new innovations killed these companies, these companies killed themselves by failing to innovate. Plenty of similar companies made it because they kept up with the times.

                                                                                                                                                  [–]MSeager 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                  My girlfriend did an assignment on Kodak as part of her business degree. I used to work with a former employee, so we shot an interview with him. The video is only a small part of a much larger presentation but I hope you'll enjoy it. Kodak PT 1 Kodak PT 2

                                                                                                                                                  It focuses on the motion picture industry, but it gives you a great idea on the culture of the company, and why they failed.

                                                                                                                                                  Basically it came down to one thing. They were literally printing money with film, they didn't want anything to hurt their film stock sales.

                                                                                                                                                  [–]DoxBox 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                  That was fascinating, thanks.

                                                                                                                                                  [–]hoilst 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                  Fellow Aussie here.

                                                                                                                                                  Went into the Kodak-branded printshop in Tamworth. Small inland city, 50,000 people.

                                                                                                                                                  Asked the guy behind the counter what he thought was up with Kodak.

                                                                                                                                                  The rant which spewed forth, about Perez, about printing, about ignoring photography...nearly damn tore my ears off. Guy was Scottish, too, which added a certain level of vehemence.

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                                                                                                                                                        [–]cyberslick188 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        Atari.

                                                                                                                                                        Atari was THE fastest growing company in American history, and it died in as spectacular fashion as it grew.

                                                                                                                                                        [–]ProbablyProne 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        Saab was a giant?

                                                                                                                                                        [–]madbuttery 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                        Wasn't a giant but man they were fantastic. GM thought they were a giant though and tried to mass produce them, that didn't work out very well. :(

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                                                                                                                                                          [–]DishwasherTwig 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          Giants are one thing, but Apple is a colossus. They're the most valuable company in the world. They'd have further to fall than anyone.

                                                                                                                                                          [–]gjacques5239 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                          I agree with everything but SAAB. Never a giant.

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                                                                                                                                                            [–]gtwillwin 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (114子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                            Well at the time IBM and Xerox were not "failed" companies. Apple is a tech giant just like them but they've stopped innovating, just like he said IBM and Xerox did.

                                                                                                                                                            [–]14io 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                            IBM was worth 112 billion in 2013.

                                                                                                                                                            Forbes placed them as the 35th most valuable company on earth in 2013 and 4th in America.

                                                                                                                                                            [–]LyingAhab 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                            IBM innovates more than Apple...they just do not make products as marketable to the common man as Apple and therefore bring in less revenue. They cater to a different group.

                                                                                                                                                            IBM's market cap is still over 150b...

                                                                                                                                                            http://www.fiercebiotechit.com/story/cleveland-clinic-teams-ibm-use-watson-genomics-cancer-research/2014-11-02

                                                                                                                                                            [–]NGC2467 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                            IBM has 12 research laboratories worldwide and, as of 2013, has held the record for most patents generated by a company for 20 consecutive years. Its employees have garnered five Nobel Prizes, six Turing Awards, ten National Medals of Technology, and five National Medals of Science

                                                                                                                                                            IBM probably innovates more than any other computer company on earth.

                                                                                                                                                            [–]Snoyarc 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                            correct, IBM markets to companys not everyday men.

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                                                                                                                                                              [–]SubwayEatFrosh 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (80子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                              Well at the time IBM and Xerox were not "failed" companies.

                                                                                                                                                              Well, I would argue that they are not exactly "failed" companies now. But in any case, this is from 1995, after IBM and Xerox were no longer huge monopolies like they had been. He's speaking about their so called "demise" after the fact, not predicting it.

                                                                                                                                                              Apple is a tech giant just like them but they've stopped innovating, just like he said IBM and Xerox did.

                                                                                                                                                              I mean, maybe in your opinion, but there's really no evidence of that. People were saying that before they came out with the iPhone. People were saying that before they came out with iPad. People are saying it now, but they have the iWatch coming. Meanwhile, their new editions of their other product lines are still huge successes with each update.

                                                                                                                                                              Jony Ive was Apple's main "product guy" even before Steve Jobs died, and he's still got a ton of power now. I'm definitely not saying Apple will be around forever, because they won't, but to say that their "demise" has already started because they have "salesmen" in charge instead of "product guys" is either just a poor understanding of the situation at Apple or else just wishful thinking on the part of the Apple anti-fanboys.

                                                                                                                                                              [–]Seen_Unseen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                              I tend to think that while Jobs here certainly got a point, it's a bit oversimplified how IBM operates these days. It's still a tech giant just not anymore in the personal computer segment anymore. If you see with their super computers as well mainframes they tap in, with their hardware development, I wouldn't call IBM failed. They simply figured out sensibly that PC's aren't a market segment that's really that profitable.

                                                                                                                                                              The same most likely could be said probably for Apple. They give no breakdown in the different segments but I tend to think their highest margin are more in the mobiles/ipads and not in the laptops and certainly not in the few computers out there. Not to mention a big source of income is iTunes. Is Apple failed? In the PC segment they aren't flourishing, but they found a stronger segment just like IBM did.

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                                                                                                                                                                [–]CHEX_QUEST 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                yeah, but what about Oscar Meyer Honey Smoked Ham?

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                                                                                                                                                                  [–]namrog84 265 ポイント266 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                  Steve Jobs unintentionally outlines the reason behind Apple's most companies present/future demises - [1:44]

                                                                                                                                                                  FTFY

                                                                                                                                                                  [–]SxeySteve 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                  But I want to hate on Apple fanboys! The rich multi-national corporation that makes my operating system is better than the rich multi-national corporation that makes yours!

                                                                                                                                                                  [–]Freddit- 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                  This was before Apple hit rock bottom (literally about two weeks from bankruptcy) and they were forced to bring Jobs back into the company and accept a handout from Microsoft.

                                                                                                                                                                  So OP is 100% accurate.

                                                                                                                                                                  Could be argued that Apple is in the beginnings of that slippery slope again, but it's too early to tell.

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                                                                                                                                                                    [–]Danzaemon 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                    Salesmen are absolutely necessary for every company. However, a good salesman's most important skill is his ability to influence other people. That's great when applied to customers, but it has serious drawbacks when applied to company management. Just because you can exert influence over a company doesn't mean you have the proper judgment in doing so.

                                                                                                                                                                    Salesman are like monkeys in a zoo. Monkeys are fun and cute and a great draw for visitors. Every zoo needs its monkeys. But when the monkeys start running the zoo, you're in deep, deep trouble.

                                                                                                                                                                    [–]oldmanslippers 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                    The trick is to be able to influence people and also be right.

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                                                                                                                                                                      [–]TheBlauKid 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      The issue with the premise of the title is that Apple has a monopoly. Ipod, sure monopoly. Iphone? for a little while maybe, but not today. Computers? Never even close. Apple still has an incentive to improve their products.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]quiteintriguing 446 ポイント447 ポイント  (109子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      It's interesting what he says about understanding how to turn an idea into a great product, and actually wanting to help the customers. Apple under Steve Jobs were incredibly careful about what they did release, and there was an innate ease of use and thought about factors that made the products good to look at and function so well you end up unaware of the intricacy. This symbolises the need by Jobs to release products that not only filled vacant niches, but the need to produce something he could be personally proud of regardless of whether the consumer picked up on the small details. I don't remember any product that fell into line with any trend, because they were always at the forefront of functionality, design, and ease of use.

                                                                                                                                                                      Let's be realistic here - Jobs successor was never going to be a fool. But whoever inherited Apple was always going to be in a position where they needn't think outside the box to continue the companies success. We've since seen an array of products that conform rather than redefine. But they're idevices, and they run iOS, so the formula still sells. I don't find this to be as much to their credit as applied. They've essentially muddied the waters with how many devices they've released, shat on the incremental nature of iOS design, thrown away screen proportion on the iphone in favour of 1080p video, released colours that haven't been followed up, hinting of a hidden acceptance of their straying too far for marketability.

                                                                                                                                                                      Apple will not die tomorrow, and they won't die suddenly. But there will never be another Steve Jobs, and apple will never be what it once was.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]AeoSC 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      I've said it before, the latest(2013) model of Mac Pro is the neatest design Apple has come up with in years. Almost all I've heard about it is trash can jokes, but there's exactly one fan and one shared heatsink cooling every component in there, and it works. It's tidily solved the problem Apple has had for a decade with improperly cooling their computers, without compromising on noise or moving parts.

                                                                                                                                                                      If you've ever been the least bit interested in airflow and cooling for PCs, scroll through ifixit's teardown of the Mac Pro 2013 for a minute. It's really quite clever, and it could only be the "product people" Jobs referred to in the interview that made it happen.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]Ryelander 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      No one will ever see this as I'm to late to the party, but this is what I think is is happening in the US Government and were failing.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]evilquail 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      Except that Jony Ive is a fantastic product designer and one of the most powerful people at Apple.

                                                                                                                                                                      Guess it explains why Apple is still doing very well...

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]this_charming_flan 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      I want to upvote this for the great quote, but downvote it for the dumb conclusion drawn.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]hoodedstallion 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      This would make sense If Apple was anywhere near a monopoly in any of the markets they conduct business in.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]Giuseppe12 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      While I dont think this is happening at a major level at apple I just cant help but agree with Steve. Such a smart guy who saw the bigger picture. I suggest reading his book, really good insight on him.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]Gamion 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      So if the people at Xerox were called Tonerheads does that mean their counterparts at Apple are Mac Daddy's?

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]RyanMRKO721 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      Don't worry. He's in the Nethersphere now.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]TheMotherfucker 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      For me, M. Night Shyamalan's career came to mind as the Xerox of directors. His first major success had a lot going for it besides twists such as a good child actor at the heart of the film and a refreshing attention to detail despite some flaws. Each movie became a xerox of the formula to the point where the movie was merely a marketing vehicle for the twist, with the Village being the most glaring, which he and others mistakenly assumed was the only reason 6th Sense or Unbreakable were well received.

                                                                                                                                                                      When he tried to stray from it, it was too late, throwing away his crutch made him just flop around like a Lady out of the Water.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]Wealthy_Gadabout 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      You learn from your failures more than from your successes. Shyamalan's first movie was a mediocre coming of age drama starring Rosie O'Donnell as a nun. Learning from that experience, he made Sixth Sense, a worldwide phenomenon, hailed by critics as an instant classic and referred to as one of the best movies of all time. By that point, I think the only place Shyamalan could go was down. Comedians like Louis CK and Patton Oswalt talk about deliberately bombing to keep themselves fresh. Once you reach a certain level of fame there's so much good will pointed at you, creative stagnation can set in easily, so they intentionally tell a bunch of terrible or offensive jokes to turn the audience against them in order to win them back. I think by chasing the 'formula' that made Sixth Sense successful Sham-a-ham forgot how to make a good movie without it.

                                                                                                                                                                      [–]genericaccount1234 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                      You learn from your failures more than from your successes

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, then Shyamalan must be a fucking genius by now.

                                                                                                                                                                      Seriously though, while Shyamalan it may not be fair to expect him achieve the heights of Sixth Sense or Unbreakable, that's no justification for what came after that. That, or Shyamalan is seriously going for the long con. "Hmm, I'll make two of the worst movies of the decade, then go back to making real films. It's brilliant!"

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                                                                                                                                                                        [–]AlexS101 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                        I think it is kind of funny how badly some people love to pretend that Apple is failing and is making bad products. They really, really want to believe that this is true.

                                                                                                                                                                        Seriously, relax.

                                                                                                                                                                        [–]Kiwifruitee 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                        Yep. I still don't understand why people want Apple to fail so badly.

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                                                                                                                                                                          [–]peterreis 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                          Reddit loves to hate on Apple, which by the way is at an all-time stock high.

                                                                                                                                                                          [–]god_awful_photoshop 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                          How dare apple do well in the business world??! Their phones don't even have removable batteries!

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                                                                                                                                                                            [–]starguy13 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                            The problem with this comparison is that Apple does not have a Monopoly on their market. Their devices are just popular still. If they made a product that was just outright terrible, their competition would profit and Apple would work on a way to get the consumers back on their side.

                                                                                                                                                                            [–]lobe44 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                            Is this the same interview where jobbs says 'We shamelessly steal good ideas from other people'. And then he goes on to sue everyone and everything 10 years later who he thought was infringing on his own copyright?

                                                                                                                                                                            Man was a giant hypocrite.

                                                                                                                                                                            Edit: found it.

                                                                                                                                                                            [–]bertonia 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                                                                                            The reason that this won't be a downfall for Apple, I think, is that the jump from iPhone to iPhone, in terms of improvement, is tangible enough that the marketing team can generate huge amounts of consumer desire. This isn't the difference between one copier from 1994 and a printer from 1997.

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