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[–]recoveringgayfish 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (49子コメント)

Stop sexualizing those 2 extra pixels or Anita will come after you.

[–]MichaelJBRocks 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Is she like the boogeyfem now? Edit: What have I done?

[–]Robubie -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Yeah, and what's funny is if you ever watch her videos she is the most calm mild person I've ever heard in my life. I really don't understand the hate for her.

[–]K1N6F15H 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its less about delivery, more so the content.

She created the series with a premise and she intends to cherry pick or blatantly ignore details in order to maintain that initial assumption.

That said, her delivery actually does call into question the videos as well. If this was simply a rant piece (a buzzfeed kind of entertainment), I might give her a little credit. Instead she presents these videos like they are actually academic.

[–]hollander93 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (23子コメント)

My issue is mainly that her videos are not freely giving sources of her information. In terms of a hypothesis or trying to prove a theory, she does t provide anything for others to inspect and scrutinise for themselves. Sexism exists in video games cultures and its a problem, but sarkessian is not the person to bring light to it as she doesn't present a clear and factual arguement with known sources and information to back up her claims. I'm ranting and i am sorry for that but there are many people who are better to listen to in regards to this issue then sarkessian and her ability to skew and mutate the matter at hand. If anything she should have presented a calmer and more pleasant video to open our eyes to it rather than go straight into attack mode and set the gamers into Defense mode. Ease us in then explain it to us and show us the information which we can verify for ourselves. Again sorry for the rant, she has done so much damage to the feminist movement in gaming culture and it irritates me because we as gamers have such great potential to become better than the last generation only to be reduce to rabid dogs because someone stabbed us with a sharpened stick. /end rant Again sorry.

[–]RlyRlyGoodLooking -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (21子コメント)

She doesn't owe you anything... she had only a few followers on youtube, posted a video about her opinion on the problems with video games, and all hell broke loose. She doesn't need to "ease you in" to anything. The gamers' reaction to her comments is what gave her all the attention she receives.

[–]Rabbyte808 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

She doesn't owe you anything...

She didn't until she fundraiser hundreds of thousands of dollars to make those videos.

[–]hollander93 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wait what? Hundreds of thousands of dollars and she made those videos? Where did the money go?

[–]Rabbyte808 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No idea. I don't think anybody knows.

[–]hollander93 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That'd confusing. The videos weren't awfully made but with that much money you'd think there'd be more to it.

[–]RlyRlyGoodLooking -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She asked for 6,000 before gamers made a huge fuss about it, which gave more attention to her fundraiser.

[–]Rabbyte808 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but she still accepted and took all the extra money she got. There has been no explanation so far as to where that money has gone, as those videos definitely do not have budgets in the tens of thousands of dollars each.

[–]hollander93 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh and before I forget and move on, sarkessians videos are scare tactics or shock value. They're made to immediately set you back in your seat and say Damn, thats not right. While this works for some people, it doesn't hold up under continuous scrutiny. The best way to get people to consider your arguement is to be neutral, present your facts in a friendly or at least unagressive manner and do not isolate a particular group of people. A good argument and good delivery (the way you say it) makes people sit back and think about what you've said and actually give you a chance. Sarkessian actually chose to ignore all of this and simply gun for everyone. And if you are firing shots at people and what they love, they aren't gonna turn around and say thanks for that.

[–]RlyRlyGoodLooking -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, you're right. If you're firing shots at what gamers love, they'll threaten to rape and kill you forcing you out of your home and making you scared for your life. But she didn't cite her sources, so I guess she got what she deserved.

[–]Forgotten_Tacos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

they'll threaten to rape and kill you forcing you out of your home and making you scared for your life

Welcome to the internet. I'm not saying its okay, its just one of the things that comes with being internet famous. This is of course assuming we're not talking about the ones she made up.

[–]hollander93 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont know what gamers are saying. I'm just saying why I find her videos irritating to me. You can play it like I'm supporting the childish behaviour of gamers but I'm not. No one on either side is clean here. One day I hope that the whole gender thing becomes irrelevant and people just stop caring. But it won't. If sarkessian doesn't cite her sources or people threaten to rape and murder, i stand by my decision to simply be sad for both and for all that lost potential.

[–]hollander93 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thats not how it works. In the world of scholars and people presenting information and hypotheses, they must submit their info to be scrutinised and tested elsewhere. This whole not owing me anything isn't an actual reason. This is the way it's done. If someone puts forward a hypothesis you best believe it will be tested and inspected at every point because that's how a hypothesis becomes a theory. Evolution is the same and is still scrutinised today by scholars, scientists and the like because in the world of information we must be critical of every piece of info presented to us as fact. If sarkessian were to provide her sources for the public to view then that would be the end of it. I'm not sure where you get this owing thing from but you can't be a spokesperson (or act like one) and then refuse to provide the source of your info. The greatest minds in history went through it so why not her?

[–]RlyRlyGoodLooking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Are you kidding? That's how it's done in academia, but she posted a YouTube video, she didn't write a dissertation.

[–]Forgotten_Tacos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But then this goes against the initial kickstarter promise of what these videos were supposed to be doesn't it?

[–]hollander93 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I would hope any video made about the state of gaming and sexism would be considered a part of academia as it is an important subject. If you do not consider it so then fair enough but i do so sources are due.

[–]RlyRlyGoodLooking -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

but i do so sources are due.

I'm sure she'll get right on it then.

[–]hollander93 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hopefully she will. Would love to see where she gets her info. Have a good day and be well. Edit: oh I know you were using sarcasm, i chose not to respond to it in a likewise manner. Again, have a nice day.

[–]imusuallycorrect -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sexism exists everywhere both ways. Making some stupid fucking argument that it exists in video games is irrational. Guess what? 13 year old boys are going to buy video games with tits. 13 year old girls are going to read magazines about how ugly they are, and how they need to blow the football team to be popular.

[–]Cuddle_Apocalypse 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've learned that a whole lot of gamers can't handle criticism of any sort when it comes to what they like. Even I find myself wrestling with the urge to argue with someone who may not like the games that I get great enjoyment from, no matter how solid their criticism may be, because I just can't understand how they couldn't love them!

Edit: It's always fun to watch votes bounce back and forth on stuff like this. I have no life.

[–]GenerativeSeeds 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've learned that a whole lot of gamers can't handle criticism of any sort when it comes to what they like

That is utter nonsense. If she made similar videos about television shows with the same ridiculously twisted, accusatory, and offensive comments, she would receive the same reactions. She constantly brings the player in and makes a bunch of assumptions about the player.

I listen to game critics all the time. I don't know where you have been, but a vast number of game critics view the industry in low regards at the moment. It's when people who don't play or understand games come in and start making accusations toward the players about their morality is when people get upset. She is not a critic, she is a pseudopsychologist/pseudosociologist/armchair philosopher.

She has a point that certain tropes exist which have traditional gender roles in games, but that is about all she proves with her research. For example, it is a stretch of the imagination to say that having strippers in Hitman actually oppresses women by way of a causal relationship. She actually believes and professes that video games causes woman oppression.

[–]Lovebeard 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

lol

Anita

can't handle criticism of any sort

[–]Cuddle_Apocalypse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Strange, I've never heard of her having an overreaction to any valid criticism of what she has done so far.

And no, threats and "jokes" of violence towards her are not valid criticism, no matter how much some would like them to be.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of hers or anything. Her presentation could be better, her stuff could be better-researched, and I have found myself disagreeing with her conclusions on more than one occasion. There are probably people that can do what she is trying to do a lot better than she is doing it.

But the reaction to her and her ilk from the very beginning is one of the most hilarious and disappointing things I've probably ever seen as a gamer. If she had been left alone with her rather small Kickstarter, she probably never would've received the attention she's getting. But noooooo, there had to be an absolute shitstorm kicked up in response to feminist-based critiques on gaming.

[–]Lovebeard 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like you've never heard a reaction at all because she never talks outside of an echo chamber.

[–]GenerativeSeeds 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strange, I've never heard of her having an overreaction to any valid criticism of what she has done so far.

Please link to these reactions of hers to valid criticism, that you seem to have good knowledge of, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that.

[–]phynn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

She turns the comments off on all of her videos. She has refused any sort of debate. She only goes on things and talks to people that support her.

[–]Cuddle_Apocalypse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you really think that most youtube comments are seeking rational discourse? Did you ever even see the comments that she got before she shut them down? The vast, vast majority of the thousands she received basically boiled down to "Tits or gtfo jew feminazi slut".

[–]Forgotten_Tacos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The rational commenters exist no need to lump them all in one group like she does with "gamers". with all the money she's made for that youtube show you'd think maybe they could hire moderators to flag spam or inflammatory comments but then again it would probably just turn into Koblogu where only the comments of those who agree are left public.

[–]phynn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't. Though apparently they have the comments shut down on Colbert's video of her appearance on youtube as well.

And I mean, if that's what she was getting... so? Wouldn't that would just sort of prove her point gamers are assholes?

[–]MrBoobieBuyer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because she got way too much money for a project that does nothing. She is extremely biased and most of the time, she's very misinformed. She's doing with the research with the intent on validating her opinion instead of going in with an open mind. At least that's why I don't care for her.

[–]ucbsuperfreak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you sure you're not just watching it with the intent of validating your own opinion instead of listening to hers? I'm about as white a dude as there is; she does a terrific job and offers very fair and interesting opinions on videogames.

[–]Rabbyte808 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

offers very fair and interesting opinions on videogames.

That's the thing, she isn't presenting it as an opinion. She presents it as fact and then claims that all research and academic fields support it.

[–]ucbsuperfreak -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean just like those presenting the opinion that it isn't offensive present their opinions as a fact?

Of course she's presenting it as an opinion, because every social argument is based on opinion. There is no perfect social world; we have to fight to create equality and bring about awareness through a very ugly and imperfect set of social tools, which is exactly what she's doing. The academic backing serves to make her point more robust through the use of examples and theoretical vantage points.

If she's ever said that her opinion is objectively true then congratulations, you've found her committing an error. Just because she's being emphatic and illustrating her points vividly doesn't mean she thinks she's creating some sort of perfect ontological map of this particular moment in human nature; she's just pointing out things about video games that aren't fair to a certain demographic and saying it would be nice if they were changed. The fact that everyone's acting like it's such a big fucking deal baffles me.

[–]MrBoobieBuyer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have no opinions on sexism in videogames. I just play them to have fun and relax. I don't appreciate being told I'm a pig because I think Bayonetta is an awesome game. Also, she never seems to focus on men's roles in games. If I cared, Gears of War would be an incredibly sexist game to me.

[–]ucbsuperfreak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, you actually do have opinions on sexism in videogames, and those opinions are conservative and involve maintaining the status quo. I don't mean "conservative" in a negative political sense, I mean it in the literal sense that you don't think things should change.

You aren't a pig because you like Bayonetta, and she never says that. At the beginning of each video, she says something to the effect of "You can enjoy games and still criticize them". In fact, all of us do this, it just doesn't involve criticizing them in relation to female equality. It's what is happening in every single video game review you have ever read: the individual is saying they enjoyed the game, but here's where they can do better. All Anita Sarkeesian is doing is saying she enjoys certain games, but they could do a better job of projecting a positive image of women.

The fact that guys are getting so worked up about this is really confusing to me. If the main character in Bayonetta looked like a normal woman rather than a huge-titted pornstar, would it make the game any less fun? No, so I don't see why people get so offended and defensive about such a small change to the industry.

[–]MrBoobieBuyer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of Bayonetta's appeal is it's over the top everything. Gore, action, sexuality, so yes, if she was a "normal" woman (I guess sexy women aren't normal, not sure what you mean) the game would lose some of its appeal. If would be like if Marcus Fenix was 4ft tall and sounded like Neil Patrick Harris. Gaming shouldn't be a platform for social issues. It's just a form of entertainment. And the sexism isn't only geared towards women, it's everywhere. And quite frankly, it's such a trivial matter that it's baffling that anyone would make such a fuss over it.

[–]altshiftM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should see how she describes hitman.

[–]GirthBrooks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't care about FemFreq until her bullshit Hitman video. She completely lies about the objective of the game to make her point.

[–]phynn -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a fan of her because she has terrible videos that are poorly researched.

[–]mason240 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's because she is the same kind of authoritarian moralist that we had to deal with in 1980s, just with a different ideological wrapper.