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[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You may wish to try and convince me otherwise. I think tumblr represents a very real and sizeable portion of feminism, and the tumblr transtrenders are simply a symptom of that.

If it makes you feel better I don't think otherkin are more ridiculous than calling yourself a sapiosexual, demiromantic, non binary, demigirl. Just not less so.

[–]Celot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think tumblr represents a very real and sizeable portion of feminism

How?! There's barely anyone on tumblr over the age of 25.

[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

There's barely anyone who self identifies as a feminist, and of those that do, teens and college age people account for almost everyone.

[–]Reverend_TwitchJonkin - Ech/Echs/Echself 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

teens and college age people account for almost everyone.

But not all of them are tumblr users.

[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is very true, however, the ideas being expressed on tumblr are just the outflowing of "intersectional" feminism from universities. It's not as though these kids hopped on the internet and thought all of this up themselves, it's the product of Sociology and gender studies departments.

Tumblr style feminism is quite mainstream, it's liberal feminism that's the oddity and outcast.

[–]Celot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hmm... it's almost like you assume the only feminists are the ones that will come right up to you and go "I'm a feminist!" Maybe that's you're problem.

Same thing for every possible affiliation. 90% of Christains don't shove it in your face, but you're struck by the ones who do.

23% of women and 32% of Democrats identify as feminist. I'm sure you know a good portion of women and a good portion of democrats. How do those numbers stack up? Sounds to me that at least 1 in 3 Democrat women consider themselves feminist, probably more like 1 in 2 (assuming you do get a strong gender divide). I don't think 1 in 3 and certainly not 1 in 2 democratic women are teens and college age, especially considering that if you're under 18, you're not going to be part of that poll.

I think you need to realize that not every feminist is out there burning a bra. You only see the ones burning their bra and assume all feminists are like that.

[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hmm... it's almost like you assume

And why do I get the feeling you're about to make assumptions about me?

Same thing for every possible affiliation. 90% of Christains don't shove it >in your face, but you're struck by the ones who do.

It's actually fairly obvious the distinction here. 1) People typically assume you are Christian. 2) People typically don't assume you are a feminist.

I'm sure you know a good portion of women and a good portion of >democrats.

I'm Canadian, the only democrat I know is a SJW who responded to the recent school shooting by blaming white privilege, was told the shooter wasn't white, and then buckled down and still blamed whitey.

How do those numbers stack up? Sounds to me that at least 1 in 3 >Democrat women consider themselves feminist, probably more like 1 in 2 >(assuming you do get a strong gender divide). I don't think 1 in 3 and >certainly not 1 in 2 democratic women are teens and college age, >especially considering that if you're under 18, you're not going to be part >of that poll.

I wouldn't know, though assuming 1/2 of all democrat women are feminists when only 23% of women total identify as such seems like a significant leap.

I think you need to realize that not every feminist is out there burning a >bra. You only see the ones burning their bra and assume all feminists are >like that.

I've never seen a feminist burn a bra. I've seen them demand a shelter for transexuals be shut down because they described it as a "rape academy". It offered classes on how to explain to your partner you used to have a dick.

I've seen feminists destroy various social movements such as the atheism movement and the occupy movement.

I've seen feminists fabricate rape threats to win themselves local attention and then watched other feminists defend them when the police called bullshit.

I've seen feminists tell men that they should behave as though every woman around them considered them a rapist, and then watched male feminists insist they were willing to do so, including a black man who said "I get treated like a criminal, all other men should as well."

I've seen feminists make it a criminal offense to not ask for consent every time you change position in bed.

I've seen feminists defend false rape accusers and demand that they never be prosecuted.

I've seen feminists advocate accusing your political opponents of misogyny as a political strategy, whether or not it is true, because both right and left react by withdrawing support of the candidate.

You know what I haven't seen? Someone who drags out this tired "not all feminists" line who follows it up with examples of a good feminist. One that isn't Malala, a little girl whose Afghan upbringing leaves her ignorant of modern feminists.

Are you going to be different?

[–]Celot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's actually fairly obvious the distinction here. 1) People typically assume you are Christian. 2) People typically don't assume you are a feminist.

What? I actually don't assume much of anything, but hey, glad to hear you admit you assume women aren't feminist.

Other than that, I think you're missing the point. No movement is represented by the vocal fringe.

I'm Canadian, the only democrat I know is a SJW who responded to the recent school shooting by blaming white privilege, was told the shooter was white, and then buckled down and still blamed whitey.

Well, it's a US study. You're welcome to post your own proving that I'm wrong. In the US about 1/3 of people are deomocrats.

However, your personal stories aren't data.

I wouldn't know, though assuming 1/2 of all democrat women are feminists when only 23% of women total identify as such seems like a significant leap.

LEARN TO READ. 1/3 democrats are feminist. In the general population 23% of women are feminist, 8% of men are feminist. Doesn't seem like a huge jump to continue that broad trend to get 1/2 of Democrat women are feminist.

I've never seen a feminist burn a bra.

Apparently you've never seen hyperboyle either.

Are you really stupid enough to think I meant bra-burning literally or were you deliberately missing the point?

All those things you listed? Bra-burning. Someone on the fringe is doing it and you're using it to paint all feminists with the same brush. I'm sorry if my rhetoric was a little over your head.

You want examples? Hillary Clinton I bet you could find a lot of women's shelters run by feminists, like this one Jane Fonda who started The Jane Fonda Center for Adolescent Reproductive Health at Emory University in Atlanta

I mean, this is from 10 minutes of googling. It's not hard if you bother to look.

[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I do assume most women aren't feminists, because as your own source demonstrates 77% aren't.

LEARN TO READ They typed without irony. "1 in 3 >Democrat women consider themselves feminist, probably more like 1 in 2"

It actually is a large jump, given that 1/3 is 17% less than 1/2, but if you want to have a semantic argument about what constitutes "large" I would say adding or taking more than 10% on either side of a question is a large leap. Given less than 50% of the population votes assigning all 31% of the population to one party or another seems self serving.

No dear, I'm not stupid, I just recognize that there are feminists who literally do refer to bras as torture devices, and was referring to instances where they were doing actual harm in the real world as opposed to just burning clothing they paid for themselves.

The movements they destroyed weren't undone by extremists, the progressive stack came right out mainstream feminist thought.

The hatred of transexuals is still very prominent in feminist circles whether you like it or not, particularly of transexual men (shock).

It is a mainstream opinion that women who fabricate rape claims should not be prosecuted, as far as I know, literally no feminists are in favour of prosecuting people who fabricate rape claims.

Schroedingers rapist was and remains popular amongst feminist groups. Would you like to read the article where the black man (Crommunist) seriously argued it was okay to treat all men as rapists because it's okay to treat all black men as criminals? It's still up, he's not taking it down, he's proud of it.

It is now rape in California to change position during sex without first asking the woman for consent. You can blame extremists all you like but they got a law passed, they had broad public support.

And the article arguing for accusations of misogyny as a political strategy? Amanda Marcotte. Didn't she work on the John Kerry Campaign? Doesn't sound like the sort of campaign that would want to employ an extremist.

I note you didn't offer any examples of feminists. Presumably you were just too flabbergasted by the difficulty of choosing from so many wonderful feminists whose example would show me my conception of the feminist movement as a backward, hateful, intellectually inbred, crock, was incorrect.

Out of curiosity, has there been any polling done on what self identified feminists think?

Like how many self identified feminists think the Western world is a rape culture. Or how many self identified feminists think men are all best thought of as potential rapists.

Because that's what we're really arguing about. I think that number is high, and you think that number is low.

[–]Celot -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I do assume most women aren't feminists, because as your own source demonstrates 77% aren't.

So then you're wrong about 1 in 4! Congradufuckinglations!

It actually is a large jump, given that 1/3 is 17% less than 1/2,

You can't multiply 2 and 4, those are completely different numbers!

Oh, I'm sorry, did you have a point? Let's see actual math there pal.

Given less than 50% of the population votes assigning all 31% of the population to one party or another seems self serving.

GIVE ME A SOURCE. I gave you one. If you want to disprove it, let's see the numbers! No bullshit.

No dear, I'm not stupid, I just recognize that there are feminists who literally do refer to bras as torture devices, and was referring to instances where they were doing actual harm in the real world as opposed to just burning clothing they paid for themselves.

Source?

The hatred of transexuals is still very prominent in feminist circles whether you like it or not, particularly of transexual men (shock).

Yeah, you're right! And Catholicism is harsh on homosexuals. Doesn't make every Catholic evil or even the Church as a whole a bad thing. The organization also does a ton of charity. There is no such thing as a perfect ideology.

It is a mainstream opinion that women who fabricate rape claims should not be prosecuted, as far as I know, literally no feminists are in favour of prosecuting people who fabricate rape claims.

Well congratulations, you just met one! If it's clearly a false claim, please, prosecute the fuck out of them! Women are intelligent adults who can deal with the consequences of their actions.

Schroedingers rapist was and remains popular amongst feminist groups. Would you like to read the article where the black man (Crommunist) seriously argued it was okay to treat all men as rapists because it's okay to treat all black men as criminals? It's still up, he's not taking it down, he's proud of it.

No, that's fucking stupid.

Look, you have beefs with feminism, but guess what? You can have beefs with something without it being EVIL!

Out of curiosity, has there been any polling done on what self identified feminists think?

You can use google just as well as I can.

I note you didn't offer any examples of feminists.

Read again, asshole.

You want examples? Hillary Clinton[2] I bet you could find a lot of women's shelters run by feminists, like this one[3] Jane Fonda who started The Jane Fonda Center for Adolescent Reproductive Health at Emory University in Atlanta I mean, this is from 10 minutes of googling. It's not hard if you bother to look.

I initially missed it because I don't care about your ranting.

Like how many self identified feminists think the Western world is a rape culture. Or how many self identified feminists think men are all best thought of as potential rapists.

You can use google too! Hell, go to a women's subreddit and make a poll! Not that difficult. Also, let's not forget that RAINN doesn't think there is a rape culture

[–]Prometheus46715Genderbeer India Pale Alesexual 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

1/3 is .333 and 1/2 is .5 making the difference between them .17 or 17%

Math.

GIVE ME A SOURCE. I gave you one. If you want to disprove it, let's see the numbers! No bullshit.

Well you could just google voter turnout but I'll do it for you since apparently you think 50% voter turnout is ridiculous.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html

According to this source (citing a project by George Mason university) claims 53.6% of the eligible population voted in the 2012 elections, 37.8% in 2010, 56.8% in 2008 (less than 57% voted when Obama was elected, and the man was considered an icon or a villain, in either case giving the average person a huge incentive to vote). You can look over the rest of the numbers if you like, but it's clear only about half of the population votes in presidential elections, less in congressional ones.

Look you're not allowed to just brush off the transphobia like that. The Catholic church at least tries to appear sorry about actively persecuting gays. You're conceding the point.

Well congratulations, you just met one!

Don't buy it. Not even a little bit. Haven't you heard? If you prosecute women who intentionally lie about being raped to get someone in trouble, actual rape victims will be reluctant to come forward. You're really just betraying your sisters here, and to impress a man no less. Sad.

Look, you have beefs with feminism, but guess what? You can have beefs with something without it being EVIL!

Of course you believe in evil.

You can use google just as well as I can.

Google says there been roughly a bajillion (a conservative estimate) polls stating people are for equality but don't want to be associated with feminists. Not the question I asked, but it's the only result I can get despite many attempts at rewording.

Clinton and Fonda, I'm sorry I guess I should have specified that these feminists be modern. Clinton and Fonda were educated well before the intersectional wave that is the origin of SJWs.

Fonda backed the feminist party in Sweden, the one that wants to ban all public criticism of feminism.

So you lose on Fonda, you get partial credit for Hilary, though I honestly don't think very highly of her either, she hasn't directly endorsed fascism as far as I know.

[–]Celot -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

1/3 is .333 and 1/2 is .5 making the difference between them .17 or 17%

Yup, Those are numbers. You haven't explained why 17% is significant.

Well you could just google voter turnout but I'll do it for you since apparently you think 50% voter turnout is ridiculous.

Nope, I am looking for a source on your conclusion that 33% is the wrong number for democrats. You can still identify as a democrat, but not vote.

Look you're not allowed to just brush off the transphobia like that. The Catholic church at least tries to appear sorry about actively persecuting gays. You're conceding the point.

Where did I brush it off? I said it was a problem, but it didn't make feminism EVIL.

Google says there been roughly a bajillion (a conservative estimate) polls stating people are for equality but don't want to be associated with feminists. Not the question I asked, but it's the only result I can get despite many attempts at rewording.

SOURCE?!

Clinton and Fonda, I'm sorry I guess I should have specified that these feminists be modern. Clinton and Fonda were educated well before the intersectional wave that is the origin of SJWs.

WOW... So they don't count because you are only talking about SJW feminism? Wow.. you are an asshat. I'm not going to keep looking for a true scotsman for you.

Don't buy it. Not even a little bit. Haven't you heard? If you prosecute women who intentionally lie about being raped to get someone in trouble, actual rape victims will be reluctant to come forward. You're really just betraying your sisters here, and to impress a man no less. Sad.

CUT THE FUCKING CRAP. I GAVE YOU A FEMINIST REASON FOR THAT. YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF.