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[–]gavinbrindstarS.A.W.C.S.M: Shadow of Chernobyl 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. What's the deal with the outside fuckery lately? Did they come for the pedo thread and just stick around?

[–]Voein 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can anyone ELI5: What is Giantbomb, their importance, why hiring two men is bad, who is Samantha Allen, and why did she quit because of 'Giantbomb'?

[–]jmarquisoAtari 400 and Trash-80, Yo![S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Giant Bomb is a popular gaming website with a lot of support found here and amongst the gaming community. They actually do a lot of good work and coverage. Though I subscribe to their podcast (the Bombcast), I have to say it's a bit long. Their staff is full of white guys.

Samantha Allen is a freelance journalist who mainly works for Gamespot. She is also a trans woman. She has taken some flack for talking about diversity in gaming.

Samantha Allen was amongst the many people who criticized GiantBomb for their two new hires - more white guys - announced yesterday. There is nothing inherently wrong with the hires themselves, but in the context of a discussion of the lack of female or minority representation amongst staffed (note: not freelance) games journalists, which has been happening for the last week (Basically since Tom Bramwell's "I am Sexist" piece in Eurogamer, in combination with Patreon's recent announcment of investment from a VC). This sparked a backlash noting the lack of women on Eurogamer's staff as well as minority writers sharing how they depend on Patreon - a crowdfunding source - to supplement their freelance income, and therefore a long discussion over twitter and other places about the lack of minority staff in games journalism.

So - in that context - the Giant Bomb hires was a dissappointment for alot, among the critics was Samantha Allen.

Suddenly, Samantha Allen's inbox and twitter account was full of harassment, private email and phone harassment, and the rest. Again - she wasn't the only one doing the criticism, her status as a minority made it worse. This is also not the first time for the GB community to do this (note these are the alleged propagaters - actually a brigade brought about by reddit (tumblrinaction, gaming) and 4chan (/v/)- but there's a lot of overlap). Leigh Alexander, also began writing about her experience appearing on GiantBomb's video cast drunk (note, it's not irregular for male games journos - including the hosts - to show up to the same show drunk as it fits their rambling).

After receiving so much harassment, Samantha Allen announced her exit from Games Journalism.

Edit: It should be noted that Giant Bomb's founders and staffers have all come out against the harassment.

Edit 2 was corrected in how to more appropriately words trans woman.

edit 2: this is the Giant Bomb forum entry on the subject

[–]SuchRadicalSocks 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you have a link to any of the "major" pieces of criticism (particularly Allen's?) published in the time between the announcements from GiantBomb and the Internet Brigade Backlash?

[–]jmarquisoAtari 400 and Trash-80, Yo![S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a link to ground zero in the main post. I wouldn't call it "major" in relation to the backlash, which is typical overreaction from overemotional AJWs.

[–]SuchRadicalSocks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sorry, I don't see the link, and unless you mean something other than the original post here I don't know where to look.

[–]jmarquisoAtari 400 and Trash-80, Yo![S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I meant that. It's hard to parse through so many tweets.

Over the last week or so, most of my RTs were about this subject. The space in time between Giant Bomb's announcement and subsequent quitting of Samantha Allen was less than a couple of hours yesterday.

If you want to sift through my RTs, including World Cup stuff be my guest.

[–]TalkingRaccoonTalkingBowserJr 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was basically just that tweet. "I think in all of this I'm most angry with myself for once honestly believing that @giantbomb would hire someone who wasn't a white guy."

that's it. that's what made all the white babymen so mangry. Just a person of minority hoping that a person of minority would be hired, and expressing disappointment when one wasn't.

[–]SuchRadicalSocks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

.. Geeze. I was expecting at least some sort of criticism, or a blog post, or something.

That's some ridiculously overwrought beardmad, there. O_O

[–]ProudPlatypus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why did I go read the comments on the edit 2 link. Sometimes I wish I could just reach across the internet and shake people.

She has issues!? No, she has 99 problems, 98 are the assholes harassing and threatening her. The 99th problem is that fucking person, that fucking person right there. God forbid somebody might actually want to remove themselves from this sort of situation.

[–][deleted] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The best argument I know against being able to give people a slap across the Internet is the realisation how you yourself would constantly be slapped by every bigot taking offence at your merest mention he is not the centre of the universe.

[–]ProudPlatypus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's probably for the best nobody has such power.

[–]BZenMojoall your neckbeards belong to us 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non-violent resistance exists because the people who start the violence only do so because they're already more violent than any right-thinking person can be.

[–]armedcombatexpert 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]TalkingRaccoonTalkingBowserJr 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some Alex and Patrick reponces too http://i.imgur.com/qK21ZuN.png

[–]armedcombatexpert 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Y'know, if anyone deserves the title "shitlord" it's probably the assholes harassing her.

I don't really agree with what she said, but she shouldn't be harassed like this.

[–]Ughable 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A ton of it did come from the /v/-board on 4chan. They are still making several threads an hour about her.

[–]Grickit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Social Injustice Crusaders

[–]NoxiousDogCloud 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll miss her.

[–]Gaztastic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wish I could say I was surprised, this is the gaming community. Shithead fans who follow shithead sites run by shithead owners who care far more about making sure they're getting the right amount of cookies and pats on the back than changing a single fucking thing or holding themselves accountable.

Brigade harder you shitty nerds. Cis tears power the engine to a brighter future.

On a marginally more serious note a few people who deleted their comments/got moderated hard regarding Samantha Allen's tweets content or tone were somewhat regular posters here and they may need to take a moment to reflect before they go fuck themselves <3

[–]Gaztastic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zoe Quinn has replied to a few anonymous asks on tumblr about this tonight as well, comparably you'd imagine she has a huge foot in the door given her coverage in the last few years and in terms of name recognition and being generally well liked by the supposedly SJW gaming press but she can't get a shot either. Her replies have been good tho.

[–]murder-slingshot 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost like that supposedly SJW gaming press is just as shitty as every other gamer out there.

[–][deleted] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus, dem downvotes.... I thought we were the evil downvote brigade.

[–]Gaztastic 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poor dears just get so emotional.

[–]Gaztastic 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh and here's a reply to someone who got deleted before I could tell them to go fuck themselves, which they should btw.

No, don't just let them pretend it was some legitimate question when she and everyone like her has been living in this reality where websites will talk the talk occasionally but when it comes to anyone getting hired they back the fuck down and hire another white dude because they value their shitty community that's always angry at them for being "SJWs" 10000x more than the values they supposedly hold. This is not a new fucking development, this did not start today in a vacuum, fuck this assimilationist respectability it's ok that Giant Bomb did this for the views and money of hiring more white dudes, the anger of a marginalised person is deserved in every fucking respect.

[–]Gaztastic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Samantha Allen - Comets

Maddie Myers - A GDC Epilogue: Powerful Games Journalist Men I Have Met (or A Magnificent Lesson In Burning Shitty Bridges To Shit People)

Mary Hamilton - Games journalism is a broken business

These were posted here last week and collectively got about 15-20 upvotes if you think this is some isolated incident that just happened today and how were you to know anything about this situation and oh no Samantha Allen is such a big meanie pants angry trans woman how dare she :(:(:( Maybe you could do a seconds worth of research or alternatively print these off at 72 point font, roll them up nice and tight and yes, go and fuck yourself with them.

[–]bobappleyard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Preach o/

[–]Kirbyoto -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Gaming is an outcast medium, a lawless place where the majority of fans are entitled white dudes with nothing to lose and no consequences to fear. Gaming is based almost entirely on the concept of power fantasy: teaching the player that they are the most important and capable person in the world, that they are always right, that they are the best at whatever it is they choose to do. It's no accident that gaming has now become a bloated mess where dissenting opinions are dogpiled with rape threats and violence threats, with no real possible counters. Gaming is a snarling pack of wild dogs, and what's the best you can expect to get out of it? A slightly more inclusive indie platformer? A shooting game where you can play as a woman instead of a man? These are the things people have to fight tooth and nail to get. Imagine if they actually wanted to really change the industry.

In response to Allen's anger and disappointment, a person replied that perhaps the two new hires were "the most qualified people for the job". This is a joke. He didn't mean it like that, but it's a joke. The idea of "the most qualified games-opinion-giver" is a joke. It's a farce. It's a comedy of errors where we get to see milquetoast white dudes stumble through shooters saying things like "yeah this handles okay" and "hey I shot that guy in the face, that was pretty good". This is a task that requires the most capable and highly-trained white dude possible. This is a farce.

Abandon gaming. For your own sakes, for your own sanity, abandon gaming.

[–]NoSoap4life 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Abandon gaming. For your own sakes, for your own sanity, abandon gaming.

I respectfully disagree. If we do this, then we have lost.

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    [–]Sojourner_Truth -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    -5. God, SRS is so worthless when it comes to challenging fundamental assumptions about society and culture.

    [–]Gaztastic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be fair it got brigaded lower and came back up but yeah it's spot on and still in the minuses.

    [–]murder-slingshot -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am entirely done with video games. What an irredeemable medium filled with irredeemable people. I don't know what false allies like Giant Bomb and Rock Paper Shotgun think they are trying to accomplish.

    This is a joke. He didn't mean it like that, but it's a joke. The idea of "the most qualified games-opinion-giver" is a joke.

    Thank you. It's like "the most qualified to review bricks, or bubble wrap. And by bricks, we mean the ones that are constantly smashing against over 50% of our audience."

    [–]SuchRadicalSocks -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The idea of "the most qualified games-opinion-giver" is a joke.

    I thought they were hiring for positions other than reviewers?

    [–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Can we get some links?

    [–]jmarquisoAtari 400 and Trash-80, Yo![S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Here's her goodbye

    I've blocked / reported mosst of hte harassers, so I can't read their tweets / and on mobile so it's difficult.

    [–][deleted] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh shit, this shit is harsh.
    I'm not sure if it's good or bad that I've never looked at the kind of shit women get when they have opinions on "boys things" before now.

    Jesus fuck.

    [–]lysaara 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pretty glad my morbid curiosity was rewarded with a 'this user has been suspended' screen!

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      [–]Gaztastic 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I think what you need to do here is to take your victim blaming and your tone policing and go fuck yourself somewhere very far away from here.

      [–]Plob218 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I can't stop thinking about this. Her comment that "provoked" this is soooo innocuous. The hate the internet has for perspectives besides those of straight white cis men is still shocking even though we see it every single day. If you're a woman (or god forbid a trans women!), all you have to do is make a "figures it's a white guy" joke and they'll ruin your life.

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                  [–]Plob218 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Also:

                  You are really show how inelegant you are.

                  Hilarious!

                  [–]AphelionXII -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I think this whole thing is disingenuous at its core. Giant Bomb is sexist because they don't have equal numbers women to men on staff? Not only is that an incredibly sexist argument, but it is also fallacious.

                  I'm getting really tired of people figuring out that people get made fun of for making fallacious arguments on the internet.

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                    [–]Gaztastic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Go fuck yourself.

                    [–]NoxiousDogCloud 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I got a better idea. Maybe just leave.

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                      [–]Gaztastic 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Go fuck yourself.