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[–]FlyingSpaghettiManLord of Butter 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paradox enacts Absolute Cognatic succession. Didn't know they were Basque.

Anyways, I hope this actually means equality in the sense that they don't care about the gender of the applicant, and only the skillset.

[–]JustFinishedBSG 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Give me my female Norse generals Pdox instead of signing petitions.

I want ma shieldmaidens now

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I second this. Also let me play as unlanded characters so I can be a backstabbing Muslim wife.

[–]Sirfranco4Victorian Emperor 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

/gsg/ is dying over this.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What are they saying over there anyway?

[–]Sirfranco4Victorian Emperor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are saying both Meneth and you are liberals and hurting their white pride and conservatism.

Also that this kind of diversity is wrong because it gives more power to the women, since they ask for equality but actually want more privileges.

[–]cae388Bannerlard -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

t. Bobo, more like.

About 2 of them care, no one else does.

[–]cae388Bannerlard -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dying laughing, more like

[–]AdmiralAkbar1Map Staring Expert 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I can see it now!

Crusader Kings II- Diversity DLC:

  • Women cannot be assassinated.

  • All African and Muslim rulers have +100 monthly piety and prestige bonuses.

  • All European cultures have been removed and replaced with a single culture called "Rape." All female rulers have an automatic claim against all members of Rape culture, and the Aztecs and Mongols (who are now entirely female) will only target them.

  • The Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Papacy of Rome can be permanently destroyed, or can be replaced by a female Matriarch.

  • New traits can be added to male characters called "Mansplainer," "Fat-shamer," and "Slut-shamer"; these mutually increases relations with males by 50, and mutually decreases with relations with females by 100.

  • We've added a new mercenary group that can only be hired by female rulers, the White Knights.

  • Heterosexual marriages can be broken up by female rulers using the "Liberate the Chromosomes!" casus belli. All women whose marriages are dissolved will gain the modifier "sexually liberated" and join your court.

  • All negative effects for the "Homosexual" trait have been removed, and same-sex marriages (and concubines) are enabled. Don't worry, children can still be had through these if a new score, called Oppression, is above 500.

  • New traits have been added: "Transgender," "Non-binary," "Asexual," "Aromantic," and "Otherkin," all of which provide a 1000-point increase in all stats. These traits may be gained or lost at any time through decisions.

  • All Arabic, Muslim, African, Jewish, and female characters have the modifier "Oppressed," which adds +100 opinion to those with the same trait, and -1000 opinion of all white males.

  • The traits "Glutton" and "Lustful" has been renamed to "Body Positive" and "Open-minded," respectively, and all negative modifiers are removed.

  • Republics have been renamed to "Capitalist Oligarchies," and through an event series with a female ruler, may be renamed to "Marxist Utopias."

  • If you're a European Male and your Oppression points are lower than -500, you're at risk of Feminist revolts rising up, who may reform captured nations to have Cognatic Succession rules.

We've also added a new list of achievements:

  • Safe Space- form a kingdom as a female with Cognatic Succession laws and an entirely female court.

  • Oppressed- Creat a non-binary trans homosexual asexual aromantic body positive open-minded otherkin African Pagan female character with Oppression points over 1000.

  • Girl Power!- Dismantle the Patriarchy and Papacy, and replace them with Matriarchs.

  • Mission Accomplished- Have the entire map be ruled by females.

  • Trope Breaker- As a female ruler, ransom a male from prison.

  • Informative Murderporn- After developing the Homosexual trait as a married female, murder your husband and marry another female.

  • Ethnic Cleansing- Wipe out all European males in the game.

Crusader Kings II: Diversity DLC will be available for $0.77 for women, and $1.00 for men.

[–]Raven0520 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (6子コメント)

> 2016

> Victoria III released

> Civilized and Uncivilized nations replaced with Oppressor and Oppressed

> Oppressor nations cannot fabricate casus bellis

> Oppressed nations have no infamy limit and can instantly fabricate any casus belli. Upon the discovery of Great Wars, a oppressor nation earns a free "Dismantle Patriarchy" war goal if it enters said war

> Assimilation can only occur if it's an oppressor ethnicity (all white ethnicities have been done away with and are just grouped in as White) becoming an oppressed ethnicity.

> Prestige points are replaced with Diversity Points, earned by allowing immigrants into your country

> Industry score is deemed too bourgeoisie and replaced with Liberal Arts production, measures how many Liberal Arts degrees are earned per year

> Military score is removed for oppressor nations, for oppressed nations it's renamed Imperialism Defense points

> Literacy score is removed because measuring what percentage of pops can read and write is too western centric and offensive to cultures with no written language. Replaced with Multicultural Percentage, the % non-white pops in your country.

> Reactionary and Fascist parties are removed completely due to being possible triggers

> All parties have Planned Economy as their econ policy because anything else is NeoLiberalism and thus a possible trigger

> All parties have multiculturalism as citizenship policy

> Balfour Declaration event is removed from the game because Israel is a imperialist state and possible trigger for Muslim players

> Oppressor Religions (Christianity, Judaism) can openly convert to oppressed Religions (Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Animism), but not the other way around

> Military and Naval Techs are permanently frozen for Oppressor Nations

> Philosophy Tech tree is changed due to subject being incredibly dominated by heterosexual white males. Tech tree now consists of the various waves of Feminism, the last tech is Critical Theory. Freud is removed from psychology tech.

> Industry tech is revamped due to being imperialistic and bourgeoisie, instead it's replaced with techs involving destroying hierarchies in the workplace, by game end all factories are cooperatives

> Commerce tech is revamped for same reason, all Bourgeoisie Econ School techs are replaced with Marxist-Leninist lines of thought. Banking techs are removed, due to the field being dominated by white men. Central Banking act replaced with "Abolish Currency Act." Other commerce techs center around creating a gift economy.

> Traditional Nuclear Families count as 0.5 Pops, Single White Females count as 0.8, Traditional Nuclear Nonwhite Families count as 1, Single Nonwhite females count as 1.5, any single or married nonwhite noncisgendered nonheterosexual person counts as 2.

> Political Reforms include: Abolish Bourgeoisie Freedom of Speech, Disband Military, Implement Shariah

> Social Reforms include: Legalize Gay Weed, Ban Violent Videogames, Distribute Antisemitic Propaganda, Distribute Anti-Christian Propaganda, Ban Public Displays of Heterosexuality

> National Focuses include: Encourage Women in STEM fields, Encourage Women in the Humanities, Encourage Women in Business, Encourage Interracial Relationships (excluding white male, nonwhite person relationships), Encourage Conversion from Oppressor Religions, Encourage Class Consciousness

> Oppressed Nations get huge research bonus, Oppressors get a huge penalty

> Scramble for Africa completely removed, instead of the Berlin Conference, oppressed nations get together and decide what oppressors have to pay as reparations, who must open their borders, and who must give free technologies to them

> When the game ends in 1919, nations are not ranked by scores because that would be hierarchical and may hurt players self esteem. Instead every country is pronounced equal, sexism and racism are over, and capitalism abolished.

I would like to say I typed all that as a joke, I don't think this petition is a bad thing, and I don't think Paradox will get taken over by SJWs, but sometimes I wonder what would happen if they did.

[–]AdmiralAkbar1Map Staring Expert 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did this inspire you?

[–]Raven0520 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That last line just kills me. Literally, I can't even.

[–]PlayMp1Scheming Duke 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

>France has a permanent casus belli on every nation

At diplomatic technology 22 in Art of War... that's what happens. Mind you, it's not only France, it's everyone, but still.

[–]adlerchenDrunk City Planner -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oppressed nations have no infamy limit and can instantly fabricate any casus belli.

So like modern political correctness?

[–]Raven0520 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"You've gained Casus Belli on the United Kingdom: Annex Rotherham."

"Install friendly Labour Government."

[–]Haffnaff 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

a new mercenary group that can only be hired by female rulers, the White Knights.

Brilliant.

In all seriousness though, a mod with all of these features sounds surprisingly fun. I can't wait to rule the Queendom of Tumblria

[–]Raven0520 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gender Wars Mod.

[–]Militron -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The FEMINIST EMPIRE

[–]Fwendly_MushwoomUnemployed Wizard 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • "Possessed" and "Insane" traits have been removed, and replaced by the new Headmates system! Is your character feeling threatened or uncomfortable? Simply switch to an entirely different set of traits by letting one of your headmates "front" for a while!

  • The ruler designer now has a third category under Culture and Religion - Personal Pronouns! No longer will your character be literally raped by not being addressed properly. Also includes plural options for your headmates!

[–]LordOfTurtles 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You forgot to rename the "the fat" title

[–]Fwendly_MushwoomUnemployed Wizard 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Queen Theodora the Body-Positive

[–]AdmiralAkbar1Map Staring Expert 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But changing it is fat Shaming!

[–]Militron -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The currrrvy

[–]GC13Scheming Duke -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ouch. Shots fired.

[–]AdmiralAkbar1Map Staring Expert 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archduke goes down; Great War sparked.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

The petition states;

'Sometimes you have to state the obvious: we will never accept threats, hate, violence or sexism in the name of games. We welcome more diversity. We oppose all discrimination. Games are for all!

Hatred and all kinds of prejudice is nothing we as a collective industry supports. All those who claim to do so in the name of games are doing so with their own personal agenda. Not in the name of games!

I hereby sign to denounce current destructive movements and all forms of prejudice within the games industry.'

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Literally nobody is saying harassment, threats, or bullying are good things, nor condoning them... except Gawker and that Newsweek guy, for some reason.

GamerGate is fighting for actual equality and critical discussion in the games industry.

[–]AdmiralAkbar1Map Staring Expert 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While that may have been the original intent, more polarized parties quickly turned it into "U GUYZ R SOOOO MISOGINYST RIGHT NOW I CAN'T EVEN!!!!!!!!!1!!!!11" "STFU BITCH UR A MYSANDRIST!!!!!!!!1!!1"

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I sure there are some people in gamergate that think that. But all I see coming out of gamergate is harassment and sexism.

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Okay, please bear with me.

Can you please point to an example of what you view as sexism? Bonus points if you can find it on the front page of /r/kotakuinaction.

I'm not asking to be dismissive. But I feel like talking generalities will go nowhere fast, and that it would help to have a specific example to discuss.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Sure, gimme a few hours though I'm on my phone.

My opinions have mostly been formed from personal experience with sexism in games, but if you want something from the front page of KiA check out the moderator list. I'm pretty sure they also moderate some pretty horrid subreddits.

[–]doodep -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Hmm okay lets see, TheHat2 moderates....

hatrights... TiAGaming

yeah okay. I think you're full of shit.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hey, no need to be mean over it. Have a look at some of the others, I'm pretty sure one moderates a subreddit about raping feminists, and another mods a subreddit making fun of the way some feminists look and a anti-bluepill subreddit [read: redpill].

[–]doodep 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Literally LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

david-me moderates some anti-srs boards....but that's it.

Where the hell are you getting the rape feminists thing? You're completely talking out of your ass.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can't get the list of moderators on my phone, but I think the subreddit is called NSFL/r/breakfeminazis if that helps.

[–]Draakon0 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you are talking about /u/oxymuncha? Okay, even if you are talking about him, there are 4 things you need to know.

  1. That sub is fantasy sub. People can't have their own corners in the world for their fantasies, whatever it is?

  2. The actions of few do not represent the actions of many, especially when it comes to GamersGate. The majority matters there and the majority are not doing stupid shite like harassing and being sexist.

  3. GG is about journalistic ethics. I do not see any other narrative being said in either /gg/ over at 8chan or in /r/kotakuinaction.

  4. Being able to differentiate things between fantasy and reality. So /u/oxymuncha moderates a fantasy sub, so what? Does that make him a bad person, especially because he is also moderating /r/kotakuinaction? I don't see /r/crusaderkings players hailing incest and zoroastrianism as the best thing in the world just because they liked to talk about it a lot over there, especially in the context of the game.

[–]doodep -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Breaking Feminist Superheroines

A Fantasy BDSM Subreddit devoted to a Supervillian who enslaves, degrades, and humiliates Feminist Superheroines to teach them their place as women

This Subreddit is centered around creatively exploring Female psychology under imagined speculative conditions in which Feminist indoctrination has been removed.

A Historical Chronicle of the Gender Civil Wars, in which Radical Feminists finally push Men too far, leading to a hot War of the Sexes in which the forces of the Feminist Menace are smashed in battle. What would a hypothetically constructed world in which Feminism has been decisively defeated, and women have been returned to their natural condition as Slaves look like?

For those who want to help contribute to this Subreddit- GREAT source for pictures of Feminists learning their place

Okay, I lol'd.

[–]Militron -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Srs brigades the shit out of everyone

[–]bouchard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj29-hepBiA (Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07keXDCPXtw (Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OLdWrVjILg (Part 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHOn1UsWao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gLmcS3-NI (Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpFk5F-S_hI (Part 2)


Maybe the problem is that instead of looking into what the criticism against Sarkeesian is, you're listening only to what she says the criticism is, when she has a financial interest in people believing that she's only getting death threats and harassment.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll happily watch those videos when I have the time :), but I wasn't talking specifically about Sarkeesian. Personally I'm not a huge fan of her videos.

[–]bouchard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you only watch one, make it from the first three. They address, point by point, her Damsel in Distress videos. InuitInua has another video in which she gives critique of a related panel at Pax East, but it's 30 minutes long.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, I'll bookmark it and watch it when I am home :D

[–]Toiletslave 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no lol

[–]Fellero 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As long as their games keep being about systematic genocide, rape & pillage... I don't give a damn what they think.

That's pretty much what #gg stands for: "think whatever, but don't make boring propaganda games"

[–]Dblitzer 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. GG aside......... the only thing I care about is that Devs make the interesting nuanced games they want. Rather than obsessing over what a bunch of pundits believe their art should be. I doubt we're going to see the "No more concubines" patch for CK2 or the "Stop conquering uncivs and forcing their pops to fight your pointless foreign wars" patch for Vic2.

[–]LLAMATARIANISMVictorian Emperor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

patch for Vic2.

As if that'll ever happen.

[–]Mguy123456789 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good job Paradox. I didn't think there was anything that would make me happier in my purchase of your games.

[–]AMWarfield 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (55子コメント)

I'd like them to define what they believe is "threats, hate, violence or sexism".

"Though specific cases aren’t mentioned, the petition is likely in reaction the a recent spate of abuse and threats directed toward women in games and the GamerGate Twitter campaign" isn't a good sign to me as it's implying that they "side" with individuals such as Anita Sarkeesian who defend sellouts under the guise of social justice

[–]birdboy2000 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Threats, violence, hate, and sexism have been aimed at gamergate supporters as well as opponents and are something everyone should get behind condemning.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (52子コメント)

Sounds like a great sign to me. Gamergate has so far managed to do virtually nothing positive. Its main focus is simply defending itself, its claims of what constitutes "ethical" journalism are extremely vague, its claims of corruption are unfounded, it provides a smokescreen for significant amounts of harassment, and the idea of "objective" game reviews is laughable.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Fun little story about gamergate; I drew a comic about it, soon after one of my friends got a shit tonne of really sexist abuse on twitter for being critical of all the harrasment.

So I never posted the comic out of fear it would happen to me.

Ethics.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Similarly, Felicia Day wrote a post about how she was scared to speak out on the topic of Gamergate.

She got doxxed within 40 minutes.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't know why folks are downvoting you for that, it's a serious point, people shouldn't feel scared to speak out against a movement.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Someone linked it on 4chan, that's why.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh dear, I cut ties with that website years ago.

What have they got against you anyway?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing, usually. But people who feel strongly on the topic are more likely to follow the link and then downvote.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only on 4chan could embracing diversity be so controversial.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure it is anywhere near a majority there either. But there's certainly more people there who strongly oppose the idea of social justice than there are here.

[–]LordOfTurtles 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why is 4chan a bogeyman on this subreddit -_-

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because sometimes they do actually brigade us. I reported it to the admins and they confirmed it, and presumably banned some of them for vote brigading.

[–]LordOfTurtles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You want to /gsg/, starting stirring up shit there and being a general ass, and then get upset when they do the same?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were brigading before I so much as posted there. Note that comment brigading isn't bannable, but vote brigading is one of the biggest no-nos of reddit.

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to wonder how many people coming from there are legitimate subscribers and participants that just saw the link on the site versus anons stopping by.

[–]Draakon0 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That kind of harassment has happened way before GG. Nothing you can do about it, it's the internet. Ignore it and move on. Report to proper authorities as well while you are at it.

Pro-GG does not condemn actions of these few idiots that have been doing it for a long time. Both sides have these idiots falsely carrying their flag. They are trying to sidetrack people from the real issue.

[–]Evavv 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, they managed to make 5 advertisers withdraw from Gawker.
That sounds like a pretty good thing.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Gawker isn't game media. And trying to break down the wall between editorial and advertisement isn't a good thing.

[–]Evavv 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gawker isn't game media.

Kotaku is part of the game media, but I don't see how this is relevant. They are still (partly) responsible for the loss of advertisers, so they did at least something positive.

And trying to break down the wall between editorial and advertisement isn't a good thing.

What does that have to do with anything?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What does that have to do with anything?

The wall between editorial and advertisement is one of the core aspects of journalistic ethics. By trying to break it down (by making advertisers pull out for editorial reasons), one's actively going against journalistic ethics.

[–]Draakon0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

by making advertisers pull out for editorial reasons

Nobody is making them pull out. Advertisers themselves are pulling out because these places where they are advertising themselves are attacking advertisers core audience. If you say bad things about...say Intel customers, expect Intel not to support you.

And boycotting it this way is just one of the very few actions a customer can do in this case. And what's wrong with that anyway?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody is making them pull out.

In which case gamergate did nothing, then? You can't have it both ways.

And boycotting it this way is just one of the very few actions a customer can do in this case. And what's wrong with that anyway?

There's nothing wrong with boycotting. Trying to make advertisers pull out on the other hand has its issues.

[–]AMWarfield 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's brought attention to multiple cases of corrupted journalism, promoting quality reviewers and putting a spotlight on websites such as Kotaku who make money off of politicizing something as lighthearted as video games. I'm not a misogynist for thinking this is a good thing, but I've been called one in the past after making the same case.

This myriad of threats being publicized is a concern but you'd have to be insane to think it's anything more than the 1%> that would think about it. I've seen way more "I've been threatened, I'm the victim, they are attacking me for no reason!" behavior from such figures than actual risk of harm.

The idea of stopping discrimination in media is all well and good, but I can't help but look at something like this and question it because I don't see any actual prejudice in video games, just a lot of empty talk about it.

edit: Searched and found this, was helpful to me: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jk2rq/ama_im_a_female_game_developer_that_has_been_in/

[–]srasmus4 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

such as Kotaku who make money off of politicizing something as lighthearted as video games

Video Games are art. Art matters. Art can be (and often is) inherently political. Games about politics, tend to be political. Games about war, tend to be political. If Paradox made a game, for example, where they represented slavery as a thing that made slaves happier and had lots of pop ups showing slave owners being super caring for their slaves well being without also showing violent opression that would be making a political statement. It is okay to politicize games (who does that even hurt) and no one should be actively punished for it. You shouldn't have to read it if you don't want to (and no one ever made you) but the people who do think games are political should be able to go ahead and do that.

Now does Kotaku give insightful critiques of political aspects in games? Fuck no they don't, they produce a bunch of shitty click bait. But there are other people who do that very well (Rock Paper Shotgun) who are being attacked for it as well.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's brought attention to multiple cases of corrupted journalism,

Examples, please?

putting a spotlight on websites such as Kotaku who make money off of politicizing something as lighthearted as video games

Everything is political. Thinking one's position is somehow apolitical is the quintessential example of privilege. Not caring about social issues in gaming isn't any less political than caring about it.

This complaint in gamergate simply boils down to "don't talk about stuff I don't want to hear about".

I'm not a misogynist for thinking this is a good thing

You're probably not, but by supporting gamergate you provide legitimacy to those who are.

This myriad of threats being publicized is a concern but you'd have to be insane to think it's anything more than the 1%> that would think about it. I've seen way more "I've been threatened, I'm the victim, they are attacking me for no reason!" behavior from such figures than actual risk of harm.

It is almost certainly a minority. However, it is effectively the only effect gamergate has had on anything, and it is how gamergate started (Adam Baldwin coined the name while linking to videos harassing Zoe Quinn). The name is tainted, and the movement completely lacks focus.

The idea of stopping discrimination in media is all well and good, but I can't help but look at something like this and question it because I don't see any actual prejudice in video games, just a lot of empty talk about it.

A simple example would be the armor models women tend to get in games. Sarkeesian's videos cover a lot of negative tropes that are common in games though. I'd recommend giving them a watch.

[–]AMWarfield 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Examples, please?

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

When this went viral, mods of gaming websites including GameSpot, IGN, RockPaperShotgun, Escapist Magazine and NeoGAF, reddit and even /v/, went into full damage control mode and deleted posts and banned users who spoke up about Zoe Quinn.

What the hell, r/gaming?http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/

This helped me when I originally got into this, though it relates more to censoring dissenting opinions rather than the subject at hand. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s4nmr1/?

Everything is political.

You don't have to have a "position" on video games. You can enjoy them without deeply considering the social ramifications of it. The mass censorship of anything besides Zoe Quinn's claimed statement goes far more to show on your second statement than what Gamergate has done to put visibility on it.

The name is tainted, and the movement completely lacks focus.

It had focus on sites such as Reddit, and then it was censored out entirely all over the internet. The semblance of organization is now on 8chan and that's not really a reliable "hub" given as no data is saved and you don't know who is posting what. I agree with you that the name is tainted, but it's too late to have a community-wide movement to change it. As you said, it has little focus and any organization was smashed due to mass censorship.

A simple example would be the armor models women tend to get in games. Sarkeesian's videos cover a lot of negative tropes that are common in games

Having attractive women in attractive clothing to appeal to men is an ages-old idea and doesn't really have a focus on video games. It doesn't translate to how men see women in real life. In real life, there were no women wearing armor; they stayed at home while the men went out to fight and die. Video games are not real life and people enjoy looking at attractive things; you don't see very many fat people.

I can see why this is an issue, however, and it makes sense to bring publicity to it. Sarkeesian does so through countless requests for money and donations, and then doubling back when 4chan gives tens of thousands to something like The Fine Young Capitalists, dedicated to helping women make games because she disagrees with how it portrays her.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

First off I'd just want to note that I'm not the one(s) downvoting you. I wish whoever was would stop, since you're engaging in a very civil discussion.

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

A rambling post about someone's sex life. None of it is relevant to gaming journalism.

When this went viral, mods of gaming websites including GameSpot, IGN, RockPaperShotgun, Escapist Magazine and NeoGAF, reddit and even /v/, went into full damage control mode and deleted posts and banned users who spoke up about Zoe Quinn.

Because you don't report on someone's sex life. The only thing that could possibly be relevant to games media is that she had a relationship with Nathan Grayson, but he never reviewed her game, and never wrote any coverage about her after the relationship started. This would take anyone less than a minute to verify using Google even when it all first started.

No reputable news outlet would touch this with a ten foot rake. Reporting on it would be an actual breach of journalistic ethics.

What the hell, r/gaming?http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2dz0gs/totalbiscuit_discusses_the_state_of_games/

/r/gaming moderators are incompetent. Surprise surprise.

You don't have to have a "position" on video games. You can enjoy them without deeply considering the social ramifications of it.

Not caring is as political as caring. Not wanting to mention it in a review is political support of the status quo. That isn't a bad thing of course, but neither is the inverse.

The mass censorship of anything besides Zoe Quinn's claimed statement goes far more to show on your second statement than what Gamergate has done to put visibility on it.

Reporting on the Zoe Post would've been a breach of journalistic ethics. Since gamergate seems to love the SPJ Code of Ethics, they should read the "Minimize Harm" section. Especially:

Balance the public's need for information against potential harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance or undue intrusiveness.

The public had no need to know about Quinn's sex life, since the one aspect of it that could possibly have some implication on games journalism could be disproved by simply googling "Nathan Grayson Depression Quest".

The semblance of organization is now on 8chan and that's not really a reliable "hub" given as no data is saved and you don't know who is posting what.

So you agree it completely lacks focus?

I can see why this is an issue, however, and it makes sense to bring publicity to it.

Great!

Sarkeesian does so through countless requests for money and donations

She ran a Kickstarter to make a series about it. People decided they wanted to fund it. Is that in any way problematic?

then doubling back when 4chan gives tens of thousands to something like The Fine Young Capitalists

To my knowledge Sarkeesian has never mentioned TFYC. Are you confusing her with Quinn?

dedicated to helping women make games

One thing they're not is helping women make game. They're letting women be idea people. Not that that's a bad thing, but it has virtually nothing to do with actually making games, or the game industry in general. (TFYC also isn't a charity, and there are some legitimate potential issues, but that's not really relevant here)

[–]hayabusa1138 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Grayson, who had already been friends w/ Quinn and where the only evidence that the relationship wasn't romantic at that point came from two people who had every reason to lie, turned an article about a failed TV show about a Game Jam into a commercial for Quinn's upcoming jam.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

where the only evidence that the relationship wasn't romantic at that point came from two people who had every reason to lie

Even the ex agrees that if there was a conflict of interest, it wasn't of a sexual nature:

To be clear, if there was any conflict of interest between Zoe and Nathan regarding coverage of Depression Quest prior to April, I have no evidence to imply that it was sexual in nature.

[–]hayabusa1138 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Regardless if the relationship had turned romantic at the time of writing or not, it soon did. There is also evidence in the form of Twitter postings that imply that the relationship between Grayson and Quinn was not fully professional at the time. And writing an article that turns into practically a commercial for a friend's project is still unethical.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

practically a commercial

One paragraph about Quinn wanting to do an unnamed game jam? I guess we have different definitions of what's "practically a commercial". It is also as far as I can tell the only part of the article that could possibly lead to a need for disclosure.

I'm not saying disclosure would be completely unwarranted in that case, but gamergate is making it out to be far more significant than it is.

[–]Rangerage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's also the RPS article where he puts her game above 49 others and suggests people buy it without disclosing their friendship don't forget.

Onto of that recent evidence had come forward showing that Nathan is actually credited in depression quest since early 2013 which is an additional conflict of interest ontop of their friendship.

[–]Draakon0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because you don't report on someone's sex life...

While true, what about the other thing's that have been happening over the past 3 months (or more) that have not been reported at all by the "mainstream gaming media"? Nobody did stories on TFYC for example, either in the style "hey, there's this thing, you should go check it out" or "hey, what's wrong or not wrong with it". TFYC is something that any gaming media should had run stories on IMO and would had been very accepted by the readers as well.

What about even just talking about the mailing list that got leaked? There was this stream (hosted by Erik Kain), where the editor in chief from Escapist (I think it was) talked about that mailing list. According to him, the narrative around it is misjudged by the public. Maybe true, maybe. But nobody on that list is willing to talk about it more to clear out any false assumptions everyone has about it.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody did stories on TFYC for example, either in the style "hey, there's this thing, you should go check it out" or "hey, what's wrong or not wrong with it".

A lot of things don't end up getting any coverage because journalists don't find them especially interesting.

TFYC is something that any gaming media should had run stories on IMO and would had been very accepted by the readers as well.

Why?

What about even just talking about the mailing list that got leaked?

There's very little to talk about. Press clubs are a completely normal and ethical thing.

Though I'd agree that they could've cleared that up in a better way.

But nobody on that list is willing to talk about it more to clear out any false assumptions everyone has about it.

I've seen several people on the list talk about it in a variety of places. The tl;dr was that they mostly just argued about what might be ethical, or otherwise talked about their jobs. Like people do in all industries.

[–]Draakon0 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Examples, please?

This thread is full of them.

You're probably not, but by supporting gamergate you provide legitimacy to those who are.

Y w8t m8? Why do you even think GG is about misogyny and sexism and not journalistic ethics?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread is full of them.

I'll give you the 1st one.

Even Allistair Pinsof himself doesn't want gamergate to use the 2nd as a talking point, and he's to my knowledge the one who revealed it, not gamergate.

Patreon is a non-issue. It is roughly equivalent to buying someone's games. Not an ethical issue.

The fourth has virtually nothing to do with gamergate. Gamergate barely even mentioned it.

I have no idea what the 5th is talking about, sorry.

So that's one.

Y w8t m8? Why do you even think GG is about misogyny and sexism and not journalistic ethics?

Because that's virtually all gamergate has managed to do. They keep harping on about "objective reviews", which just means "don't write reviews I disagree with".

[–]eorldA King of Europa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hey, haven't you heard? Actually, it's about ethics.

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]Draakon0 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeaaah, every time I visit any pro-GG discussion related sites, I see people talking about boob armor and whatnot. /s

Maybe visit those places for once a while and see what the real narrative is about?

[–]PepperglueLord of Calradia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where have you been? I would be interested to see a pro-GG place discussing boob armor.

I frequent in KotakuInAction, PCMasterRace and such, but I see no mention of boo armor. Please enligten me, I think I've been missing out!

[–]Draakon0 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was me being sarcastic. /u/Fatherlorris picture to me seems to be about that GG is something else then Journalism Ethics.

[–]PepperglueLord of Calradia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I should have seen that coming, I need a new sarcasm detector.

[–]birdboy2000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd consider getting The Fine Young Capitalists funded after the gaming press basically blackballed them a lot more than "virtually nothing". 70,000 dollars for women making video games for charity is big IMO - I just hope the game itself turns out good.

That and getting the Escapist to revise its ethics policy. I don't think that outlet in particular was accused of much, but it can and should be a model for the industry in that regard. Disclosure of or recusal from stories based on conflicts of interest, using "alleged" language and trying to secure more than one source, and not letting advertisers take money for favorable press are the most notable things listed.

If Kotaku, Polygon, and Gamasutra did the same thing, issued an apology for any conflicts of interest in the past and enforced such a policy going forward, they could blow away said "smokescreen". (earlier version of this post said overnight, but IIRC it took a couple days for the Escapist to be taken down from disrespectful nod and there was a lot less bad blood there. Trust isn't easy to rebuild.)

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd consider getting The Fine Young Capitalists funded [...] for women making video games for charity

Not a charity, and not actually about getting women into the industry. "Idea person" isn't an actual job in the industry. Funding it probably isn't bad, but it isn't especially positive either.

getting the Escapist to revise its ethics policy

Okay, that's a minor positive point, sure. Though patreons being a conflict of interest is a strange notion to me.

If Kotaku, Polygon, and Gamasutra did the same thing

Polygon has always had one. Did that stop gamergate from targeting them? Of course not.

Polygon revised theirs to mention patreons. Did that stop gamergate targeting them? Of course not.

[–]Fellero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

its claims of corruption are unfounded.

I don't know dude, did you check the gamejornopros list?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You mean a press club? Something that's been common for well over a century, and isn't considered an ethical issue?

It is a place for games journalists to talk about their jobs. Virtually all industries (journalistic and otherwise) have that kind of thing, and its existence is not evidence of corruption.

[–]Draakon0 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But when that club is all about controlling what stories (or how they are told to the public) get published on media sites, then it is about ethics.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That wasn't what it was about though. See my other reply to you:

I've seen several people on the list talk about it in a variety of places. The tl;dr was that they mostly just argued about what might be ethical, or otherwise talked about their jobs. Like people do in all industries.

[–]Rangerage -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The most telling part of the whole thing is that they remove people who support gamergate from the petition, that makes it pretty clear that this isn't about rejecting those things as much as it is rejecting gamergate.

[–]NotAnneFrank 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (41子コメント)

SJW's are spreading!

[–]Vulpes-Vulpes-FoxVictorian Emperor 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't know, having a gay, disabled, independent, Aztec black woman ruling Iceland is pretty diverse already.

[–]Feezec 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lots of people hate on SJW for lowering stability, but I like converting to their side to get the Holy War CB on Neckbeard Hordes (doxxing national idea OP pls nerf)

[–]anaxamandrus 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but once you convert to SJW you lose most of your manpower so the tradeoff isn't so good.

[–]LLAMATARIANISMVictorian Emperor 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but if you convert it to EU4 you only get to call Doxxades from 13 to 16 years after the start date. After that they're disabled.

[–]PostHedge_HedgehogScheming Duke 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (35子コメント)

...SJW?

[–]srasmus4 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A loaded term for which you will not get a good defintion. The very spawn of satan set on ruining video games for everyone and bullying gamers if you ask a #GamerGater. Angels bringing enlightened feminist critiques of video games and bravely enduring waves of online threats from evil gamers if you ask a SJW.

[–]PostHedge_HedgehogScheming Duke 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Madness. Everyone knows women are actually plants. And here they are, wanting to be treated as people. Pfft!

[–]kaian-a-coel 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Social justice warriors". It's like the holy roman empire thing: they're neither social, nor just, nor warriors. Visit /r/tumblrinaction and /r/kotakuinaction for compilations of their exactions. /r/gamerghazi is a den of SJWs on reddit, visit at your own risk.

[–]bouchard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last I saw of /r/tumblrinaction it had been taken over by people who are rather sexist and racist and the subreddit had shifted away from pointing out the ridiculousness of the SJWs.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (18子コメント)

"Social Justice Warrior". It is a term some people use as an insult (somehow) towards people who disagree with them and support social justice.

It's weird.

[–]Tsumei 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

It's depressing to see you downvoted for this.

I mean, Paradox are a -swedish- dev people. Sweden is pretty fucking in with equality and feminist thought. This is pretty much just being a decent human being in scandinavia.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (11子コメント)

It got linked in a different community, so that's to be expected. I was in the positives until that happened.

[–]Tsumei 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Oh thank god.

Same thing has been happening to most of my favourite "Safe" gaming subs. Sometimes it's hard to tell who the ordinary people are.

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm a regular subscriber here, and I support GamerGate for journalistic integrity.

I also dislike social justice, though that's more or less unrelated.

It seems more and more that "safe" means "no critical discussions". But that seems like a really unhealthy thing to me.

[–]Tsumei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Safe for my purposes, and for most purposes - Means a place where you as a "Non standard" person can be yourself and discuss openly without feeling attacked all the time.

That might feel like "no critical discussion!" to someone who hops in there once in a while, but the fact is that the people who seek out such spaces get that "critical discussion" from several people a day in every other part of their life. They just want one place where they can chill out without having to defend their entire identity from questioning.

As an unrelated edit, I entirely disagree that gamergate has ever or even is about anything other than harassment and abuse. All it seems that hashtag does is either harass people or vehemently argue that they're not harassing people. It's the "I'm not touching you! the air is free!" of internet movements.

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Safe for my purposes, and for most purposes - Means a place where you as a "Non standard" person can be yourself and discuss openly without feeling attacked all the time.

Gaming has always been my place for chilling. I want to make that very clear. Ultimately, the internet (and gaming) is a big equalizer. Whoever you inhabit in the gaming world is irrelevant to who you are as a person.

I want to make it clear that attacking people for who they are is never okay. In fact, attacking the person means you're basically failing to argue. But I do feel pretty strongly that "safe" should means "moderators will remove harassment and flaming", not critical opinions. Because there's a big difference between "someone writes three paragraphs calling you [insult] and [slur]", and "someone writes three paragraphs telling you why you're wrong about something". The latter might be upsetting, but critical discussions are part of life. You're never "safe" from them, and you really shouldn't be. If you're fed up, close the thread and walk away. Nobody's forcing you to engage. Most people have the decency to post this sort of stuff where it's relevant. And if it's off-topic, then okay, there's another legitimate reason to remove content.

My concern, and I hope you can understand where it's coming from, is censorship in the name of protecting people's feelings, and protecting people's feelings in the name of "safety".

As an unrelated edit, I entirely disagree that gamergate has ever or even is about anything other than harassment and abuse. All it seems that hashtag does is either harass people or vehemently argue that they're not harassing people. It's the "I'm not touching you! the air is free!" of internet movements.

Well, nobody's making you research it any further, but you're ignoring all sorts of stuff that's happened. Advertisers wouldn't be dropping companies left and right if they didn't have a reason. I guess "harassment" depends on your definition, because it seems that depending on who you talk to, it can mean "sending threats" or it can mean "they criticized me". Well, sorry, but I don't think the latter counts. Again, critical discussion is an amazing thing, and once you start shutting it down, you're censoring.

[–]Tsumei 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As for your last bit there. I see harassment everywhere. I see friends getting hundreds of notifications from randos, I see doxx, I see people calling for friends to lose jobs.

Every time I meet another geek girl in real life now we talk about how fucking frightening gaming has become as an online culture. I have researched it, Gamergate has done no good - And what you mention about getting people to pull advertisement... Is that not censorship? Is the movement then not targeting specific websites to try to devalue them by claiming to be the consumers of that website?

I'm not going to argue this with you, because I doubt I can ever convince you - And because I don't actually believe good people are still within Gamergate. It started as a movement to harass one woman, and it expanded from there to harass and frighten even more.

Edit: I'll add I didn't respond to the first bit because explaining to minorities how they are allowed to keep themselves physically and mentally safe is a bit... Iffy. "Critical opinion" is often the favourite words of the intellectually dishonest. As a gay woman I've certainly met enough people who felt they had a right to discuss my rights.

[–]pierrebrassau -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It seems more and more that "safe" means "no critical discussions".

And yet gamergaters are the ones sending death and rape threats to people who try to have "critical discussions" of games.

[–]Rangerage -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suggest you research the gamergate harassment patrol, we actively police any threats or harassment to the point where twitter had to rework their reporting system to better allow third parties to report harassment.

[–]srasmus4 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who linked to it?

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/gsg/. They're usually okay and prefer not to be linked to.

[–]Evavv 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

"Social Justice" Warriors.
Extremists who fall under the "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" category of equality.
They are insane extremists who will harass people and call them racist or sexist if they don't completle agree with their insane believes.

Note: Don't mistake them for people who actually care for social justice.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Note: Don't mistake them for people who actually care for social justice.

The thing is that these days it is basically used to insult anyone who cares about social justice and who disagrees with the person doing the insulting.

[–]Evavv 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sure it is abused, that doesn't mean the crazy people I am talking about don't exist.
Somehow they even get articles calling Tomas, the Tank Engine "classist, sexist, anti-environmentalist bordering on racist" published on The Guardian.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't disagree there's some truly crazy people like that out there.

But I find the label completely useless at this point.

[–]Evavv 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's the Internet. Every label has become completely meaningless thanks to morons abusing it to silence their critics.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Decent point. However, sarcastic labels (neither "social justice" nor "warrior" should be considered bad) are far more prone to this than most labels.

[–]Evavv 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not the greatest name, but they are people who justify their shitty behavior by claiming it is in the name of "social justice", so it is kinda fitting.

Anyway, I have to go shed some saxon blood.

[–]Blaggy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

no idea why anyone is getting downvoted in this discussion. It's questions and answers with explanations, not "hurr durr kill the neckbeard/feminazi!" nor "Holy shit people dis-agree with me when I've not even posted an opinion, better make sure no-one see's that discussion!"

Grow up people.

However in line with this Q&A: The SJW has been done to death. Problem is that people see that as a profitable avenue to engage in. "There's all these people who think they are downtrodden. If I tell them that they are they'll give me money! (because people, and not products, are the item to be sold in the 21st Century)". They'll engage in that character-profile and use it to extremes. They'll earn a living doing it. They'll get their 15 minutes like a dog gets its bone. This particular arch-character has gotten to the point where the joke is less extreme than the reality; with people claiming a mass murder is due to their particular brand of opposition less than 12 hours after it happened. It's dangerous because people become so caught up in that character that they cease to be anything relatable to a normal person which is ultimately unhealthy for that person.

Fight for Feminism. Fight for Mens-Rights. Fight for anything if you so desire. Just don't start making and believing in false conclusions. It leads to insanity.

[–]MenethWiki Magnate 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no idea why anyone is getting downvoted in this discussion.

It got linked in a different community. I believe that's the only reason why.

[–]IronChariots -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crazy people exist, but abuse of the label is significantly more common than the phenomenon it describes.

[–]TheCodexxPretty Cool Wizard -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This this this.

They have some really messed up views on what constitutes "equality", and most of it is fairly bigoted. From there, it spun out of control and it gets really extremist in some places. But it always presents itself as "Hi we're here to make sure nobody is being oppressed".

Bigotry masqueraded as equality. And people buy into it.

[–]allthediamonds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's supposed to be an insult against those who believe that, for example, queer people, trans people, disabled people and women deserve to be treated with basic dignity and respect.

Because they RUIN TEH VIDYAGAMEZ, you know.

Congratulations, internet. You did it again.

[–]kaian-a-coel 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also they will gladly delete your signature if your stated organisation displease them. "games are for all! No prejudice! But if you're one of these guys, we'll ban you."

[–]theJalden -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

>Paradox
>“will never accept threats, hate, violence or sexism in the name of games"
>RIP in pepperoni my sides

You heard it here first. I guess HOI4 will have nothing to do with War, Nazis, or violence. But when you look back at it, isn't European history really peaceful, diverse, and totally not racist/sexist/classist?

[–]FriedrichKoelschA King of Europa 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes you have to state the obvious: we will never accept threats, hate, violence or sexism in the name of games. We welcome more diversity. We oppose all discrimination. Games are for all!

From the petition. It's not calling for diversity in games. It's speaking out against the GamerGate 'scandal', since apparently some of the people involved have been sent hate mail.

[–]bouchard -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's easy to sign a petition against a non-existent problem that everyone would be against if it did exist.

[–]timj11dude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good.

[–]Shadedwolf -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So is Paradox done making strategy games based on historical things?

[–]Fatherlorris[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no.

[–]sarmedalwanIron General -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sweden yes

[–]LorkhiMap Staring Expert -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Female succession for republics pls.

[–]zackry93 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their games have been about embracing diversity in a way already. Think of the dlc that has allowed "POC" into the game like Rajas of India and added religions outside of mainstream ones that can be reformed and take over the world. Hopefully this is a PR move for them and all they are saying is we are against discrimination of all kinds and not some SJW bullshit that will make them change their games out of fear of feminism blackmail.

Now the petition is stupid but hopefully has a good reason behind it and isn't a part of gamergate either way and is people actually looking for fairness in videogames while allowing artistic integrity.

[–]Tsumei 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like I should point out they are a swedish dev.

Like. In Sweden feminism has a entirely different reputation to the US, it's actually like 90% accepted as a good thing. So this isn't them being blackmailed so much as them having been raised to value people equally.