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Anita Sarkeesian makes an excellent point regarding the over-representation of men in mass shootings (twitter.com)

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[–]eifersucht12a☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

At first I got to admit, I was a bit put off by her immediate statement of "Ever notice how it's mostly men who do mass shootings?" (Her first tweet, before she clarified here)

It brought to mind how people on the front page thread about the incident and how the top comment was "CNN is sensationalizing the hell out of this, 'Are guns too easy to get' and so on" and I was like yeah, that's not cool...

Then I thought, you know what? Fuck that. You can respect the situation and still want to know what societal factors played into it. It'll always be "not the time" or "too soon" to some people. Eventually you have to stop and say "What the fuck".

I will say, what immediately struck me when I first heard the news of the shooting was that the kid was a freshmen. A freshmen. Somebody with all of high school ahead of them- literally just a couple months into it- made the decision to do what he did. If that doesn't make you want to know fucking WHY, then you're just shoving your head in the sand.

[–]mrscienceguy1 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm just not sure masculinity culture is to blame, this seems like a wider problem stemming from a poorly maintained mental health program.

[–]Sithrak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How would you envision such a mental health program? Monthly in-depth screenings of every citizen? Because even generally sane people can snap/have some hidden proprieties that can surface in some conditions.

You cannot divide the society into "bad"/insane who can't have guns and "good"/"sane" who can have guns. It is not possible without introducing an insanely costly omnipresent control regime that would be an anathema to American values.

A much easier solution would be reducing the number of guns available. But that would kill freedom or something.

[–]TearsForBeards 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh stop it.

Mental wellness isn't the issue.

The discrimination and stigma associated with mental illnesses largely stem from the link between mental illness and violence in the minds of the general public. This link is often promoted by the entertainment and news media. Most citizens believe persons with mental illnesses are dangerous. As a result, Americans are hesitant to interact with people who have mental illnesses. But, in truth, people have little reason for such fears.

It's such a fucking cop-out to blame mental illness. It's absolutely inaccurate; only about 5% of all violent acts are attributed to mental illness and the mentally ill are 10 times more likely to me victims of violence.

[–]lifestyledObjective Reviewer of the Year or Not -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

having mental health issues doesn't mean someone is going to shoot up a place. please, PLEASE stop enabling that narrative.

there are a multitude of issues regarding what leads to a shooting. mental health COULD MAYBE BE A CONTRIBUTOR IN SOME CASES but is not and SHOULD NOT be the only thing talked about.

ok?

[–]mrscienceguy1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where did I say it was the only issue? Mental health and counselling for people at risk of doing these kinds of things ,which isn't all people who suffer from mental illness, it's still a tiny, tiny majority. I want to stress that the lack of any counselling or awareness programs for counselling is also criminally under-represented, and is also a big factor.

You're being hyperbolic in assuming I'm saying that anyone with mental health problems is at risk of shooting up a school or something. I'm well aware it's not the only problem and there are numerous failures of the system unrelated to mental health (such as what happened in Canada re the perpetrator was a repeat felon who repeatedly violated parole).

[–]Dedalus-ILLUMINATI △ SHILL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes mental health is not an issue at all.

[–]lifestyledObjective Reviewer of the Year or Not -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where did I say it was the only issue?

this seems like a wider problem stemming from a poorly maintained mental health program.

if you don't want people to misinterpret your point, be clearer.

You're being hyperbolic in assuming I'm saying that anyone with mental health problems is at risk of shooting up a school or something.

no, I'm trying to shut down the narrative before it starts. as soon as someone brings up mental health, that's all that gets focused on as far as causes go, and I am trying to make sure people see that others do not agree with this narrative.

that's all I'm trying to do. but you're taking it as a personal attack.

that's all I was trying to do.

all.

this conversation is over as we seem to agree.

[–]MRB2012 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

having mental health issues doesn't mean someone is going to shoot up a place.

Certain mental disorders are linked to violent behaviors.

[–]lifestyledObjective Reviewer of the Year or Not 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course they are. but not all disorders lead to it.

I'm simply trying to make sure the stigma of "people with mental problems are dangerous" dies down. that's all.

[–]Dedalus-ILLUMINATI △ SHILL -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop scapegoating people with mental disabilities.