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Romans 14:1 (self.Christianity)
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[–]FusionZ06 -23 ポイント-22 ポイント-21 ポイント 14 時間 前 (23子コメント)
Yeah that's not what it says.
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
This whole /r/christianity is so ignorant and I cannot imagine the fire show the judgment seat of Christ will be.
[–]Xiver1972 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 13 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You are doing the very thing about which this chapter warns against and you are doing it about that very chapter.
Methinks that you are trolling.
[–]Christian UniversalistBravoFoxtrotDelta 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The best kind of troll is the one that might be sincere.
[–]bravesapologist 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 13 時間 前 (5子コメント)
yeah... thats the same thing. Hope you're enjoying your King Jimmy Version!
[+]FusionZ06 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 13 時間 前 (4子コメント)
It has nothing to do about opinions it has to do about doubtful disputations.
[–]Christian (Cross)walkerreuben 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 13 時間 前 (3子コメント)
doubtful disputations
[–]FusionZ06 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 13 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Doubtful disputations = arguments and dissensions that come from a brother who is weak in faith usually the result of a lack of knowledge and instruction.
[–]Southern BaptistGaslightProphet 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Right, you're just describing the same concept with different words, mate
[–]Christian(nondenominational)UnlikelySoccerStar -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Because people with expertise on a subject never disagree. /s
[–]United MethodistThe_Sven 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 14 時間 前 (14子コメント)
Your tone bothers me. It hurts that one Christian would speak to others in the manner in which you have. This isn't about what you said. You feel a harsh truth must be imparted and that is fine. Sometimes harsh truths must be said. This is rather the unkindness that is present in your words.
If you feel you must share something with people, using reason and respectful tones will usually win them over quicker than shouting and disrespect. You have not made an argument here. Only posted a claim that OP is wrong and that he is wrong because he is ignorant.
I thank you for your time reading this, brother, and hope that we can have lively discussions in the future. Go in peace.
[–]FusionZ06 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 12 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Does this tone bother you?
I Corinthians 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Matthew 23:27 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
[–]Christian UniversalistBravoFoxtrotDelta 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
What do these passages, which are reproofs of religious zealots who prey on the weak, vulnerable, and poor have to do with this discussion?
[+]FusionZ06 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 13 時間 前 (11子コメント)
Have you ever read Paul? His tone is sharp and fierce. Have you ever read Acts? Listen to Peter and Stephen tear it up. We have too many weak so-called Christians who don't understand the context of a single Bible passage. It's the typical nonsense here on /r/christianity.
Reproof and rebuke is hard to swallow but a wise man receives rebuke and a fool hates knowledge. Straight up, this forum is full of fools who have never read the scripture in context. It's all about life application - me, me, me!
[–]Christian (Cross of St. Peter)piyochama 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 13 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This whole /r/christianity[1] is so ignorant and I cannot imagine the fire show the judgment seat of Christ will be.
Are you kidding me? This isn't "reproof" or "rebuke", this is just a straight up insult.
[–]United MethodistThe_Sven 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 13 時間 前* (9子コメント)
But you didn't offer any reproof. That implies that you gave reasons why the person is wrong.
All you said was "You are wrong and stupid and going to hell."
Also, you are not Paul [citation needed]. Paul knew how to use his words like a scalpel: cutting at only what needed km be cut so as to do the most good with the fewest hash words. Your words are trying to do surgery with a broad sword: doing mostly harm.
While I applaud your attempt to imitate him and be the guy that says what needs to be said, you very much need to work on how to do good with your words and explain more why people are wrong rather than just that they're dumb.
[+]FusionZ06 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 12 時間 前 (8子コメント)
Reproof? The version of scripture quoted is not an accurate reflection of the text and does not accurately reflect the view of scripture as a whole on this matter. It's like the typical Matthew 7 rhetoric or John 8 woman caught in adultery. God forbid anyone rebuke or reprove. This new "Christian" mindset against "judging" is incorrect. Judging has multiple meanings and judgment to condemnation is to be avoided unless it is done pursuant to the gospel message. Judgment in terms of approving the things that are more excellent and spiritual things and what is right, that is to discern or decide, is something every Christian should practice.
[–]United MethodistThe_Sven 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 12 時間 前 (6子コメント)
You are not listening to what I am saying nor have you addressed my original complaint. I never once said that you are not allowed to tell a brother/sister when you feel they are wrong on an issue. Truly we should be able to speak to each other openly so we might all be able to live better lives. From my original post
You feel a harsh truth must be imparted and that is fine. Sometimes harsh truths must be said.
This is about how all you said in your original post was "You are wrong," though never giving reasons why. And now yes, you can post the reasons after the fact but it does not change that your original post was "You're wrong, stupid, and going to hell."
That is the problem. Telling someone you believe them to be committing unjust acts (while sometimes unpopular) is a good thing to do if you're doing it because you care about them. But all the verses you have posted are surrounded by argument and testimony about why what the people they are speaking to are doing is wrong. Not just that they are "wrong, stupid, and going to hell."
[+]FusionZ06 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 12 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Never said, you're going to hell. Eternal life is a free gift based upon the justification of God received by the faith of a man in the gospel (death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ).
Either way, my point still stands. The text does not say judge no one! It's basically pointless to have discussions on this forum as well as the authority of the scripture is constantly put into question. Without scripture where are the words of God?
[–]United MethodistThe_Sven 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 12 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood you when you said
I cannot imagine the fire show the judgment seat of Christ will be.
Though, I'm sure you can see how when someone invokes imagery of Christ and his judgement and fire how it can be misinterpreted as you telling people they're going to hell.
And you are still not listening to me. This is what you wrote:
Yeah that's not what it says. Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. This whole /r/christianity is so ignorant and I cannot imagine the fire show the judgment seat of Christ will be.
You did not make an argument. All you said was that OP was wrong
Called them stupid
This whole /r/christianity is so ignorant
And said Christ would judge them.
[–]CryHav0c 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 11 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You are a fantastic diplomat. I very much appreciate the way you respond to such needlessly harsh words, full of nettle and spit. Something I should work hard on improving in myself.
[–]United MethodistThe_Sven 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks man. I like to take inspiration from the horses in Gulliver's Travels, though admittedly I've not read the book but only seen the miniseries with Sam from Cheers that was made twenty years ago. Their accent has a very peculiar feature: it is very slow, purposeful, and with pauses after each person speaks. This allows them to very carefully choose their words as they hold communication with an almost sacred level of respect. Never post a claim without backup.
Past that, I love to read Bradbury, Hemingway, and other authors who were very efficient and eloquent in their speech. Star Trek has many fantastic monologues written and performed by Shakespearean trained artists.
Finally, and I feel this is most important, always do what you can to understand your conversation partner (think not of them as adversaries or opponents for when you do your aim will be to cut them down rather than change their mind). You may not agree with them but by understanding where they are coming from and what their intent is you can better address them from a standpoint they will understand and relate to.
[+]FusionZ06 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I'm done discussing this with you. The King James is much clearer on the true context of this passage in light of all of scripture. I made that clear, that was my "argument."
Of course, my brother (or sister as the case may be). Though we disagree I wish you to go in peace.
[–]FusionZ06 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 12 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Philippians 1:9-11 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
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