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[–]Heres_J 191 ポイント192 ポイント  (88子コメント)

I always thought this was kind of unfair to vegans... nearly every time you eat, you end up bringing it up, just as a practical matter (like asking if a particular ingredient is vegan). I think as vegan food becomes more accepted and more well-labeled, they won't have to be so obvious about it. Which will be a nice thing for everybody!

[–]Entes 281 ポイント282 ポイント  (50子コメント)

Its just old when people ask:

"Oh what are you ordering?"

"The veggie sandwich"

"Veggie sandwich? No meat?!?"

"I..uh don't eat meat"

"Fucking militant vegans always spewing their vegan ways at the drop of a hat!!!"

[–]TedTheViking 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"You don't eat no meat? ...That's okay, I make a lamb!"

[–]ishouldbuyagoat 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Working with a lot of Indian vegetarians and being a pescetarian this comes up a lot. Depending on where they are from in their country, they seem to have a different idea of what meat is. Only cows are meat. Only mammals are meat. Birds and mammals are meat. Any animal is meat. One of them ordered beef pho when we went out for Vietnamese food, and told me it doesn't count if its not an Indian cow.

[–]reprehenderitinvol 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In some instances I think they define it by whether or not there's visible meat in the dish. So broths, etc would be fine, but a burger would not.

[–]TedTheViking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha, that's interesting. I guess some regions have relatively generous definitions of "vegetarian."

[–]paradoxicalparrot 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Seriously. I never broach the subject unless I'm asked or invited to eat something. And then I brace for the 20 questions that everybody inevitably asks...

Some people are offended at a basic level that someone doesn't eat meat, animal products, etc., even if they aren't being proselytized to become vegetarian

[–]Entes 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly stopped caring about responding to people's questions after hearing the same 10-20 asked over and over by hundreds of different people over the last 10 years.

I now just say "Its my personal belief" and that generally shuts up the questions.

[–]bodiesstackneatly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But in all actuality why are people vegetarians or vegans

[–]autemox 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. The idea of someone else being vegan is in itself offending to some. Maybe it's because it makes them think about their own choices, and in their mind they offend themselves or prepare themselves to be attacked, becoming defensive.

I find it so awkward how people can get defensive when I've said absolutely nothing about them, all I did was ask the waiter if there's cheese in this or that.

[–]Entes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went out to a Carrabba's one night with family and was ordering between their soup, all I asked was "Is the minestrone soup here made with meat stock?"(Because there are a few restaurants that serve minestrone with meat stock) They said they would go back and ask.

About 10 minutes later the server came and said "There is no chicken or sausage or cheese in the soup, just vegetables. We don't really know the difference between vegetarian and vegan."

I said: "I didn't mention anything about being vegetarian or vegan, I only asked if it was made with meat stock which is a liquid made from meat."

It was as if their whole kitchen got offended that I asked that question and none of them really knew the answer. Luckily their website listed the ingredients for the soups.

[–]PhAnToM444 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Ahh yes the 20 questions game.

"So how do you get protein"

"Oh so do you think animals are like people?"

"Wait so like can I eat meat in front of you?"

"Oh so like does that mean you don't eat insert obvious meat product?"

"Wait so you don't? Then you must only eat salad and grass"

"So then do you eat Insert obvious non meat here"

"Wait so does that make you like anorexic?"

Edit: yes these are all questions I have personally been asked.

For more of this type of questions, for the first time in my life I recommend you go to buzzfeed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILl3_jQNvsM

[–]HelloKidney 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Seriously. Sometimes I just wanted to respond to the question "Really, you're vegetarian??" with "Yes... And to expedite the inquisition I'm positive is about to follow... No, not even eat chicken. Nope, not seafood either. I get it from nuts, beans, lentils, and all the thousands of other veggies. No, I don't crave steaks/chicken/hamburgers all the time. No, I'm neither tired all the time nor anemic. No, I don't feel bad for eating broccoli even though it's alive too. Yes, if I were on a desert island and had to eat a fish or die, I'd probably eat a damn fish. Yes, I suppose if everyone was vegetarian, cows and pigs would take over the planet and we'd all die. ...No, not even bacon."

[–]readysteadyjedi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Starting to think there might be a market in making a "answers to common questions" card or fold up leaflet that you can hand the person when it comes up. "Yes, I'm vegetarian/vegan, here's a card that will answer all your questions, now if you'll excuse me I need to eat these quorn southern fried bites with veganaise and sriracha".

[–]HelloKidney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

MmMmm, that sounds yuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmy...

I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

[–]reprehenderitinvol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quorn makes vegan stuff?! I always find egg whites in the ingredients. Will check again.

[–]readysteadyjedi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Correct, they are not vegan, I was just talking about my favourite veggie pig out meal.

[–]reprehenderitinvol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn you for misleading me! I've heard many a vegetarian tell me those are good.

[–]Life-in-Death -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, quorn has egg, so you might as well have regular mayo.

[–]takingabreaknow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you should make a shirt that says that!

[–]alllitupagain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always ask how long they have been doing it. Should I stop? Im genuinely interested in it and do like a lot of the recipes but can't give up bacon.

[–]HelloKidney 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course not! Personally, I don't find anything wrong with asking questions, or even having a full-on conversation if you're genuinely interested. It's more the negative, prying attitude from some people that gets really old. Like they'll just keep asking different iterations of the same thing because not eating meat is so fucking weeeird and they can't imagine not eating chicken evar!! So they try to find exception clauses or poke holes in your moral philosophy and share every negative story they've ever heard about being vegetarian, etc. If you're not doing that kind of shit you're cool in my book. It's a pretty low bar, I think.

[–]NeatAnecdoteBrother -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You would PROBABLY eat a fish?

You're not helping your case. I guess that's natural selection though

[–]great-pig-in-the-sky 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Try playing bingo!

[–]HelloKidney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha! That's amazing. I've definitely gotten a bingo during a work lunch break before. :D

[–]Tabemashou 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get the anorexic remark waaay too often. Thing is, I've only been vegetarian for the last two years, but I've been extremely skinny all my life... >.> meh.

[–]PhAnToM444 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not even that fucking skinny. I have been a lifelong vegetarian by choice. Ever since I was 5 or 6 I thought meat was just disgusting tasting. Thing is because I hate the texture, I don't like most meat substitutes either which leaves me eating a lot of carbs in its place. I still get the anorexic remark even though I am a 6 foot broad shouldered in shape but a bit pudgy person.

[–]readysteadyjedi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Someone at my wife's old job found out she's vegetarian and said "I'm having a dinner party and one of my guests is vegetarian, what should I make them?" No context in terms of what she's making everyone else, what kind of food the person likes, what things she likes to cook herself, what ingredients she has available, just... "What is the food that a vegetarian eats?"

[–]DialMMM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone at my wife's old job found out she's vegetarian

How can someone be a vegetarian and not know it?

[–]Axilleus -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Man, as a non vegetarian, most vegetarian food looks super weird. I certainly don't know how to make FANCY vegetarian food. I think it's reasonable to ask for recipe ideas.

[–]fougare 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

specially with the context of "dinner party", yeah, if the main course is a chunk of meat, you don't want a plate full of side steamed veggies (though most vegetarians might actually be ok with that!), it makes sense to ask what would be a "fancy" dish to fill up the plate.

To answer... if its a dish that wasn't prepared with egg/milk/meat-broth, just make extra of it, we'll gobble it up

[–]crashpod 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's super easy. I think the big misconception is that you need some version of the meat, so like Tofu is where most peoples brains go and that can be a little tricky to cook, but really if you can do a bean dish or a rice dish, or best of all something with both beans and rice you're pretty golden.

[–]readysteadyjedi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you missed the point.

[–]OneLove_A-Dawg -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly don't think he did. The person cooking was ignorant on the subject and knew he/she was ignorant. The person had no idea so asked a question. The person doesn't seem like they are trying to be insensitive, they just have no idea.

[–]readysteadyjedi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's my point:

No context in terms of what she's making everyone else, what kind of food the person likes, what things she likes to cook herself, what ingredients she has available, just... "What is the food that a vegetarian eats?"

There's no problem with someone saying "I'm having a dinner party and making indian food, what's good and vegetarian" or "My vegetarian friend loves pizza but i only ever make meaty pizzas, what's do you like on a pizza as a vegetarian". A great question would be "what are some dishes/cuisines that can be easily adapted for omnivores and vegetarians?"

Just saying "what food will my vegetarian friend like" without offering any context is kind of a dumb question. It's the kind of thing that comes from people who'll also ask "if you don't eat meat, what do you eat?".

I also think a statement like "most vegetarian food looks super weird" (which I'm aware someone else made) is just.... You realise being vegetarian only removes ONE INGREDIENT off a plate? It's not spacefood! If you make a pasta without meat in the sauce, it's vegetarian. If you substitute a beef patty with a veggie pattie in a burger, it's vegetarian. If you order a salad without chunks of meat in it, it's vegetarian. If you order a steak, your sides are 99% guaranteed to be vegetarian. It's just not that hard.

[–]SEAMEN_STAIN 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait so like can I eat meat in front of you?

Why can't you ask that? It seems like a question to make sure you don't appear disrespectful in front of a vegan/vegetarian to me.

[–]PhAnToM444 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No vegan/vegetarian could have that issue. If you leave your house or go to a sporting event you are probably going to see someone eating a hotdog. I mean maybe one or two of the crazy ones?

[–]sergeantduckie 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah... I've been vegetarian for 10 years and I can't find a reason for it. I've never proselytized to anyone, but I've had people spit such vitriol at me because they found out I don't eat bacon. It doesn't make me angry... just baffles me.

[–]Tomji 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

vitriol

I only ever had this issue twice in my 20 years, so I wouldn't say it's widespread, and only one of them was bad because I was in a military unit and was becoming to get bullied because of it.

[–]TheMisterFlux 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"How do you live without bacon?"

[–]IngwazK 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? My only regular question is "oh? For health or ethical reasons?"

[–]Lonelan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Different is scary. Someone turning their back on 100k years of evolution because they care about the items below us in the food chain is counter cultural.

[–]tylorjams 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit, I can't even imagine an exchange like this. I do live in LA but I've traveled...

[–]Deliziosa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually today I was surprised by a girl who attacked a guy in our class for saying that he brought a salmon sandwich. She instantly asked him "so because you're hungry you think it's okay that those fish have pain?". I was so incredibly surprised because the girl was usually pretty silent and to me vegetarians never seemed like that. Is she the exception?

[–]Entes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are people that will make outbursts about anything. If you tap your fingers on the desk. If you yawn with no hand covering your mouth. If you sneeze on somebody. If you take up too much space of the shared-desk.

Some people are just idiots prone to outbursts. They come from every facet of life. She was an idiot before being a vegetarian though. It is easiest to brush it off like that.

[–]superfudge73 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My ex gf's rabbi told me at Seder dinner it was ok to be vegetarian for health reasons but not for "animal rights" reasons because God put animals on earth for us to eat, and to not eat them is an affront to God.

[–]craigtheman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go back to Tumblr

[–]Poposhka -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this has never happened to you. you made it up.

[–]Entes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last sentence references idiots like you that believe people answering with "I don't eat meat" equates to being a militant vegan.

[–]masedizzle -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Couldn't you just as easily say, "Yeah I want that sandwich." instead of framing it as "I'm having that sandwich because I don't eat meat."

Many of us omnivores don't eat meat at every meal. I don't think I've ever been questioned when eating a meatless meal.

[–]SednaBoo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, since they didn't say that, you kinda proved the point.

[–]Entes 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because you eat a few meatless meals does not change the fact that we eat thousands of meatless meals. We of course will come across more questions than you. Your anecdotal evidence has nothing to do with hundreds of lemmings I come across that regurgitate the same questions over and over.

"Why don't you eat meat?!"

"How long has it been since you haven't eaten meat?!"

"Do you eat cheese?!"

"Do you eat eggs?!" "But eggs are BABY CHICKENS?!?"

"Do you mind if eat meat in front of you?"

"Do you want a bite of my burger?" "But if I eat your food and you eat my burger instead then its not like any extra meat is being eaten?"

"What do you mean eating meat makes you sick?"

And yes, when somebody asks "No meat?!?" saying "I want that sandwich" Literally has NOTHING to do with their question. So in the context of their question and being relevant, you respond to the question that they asked.

[–]conformtyjr 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not a vegan but a vegetarian. It seriously doesn't come up that often. The only people that know are my close friends and family. While it's important to me, it's not that big of a deal.

[–]Life-in-Death 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is probably because you can order many more thinks without question as a vegetarian.

[–]SonofSin17 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, I was actually having a conversation about this just yesterday on askreddit. I'm a vegetarian and somebody told me that people get angry at vegetarians and vegans because not everybody has access to food so the fact that we turn it down is insulting...

And I am a very quiet vegetarian. people who have known me for a long time don't even know, it's just disheartening that people will dislike you no matter what, without even giving you a shot.

[–]tsudeki 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Among my group of friends, my friends bring up the fact that I'm vegan way more than I do. Typically in the form of jokes like, "Yea, you're getting the steak today, right?"

[–]Azrael11 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (23子コメント)

I feel that the issue people have is not with vegans. It's perfectly acceptable to say you're a vegan to avoid food you don't eat. But a minority of vegans, like crossfitters, feel the need to push what they prefer on others that don't live up to their standards. And the vocal minority gets heard, and then stereotyped, and then turned into ridicule and memes.

[–]CakeInTheTub 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

What I've noticed is a lot of the vocal few don't really last long, either. I've had acquaintances go vegan and be very vocal about it. Two months later, there's a dish with cheese on their Instagram. I've been a vegan for two years or more and I still have friends that have no idea.

[–]an_awkward_knight 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've met those, this is basically a conversation I had with one.

"Hey hows it going"

"fine is that an egg sandwich you're eating"

"Yah what about you"

Goes on to lecture me on what horrible conditions chickens live in and how he became a vegan last month

I walk away after a bit

Lunch he's eating a FUCKING PIZZA

[–]Quarter_Twenty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You know, there are plenty of vegan cheeses these days.

[–]CakeInTheTub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but as a vegan, I can kinda tell the difference by looking. Not that I have to if the caption says where the pizza is from/ what's on it.

[–]Chewyquaker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought vegans couldn't eat anything that casts a shadow?

[–]Quarter_Twenty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

?? Everything casts a shadow.

[–]FesteringNeonDistrac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

vegan cheeses

Uh. What are they made from then? Because without milk and rennet, I'm not sure you can call it cheese.

[–]Quarter_Twenty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since there are no cheese nazis restricting usage, I think it falls into the same category as soy milk, almond milk, coconut milk, etc. Dairy people tried to stop those terms from being used on domestic US products, but they failed, and now they are widely called milks. Here's a link to vegan cheeses If you're into it, they can be quite gourmet, and a source of great interest and discussion among vegans, as you an imagine.

Oh, and FWIW, there are plenty of dairy cheeses that don't use animal rennet. Take a close look in the cheese aisle, and you'll see the words "vegetable rennet" quite frequently. Here's a link

[–]CakeInTheTub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's supposed to be like-cheese without the dairy. Usually they spell it differently depending on the brand to emphasize it isn't real cheese. What do you suppose we call it?

[–]theresamouseinmyhous 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man, my SO is vegan and 9 tomes out of 10 the conversation starts not because she's trying to convince people it's a better lifestyle but because they are trying to convince her meat is better.

When that fails a lot if people get really angry like she's attacking them. It's odd.

[–]conformtyjr 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right, there's always the pushy type! It's true in a lot of aspects of life.

[–]LibertyLizard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to say I've known quite a few vegans and I don't remember every having this experience. They must be quite the small minority. Paleo/crossfit/douevenliftbro types are far worse.

[–]whineybutt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i agree. the crossfitting ones are the minority but they make the most noise.

[–]brendax -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well, crossfitting isn't really an ethos. If someone is vegan and full-heartedly believes that your eating meat is evil, it wouldn't make sense for them to not tell you about it.

[–]Cerus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If I felt that eating other animals was unethical (I don't) I think I'd be pretty vocal about it. I admire outspoken ethical vegans, even if I haven't found a convincing argument from any of them so far.

[–]brendax 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It is not logical for a vegan who believes strongly in veganism to not talk about it. It is societal pressure of ostricization that prevents them from doing so.

even if I haven't found a convincing argument from any of them so far.

It is extremely difficult to unwind a lifetime of social conditioning that teaches eating animals is ok. It's a frustrating phenomenon. The argument that worked on me, after a long time of being on the fence, is simply.

  • It is unacceptable to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering (most people accept this)

  • eating meat is unnecessary (this is a nutrition science fact, even though it is harder to get people to accept it)

  • Therefore it is unacceptable to eat meat

I don't believe people are evil or stupid for not reaching the same conclusions I did, I just think if more people researched where their food actually comes from we'd have a lot more vegans.

[–]Cerus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not a great tactic to open by implying that my position is primarily the result of social conditioning. True or not, it's such a condescending statement that you'll alienate everyone you use it on.

Your points are consistent with the view that human pain and suffering is equivalent to non-human pain and suffering. I simply don't agree. My pleasure is worth more to me than eliminating the suffering of a non-human prepared for consumption. You can slippery-slope this view as far as you please until you characterize every meat eater as a serial killer waiting to happen, but I'm simply not swayed with your opinion alone.

That isn't to say I find our current meat eating habits wise. There would likely be a lot of societal benefits from shifting overall consumption to an even greater proportion of plant sources. That it would make people with your convictions happier would be a pleasant benefit.

[–]brendax 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I do not view human suffering as being equivalent. Clearly human suffering is worse, if it were somehow true that animal suffering would reduce human suffering my views would be slightly different, but its not. I view all unnecessary suffering as being a bad thing. Not eating animals does not cause me to suffer at all.

[–]Cerus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not eating animals does not cause me to suffer at all.

I'd hope not, unless you were a vampire or something.

[–]irlgayfag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's the kind of response that causes vegans to be condescending.

Brendax claim: "It is unacceptable to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering"

Creus response: "Your points are consistent with the view that human pain and suffering is equivalent to non-human pain and suffering. I simply don't agree."

Those are substantively different statements. In fact, one can accept human pain and suffering as being 1,000,000 times worse than animal pain and still accept that causing unnecessary pain and suffering is wrong. Don't get in a tizzy about things you don't know and think about the arguments you are confronting.

[–]Cerus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, I was coming at it from the angle that the necessary pain and suffering we inflict on humans was being measured on the same scale as the unnecessary pain and suffering we inflict on food animals. I get how that might be confusing to some.

[–]daimposter -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's perfectly acceptable to say you're a vegan to avoid food you don't eat. But a minority of vegans feel the need to push what they prefer on others that don't live up to their standards.

So like Christians? And Jews? And Muslims? And Yankee fans? This shit happens to every group but vegans get singled out because you don't know someone is a vegan unless they are vocal about it. It's the same issue with the gay stereotype of 'flaming and loud'. You don't notice they are gay unless they are loud and flaming because you just assume the quiet and non-flaming gays are straight.

However, cross fitters, they are actually more guilty of the norm of constantly talking about it.

[–]Ender94 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think when people talk about this they are thinking more along the lines of "I eat vegan because I think its wrong to slaughter poor helpless animals for meat and lock others up to steal their milk and eggs" while everyone else is trying to enjoy their cheeseburger.

[–]UnsungZer0 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea except you guys aren't the only vegans around. I'm basically living with two vegans right now. One is fine and doesn't preach her diet, like you. The other... Good god, this girl will take any opportunity to tell you how bad the food I'm buying is and how unhealthy i am, all while sucking down her organic cigarettes being a self proclaimed alcoholic (like it's cute or somehow cool). Fuck that hypocritical bitch and she's hardly the first vegan i have met like that.

Most vegans might have your attitude and approach, but there are still a lot that aren't.

[–]Heres_J 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, heh... I'm not a vegan. Just sympathizing. Sorry about your crappy roommate! :-)

[–]lhedn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A danish food store chain has sold a pizza marked as vegan, for years, just forgot about the cheese.

[–]franklin_stubbs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The vegan diet will never be accepted, nor should it.

The majority of vegans out there use being a vegan to mask a legit eating disorder. Being a vegan is not normal.

[–]bodiesstackneatly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Accepted? It is fine to be vegan just stupid

[–]DialMMM -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

as vegan food becomes more accepted

Bwaaahahahahahaaaahaaaaa!

[–]NeatAnecdoteBrother -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vegan will never be accepted.

[–]UshankaBear -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a new craze on the block, though. Raw foodism.