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[–]Faryshta 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

/r/anarchism where free speech is considered to be against human rights

[–]Nuke_Europe 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The banning of "hate speech" is considered to be a "human rights" necessity and "human rights activists" are the biggest proponents of such laws.

For example, in Australia, "human rights activists" pushed for a law called the Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill that would have made it illegal to "offend or insult" someone for their "attributes" (including their political beliefs) along with outlawing any expression of religious belief if someone were "offended" by it. The law also would have reversed the burden of proof, since it would declare the "offender" to be automatically guilty unless they could prove their innocence.

In Europe, the "human rights" lobby has pushed for full-blown government surveillance and literal "tolerance camps" for anyone with views deemed "intolerant", including people with "anti-feminist" views and people who express "overt approval of a totalitarian ideology".

"Human rights" groups have tried to get "hate speech" laws passed in the US for decades, but, thankfully, they haven't experienced any success yet.

[–]Faryshta 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"human rights" lobby .... full-blown government surveillance and literal "tolerance camps" ... people with "anti-feminist" views ... "overt approval of a totalitarian ideology".

I count quadruple thinking. George Orwell would feel overhelmed with today feminism

[–]RonaldReaganKing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a conspiracy theory! Into the camps with you!

[–]TheCreepero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, why do you want to nuke europe?

[–]RonaldReaganKing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your rights end where their feelings begin.

[–]Nixon_Cranium 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Freedom is slavery

War is Peace

Ignorance is strength

[–]PresidentCleveland 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/anarchism is worse than srs.

[–]SpurdoBurdo 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

anarchist

why won't the government ban something

wot

[–]justiyt 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Neo-Nazis are a viable political party in Europe? Nah, it's only the U.S. that approves of hate speech and bigotry.

And this is just hilarious

>"As a lifelong anti-fascist"
>wants to censor any opposing view

[–]itspronouncedfloorda 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am an anarchist, /r/anarchism is awful. Those clowns are in there talking about communism and critical ___ theory this, and speciesism, or anarcha-feminism and shit- but say you want to own private property or work for a fair wage they will foam at the mouth at you.

[–]junkiewithoutacause 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they will foam at the mouth

FTFY

[–]itspronouncedfloorda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good lookin out bud.

[–]murderhuman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

anarchism is not just American libertarian ideology

[–]itspronouncedfloorda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for clearing that up. And here I thought Rothbard was the first dude to say "maybe we don't need a state."- it's just the one that fits my morals of not hitting people or taking Their stuff

[–]Faryshta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That place looks like a parody of anarchy itself, it has more rules and mods than any other sub has ever had.

They claim they have another subreddit to discuss new rules... yet the mods implement new rules blindly.

[–]Ravanas 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

> anarchist

> wants the government to do... anything

That word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

[–]therealdirtydan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (127子コメント)

America may approve of hate speech and bigotry, but the rest of the world certainly doesn't.

PFFFFFFTT oh good god and baby Jesus, social justice 2014: use pretty words and sound officious and anything is true!

I'm so so sorry whoever wrote that, wherever you may be. There's nowhere to go but up from here.

[–]Amunium 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's especially amusing because the US actually polices speech more than most other (western, at least) countries. The bleeping of swears on tv, extreme outrage over words like "negro" with no regard for context, etc. are rather uniquely American.

[–]NuclearWookiee -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except the government isn't involved in any of that.

[–]Nuke_Europe 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (123子コメント)

I've actually seen that exact same moronic opinion spouted numerous times before by Europeans, Canadians, Australians, and others. You have to understand that, outside of the US, more or less everyone believes that anything they don't like should be banned by the government, whether it's smoking, burqas, child beauty pageants, advertisements that depict women with unrealistic body sizes, or just opinions that they find "not acceptable". Europeans expect the government to ban things that it disapproves of and they can't even imagine the government disapproving of something without banning it. So, when they see "hate speech" coming from the US, their natural response is to believe that the US government approves of "hate speech" since it's not banning it.

Pretty much everyone outside of the US firmly believes that "hate speech is not free speech" - even the staunchest "libertarians" and "free speech activists" outside of the US fully support "hate speech" laws. For example, at Britain's "Rally for Free Expression", "free speech activists" spoke about the need to ensure that "hate speech" remains outlawed. The concept of US-style free speech is absolutely unfathomable to Europeans and others.

Here are some more screenshots of non-Americans talking about America's freedom of speech:

http://i.imgur.com/y7tAUPd.png

http://i.imgur.com/MoB6rSX.png

http://i.imgur.com/hnpHqlW.png

http://i.imgur.com/zhhXp1l.png

http://i.imgur.com/rfCDDpN.png

http://i.imgur.com/xS2cmUm.png

http://i.imgur.com/DfKqJi8.png

http://i.imgur.com/wYARVBL.png

http://i.imgur.com/yDsKDm6.png

http://i.imgur.com/LufLjCw.png

http://i.imgur.com/ssaoels.png

http://i.imgur.com/n9URSmL.png

http://i.imgur.com/zHDvDtd.png

http://i.imgur.com/Xwyf5hb.png

http://i.imgur.com/UGoQn62.png

http://i.imgur.com/rvrzy2o.png

[–]Ravanas 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I can't even finish reading that shit. It's sickening and terrifying. Plus, it makes my blood boil and I can't yell at them over the internet about it, so it's frustrating as hell too. Fuck these people so much.

[–]gowerskee 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It really sound like you can't even

[–]Ravanas 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I could. But rules of reddit don't let me (probably a good thing for my blood pressure, really). I would love to argue with these people.

[–]alphetasauce 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's like they think they have the right to not be offended. Who gave them that right? That is not a human right or an unalienable right. Are you an adult or a fucking child that needs to be sheltered. European style thought behind free speech is so childish and immature that it blows my mind. What happens when the government does something you don't like? Now you aren't allowed to speak out against it because that would be hate speech against your government.

[–]TheCreepero -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fuck you and your freeze peaches.

[–]NuclearWookiee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've gotta say it is adorable that you 'tards made up a meme to mock free speech.

[–]DrenDran 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You shouldn't be able to say you hate anything. I hate free speech so much.

[–]TheCreepero -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's incredible how you put "freedom of speech" over well-being of fellow humans.

[–]NuclearWookiee -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The well-being of fellow humans has nothing to do with self-censorship and your fee-fees.

[–]rrrrrndm 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

libertarianism is a concept which is pretty much non existent outside of the us.

and yes, i concider child beauty pageants more childabuse than freedom of speech. i would rather be concerned about the lack of freedom of whistleblowing and things like NSL regarding my freedom of speech. you want the freedom to see sexualized children? i want to have the freedom to actually criticize my government other than calling my president a muslim nigger faggot.

i guess we have just different priorities.

[–]Shaella_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank god for the american bill of rights and the strong and enduring effects of it.

[–]TheCreepero 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (51子コメント)

Nuke Europe?

You are a butthurt one. Enjoy fearing for your life. I enjoy my social democracy and all the benefits from it.

[–]Fornad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, because Americans don't want to ban anything they find distasteful! /s

[–]capecodcaper 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They have a shitamericanssay sub, I think its time that a shiteuropeans sub be made or used

EDIT: /r/ShitAmericansSay is here, say hi

[–]Sir_Sack -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just created /r/EuropeInAction, because it needs to exist. But I'm incredibly lazy, so if anyone wants to actually be a mod, PM me. Applications are open to those who:

  • have a suitable posting-history in Himisphere subs

  • are not SRSers/SJWs

  • are not Stormfronters/Nazis

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    [–]Sir_Sack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're now a mod.

    As far as the other sub goes: I'm not interested in taking anything over, and I prefer the "in action" convention to "shit X says".

    [–]Nuke_Europe -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/ShitEuropeansSay

    There's also Shit Europeans Say Bingo: http://i.imgur.com/L98IFZJ.jpg

    [–]Mizeak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm impressed that you somehow managed to get upvoted by spewing bullshit like that, especially while most of your screenshots are just random internet posts.

    [–]ElectReaver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (33子コメント)

    Oh fuck off, as a Swede I completely disagree. Don't generalize an entire continent like that. I'm on my phone now so I can't really elaborate but shit man, we even have the (ex)communist party advocating for net neutrality!

    It's completely legal to say I hate black people and so on. It's just not legal to say hey guys, let's go kill all black people. It's the same fucking law the US has!!

    [–]Nuke_Europe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (20子コメント)

    [–]autowikibot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Section 27. Sweden of article Hate speech:


    Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, faith, or sexual orientation. The crime does not prohibit a pertinent and responsible debate (en saklig och vederhäftig diskussion), nor statements made in a completely private sphere. There are constitutional restrictions pertaining to which acts are criminalized, as well limits set by the European Convention on Human Rights.


    Interesting: Hate speech laws in India | Criticism of Facebook | Hate speech laws in Canada | Hate speech laws in Australia

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    [–]Death_to_SJWs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wow, the /r/ShitAmericansSay brigade is even downvoting the Wiki bot. Could you guys possibly get any more butthurt? I definitely don't agree with Emily's level of over-the-top bile, but Jesus fucking Christ.

    [–]junipertreebush 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The law prohibits making public statements that express disrespect of an ethnic group. I am almost sure that anyone from /r/ShitAmericansSay would upvote that as it makes their case.

    [–]Death_to_SJWs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What "case" are they making that's made by the Wiki link? They were trying to argue that those laws don't exist in Sweden.

    [–]TheCreepero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No better way of showing your acceptance of all cultures than to threathen to nuke an entire continent.

    [–]ElectReaver 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Did you even read what you cited?

    This test has been modified very little from its inception in 1969 and the formulation is still good law in the United States. Only speech that poses an imminent danger of unlawful action, where the speaker has the intention to incite such action and there is the likelihood that this will be the consequence of his or her speech, may be restricted and punished by that law.

    In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, (1992), the issue of freedom to express hatred arose again when a gang of white racists burned a cross in the front yard of a black family. The local ordinance in St. Paul, Minnesota, criminalized such racist and hate-filled expressions and the teenager was charged thereunder

    You are also citing Dan Park several times to make it look like you have more examples then you actually do. But nevertheless, Dan Parks is an interesting case. His art is things like painting prominent people who campaign for equality of people of color with nooses around their necks, which is very borderline a threat.

    Then you cite things like police officers being reported for calling people Roma, which I find odd. How is that important? There was a news story recently of a man who took his bank to court because they granted him a loan he couldn't pay back... people take other people to court for the dumbest shit constantly.

    [–]Nuke_Europe -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Yes, dumbass, I DID read what I cited. Only speech that directly creates imminent lawless action can be penalized. Also, R.A.V. v. St. Paul STRUCK DOWN the St. Paul law against "racist" expressions.

    In Sweden, pastors can be jailed for preaching against homosexuality, as can people who pass out homophobic pamphlets. Almost everyone in Sweden believes that "hate speech is not free speech".

    [–]TheCreepero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    That's because "hate speech" is not FREEDOM OF FUCKING SPEECH you cunt.

    If you want to enjoy your freedoms, you need to carry out your responsibilities. Life isn't without cost. If you can't play along with the society your freedoms should be taken away.

    Just die already. I'm fucking sick of people like you. Thank christ there is an ocean between us.

    [–]Nuke_Europe -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I know logic is difficult for Europeans to understand, but there is absolutely no objective criteria for determining what is "hate speech" and, if certain categories of speech are outlawed, then it's not "free speech".

    If you can handle the big words, then I'd highly suggest you read this: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/02/free-speech-twitter-france

    [–]TheCreepero 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's incredible how someone wanting to exterminate an entire continent gets upvoted.

    [–]Nuke_Europe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because Americans aren't the only people who can't stand Eurotrash and their smug, disgusting attitudes.

    For the record, I grew up in Taiwan.

    [–]NIGERIAN_OIL_MONEY -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Downvoting me won't prove me wrong, /r/ShitAmericansSay. Keep your delicious butthurt tears flowing.

    Yeah, because they are totally gonna cry that racism isn't allowed publicly against a group. American projection right there. As a minority, I'm crying that klan members can't burn crosses in front of my house for my kids to watch. How barbaric.

    [–]Nuke_Europe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remind me again: where are neo-Nazis and fascists a viable political entity that continue to grow in popularity? Oh, that's right: in Europe. Certainly not in America.

    And no, you can't burn crosses on people's lawns in the US, but I wouldn't expect a moronic European to have any idea what they're talking about.

    [–]iownacat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    This is actually frightening! But it sounds like the same couple of jackasses, or just trolls...

    [–]Nuke_Europe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    it sounds like the same couple of jackasses, or just trolls...

    It's not. The views expressed in the screenshots that I posted would be considered "centrist" - if not "libertarian" - in other countries.

    For example: http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/08/why-hate-speech-laws-have-more-in-common-with-fascism-than-democracy/

    The idea of slightly changing federal “hate speech” laws was considered to be completely outrageous by almost everyone in the country, with numerous politicians, journalists, pundits, online commentators, artists, authors, columnists, and others speaking out about the need for strict “hate speech” law enforcement.

    .

    A poll indicated that 88% of Australians believed that all racist speech should be illegal and people even marched against the proposed changes.

    The UN and the "human rights" lobby just successfully lobbied Japan to outlaw "hate speech" too, with thousands of people participating in the "March on Tokyo for Freedom" demanding that the Japanese government outlaw "hate speech". Numerous politicians on all sides have demanded legal restrictions on "hate speech" in Japan, saying that Japan is behind the rest of the world in "human rights" because it lacks "hate speech" laws. And, according to Japanese politician Sanae Takaichi, new "hate speech" laws should be used against people who protest the government because lawmakers need to work "without any fear of criticism".

    [–]iownacat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    thats just insane. Im glad Im getting old....

    [–]TheCreepero -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You believe someone who wants to nuke and entire continent?

    Have you lost your mind? Don't let this libertard brainwash you.

    [–]iownacat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What the fuck are you ranting about? Maybe you don't realize what's coming, but this isn't bullshit. The only thing surprising is how many retards actualy think its a good idea...

    [–]subtleshill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pathetic.

    [–]anarchism4thewin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Looking at your, OP's and other commentators comments, i gotta say, there are people on this sub who are just as if not even more crazy than SRS.

    [–]Selpnirp2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They are utterly insane. It's adorable.

    [–]Abdicator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Relevant username?

    [–]anarchism4thewin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've actually seen that exact same moronic opinion spouted numerous times before by Europeans, Canadians, Australians, and others. You have to understand that, outside of the US, more or less everyone believes that anything they don't like should be banned by the government, whether it's smoking, burqas, child beauty pageants, advertisements that depict women with unrealistic body sizes, or just opinions that they find "not acceptable"[1] . Europeans expect the government to ban things that it disapproves of and they can't even imagine the government disapproving of something without banning it. So, when they see "hate speech" coming from the US, their natural response is to believe that the US government approves of "hate speech" since it's not banning it.

    Yeah, fuck you too racist asshole. As with everything else, some "europeans" (The differences in public opinion between different countries in Europe is so large that to generalise is redicilous, but i don't expect you to understand that) support restrictions on freedom of speech, others don't. And of course there are people in the United States who support restrictions on freedom of speech. Unbelievable that someone would generalise people based on the laws and government in that country.

    I can't believe this was upvoted. This is stuff you would usually find in /r/ShitAmericansSay

    10/10 you rustled my jimmies.

    [–]MRB2012 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've actually seen that exact same moronic opinion spouted numerous times before by Europeans, Canadians, Australians, and others. You have to understand that, outside of the US, more or less everyone believes that anything they don't like should be banned by the government, whether it's smoking, burqas, child beauty pageants, advertisements that depict women with unrealistic body sizes, or just opinions that they find "not acceptable". Europeans expect the government to ban things that it disapproves of and they can't even imagine the government disapproving of something without banning it. So, when they see "hate speech" coming from the US, their natural response is to believe that the US government approves of "hate speech" since it's not banning it.

    There's a reason totalitarian governments have risen to power so many times in Europe and not in the US.

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    [–]murderhuman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    funny an anarchist that hates free speech

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    [–]obommer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I may not support Holocaust deniers, KKK, neo-nazis, Black panthers and so many other groups. But they should never be stopped from voicing their opinions....

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    -MARTIN NIEMÖLLER

    [–]lizardflix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh, to see them live in another country. Americans who spout things like this have never lived outside their country other than maybe their gap year or a week or two at a time on vacation. They have no idea of the day to day restrictions that are common for people in other countries.

    [–]TooAbsurd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They might have, but currently those in power are suppressing the speech they disagree with. They never consider that it may be one day used against them.

    [–]MRB2012 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    And people don't understand why I think violence against Marxists isn't all that bad. Sure they hate and actively work to destroy the very idea of human rights, but that's not a reason to fight them or something!

    [–]Emily_Americana[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Human rights" is Orwellian newspeak. It almost always refers to expanding government power.

    Numerous countries have "Human Rights Tribunals" that investigate and charge people for "hate speech".

    The US is actually the only country that doesn't have "hate speech" laws, but "human rights" groups want to change that.

    [–]SecSub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is there an actual anarchist subreddit on this site, instead of the circle jerk SJW nonsense? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an anarchist of any kind have any disputes with a fellow anarchist, they seem to agree with each other 100%, accept if somebody comes from a dumber strain of anarchism, such as anarcho-capitalism or anarcho-primitivism. Modern anarchists are the new Borg. All groups have hive minds, but I don't think I've ever seen another group with just one.