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ROK writer Matt Forney recently outlined
why women with piercings and tattoos are broken, and in doing so he bruised fragile egos, hurt a lot of feelings, and launched more than one rationalization hamster into orbit. Feminists, white knights, and other social justice warriors lashed out online, mostly in ad-hominem attacks,
including death threats. Is this justified? Is Mr. Forney wrong in his assumptions? What does science have to say about links between body modifications such as tattoos and piercings, risk taking behavior and psychiatric disorders?
Dr. Caveman holds Forney’s claims up to the cold white light of science to see what professional researchers have to say on the matter. For quality assurance, he only looked at peer-reviewed papers that have been published in scientific journals. There is no room for personal anecdotes and hurt feelings in scientific discourse. Facts are facts.
Claim 1: Tattoos indicate slutty behavior
Are women with tattoos or piercings sluttier?
Science says:
Being tattooed is associated with greater numbers of lifetime sexual partners (Heywood 2012), earlier sexual initiation, higher frequency of sexual intercourse and increased preference for oral sex (Nowosielski 2012). In adolescents, tattoos also correlate with the likelihood of having unprotected sex (Yen, 2012), but not in adults (Nowosielski 2012).
Verdict:
TRUE
More sex with more partners = sluttiness
Claim 2: Tattoos indicate lack of foresight
Are women with tattoos less likely to oversee the consequences of their actions?
Science says:
Tattoos indicate impulsiveness (Kim, 1991). In students, tattooing is associated with risk-taking behaviors, including smoking and cannabis use (Heywood, 2012). Participants with tattoos or body piercings were more likely to have engaged in risk-taking behaviors and at greater degrees of involvement than those without either. These included gateway drug use, hard drug use, sexual activity, and suicide.
Gateway drug use was associated with younger age of both tattooing and body piercing. Hard drug use was associated with number of body piercings (Carroll 2002). In Croatian prisoners, tattoos correlated with lower IQs and those possessing them demonstrated significantly higher levels of impulsiveness than the non-tattooed group (Pozgain 2004). An overview of autopsy reports also revealed that persons withtattoosappear to die earlier than those without. A negative tattoo may suggest a predisposition to violent death, but is eclipsed by the presence of any tattoo (Carson 2014).
Verdict:
TRUE
Impulsiveness, increased risk taking behavior, increased change of death = Lack of foresight
Claim 3: Body modifications indicate selfishness
Are women with tattoos or piercings more selfish?
Science says:
Those with tattoos are hostile and prone to delinquent behavior (Kim 1991). Psychiatric patients with tattoos are much more likely to suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder and have an increased likelihood to have previously suffered from sexual abuse, abused substances, or to have attempted suicide. (Sciencedaily). Violence was associated with females having body piercings (Carroll 2002).
Verdict:
TRUE
Antisocial behavior, increased willingness to use violence = selfishness
Claim 4: Girls with tattoos are boring
Do girls with piercings or tattoos have boring personalities?
Science says: Nothing. Correlations between being boring and being tattooed have not been studied. So, it depends how you define boring. Science supports the idea that women with tattoos lack foresight and are selfish and slutty. This does not sound boring to me. But science can tell us a bit about why women get themselves tattooed.
In Polish women, the main reasons for body ornamenting are the desire to enhance one’s individuality and the need to increase sexual attractiveness (Antoszewski, 2010). Likewise, in Americans, three consistent self-identity outcomes for their body art were: it helped me (a) express myself, (b) feel unique, and (c) be myself (Owen, 2013). Together, these reasons suggest a compensation mechanism for low self-worth. However plausible, this theory has not yet been tested.
Verdict:
NO DATA
Claim 5: girls with body modifications are mentally ill
Is there a correlation between tattoos, piercing and increased prevalence of psychiatric disorders?
Science says:
There are links between tattoos and psychiatric disorders such as depression (Heywood, 2012), eating disorders (Carroll, 2002), borderline personality disorder (Raspa, 1990), neuroticism (Pozgain, 2004) and increased risk of suicide (Carroll, 2002). Seven or more piercings, or intimate piercings, described higher risk behaviors and emotional distress (Owen 2013). In high school students, tattoos correlate with suicidal idealization, suicidal attempts, and depression (Yen 2012).
Verdict:
TRUE
Depression, eating disorders, borderline personality disorders and suicidal tendencies are all mental illnesses
Final Results:
YEA
sayers: 4/5 vs NAY
sayers: 0/5
Science supports the idea that girls with tattoos are sluttier, have less foresight, are more selfish and crazier, but it is not just cold-blooded scientists and ROK readers who feel this way: a fairly recent study had male and female undergraduates from the UK rate female line drawings that varied in eight levels of tattooing. Results showed that tattooed women were rated as less physically attractive, more sexually promiscuous, and heavier drinkers than untattooed women, with more negative ratings with increasing number of tattoos. So, ROK stands not alone (Swami, 2007).
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"Results indicate that respondents with four or more tattoos, seven
or more body piercings, or piercings located in their nipples or genitals, were substantially and significantly more likely to report
regular marijuana use, occasional use of other drugs, and a history of being arrested for a crime," the paper continues. "Less pronounced, but still significant in many cases, was an increased propensity for those with higher incidence of body art to cheat on college work, binge drink and report having had multiple sex partners over the course of their lifetime."
Texas Tech University published in The Social Science Journal,
That was what I was thinking. This is a clear cut case of "logic rape." Or it could be "fact abuse." Anyway it is nothing that couldn't be solved with a few death threats.
Brace yourselves!
We are now going to see outright denial of reality, breath holding, and foot stomping from women acting like they were five years old and not getting that pony that daddy promised them.
That kid is growing up right, I doubt he'll ever be an issue. Guns and cowboy hat at that age suggests a masculine father encouraging masculinity in his son.
The comparison, at the expense of that kid, was the heart of the men speaking up for women. One listed to me in his argument "a hero will not be understood by a villain". If the rest of these men, are as naive in how they grew up it is an uphill battle just to get them to grow up, much less accept red pill.
Yeah, I know the context. Was just commenting to defend a kid who is being raised right, not really to counter the actual point you were making. Kids with any kind of toy guns these days is a net positive in my view.
I didn't say anything about have 5 tattoos and 8 piercing, nor did I say anything about being different, special, or unlike other girls. All I said was that there are girls out there that don't come from broken homes, nor are they sluty, and they don't have a mental illness.
If my daughter got a tattoo I'd be wondering where I failed, as I don't want her to have one under any circumstances. It wouldn't make her a "worthless whore." The tattoo itself has no power. For me it'd be a sign that I erred in some way. And while it may not be true that she's suffered emotional trauma, it is prevalent enough among tatooed people of both sexes that it would merit serious investigation.
We don't just get to do whatever we want without encountering judgement. It's part of life. If you're not the stereotypical tattoo sleeve type, it will become evident in time.
'So if your daughter or sister got a tattoo then they are automatically a worthless whore. I can't believe you are so narrow minded.'
you like to think yourself as a magnanimous person, aren't you? if my daughter or sister got a tatto then no they are not automatically worthless whore because i know them all my life. but what if you or your female friends and relatives got a tatto? yes i will assume y'all as worthless whores because i don't know y'all so i go by the rule instead of go by the exception. rule = wide and common, exception = narrow and uncommon, so who's the narrow minded now?
Ha so there are exceptions! I'm not narrow minded I was just proving a point. There are exceptions to the rule and I was finally agreed with. I don't judge people by looks like apparently you'll do. If everybody judged by looks a lot of people would miss out on something great.
'There are exceptions to the rule and I was finally agreed with. I don't judge people by looks like apparently you'll do.'
yes you do, like 99% of women you like to fancy yourself as being 'holier than thou' and 'oh i am not like them because i'm special'.
'If everybody judged by looks a lot of people would miss out on something great.'
if you're consistent with 'there are exceptions to the rule' then you should admit that a lot of people also would miss on something hideous if they judged by looks.
I don't fancy myself any be better than anybody else. And of course I'm an exception like many women because nothing in here pertains to me. I don't judge people by there looks I get to know them before I make any assumptions.
I know what a rule is. I'm not a mindless idiot that judges people and forms options about people based on a few. Besides there was no rule in your statement.
This research is based on a few people. There are always exceptions for the rule. You can't honestly believe that this applies to every single woman with tattoos.
'This research is based on a few people. There are always exceptions for the rule.'
when you meet a tattoed woman you don't know then common sense dictates that you should assume that she is the rule or in other words she is what the article says until she proved that she is indeed an exception. you don't assume the person you don't know as an exception unless you're borderline insane. would you trust your child alone with a child molester and assume "she won't molest my child because there's always exception, she may want to molest every other child she can get her hands on but no, surely not my child because an exception will be established between her and my child".
'You can't honestly believe that this applies to every single woman with tattoos.'
it don't apply to women who were ex slaves and tattoed by her master against her own will, that's about all the leeway i can give.
As much as I may not want to admit it, you have an excellent point. I guess us tattooed women will just have to work harder at proving ourselves to be something different from the norm.
Seriously, if you want to be different from the norm, cook, clean, respect men, dress in a modestly feminine way, and don't go out of your way to show everyone what a "strong empowered woman" you are that can "compete" with men.Those women get laughed at, used, fucked and then dumped, and now we have a generation of very lonely, bitter old women who have lived very sad, childless lives,who have to blame "patriarchy" (which is a joke) for everything they don't have, or have to conginue to whore it up for the slightest semblance of male affection.
I'll respect men, as long as they respect me. I will respect men for who they are if they return the favor. So long as I am treated as an equal, I will happily do things for men. But it's because I want to do it, not because I should do it.
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