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[–]putumban 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (105子コメント)

bestiality should be legal

[–]Hold_on_to_ur_butts 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (101子コメント)

No. No it shouldn't.

[–]likferd 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (87子コメント)

From a pure logical, non-moralizing standpoint, would you care to explain your reasoning? And remember there are already laws in place against animal cruelty.

[–]Zorkamork 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Animals are unable to consent, the practices listed in the 'legal' section are medical and for a purpose of helping the farm along. Caging and castration without drugs can be argued against but that doesn't mean fucking them becomes ok.

[–]tojoso -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you think they would be emotionally harmed by having sex? More emotionally harmed than living inside of a small box watching their family get slaughtered by their captors?

[–]Zorkamork -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So are you a vegan?

[–]iEatMaPoo 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Animals can't give consent. I mean they kinda can but not in a discernible way we can understand. It just makes them easy targets for exploitation.

[–]readforit 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

if a dog comes and humps and fucks a woman that is on all fours, is that not some kind of expression of consent?

[–]EventHorizon182 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

when a drunk girl at a party does it, or a minor, it technically still isnt regardless of the actions sooo idk.

[–]onowahoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you rather be raped or murdered?

[–]Saufsoldat 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (42子コメント)

Last I checked they also can't consent to being confined, chained up and slaughtered, but that doesn't stop anyone.

[–]iEatMaPoo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That stops me. I would say most people are against the cruel treatment of animals in captivity. As for animals being used as food, that is a different argument since eating is a basic human function needed to survive. One reason animals are still kept in such abhorrent conditions is because they can't outright not consent to the treatment.

[–]Saufsoldat 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eating is necessary, eating animals isn't. All I'm asking for is consistency. If we need consent for sex, then we should also need consent for killing.

[–]ScramblesTD 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Biologically, eating animals is a natural part of human behavior.

Fucking them is not. Unless you're referring to the Welsh subspecies.

[–]Saufsoldat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's a really shit argument. Computers aren't natural either, yet that's no reason for why they should be illegal. Likewise, there's "natural behavior" that's illegal, like public nudity.

[–]atomsej 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

So please explain to me why it should be legal? What about sex with a 5 year old? Why should that not be legal and what is the difference between that and an animal?

[–]onowahoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if it were legal to kill a five year old I'd say sex should also be legal. But neither are. Would you rather be raped or murdered?

[–]Saufsoldat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

So please explain to me why it should be legal?

Because it's hypocritical to outlaw sex with animals but allow killing of animals.

What about sex with a 5 year old?

A 5-year-old cannot consent. Did that really sound like a smart question in your head? Are we allowed to kill 5-year-olds for meat?

Why should that not be legal and what is the difference between that and an animal?

Legally, humans have personhood and are thus granted far more rights than any other animal. Really, I shouldn't have to explain the most basic principals of law to you.

[–]atomsej 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How can an animal consent? Wtf?

[–]ScramblesTD -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because it's hypocritical to outlaw sex with animals but allow killing of animals.

Explain.

Because, going by your equally shitty argument, if we shouldn't eat animals due to them not being able to consent to it, then we shouldn't fuck them because they can't consent to that either.

Pull your cock out of the chinchilla and try thinking things through next time.

[–]ancientGouda 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Biologically, having sex with women is a natural part of male human behavior. Going by your argument, this allows us to override any notion of consent, making it acceptable to rape.

Do you see how that doesn't hold up?

[–]treebeardismyfather 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The difference seems to be, from what I'm gathering, the possibility to cause trauma to the animal through nonconsensual sex, such as it is with abuse. The sex is an action that is more individualistic, and I think it makes more sense to compare it to individualistic animal abuse (which can also derive pleasure). I am not trying to say that the way animals are "harvested" and kept in captivity for companies to use as food is moral or right, but I don't think there is such a linear comparison between this and sex with animals. Those are only my thoughts, though.

[–]Saufsoldat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt anyone could inflict damage on a cow's vagina with a human penis.

[–]TheDeadlyFuzz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're worried about animal suffering, doesnt it make more sense for your argument to be we should illegalize killing animals, not legalize fucking them? I'm not a vegetarian, but this argument pops of so often it's ridiculous

[–]Saufsoldat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're worried about animal suffering

I'm not particularly worried about that, I'm just asking people not to be hypocrites.

[–]tomtomdam -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not about the deaths on our hands. It's about survival. It's natural to eat animals, and we have devised many ways to allow us to gain the calories quicker by preparation methods. However, having sex with a different species is a completely different idea. None that I know do it naturally, as it's not beneficial for any species to have interspecies sex.

[–]Saufsoldat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Appeal to nature is not a sound argument. I don't know any cavemen that used PCs.

[–]tomtomdam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You need to look at the science of our species. Why do you think we are so advanced? We are a social species, and by bringing up the issue of ethics vs nature is debatable. It's integrated in evolution - we have learnt ways to supply our entire populations with food that can be breeded. It is a harsh reality, but due to the huge number of humans living on this planet, we must use these methods in order to supply ourselves with food. It doesn't stop the fact that we also have battery farms in conjunction with sales of food as well, and by using these more efficient methods we are able to supply the demand of our own hunger.

[–]Saufsoldat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, that's the opposite of reality. Breeding lifestock is horribly inefficient when it comes to feeding the planet. Think about it. Do you really think giving food to an animal for years and then eating the animal is more efficient than eating the food directly?

Not to mention that none of this is relevant to the fact that there is no proper argument for bestiality being illegal.

[–]tomtomdam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am for animal rights but it doesn't stop major factories from using these methods.

[–]Saufsoldat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good on you for being a vegan, my argument is only aimed at non-vegans. Anyone who eats animals or animal products cannot reasonably complain about sex with animals.

[–]indeedwatson 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That argument would make sense if we cared about animal consent when we eat them.

[–]haxdal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sooo Fucking, bad.. Fisting, good.. ??..

I'm of course talking about insemination in cows, horses and the like.

[–]likferd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a lot we do to animals that we don't ask consent for.

[–]InternetFree 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you can kill and eat them then you can have sex with them.

If you want to ban sex with animals then we also need to ban doing anything else that could potentially harm them.

Nothing else makes logical sense.

[–]iEatMaPoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The logical difference is the fact that making bestiality legal would only serve the purpose of pleasure. Allowing animals to be killed for food serves the purpose of survival. I understand that both aren't in the best intentions of the animal but one obviously serves a more essential cause.

[–]Stummi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, at least my dog can give me an clear understandable consent about belly rubs.

[–]Lumpyguy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Animals can't give consent, sure. But since when did we care about that? We neuter and spay our pets, we kill millions of cows for food; we tug them around in leashes when we deign to take them out on walks. All without their consent.

We kill, mutilate and eat them without giving a second thought as to whether they consent, and no one gives a shit.

It's hypocrisy at its finest.

[–]Corax7 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends, i'd say if a girl takes of her clothes and lies down. And a dog comes in and start humping her, the dog consented to having sex :p

[–]thewitt33 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the actual fuck is going on ITT? Jesus just fuck your own species. Or beat off or buy a sex doll.

[–]Sosken 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just plain common sense.

[–]Hold_on_to_ur_butts -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sorry, but why the fuck are we debating whether or not FUCKING ANOTHER SPECIES should be legal or not? This is wrong on so many levels, how many fucked up people can be on one thread of reddit is beyond me!

[–]likferd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

non-moralizing

[–]Hold_on_to_ur_butts -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not going to dignify the 'rules' of this debate because it's ridiculous!

[–]onowahoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you rather be raped or murdered?

[–]dumpsterbabby 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lets also not forget that reddit has also been trying really hard to justify pedophilia as of late

[–]Feallan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From a pure logical, non-moralizing standpoint, would you care to explain your reasoning?

[–]sirbruce 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes. Yes it should.

[–]Hold_on_to_ur_butts -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh yeah sorry animal rape and abuse should be legal, how could I be so stupid? Jesus you sick fuck!

[–]sirbruce 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who said anything about rape and abuse? We're talking about consensual sex.

By the way, you know we already force animals to have nonconsensual sex with each-other, right? So, we already expose animals to rape and sexual abuse.

[–]Batman5991 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see how that's more sick than the chick grinder

[–]RudegarWithFunnyHat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

compromise could be the human could not be the penetrating party ?

[–]AVeryWittyUsername 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This whole thread is weirdly pro bestiality. Your like the only comment that says otherwise, thank you.

[–]PorcupineTheory 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You both make solid points.

[–]LegendsOfAssthetics 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because it harms the animal.

Unlike killing it for food and raising it in horrible conditions.

And unlike the animal initiating sex with humans.

[–]InternetFree -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because it harms the animal.

So does imprisoning, torturing, sterilizing, murdering, and eating it.

Unlike killing it for food and raising it in horrible conditions.

Uhm.......

And unlike the animal initiating sex with humans.

Huh?

I really don't understand your comment and can't tell if you are being serious. I'm sure some people actually think statements like yours make sense.

[–]Lugonn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[–]JaimeLannister10 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sarcasm.

[–]Batman5991 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was being sarcastic

[–]72scott72 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is legal in lots of places. See here and here for complete lists.

[–]Syahiin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a human being I am a firm believer you should not stick your dick inside animals