Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women

Meghan Murphy       October 8, 2014 Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women2014-10-08T12:37:33+00:00     Blog     70 Comments
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Here is the gist of the video: “LOLLLLLLL WOMEN ARE SO STUPID AND DON’T LIKE OR UNDERSTAND THINGS THAT ARE GOOD. (LOL WOMEN.)” – men
Fuck you, Buzzfeed. All proper ladies drink whiskey. I love whiskey. Friday night may as well be called, “Jameson?” (It’s a “whiskey voice” not a “champagne cocktail voice,” k?). BUT HEY. GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO FIND WOMEN WHO HAVE NEVER HEARD OF WHISKEY BEFORE JUST TO PROVE THAT WOMEN ARE WIMPY IDIOTS WHO ARE ALSO LIKE CHILDREN.
“Ew gross,” one lady says. “I can feel it burning in my stomach,” says another.
That burning feeling is the feeling of  pure, undilluted joy, noob.
Whiskey and scotch have always been presented as “men’s drinks” and even beer, which is experiencing a cultural moment as craft breweries take over city after trendy city (not complaining, nope), is still a bit of a boys club (go to your local craft brewery and find a female brewmaster, I dare ya). More generally, drinking is often treated as a male pass time. Women are offered disgusting sugary things that are pink!, lite! and taste nothing like booze. Back in the good old days, women weren’t even allowed in bars and saloons unless they were prostitutes, so it’s no wonder the glorious world of boozing rejects women unless our participation is obviously and totally feminized in a way that removes us from (respected) drinking culture entirely.
It’s not that women don’t drink and enjoy whiskey, scotch, beer, and bars — we do, trust — it’s that drinking culture is seen as just another male bonding experience. “Why do men get all the good stuff,” you might ask. Well, because, as evidenced by the history of bar culture and male bonding practices, when it comes to to “fun,” men want to do all the good/interesting stuff without us and then ship us in for the pole-dancing/blow job part.
Fuck that. Stop making us out to be no-fun (unless we’re naked and and twerking!), brainless, infantile, boring, nags and give us our whiskey.
Also, I don’t know, man. People who don’t like the taste of alcohol don’t like the taste of alcohol. It’s not, like, a gender thing. I currently have a man in my life who doesn’t like beer or wine (I know and I don’t want to talk about it). Make a video about him. Or make a video of me eating mushrooms and drinking straight vodka, if you want to film people doing disgusting things.
In conclusion, don’t ever listen to anyone who tells you whiskey is “disgusting” and here is a video of me drinking a super hoppy beer (gross you guys — I’ll have a stout):
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Got your back always, whiskey xo.

70 Comments Already

  1. Sara david - October 8th, 2014 at 10:58 am none Comment author #193743 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Men call the shots. No pun intended. Women silently accept their frame of reference or respond. Time to define and construct reality, sisters. Men are often the dumb babies.minalso am fed up with women being described as gossips and shallow. If you only had transcripts of conversations I could not avoid amongst men of all ages and nationalities, you too would be appalled. Get over the gender conditioning and gender war, enabling and colluding.
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 8th, 2014 at 4:53 pm none Comment author #193833 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      I HATE that men accuse women of being shallow and gossipy. Men are equally as shallow and gossipy. It’s total bs.
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  2. Ella Hawthorne - October 8th, 2014 at 11:59 am none Comment author #193760 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    A bottle of Crown Royal never lasts long in my house. I love the stuff.
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  3. amongster - October 8th, 2014 at 2:34 pm none Comment author #193795 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    To be honest, I find whiskey disgusting as I find most alcohol disgusting.
    I don’t get drinking culture at all and the only reason why I don’t have as much fun being out or on parties as people who drink is that I have to deal with them being drunk and remember everything the next day too.
    It’s sexist, stupid and simply lazy to make such a vid or to advertise pink booze to women but I wish I wouldn’t have to prove that I’m one of the cool gals, the proper ladies, by doing what teh menz do.
    My father and many of my relatives are alcoholics who lost their consciousness more than once, vomited and spit blood and had to be taken to casualty by very worried wives and daughters. My ex was drunk when he raped me. My best friend is struggeling with this drug too and nothing makes him stop drinking.
    I often wish alcohol wouldn’t be celebrated and seen as cool and if I was an early suffrage activist I guess I’d be also in favor of prohibition.
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 8th, 2014 at 2:36 pm none Comment author #193796 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      I’m sorry about your experiences… I’m sure many can relate. I’ve certainly had my share of negative encounters with alcoholics and addicts. That said, I love booze and certainly don’t drink to prove anything, never mind that I’m one of the ‘cool gals.’
      Alcoholism and addiction exist because of childhood trauma (mostly) and other mental health issues and because people self-medicate — not because substances exist. I mean, drug use has always been a thing… Alcohol is obviously a pretty widely-accepted/popular kind of ‘drug-use’ but it isn’t, in and of itself, a bad thing… Granted the way some people indulge is super destructive…
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  4. anne cameron - October 8th, 2014 at 3:52 pm none Comment author #193818 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    You can have my share of it, hon. Haven’t had a drink of alcohol in forty years and will probably go another forty before I bother. Like amongster I survived a family which was riddled with drunks…not even high class enough to be called alcoholics, just drunks…my main reason for not drinking is I don’t like the person I become when I’ve had even a couple… the veneer of “civilization” must be very thin, eh?
    But I’m on board with the idea we have got to get rid of these silly gender-based preconceptions. People are people. Feminism brings freedom to men as well as to women.
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  5. ArgleBargle - October 8th, 2014 at 4:11 pm none Comment author #193821 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Why mess up your strong healthy body by putting stuff into it that is ( literally ) poison to it ?
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 8th, 2014 at 4:16 pm none Comment author #193825 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Alcohol isn’t, like, innately ‘poisonous’… Also do you have any clue how much toxic shit/carcinogens we inhale/ingest/absorb every day?
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      • quixote - October 8th, 2014 at 8:53 pm none Comment author #193908 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        (Um, what? Of course is poisonous. It kills cells. 70% (140 proof) ethanol is used as a preservative for biological specimens because nothing, including bacteria, can live in it. The burning sensation is the alcohol doing its best to dissolve nerve endings. The only reason people can drink it is because they don’t drink more than their livers can detoxify. And if they do for some reason they become what the Germans colorfully call a “beer corpse.” Meanwhile, the toxin acting on your nerve cells before the liver gets to it, provide a more or less pleasant altered mental state. But you must know all that. Why do you say it’s not poisonous?)
        All that, of course, tangential. I couldn’t agree more with your main point about Buzzjerks.
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        • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 12:37 pm none Comment author #194185 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          Let me clarify…. Here’s what went through my mind, prompting my response: “Having a glass of wine is ‘poisonous’??”
          Like, alcohol in moderation isn’t bad for you… Certainly not any worse than much of the other crap we ingest, intentionally or otherwise…
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          • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 3:36 pm none Comment author #194237 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Yes, I’ve worked at conferences on healing in indigenous communities, and on suicide (including suicide by usually multiple substance abuse). I also have at least one friend who drank (and smoked) himself to death – though several more where smoking tobacco was absolutely the key factor, including my father.
            I’m enjoying a nice homemade supper (I’m a great cook) and drinking a glass of red wine).
            Everything in moderation.
            I’m sure I’d feel as anne c (brilliant femme) does, if that were my background, but the person who most abused me when I was young was my very violent and screwed-up older brother, who never touched the stuff. He beat the shit out of me and destroyed my “juvenilia” as one refers to the artwork and writing children and teenagers produce if we have the creative bent.
            Of course violent drunks both frighten me and disgust me (just think of Rob Ford, who abused multiple substances, including junk food, and all sorts of people, including women, cyclists and LGBT people) but morally rigid people terrify me as well.
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    • Grackle - October 9th, 2014 at 3:03 am none Comment author #194033 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Because I can’t possibly be perfect in every single aspect of my life and it feels good to drink once in a while?
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  6. Joy-Mari - October 8th, 2014 at 6:41 pm none Comment author #193864 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    It took me and a certain ex-boyfriend a long time to like whiskey. We both thought it tastes like oil. Fast forward a few years and we both enjoy it. I can drink the strong stuff neat; he needs ice and water or ice and Coke. I also went through a cigar smoking phase in my mid-twenties. I’m obviously a dude, yo.
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  7. Missfit - October 8th, 2014 at 7:06 pm none Comment author #193871 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    I’m going to take this opportunity to also vent about women being portrayed as childlike, innoncent, stupid, and how fun and hilarious this must be. I was in my car this summer listening to the radio when I heard a talk about an event called the ‘dream team beach party’ or something like that, which is really about parading women in bikinis. We heard a segment of a quizz game where women in bikinis were asked questions such as ‘what’s the name of the prime minister’ and ‘what is the capital of the united states’. Of course, the women didn’t know the correct answers and said stupid things accompanied with clueless laughs. We also heard men commenting about the event, saying how it was just the most amazing day of their life. What was the whole point of the quizz game? To make women look stupid, of course. But nobody seemed to question this. Beside one radio host passing a comment on how these women didn’t seem like the most brilliant ones, there was no question raised as to what was the point of all that. And the point is that this is what men want to see. These women are paid to do this (yep, everybody needs to make money) because men like that. We don’t see women overtly enthusiasts from seeing men demonstrating their intellectual shortcomings. Women don’t pay for that, don’t demand that. But stupidity in women is deemed sexy and when you think about it.. well, I am just amazed as to how there is not a day that passes when I am not made aware of how men despise women.
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    • lizor - October 9th, 2014 at 1:42 pm none Comment author #194201 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      The constant portrayal of women as silly, infantile and incompetent makes me furious. And I think you are absolutely right – we get barraged with this shit because it reinforces men’s belief in their innate superiority. It results in ignorant guys like John on this and the Emma Watson threads telling us how to do feminism and how to interpret cultural texts. It also encourages copycat behaviour in young women who seek out acceptance and a sense of belonging.
      Men’s incompetence according to the media usually pertains to boring household chores and figuring out what all them crazy bitches are on about. Replacing the toilet paper roll and understanding verbal communication from a female partner is just so HARD.
      It’s all poisonous.
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      • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 2:14 pm none Comment author #194207 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        Exactly. I’m so fucking tired of women being portrayed as no-fun nags or idiot babies. MRAs complain about men being portrayed as imbeciles on TV and whatnot but, as you point out, it’s only in relation to being messy drunks who forget their wives birthdays, again positioning women as boring nags and ruiners of fun.
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        • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 3:42 pm none Comment author #194239 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          It also enforces unequal sharing of household tasks. Yes, women should learn more basic household repair (in my family, my mum was far handier than my dad) and I think all young people should learn the skills taught in what used to be “shop” and “home economics” classes, without the horrible gendered indoctrination, of course, but even taking household repairs into account, women who are working as many hours for pay as their male partners wind up doing far more hours of domestic tasks. There are guys who pretend the can’t possibly do such simple things as chop up vegetables or clean a toilet bowl. Mummy steps in.
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  8. corvid - October 8th, 2014 at 7:07 pm none Comment author #193872 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Although I’m an ex-alcoholic, I don’t begrudge you your whiskey Meghan and I identify with your frustration around women being infantilized in such a way.
    When I was a teen, I drank competitively and prided myself on my ability to drink dudes under the table, to remain stoic under the influence. Of course the only thing I was really doing was injuring myself. Boys and men have a culture of escalation and excess, it’s part and parcel of masculinity, and in doing what I did I was playing into that, not challenging it. By engaging in these games I somehow believed that I would achieve human status in their eyes and thus in my own. The first part of my life was filled with empty and clumsy struggles toward achieving human status, feeling alienated and appalled at all the depictions of women that came my way, internalizing misogyny. I’m glad to be where I am now, in control of alcohol and my own mind (relatively!) Thank you for writing this.
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  9. The Real Cie - October 9th, 2014 at 4:21 am none Comment author #194057 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    I don’t think anger towards inane sexism is ever unreasonable. This shit is being dialed in from the 1950’s.
    Some women like whiskey. Some men don’t like whiskey. Personally, I’m a teetotaler. This wasn’t true 30 years ago when at one point I was puking in a gutter in downtown Denver after drinking a fifth of cheap Scotch.
    My son, who will be 25 next May, used to like Scotch, until he got plastered on mid-grade Scotch and ended up worshiping the porcelain God. At this point he sticks to beer in moderation.
    Buzzfeed can kiss my ass with this one too. Why don’t they have a video of men reacting to whiskey for the first time? I’m sure it wouldn’t be much different. It’s kind of an acquired taste.
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    • John - October 9th, 2014 at 11:04 am none Comment author #194175 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      I could understand why you would wonder why they didn’t show men who have never tried whiskey before but they didn’t and I don’t think you need to read into that so much like it was a sexist statement. They also didn’t show a Hispanic person so should we be offended because they didn’t include that-of course not. Like the author states”I am unreasonably angry” unreasonably being the key word. This reminds me of an author I met who said her work was often looked at as symbolism in writing and English classes where there actually was none intended and she was upset that these teachers still pushed for it. She would have rather they take it at face value.
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      • girlsoftheinternet - October 9th, 2014 at 2:49 pm none Comment author #194219 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        But they also didn’t call it “Whites drink whiskey for the first time” did they?
        This reminds of every other all-too-common time a dude attempted to deny blatant sexism by simply refusing to acknowledge the bloody obvious.
        You, John, obviously also think we are idiots.
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        • John - October 10th, 2014 at 12:57 am none Comment author #194455 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          Of course they didn’t call it that because there was a black woman in the video. Did you even watch it? Not calling anyone idiots just saying it’s not worth getting angry about.
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          • bella_cose - October 10th, 2014 at 8:12 am none Comment author #194575 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Right. Or maybe, it’s not worth getting angry about unless you belong to the group of humans being made fun of using tired, old stereotypes.
            You have no clue what it’s like being a woman, so maybe you should listen to us instead of telling us how to feel.
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        • lizor - October 10th, 2014 at 11:17 am none Comment author #194612 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          “You, John, obviously also think we are idiots.”
          John is projecting.
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  10. John - October 9th, 2014 at 8:18 am none Comment author #194121 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    I drink whiskey almost everyday. I’ve gone on a lot of dates where I’ll buy the drinks and in my experience a lot of women like getting tipsy/drunk but don’t really like the taste of alcohol. Hence those sweet drinks. A lot of women like beer but usually not the stronger tasting ones like IPA’s. I really don’t see what your issue with the video was, It was light-hearted and supposed to be funny-I think you might be interpreting something that isn’t there. At the end of the video there was a link for Americans eating sushi for the first time, I doubt you’d have an issue with that.
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    • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 3:50 pm none Comment author #194240 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      I do like single malt scotch and very expensive brandies (not all are Cognacs, fine brandies are made in other wine-producing parts of the world), and enjoy it very much when a friend serves it to me. I do confess I don’t buy bottles of it not only because of the cost but because it is very potent alcohol and I’m afraid I’d like it too much. I love my wine (with food) and don’t want to go down that road and have to give it up!
      Fortunately I don’t like cheap distilled alcoholic beverages; I find them far too harsh.
      I DETEST sweet beverages, whether they contain alcohol or not. I loathe soft drinks, drink my coffee black and my tea neat and am not even fond of fruit juice. I’ll drink it if travelling and staying at a hotel, when I can’t go buy fruit. I much prefer eating fruit. Unless it is fermented, of course. ;-)
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      • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 5:00 pm none Comment author #194272 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        I hate the sweet stuff too.. Don’t like pop, love wine, most beer (except for the hoppy stuff), love scotch. It’s possible that younger women with less advanced palates might prefer the gross, sweet stuff… Maybe you should try dating women who aren’t 17?
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        • John - October 9th, 2014 at 5:48 pm none Comment author #194295 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          LOL 17, right because all adult women detest sweet drinks. That was a pretty bold assumption considering I haven’t dated a 17 year old since I was 17. You say yourself you don’t like the hoppy beers. I guess you’d hate IPA’s, like I said most women I’ve dated don’t like them either.
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          • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 5:54 pm none Comment author #194297 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Yes, I hate IPAs. But all the women I know who drink beer (which is most of them) love IPAs, so I don’t really get your point. Liking IPAs isn’t a gender thing. You saying that women don’t like the taste of alcohol is weird to me and doesn’t AT ALL match up to my exeperience, 1) being a woman, and 2) being around lots of women. How old are you anyway?
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            • John - October 9th, 2014 at 7:19 pm none Comment author #194326 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
              I said a lot of women don’t like the taste of alcohol-not all. Never said alcohol tastes had anything to do with gender either. A lot of my male friends don’t like the taste so they drink sweet drinks. I personally hate vodka unless it is in a cocktail with a little sweetness. I love long island ice teas-best bang for your buck at a bar. I’ve been a bartender before and people just like what they like. Some people both men and women drink those light and low carb beers because they don’t want to gain any weight but to me they taste extremely watered down. I’ve also known people who won’t drink dark beers because it can stain your teeth. I’m 28, why do you ask?
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              • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 7:24 pm none Comment author #194329 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                If you don’t think it has anything to do with gender, what was the point of your initial comment?
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            • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 7:21 pm none Comment author #194327 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
              Lots of men hate IPAs as well (please note spelling; no apostrophe). Especially the ridiculously over-hopped hipster IPAs,
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              • John - October 9th, 2014 at 8:30 pm none Comment author #194352 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                I didn’t understand why you took it as “Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women”. Who on the video said or implied that?
                It was a stupid video but nothing to get “unreasonably angry” about in my opinion.
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                • JOHN - October 10th, 2014 at 6:20 am none Comment author #194553 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                  Nobody asked for your mansplaining opinion. You’re so self-unaware… the article literally just answered your unwitting “ah duhhhh” inquiries. GIVEN THE CULTURAL PRECONTEXT THE VIDEO PLAYS IN TO, IMPLICIT WITH ITS TITLE “*WOMEN* (=PRECONTEXTUAL NOTION OF SOFTNESS) DRINK *WHISKEY* (WHISKEY IS CULTURALLY CONSIDERED MASCULINE, I.E. NOT SOFT) FOR THE FIRST TIME”, IT IS BLARINGLY OBVIOUS THAT THE POINT OF THE VIDEO IS TO BOND MEN IN THEIR BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING *MASCULINE* THAT WOMEN CAN’T USING EXPLICIT YET IMPLICIT HUMOUR. DO YOU UNDERSTAND JOHN LIKE IF BLACKS TRIED SOME ASSOCIATEDLY “UPPER CLASS” WINE OR SOME KIND OF THING IT WOULD IMPLY QUITE EXPLICITLY GIVEN THE CULTURAL PRECONTEXT(S) THOSE WHO DRINK IT ARE SOPHISTICATED AND THE “BLACKS” AS THEY ARE REDUCED TO IN THE TITLE (THEIR BLACKNESS) JUST “DON’T GET IT HAR HAR” AND THAT WOULD BE AN AFFIRMATION TO THE UPPER CLASS WHITES TARGETED FOR WATCHING AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING OF A BOND (LIKE WHEN A SPORTS TEAM WINS YOU FEEL GOOD SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WERE ROOTING FOR THEM AND OTHERS WEREN’T IT STRENGTHENS YOUR PRIDEFUL RELATION TO THE TEAM AND THEIR CULTURE). JOHN. DO YOU UNDERSTAND. And Meghan oBVIOUSLY meant by “unreasonably” that there are bigger issues than a stupid Buzzfeed video but she’s angry anyway because of its SEXIST EXISTENCE and its being able to ‘work’ as a concept because of consumption.
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                  • lagatta à montréal - October 13th, 2014 at 7:38 pm none Comment author #195692 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                    What is wrong with your keyboard? You do know that there is a difference between the “caps lock” key and the “shift” key, I presume.
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          • bella_cose - October 10th, 2014 at 12:09 pm none Comment author #194622 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            I love IPAs. My favorite right now is dogfish head 90 min IPA. I have met lots of men who don’t like IPAs. In my experience, most people don’t like sweet alcoholic beverages, either. Those who do, tend to be younger.
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        • bella_cose - October 9th, 2014 at 11:16 pm none Comment author #194416 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          Ha! I was totally going to ask if he was dating teenage girls!
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          • lagatta à montréal - October 10th, 2014 at 5:26 am none Comment author #194536 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Teenage boys like sweet alcoholic drinks too. Especially those awful “energy drinks” with lots of caffeine as well as alcohol – and sugary flavours, like soft drinks.
            In the meantime, here the Montréal Police department is recommending that women refrain from taking taxis at night, especially if they’ve been drinking, after some sexual agressors by a or some taxi drivers here. Holy shit, that takes me back to victim-blaming attitudes of 40 years ago…
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  11. Secret Sass (@secret_sass) - October 9th, 2014 at 11:17 am none Comment author #194176 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Drinking alcohol/altering our consciousness has a long and varied human history. Some of that history is painfully gendered. Many suffragettes supported the temperance/prohibition movement not because they hated fun but because they thought too many men were getting drunk and beating their wives on the regular. And of course, today men are free to get wasted for kicks, while a woman getting wasted apparently gives up her right to say no to sex(ual abuse). It seems to me that men are encouraged to tap into their id/wild side/dark side/ whatever you want to call it, while women are not. Perhaps this is because women are both expected to represent the primal id/eternal void AND YET ALSO perform the service of mothering/cleaning up after the exploits of id-dominated, self-obliterating males. The primal id/eternal void side of femaleness doesn’t need and/or can’t handle whiskey, and the housemaid/mommy side can’t do her duty drunk.
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    • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 3:53 pm none Comment author #194243 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Wife beating, but also drinking all of a painfully inadequate paycheque (or pay envelope), and leaving their family without the necessities of life. This is a current theme among temperance advocates in South Asian villages, where very dangerous stuff made in illicit stills makes ravages.
      But of course women need economic and social autonomy.
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  12. lizor - October 9th, 2014 at 1:49 pm none Comment author #194202 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Shit. Jack Daniels has been one of my chosen drinks for a lot of years. If that’s all they think of their female customers, I’ll be switching back to the Irish, thanks very much.
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  13. lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 7:26 pm none Comment author #194331 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    By the way, in the generic sense, it is WHISKY in Canada. For some obscure reason, the transcription of the Gaelic “water of life” was whisky for Scotch, whiskey for Irish.
    In other contexts, “Whiskey” is a US-Americanism (tut, tut) in Canadian English). Like eating a basket of Big Macs.
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 9th, 2014 at 7:34 pm none Comment author #194333 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Oh! Good to know! Thanks!
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      • lagatta à montréal - October 9th, 2014 at 7:55 pm none Comment author #194342 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        Yes, perhaps check all of this (which is very arbitrary) with appropriate sites. I wasn’t saying one was per se preferable to the other.
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  14. Carrie - October 10th, 2014 at 12:29 pm none Comment author #194627 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    I’ve had deeply feminist women react in a sort of “attagirl” way when it comes out that I like whiskey and I find even that kind of annoying. Liking whiskey doesn’t make me somehow special and it’s not some kind of a statement I’m making–and no one would assume it was if there wasn’t this weird, weird assumption that whiskey is for dudes. I hate it. I hate that it in turn makes me look like I’m trying to be some sort of “cool, not-like-other-girls” girl to people because of that. I just like the way it tastes! Just let me drink in peace!
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  15. KiaranSedwig - October 10th, 2014 at 1:58 pm none Comment author #194644 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Meghan, I share your rage; this is obviously a case of biased sample, meant to prove a non-existent point about differences of taste in men and women. However I really wish you didn’t use language that glorified drinking and implied those of us who don’t drink are noobs or not proper ladies. I understand your love of whiskey and drinking culture, I see the appeal too, but I’m really weary of being looked at as no-fun and excluded from groups who bond over drinks the second they find out that I don’t normally drink. And it’s sort of disrespectful to women from cultures that don’t consume alcohol.
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 10th, 2014 at 2:04 pm none Comment author #194646 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Obviously I don’t think that women who don’t drink are not “proper ladies”… I do love drinking, personally. But that doesn’t mean I don’t respect women who don’t. My writing style is “exaggeration for humour’s sake” at times.
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      • KiaranSedwig - October 10th, 2014 at 2:34 pm none Comment author #194657 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        I figured that you were exaggerating at places. I just felt like the problem with the original video was too fold: one, it implied whiskey was a man’s drink that women can’t possibly enjoy; and two, it presented people who don’t drink whiskey as something to laugh at. I understand that as a feminist your priority is to critique the first problem, but I felt you reincorporated the second problem in the process.
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        • bella_cose - October 10th, 2014 at 3:36 pm none Comment author #194673 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          Women are oppressed as a class, but people who don’t drink, or don’t drink often, are not. While I can understand feeling somewhat left out because drinking culture is very accepted, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to include exceptions for every little thing some could get upset about.
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          • KiaranSedwig - October 10th, 2014 at 4:50 pm none Comment author #194694 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            I never made the point that non-drinkers were oppressed, I said as a non-drinking woman I would like not to be made fun of by either buzzfeed or other women. Also as other comments have hinted, drinking can be one of those let’s be one of the boys sort of things ( even when there are no boys left in sight ) and I think it’s both fair and relevant to this blog to question it as a “good thing”. I’d appreciate not being made out to be some kind of weird exception, and this isn’t a little thing. Such language can and does drive away people who are already routinely excluded based on something that shouldn’t matter.
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            • bella_cose - October 10th, 2014 at 5:41 pm none Comment author #194709 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
              No one made fun of you, and this is a feminist blog, so it makes sense that the emphasis is on feminist issues.
              I’ve never heard that drinking per se is considered a guy thing, only that getting wasted and doing stupid shit is a guy thing. I also think drinking is neither good nor bad. It depends on the person doing the drinking.
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              • KiaranSedwig - October 11th, 2014 at 1:48 am none Comment author #194825 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                bella_cose, I feel like I’ve already made the case for this issue being a feminist issue, Meghan has made the case for drinking being considered a male pass time, and that she made some humorous exaggerations. I explained while I understand that it was not written with ill will, some of those jokes were made at my expense and at the expense of those who wouldn’t be familiar with whiskey for whatever reason. Please don’t point-blank deny this.
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                • bella_cose - October 11th, 2014 at 8:48 am none Comment author #194932 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                  “Also as other comments have hinted, drinking can be one of those let’s be one of the boys sort of things ( even when there are no boys left in sight ) and I think it’s both fair and relevant to this blog to question it as a “good thing”.”
                  As I said, I’ve never known any women who think they’re keeping up with the boys by having a few drinks. Women I know do it because they like the taste of alcohol. The frat boy type drinking culture is what I think most people associate with men, and still, while I’m sure there are some women who drink like that to be as bad as the boys can be, I think most people just enjoy getting drunk, at least when they are younger. As for it being a good thing, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. It depends on the person, the situation, and the frequency. But if you think the discussion should be that drinking isn’t good for women, in general, I’d have to disagree.
                  I don’t expect everyone to make exceptions for everything that personally hurts or offends me, and I worry that this expectation that everyone be included in everything will make it impossible for anyone to do anything, because someone’s feelings will be hurt. It’s like intersectional feminism, it was a good idea, and now it’s just a reason for feminists to yell at each other, pointing out the other’s privilege. That can be important in the greater context, but it gets boiled down to being about individuals, and that’s not helpful.
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                  • KiaranSedwig - October 11th, 2014 at 3:12 pm none Comment author #195007 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                    I’ll try to be succinct; drinking isn’t a superior habit, I am not interested in discussing this. I don’t know what you think I feel excluded from, other than drinking circles, which really isn’t something for you to worry about. I’m not trying to silence Meghan, I did a slightly different analysis of the problem with the original video (some of which got carried into her analysis), and submitted it for her consideration. If you don’t care about not unnecessarily making fun of women with different lifestyles/cultural backgrounds, feel free to ignore it. But I am very uncomfortable with your repeated suggestions this is some kind of unreasonable standard in feminism which would stall productive discourse.
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                    • bella_cose - October 11th, 2014 at 5:38 pm none Comment author #195042 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
                      I never said drinking was a superior habit, but neither is not drinking. I never said you were trying to silence Meghan either. I’m not sure how you’re reading this into my comment. Actually, I think I could write anything at this point, and you would take it as some kind of attack. Bringing up how you felt wasn’t unreasonable, if you were just trying to add another perspective. That didn’t seem to be the intention though. Perhaps I was wrong.
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          • amongster - October 10th, 2014 at 11:35 pm none Comment author #194792 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Alcoholism and what it does to the addicts and everyone they are close with is not a “little thing”.
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            • bella_cose - October 11th, 2014 at 8:32 am none Comment author #194922 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
              I’m well aware of alcoholism. I grew up around people in 12 step programs, and I know how alcohol can tear people’s lives apart. I do not see how anything I wrote relates to minimizing alcoholism, or how anything in this article relates to minimizing alcoholism, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
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  16. Mar Iguana - October 11th, 2014 at 1:17 pm none Comment author #194982 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    From Womens Enews:
    Girls believe they need to play down their intelligence to not intimidate boys, according to research conducted by Maria do Mar Pereira from the University of Warwick’s Department of Sociology. “Girls feel they must downplay their own abilities, pretending to be less intelligent than they actually are … and withdrawing from hobbies, sports and activities that might seem ‘unfeminine’,” she said.
    Pereira found that 14-year-old boys believed that girls their age should be less intelligent. “The belief that men have to be dominant over women makes boys feel constantly anxious and under pressure to prove their power–namely fighting, drinking, sexually harassing, refusing to ask for help and repressing their emotions.”
    http://womensenews.org/story/cheers-and-jeers/140808/france-oks-gender-law-girls-play-dumb-boys#.VDk8Lxa0ElQ
    It is the year 2014, right? It feels like we’re regressing back to the 1950s, when I was in fourth or fifth grade, and the girls (because boys didn’t need to learn any silly things like poise, personality or how to be pleasing to girls see) were required to, instead of going out to play at recess, attend weekly sessions called Poise and Personality (which my best friends promptly dubbed Poison Personality and went on to graduate high school as valedictorian and salutatorian). We were instructed on lady things like how to walk with a book on our head, sit with knees together ankles crossed and hands folded on laps, and ALWAYS LET BOYS WIN at games (particularly galling as I watched, through the huge windows, the boys playing baseball; I played catcher and could hit a mean fly ball).
    The bullshit that is the masculine mind is a dark, dank and desperate place, and if I woke up in the morning as a man in this phony baloney society I would blow my brains out.
    By the way, you can keep your whiskey. My poison of choice is 100% blue agave tequila añejo. Smooth sippin’ served neat, lime squeeze optional. Cómo macho Juan Wayne, eh?
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    • Meghan Murphy - October 11th, 2014 at 5:34 pm none Comment author #195040 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      “Poison personality.” Perf.
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    • lizor - October 12th, 2014 at 10:02 am none Comment author #195221 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Love this comment. Thanks Mar Iguana.
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      • Mar Iguana - October 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm none Comment author #195632 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        Why, thank you, lizor. Coming from you, I consider this high praise indeed.
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    • Rchen - October 14th, 2014 at 6:32 pm none Comment author #196022 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Tequila is my strong drink of choice. Otherwise I like fruity stuff like lambic beer.
      I was never good at pretending to stupid. Thank goodness no one tried teaching me to lose on purpose or I might have tried harder. Poison Personality indeed.
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      • Mar Iguana - October 15th, 2014 at 11:11 am none Comment author #196299 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        So, we have women acting dumber than they are and men acting smarter than they are; what could possibly go wrong?
        Decades ago, I stopped drinking dark liquors or cocktails with any kind of sugar after I got soooo sick I got rugburn on my forehead crawling to worship at the porcelain alter, followed by a deadly hangover, prompting me to demand the birds celebrating the new day outside my window with their lovely morning songs be shot immediately. So, for years I stuck with dry martinis straight up, preferably with Bombay Sapphire. No more rugburned face and the pretty little birdies were safe.
        Then, hallelujah, they started importing some decent tequilas you didn’t have to make drinkable by serving it in Margarita mix or slamming shooters, killing the taste with a pinch of salt and sucking on a lime squeeze (cringe). And, I prefer the different buzz I seem to get drinking good tequila instead other hard liquors.
        A little bartender history: When the boys returned from WWII, they wanted ALL their jobs back, so they passed laws prohibiting women from tending bar unless they were the owner’s wife or daughter. In California, it wasn’t until around 1971 that the state Supreme Court ruled to allow women to be bartenders again.
        Having become disillusioned and jaded working as a legal secretary for amoral men, I attended the American School of Bartending down on Wilshire Boulevard in LA, obtaining a certificate in mixology (yup, I are a graduate). So, I got to skip the usual prerequisite of cocktail waitressing (hard working women who have to put up with so much shit…in heels) and became the first female bartender in the lounge of an upscale restaurant in 1976.
        I enjoyed: The man-money wages and tips; the power (bartenders are in charge of the room); telling obnoxious men to stop harassing women or leave; telling men that, yes, I did enjoy denying a man a job that should be his since I had a family to support (single mom); protecting my waitresses from disrespectful assholes; telling men no, I was not a barmaid or bartendress or bartenderette, but a bartender, an un-gendered word; having a wide barrier between me and the drinkers, not that I ever allowed anyone to get too drunk, especially after they passed the law holding bartenders liable if somebody got into an accident while driving drunk.
        But, after several years, as with any other field women enter, wages and status dropped. Instead of traditional bartender garb (black slacks and vest over a white shirt), women were encouraged/required to tart it up with the cleavage, etc., behind the bar. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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  17. lagatta à montréal - October 13th, 2014 at 7:47 pm none Comment author #195695 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
    Many cultures where women “don’t drink” are misogynist and hypocritical. Although drinking is forbidden in Muslim and some other Asian cultures, usually it is a misdemeanor for men, except in the case of extreme fundamentalist groups.
    I’m as antiracist as anyone, but I refuse to fall into the trap of a cultural relativism that excuses misogynist double standards. This based mainly on the words of women I know from the relevant cultures.
    I thought it was clear that Meghan was deliberately pushing the envelope, and not advocating that anyone should act like the Ford brothers.
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    • KiaranSedwig - October 14th, 2014 at 2:59 am none Comment author #195786 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
      Is this in response to my comments? If so, I’m not a cultural relativist, and what I said wasn’t said in the spirit of cultural relativism. We happen to be talking about an aspect of culture that in my eyes isn’t a moral question. I don’t agree with harsh punishments for drinking, but at the same time I could see why some countries would feel the need to regulate its consumption. I am not familiar with the laws of all Muslim countries, but I am aware that in several of them there is a wide variety of places you can buy them legally, there are bars (even if they are bit costly) and even grocery stores that sell them ( I think you need a permit if you gonna take it home ). The laws, and the cultural backgrounds of the population, vary widely. Even if we speak of a country in which there is a blanket ban on drinking, you have to understand that a lot of people simply aren’t interested. The fact that this attitude has formed because of a religious opposition to it, in my eyes doesn’t undermine it as an understandable position. That said, all of this is tangential to my first comment.
      “I thought it was clear that Meghan was deliberately pushing the envelope, and not advocating that anyone should act like the Ford brothers.”
      I wouldn’t actually mind if she did, as long as that point wasn’t made in a way in which a contrast between other women and her and the women she knows who like the “strong stuff” was drawn. At that point I can’t laugh at the joke. There are women (and men) who actually think this, they aren’t exaggerating. If it hasn’t become obvious yet I’m an expat in a Muslim country. Around here, in mixed cultural environments loads of people will use your willingness to drink as a litmus test of your open mindedness or whether you’re worth befriending. I can’t stress enough that this isn’t just me who had a few bad experiences. This is a cultural trend, and it’s incredibly frustrating especially in educational settings. This isn’t to say there aren’t Muslims deliberately avoiding the drinking population, but you’d be surprised how often it’s not their call.
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      • KiaranSedwig - October 14th, 2014 at 12:46 pm none Comment author #195913 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        Is there a reason my comment is still awaiting moderation?
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        • Meghan Murphy - October 14th, 2014 at 12:59 pm none Comment author #195915 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
          Nope. You just have to be patient with me.
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          • KiaranSedwig - October 14th, 2014 at 1:45 pm none Comment author #195927 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
            Of course. I just wasn’t sure what’s your system and when I saw a comment made later go through I thought you decided not to publish this one.
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            • Meghan Murphy - October 14th, 2014 at 2:09 pm none Comment author #195933 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
              No sorry… Sometimes I click ‘approve’ and it doesn’t take and I don’t realize until later, sometimes I miss stuff and sometimes I just get busy and therefore slow… I appreciate reminders so long as folks don’t assume my intentions are malicious :)
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      • bella_cose - October 14th, 2014 at 1:55 pm none Comment author #195930 on Buzzfeed: Whiskey is for men, being a dumb baby is for women by Feminist Current
        Now your comments make more sense to me. Drinking is definitely part of the social culture in western countries. I’ve had many friends over the years who don’t drink, but will still go to bars and hang out. No one had a problem with that. I’m sure there are some people who don’t want to hang out with non-drinkers in any capacity, I just haven’t come across any that I know of. I would guess it could be similar to the sex positive feminists who think everyone has to be for pornography and BDSM, or else they call people sex negative. In this case it would be participation in the drinking culture that is being extolled.
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