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[–]truthlesshunter 190 ポイント191 ポイント192 ポイント 3 時間 前 (8子コメント)
on a side note, i would have found it deeply and oddly satisfying if buddhists were at 50 on this scale.
[–]also_that_guy 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 3 時間 前 (6子コメント)
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
[–]Jewbilant[S] 89 ポイント90 ポイント91 ポイント 5 時間 前* (68子コメント)
Data & visualization from here.
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[–]Gilead99 72 ポイント73 ポイント74 ポイント 2 時間 前 (22子コメント)
I always think it is interesting how much evangelicals lionize Jews, yet Jews think Evangelicals are just the worst.
[–]RealHonestJohn 47 ポイント48 ポイント49 ポイント 2 時間 前 (17子コメント)
Evangelicals think Jews are going to start a war in the middle-east that will lead to Armageddon and they (the eva'ls) will be raptured up to Heaven. The Jews think that's crazy and a little scary, as do many others.
[–]Travis-Touchdown[🍰] 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Except actual Israel itself, which seems right on board with that idea and are doing their best to make it happen
[–]Dooflatchie 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I am not sure they believe in the mystical aspects of it. They seem very secular. I think they are just using the Evangelicals' nonsense beliefs and money to further their own ends.
[–]OK_Soda 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 36 分 前 (0子コメント)
They also think Jews are holding the Holy Land against the heathen Moors. There's probably even some weird Gnostic ideal in there too about being grateful to the Jews for killing Jesus to fulfill prophecy.
[–]ArcHammer16 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1 時間 前* (12子コメント)
Hi there! Someone in the heart of evangelical country here. No one actively believes or wants this to happen. People who do are considered the fringe (and I'm talking "the fringe" by central Alabama standards).
edit: To clarify, plenty of evangelicals believe in the Second Coming of Christ, and would like it to happen. I don't know of anyone (other than a nutty uncle) who believes that the Jews are going to start a war that brings about the end times. Sorry for not being clear.
[–]marx2k 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
http://www.christianpost.com/news/global-evangelical-leaders-believe-in-rapture-imminent-second-coming-of-jesus-51504/
Six in 10 evangelical leaders, or 61 percent, say they believe in the Rapture of the Church compared to 32 percent who say the End Times doesn't happen exactly this way, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life survey.
[–]ArcHammer16 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for the source, and I don't disagree that the Rapture is a widely-spread belief in evangelical Christianity. I do disagree that people think that war in the Middle East is the catalyst for that, and so also disagree that people actively want a war to end the world.
[–]tallerthanunicorngod 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Really? Many people it seems even as far north at this would love the second coming of Christ, though most of them hopefully don't believe that it would come with nuclear war in the middle east.
[–]chowder138 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Based on my experience with Evangelicals as a Christian, they might as well think Jews are better than Christians. God only knows why.
[–]stir_friday 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
We're America's favorite pet minority.
Jews = Israel = Democracy = Freedom = America = Aren't we such a great nation?
[–]RndmHiroZero 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
There's a lot of perspective issues in your comment, as if you're 3 different human beings posting one thought.
Interesting.
[–]okmuht 50 ポイント51 ポイント52 ポイント 5 時間 前 (23子コメント)
Am I the only one surprised that people's favourite religion isn't their own?
[–]KarlPilkingtonsBrain 32 ポイント33 ポイント34 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
A large percentage of protestants consider themselves to be evangelical as well. The terms are not mutually exclusive.
[–]big_wig 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Apparently a lot of white mainliners should be planning their Bar' Mitzvah.
[–]approx- 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 4 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Protestants didn't even get a choice though... Protestants aren't evangelicals or Catholics.
[–]GreenTeaForDays 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Some Protestants aren't Evangelicals, and all Evangelicals are Protestant.
[–]JohnnyPositiveKarma 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
This is too confusing; I'm gonna need a Venn diagram (ASCII is OK.)
[–]approx- 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
That's a better way to put it. I'll just say that many protestants view evangelicals as much too extreme and not true christians.
[–]GreenTeaForDays 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You say it like Evangelicals are some small off shoot of Protestantism when they makeup nearly half of all Protestants in the US...
[–]approx- 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 21 分 前 (0子コメント)
You know, after looking up the definition of evangelical christian, I agree with you. It is unfortunate that there are so many corrupt/greedy/horrible people who label themselves as evangelical christians then. Whenever I hear that label, I just think of TV preachers who don't practice what they preach and simply do it for the money, along with all the corruption that naturally comes with such a stance.
[–]la_flojera 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It seems like overall we're like "meh," about every religion. Kinda "meeeeeeh" about atheists and Muslims and "mEEEh?" about Catholics and Jews.
[–]lythander 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
There's also the "making the sausage" problem. When I was Catholic, went to Catholic University, quit being Catholic. Later became (liberal, mainline) Methodist, joined church leadership, now firmly agnostic. Still not sure about God, but I'm really sure people suck, especially when they think they've got God all figured out.
[–]JayhawkRacer 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I really like the political party breakdown. Assuming this is all good data, it looks like you can draw the conclusion that Republicans feel much more strongly for/against the same religious groups as the democrats. This could just be that Republicans are likely to put more emphasis on religion in their daily lives, but that's just guessing. Quite interesting.
[–]unassuming_username 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's one possible interpretation. Another is that republicans are a much more homogenous group. They all like and dislike the same thing. Democrats are a mish-mash of lots of different groups who all have their own biases (which may be just as strong on average as the conservatives) which cancel each other out.
[–]Coloneljesus 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Unaffiliated, Nothing in Particular, Agnostic, Atheist... What the hell is this? I could count myself under all of these.
[–]tobascodagama 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 44 分 前 (0子コメント)
I believe respondents to these polls are self-identified. An Agnostic may or may not identify as an Atheist, or vice versa, regardless of the fact that they'd likely describe their beliefs the same way. As for Unaffiliated, that covers folks who identify as "Christian" without belonging to a particular denomination or going to church regularly. Nothing in Particular fills the same purpose for those who don't want yo label themselves as Atheist or Agnostic.
I agree they seem to be slicing the nonreligious pie a little too thinly, but I actually think that might be the most accurate approach.
[–]BuddhistSagan 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 43 分 前 (0子コメント)
I consider myself all these things AND buddhist, as buddhism for me is a philosophical guide who's only judgement of actions is skillful or unskillful to my own happiness, and not a religious thing at all.
[–]TywinsChamberpot 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 25 分 前 (0子コメント)
Group: Conspiracy
Favorite Religions: /r/Conspiracy
Favorite other than own: Stormfront
Least Favorite Religion: JewsIlluminati
[–]venuswasaflytrap 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
That makes more sense. I figured buddhists would have been higher, but I didn't realise there was a eurovison style vote rigging going on.
[–]Jewbilant[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Are you referring to the fact that since some groups are larger than others, they influence the vote? If you discount all members of a particular group, here is how the religions would rank:
1: Jews (63)
2: Catholics (58)
3: Buddhists (53)
4: Evangelicals (52)
5: Hindus (50)
6: Mormons (47)
7: Atheists (40)
8: Muslims (40)
[–]MadMcCabe 247 ポイント248 ポイント249 ポイント 5 時間 前 (275子コメント)
It absolutely blows my mind that Atheist are viewed so negatively. I understand Islam because a small percentage radicals have essentially ruined their image for a very very long time.
[–]EPluribusUnumIdiota 108 ポイント109 ポイント110 ポイント 2 時間 前 (26子コメント)
I was working in an office in DC and the issue of atheism was brought up by a group of women near my cubicle. There were about seven of them and all were in agreement that atheists were horrible people who worship Satan and should "leave the country if they don't like it here!" Anyway, I make a point of never talking about religion in the workplace, but what they were saying was so misguided and, frankly, mean that I spoke up. I was friends with the most vocal women, friends with all of them actually, but better friends with the most hateful, hell, I even helped her move when nobody else would. Anyway, I asked them if they've ever met an atheist and they looked at me like i was crazy and told me no, but if they had they would punch them in the nose. I told her that's not entirely true and she said ok, she wouldn't punch him in the nose because she wouldn't want to be arrested. I told her the first part wasn't true either and she looked at me funny and I told her she was talking to one at that moment. They were utterly amazed and said things like, "NO WAY, you CAN'T be an atheist, you're so nice?!" I didn't delve into my particulars too much but I let them know we don't worship Satan, there are good and bad atheists just like there are good and bad in all groups, and we don't want anything special, just the same as everyone else. They asked some questions which I gladly answered and in the end I think this opened their eyes to reality in that regard. For the most part nothing bad happened as a result of my "coming out." I will say some of the black people in my office seemed to guarded after that with me, religion to the black community here in DC is HUGE and open-mindedness wasn't an option.
[–]Tan_Cat 44 ポイント45 ポイント46 ポイント 1 時間 前 (13子コメント)
Jesus Christ!
I mean, if there is one.
yay for agnosticism
[–]Daddsays 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 54 分 前 (4子コメント)
See this is the thing. Atheism isn't a religion. You say "we", but there is no "we" in atheism.
It boggles my mind when people talk about "Atheism" and "Atheists" as if they're some sort of organized group or religion.
[–]MaliciousLeviathan 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 48 分 前 (3子コメント)
Your lack of religion allows you to be catalogued just as well as if you did have a religion.
It's not like Atheism has so many variants within itself that it cannot be possible to put them together, and even the variants that do exist can still be placed under a general atheist checkmark without really interfering with the core of your nonbelief.
[–]Daddsays 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 33 分 前 (2子コメント)
I agree that all atheists can be grouped as atheists. This makes perfect sense and is logical.
I disagree that anyone can make a statement about what atheists think/do as a group, other than "Atheists don't believe in God".
You cannot say "We do X,Y,Z" when talking about atheists, because there is no "we" in the same way that there is a "we" for religious organizations. The only "checkmark" you can put on an atheist is that they don't believe in God. Any other classification/stereotype is not possible because atheism does not define anything other than a lack of belief in God.
[–]mlkelty 75 ポイント76 ポイント77 ポイント 5 時間 前 (24子コメント)
I'm surprised atheists aren't below muslims since they worship the abrahamic god.
[–]Mr--Beefy 47 ポイント48 ポイント49 ポイント 1 時間 前 (16子コメント)
My protestant cousin was SHOCKED to learn that there was a connection between Jews/Christians and Muslims. The fact that Jesus is a major figure in Islam blew her mind. And she's 40, with a college degree (in education, of course).
I imagine the scale is significantly skewed by people who just don't know anything about religion -- theirs, or anyone else's.
(Also, I'm Atheist, and have pretty much had it with Atheists.)
[–]fulfilledprophesy 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 54 分 前 (9子コメント)
I'm also an Atheist and am thinking about creating my own religion to get away from the other atheists. Except you, /u/Mr-Beefy. You're my favourite.
[–]BuddhistSagan 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 39 分 前 (7子コメント)
Buddhism is a somewhat atheistic philosophy that is so atheistic it says that the idea of god itself is an unskillful attachment. It not only doesn't say anything about whether god exists or not, it says that caring about this question at all is pretty silly and will only cause you suffering.
[–]fulfilledprophesy 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 37 分 前 (5子コメント)
Yeah, but it also suggests that I should be vegetarian, shave my head, give my shit away and just chill. Which doesn't sound like me.
[–]TheZenArcher 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 18 分 前 (0子コメント)
No, it doesn't. Just like you don't have to dress like friar tuck and live in a monastery if you become a Christian.
[–]_mach 77 ポイント78 ポイント79 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That would imply some type of underlying logic. That's a bit too forgiving.
[–]vikinick 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 47 分 前 (0子コメント)
Logic would imply that the people who rated Muslims poorly would know what Islam is.
[–]BLACKHORSE09 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Maybe because no one talks about atheism in public, ever. The masses only know about atheism through YT comments where everybody looks like an idiot no matter what you're affiliated with.
[–]ApatheticAbsurdist 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Communists and the red threat ruined atheism... that stigma sticks.
[–]test822 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
absence of an afterlife is a lot more frightening than a different, yet still existent afterlife
[–]milescowperthwaite 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2 時間 前 (6子コメント)
The only time Atheists make the news is when they're trying to upset someone else' (religious) applecart. Little wonder they garner such a negative impression.
[–]jefusan 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (4子コメント)
By any religious person's definition, any atheist who calls attention to his atheism is attacking religion. There are plenty of atheists in the news doing good things... you just may not know they're atheists.
[–]Blarglephish 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
any atheist who calls attention to his atheism is attacking religion
But this is part of the problem. The only time the majority of people 'see' atheists in public is when they are doing something like, for example, attacking religion. For people who are religious, it's upsetting and personal, because it's an attack on their identity.
I can only think of one instance where I have seen actual atheists publicly doing something for good - as atheists.
[–]jefusan 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 37 分 前 (1子コメント)
I see what you mean, but atheists, when they do talk about their beliefs/lack of beliefs, see themselves as the ones attacked. After all, as you can see from OP's post, they are pretty universally reviled. You may hear from the most vocal atheists, but for the most part atheists are a silent minority. They have no political or social power. You're right in that many of the more vocal atheists are smug jerks.
For me, there's a deeper inherent conflict: religious people say "My god is the most important thing there is" and atheists say, "No, it/he/she isn't." Your* belief is more important to you than my rejection of that belief is to me. So I don't have a reason to go around defining myself as an atheist or joining an atheist club. The word atheism only has meaning in relation to theism.
Does that make sense? If everyone went around saying that we actually live inside a Donkey Kong video game, and I said no we don't, I would suddenly have to call myself an aDonkeyKongist, and absolutely nothing would be different from what my beliefs are today. So I don't do things in the name of atheism. If you ask me what my religion is, I will tell you I am an atheist. If you ask why, I will tell you. But my actions are done in the name of what I believe is right and wrong, not as an advertisement for atheism.
*abstract "you"... I don't know if you're religious or not
[–]wafflemethis 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 4 時間 前 (29子コメント)
I also thought this was crazy. After a little research, turns out big american tragedies are perpetrated by almost solely the top 3 religions on this "thermometer".
sandy hook[roman catholic], virginia tech[protestant], OKC bombing[roman catholic + christian], columbine[protestant]
All four searched, doesn't seem to diminish their religious reputation in states.
As an athiest, if I were to commit a school shooting tomorrow, it would probably be because I'm godless.
In the states, expect to be looked down upon for anything other than what they are.
[–]zsimko 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 2 時間 前 (11子コメント)
I also think it's crazy that you conveniently left 9/11 off your list
[–]wafflemethis 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Wasn't left off the list, pretty much everybody knows the religious affiliations behind that event. I for one was surprised that when looked up school shootings, they just happened to be perpetrated by these groups, with zero apparent damage to their reputation.
Hell, it's taken decades of confirmed pedophilia within the church before any real action has taken place.
But one small group of assholes flies a few planes into some buildings and the view of Islam is tainted for the foreseeable future.
[–]AintYoMomoNoMo 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 2 時間 前 (4子コメント)
You honestly don't see the difference between 9/11, which was explicitly motivated by religion, and Sandy Hook, which was motivated by mental illness? No difference between ISIS aggression and Russian aggression?
You're trying too hard here. It's not the beliefs of the actors, it's the motivations behind the actions.
[–]Blarglephish 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
What about the Fort Hood massacre? Or the woman in Oklahoma who was beheaded? Or the Brits working for ISIS who have been beheading journalists?
I'm not even that up to date on current events, and even then it wasn't that hard to name a few instances of why Islam might have an image problem.
[–]ewbrower 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That's not that crazy. Do you think that big American tragedies just happen to be perpetrated by the most acceptable, mainstream, popular religions in the country?
[–]ronaldinjo 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
There's a difference between living a life according to the religious rules and just belonging to a religious group.
[–]Jackhooks21 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That maybe so, but that is a very very small group of people who have ruined the image of people across the world. Simmilar to the musslims and 9/11 and ISIS
[–]wafflemethis 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The difference is, there has been zero damage to the reputation of the religions for these school shootings, perpetrated by crazy people... yet 9/11 was perpetrated by crazy people, and they fucked up Islam's reputation pretty damn well.
There shouldn't be any damage to their reputations at all.
[–]Athole 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 5 時間 前 (112子コメント)
Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov, Krushschev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev, Mao, Hua, Hu, Zhao, Jian, Hu, Xi... to name a few...
Right? evil atheists communists?
[–]Cabbage_Vendor 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 5 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Khrushchev is a pretty good guy, all things considered.
[–]Albertican 32 ポイント33 ポイント34 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
So was Gorbachev and arguably a bunch of other names on his list, I'm not entirely sure what the guy was driving at by listing off a bunch of communists with wildly different legacies.
[–]ArcHammer16 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Bigger list is better list. Really it could have been Stalin, Mao, and possibly Lenin for kicking off the craze. Their legacies involve an incredible amount of dead people.
[–]ProfessorSarcastic 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
To be fair, I think it perfectly illustrates the level of thought put into the subject by some of that 60% who view atheism unfavourably.
[–]autowikibot 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Khrushchev Thaw:
The Khrushchev Thaw (or Khrushchev's Thaw; Russian: Хрущёвская о́ттепель, tr. Khrushchovskaya Ottepel; IPA: [xrʊˈɕːofskəjə ˈotʲɪpʲɪlʲ] or simply Ottepel) refers to the period from the mid-1950s to the early 1960s when repression and censorship in the Soviet Union were reversed, and millions of Soviet political prisoners were released from Gulag labor camps due to Nikita Khrushchev's policies of de-Stalinization and peaceful coexistence with other nations. The Thaw became possible after the death of Joseph Stalin in March 1953. Khrushchev denounced Stalin in "The Secret Speech" at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party, then ousted the pro-Stalinists during his power struggle in the Kremlin. The term was coined after Ilya Ehrenburg's 1954 novel The Thaw, "Оттепель", sensational for its time. The Khrushchev Thaw was highlighted by Khrushchev's 1954 visit to Beijing, People's Republic of China, his 1955 visit to Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and his subsequent meeting with Dwight Eisenhower later that year, culminating in Khrushchev's 1959 visit to the United States. The Thaw initiated irreversible transformation of the entire Soviet society by opening up for some economic reforms and international trade, educational and cultural contacts, festivals, books by foreign authors, foreign movies, art shows, popular music, dances and new fashions, and massive involvement in international sport competitions. Although the power struggle between liberals and conservative pro-Stalinists never stopped, it eventually weakened the Soviet Communist Party. Image i
The Khrushchev Thaw (or Khrushchev's Thaw; Russian: Хрущёвская о́ттепель, tr. Khrushchovskaya Ottepel; IPA: [xrʊˈɕːofskəjə ˈotʲɪpʲɪlʲ] or simply Ottepel) refers to the period from the mid-1950s to the early 1960s when repression and censorship in the Soviet Union were reversed, and millions of Soviet political prisoners were released from Gulag labor camps due to Nikita Khrushchev's policies of de-Stalinization and peaceful coexistence with other nations.
The Thaw became possible after the death of Joseph Stalin in March 1953. Khrushchev denounced Stalin in "The Secret Speech" at the 20th Congress of the Communist Party, then ousted the pro-Stalinists during his power struggle in the Kremlin. The term was coined after Ilya Ehrenburg's 1954 novel The Thaw, "Оттепель", sensational for its time. The Khrushchev Thaw was highlighted by Khrushchev's 1954 visit to Beijing, People's Republic of China, his 1955 visit to Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and his subsequent meeting with Dwight Eisenhower later that year, culminating in Khrushchev's 1959 visit to the United States.
The Thaw initiated irreversible transformation of the entire Soviet society by opening up for some economic reforms and international trade, educational and cultural contacts, festivals, books by foreign authors, foreign movies, art shows, popular music, dances and new fashions, and massive involvement in international sport competitions. Although the power struggle between liberals and conservative pro-Stalinists never stopped, it eventually weakened the Soviet Communist Party.
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Interesting: Soviet Union | Nikita Khrushchev | Russia | Leonid Brezhnev
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[–]R_K_M 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Some can be obviously called evil, but some I dont understand at all. This seems just like a list of politicians in communists or ex-communist countries, independen of the fact how evil or good they were.
Why isnt Deng on that list ?
[–]chawat37 97 ポイント98 ポイント99 ポイント 4 時間 前 (31子コメント)
Do you honestly think the average American knows that any of those people were atheists?
[–]Athole 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 4 時間 前 (24子コメント)
Do I honestly think that the average American can think that the leader of the two largest state Atheist countries on the planet were Atheists?
Yes.
[–]2619988 101 ポイント102 ポイント103 ポイント 4 時間 前 (22子コメント)
The average american doesn't know who half of those people were at all.
[–]mangleopolis 39 ポイント40 ポイント41 ポイント 3 時間 前 (14子コメント)
They generally know Stalin and Mao, though. And they know they were atheists. A lot of people seem to think that Hitler was one as well for some reason.
[–]dmsean 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3 時間 前 (10子コメント)
It fits their dialog. Hitler doing what he did because he believed it was the Christian thing to do really puts a damper on their entire belief system.
Besides, I'd argue that Stalin and Mao were in a sense religious about their political ideologies. Just because you do not believe in a god doesn't make you good or bad, just like believing in a god doesn't make you good or bad. The other stuff you do in your life because of your beliefs do.
[–]AbstergoSupplier 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Hitler was a fan of Nietzsche, instituted "Positive Christianity" (which basically draped Christianity in National Socialism to promote Hitler, and did not depend upon faith in Christ as the son of God or the Apostles' Creed and rejected the Semitic origins of Christ and Bible) and was friends with a bunch of Neo-Pagan's following Odin.
So putting him on the Christian team seems a bit unfair
[–]mangleopolis 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I don't particularly disagree with anything you've said, but I think it's important to remember 'Atheist' and 'Irreligious' are two different things.
[–]2619988 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
They're not the same things but they're not wildly separate either.
[–]Sniperchild 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Not when the poll only has one option, then they both get lumped into the same concept
[–]andrewsad1 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Average American here. I know who Lenin and Stalin were. Kinda.
[–]DaystarEld 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Communism has been linked to atheism for many Americans by the Red Scare, but if you're trying to assert that the people who hate atheism in America do so because they honestly know who all those people are and how their atheism played a role in their actions, you're making a pretty ridiculous claim.
[–]warkmilk 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Communism and the cold war is part of the reason why the words, "under god", were added to the pledge of allegiance. Source.
[–]PindaZwerver 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I think Gorbachev was a pretty good guy. He helped put an end to the Cold War and he tried to democratize the Soviet-Union. Lenin wasn't all evil either, most people were doing better after his revolution than before (Stalin ruined everything though). I'm unfamiliar with some of the other names. But sure, Stalin and Mao were really bad people. But there are also plenty of bad Christian or Muslim people, religion doesn't make you any more or less likely to be evil, although being religious can be a motivation to do evil things. Also, communists aren't necessarily "evil". Stalinists may be, but marxist or democratic communists have different ideals.
[–]infrikinfix 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 2 時間 前* (3子コメント)
Lenin wasn't evil? You should really read the things Lenin wrote and the things he did---if you are a decent human being it will at the very least make you uncomfortable. The Bolsheviks overthrew a broad coalition government of socialists, conservatives, and liberals leading Europe's first universal suffrage democracy because they didn't think people were ready for democracy. That is they didn't think they could adequately persuade voters as to the correctness of their particular brand of socialism except by the type of persuasion Lenin called "terror". The only reason anyone thinks Lenin and Trotsky were good guys is either because they are cold idealogues or they have no clue what Lenin and Trotsky actually did and just know they weren't Stalin. Combine this with the ignorant belief that the Bolshevik revolution overthrew the Czar--the Czar had abdicated and ultimatley left control to the Duma long before the Bolsheviks brutally forced their way into power---and you get fluffy good-hearted socialists where there are really just cold blooded anti-democratic murders that even most socialists in Russia came to hate until all that hate was crushed through murder or soul sucking fear.
Trotsky did brutal shit as leader of the Red Army during the civil war, crushing any dissent from, not old guard czarists mind you, but other socialists, liberals, and anarchists. And Lenin ordered that and more brutality as party leader---and cheerfully defended all of this brutality in his writings. Yes, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were all evil motherfuckers. Stalin was just the last evil motherfucker standing in a honorless den of murdering thieves.
[–]poopflavor 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 3 時間 前 (22子コメント)
It's funny because while theism is a belief that causes actions, atheism only means lack of such belief. It's like saying all those people didn't wear a dress, thus not wearing a dress is evil.
[–]cheekytriangle1 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I feel like you missed the opportunity to make a "We Didn't Start the Fire" reference here.
[–]DiggSucksNow 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Communism "works" when the state is the highest authority in the land. Religion must be suppressed to achieve that, or people will start getting ideas about disobeying.
It is not the case that the leaders of Communist countries all thought, "Wouldn't the world be a better place if people didn't spend any of their time doing any of that silly God stuff?" and then took steps to make it happen. Their suppression of religion was simply a means to consolidate power.
[–]I_AM_HANDSOME_AMA 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Communism "works" when the state is the highest authority in the land
That doesn't make sense since a communist society would be stateless. A Communist state is an oxymoron.
[–]Just_Call_Me_Cactus 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I imagine there are alot of atheists out there who absolutely revile communists, more so than even their WASP counterparts. (Familiarity breeds contempt).
[–]Waaaabot 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
“There's nothing more stubborn than a fact. That is why you hate them so much. They offend you.”
or something like that.
[–]vecnyj 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I'm surprised Hindus aren't higher, the average person probably doesn't even know what they believe.
[–]GApproved 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Having grown up in a Hindu household, frankly I don't think even we know what we believe ahuehuehue
Jokes aside I agree. A lot of people probably like "Oh, they're brown? Probably the same as those Arab Muslims, totally."
[–]GenghisCannon 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 5 時間 前 (47子コメント)
Huh. Americans dislike Muslims just a little less than atheists. Interesting. We'd rather have people not believe in God than worship Allah.
[–]bachrock37 42 ポイント43 ポイント44 ポイント 4 時間 前 (26子コメント)
Statistically speaking, that difference doesn't mean much. They're basically equally hated.
[–]chadsten 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 3 時間 前 (24子コメント)
I don't understand how the lack of a belief system can be as feared/disliked as the worship of a perceived violent belief system.
It's like saying your two least favorite colors are purple and transparent.
[–]Fazaman 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Because Christians believe that their morals come from God, therefore if you don't believe in God, then you have no morals and 'can do anything you want'. That you can just go around raping and murdering with no consequences at all.
Edit: Also, that you can lie and steal, commit adultery, etc, because you don't believe in God.
[–]Gilead99 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I went to a private evangelical christian school.
I can say with no irony whatsoever that what you said is exactly what I was taught to believe about atheists.
[–]nerak33 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 2 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Modern atheism isn't a "non-color". It is perceived as a militant ideological movement that believes that the most important thing in the Universe isn't a thing.
[–]chadsten 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前 (5子コメント)
militant ideological movement
I guess I was unaware it was a movement. I have always viewed it as the lack of beliefs centered on a religion.
[–]nerak33 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Is vegetarianism a movement? If not, what is it? An identity? An opinion that is followed by a behavior?
That's what atheism is. And as it's a movement/identity/opinion/behavior about religion, it has sufficient elements to be called a religion, too. If disliking the "religion" label was enough to get rid of it, Rasfara wouldn't be a religion either. And there are other religions without hierarchies and necessary leaderships.
All that's missing are the rituals. It's surely a modern phenomena. I understand atheists are not comfortable calling it a religion and I respect that, but sociologically there's no reason to not call it a religion.
[–]chadsten 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前* (3子コメント)
From Wikipedia
A religion is an organized collection of beliefs
I think that's the biggest issue in the argument. Unless I've missed something major lately, the vast majority aren't organized (together) at all. I'd agree that it does share some similarities in 'beliefs' in general, but that is only due to the fact it is the opposite of something.
A non-crime action is just an action, but a criminal action is a 'crime'. To call a non-crime action a crime because 'there is no reason not to, since it shares comparisons to a crime' would be equally illogical. It lacks suspects, it lacks motive, it lacks a law being violated. It only lacks all of these things because it is the opposite of how the criteria is derived. Without the existence of such things, there would be no analysis or identification of the lack thereof.
ANY organization devoted to atheism should be called antitheism. Or maybe I'm just describing something else and have a misunderstanding of atheism.
Edit: grammar
[–]nerak33 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Unless I've missed something major lately, the vast majority aren't organized (together) at all.
As I said it's a modern phenomena. Lack of organization and individualism are affecting old religions too.
If I were a sociologist making a research in Brazil, I'd care to divide catholics in "practicant" and "non-practicant" because they behave as different groups. But are "non-practicant" catholics organized? Do they have a non-practincant Pope and a non-practicant canon?
And what do we mean by organized? Does it require a hierarchie or not?
And if religious phenomena (as atheism arguably is) doesn't fit for the definition of religion in Wikipedia, maybe the definition should addapt to modern times? We're talking social sciences, not math. Math originates from intuitive entities we cannot question. A point isn't a line because it's a point. Social science form categories not because those categories are objectivelly real, but just because we need intelectual instruments to make discussions possible.
To call a non-crime action a crime because 'there is no reason not to, since it shares comparisons to a crime' would be equally illogical. It lacks suspects, it lacks motive, it lacks a law being violated.
That's tottaly different from atheism. Atheism looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and smells like a squirrel. So maybe it's a platypus? But it would be wishful thinking to say it's nothing like a duck at all just because atheists don't like ducks.
[–]bachrock37 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Belligerent and confrontational atheism turns a lot of people -- from multiple religions -- off, causing Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc., alike to demonize people without faith. Plus, self-identified atheists are such a small population that in a survey pool there would never be enough of them to "defend" themselves.
"Perceived violent belief system," as you so delicately put it, is thinly veiled racism. Americans fear/hate Muslims now the same way Americans of post WWII feared/hated the Japanese. Luckily, this time we were sane enough not to set up internment camps. Considering Mulsims make up 25% of the global population, and only a small percentage of the 1.6 billion of them are wreaking havoc on (relatively) small pockets of territory, I think it's safe to say that overall Islam is still primarily a religion of peace.
This survey was based off of people's feelings. They didn't give people a crash course in world religion and history before asking them the questions.
[–]chadsten 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Perceived violent belief system," as you so delicately put it, is thinly veiled racism.
I wasn't sharing a personal opinion, I just realize that's it's commonly perceived this way. I genuinely wasn't intending to be offensive, and apologize if it was taken as such. I understand it's an almost unmeasurable fraction of the believers that are on the news. Same with extremists from any group.
[–]iusedtobeastripper 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 3 時間 前 (5子コメント)
To be fair, not all but most people that I know who unabashedly hate Muslims don't know the first thing about the religion. They're relying on a knee-jerk reaction and that's about as far as they've thought it through.
Conversely, most (but not all)of the soldiers I've met who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan seem to have a lot of respect for non extremist Muslims.
[–]yendez2 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Its well know that exposure is one of the most reliable ways to reduce prejudice.
[–]esnaw 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I wonder if the results would have been different if the poll had ask to group "Non-Religious" or "Non-Believers" rather than Atheists, which has become a divisive word.
[–]GenghisCannon 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I would love to see those results. Probably very similar but with non religious a few degrees above Muslim.
[–]Gilead99 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is a good point. In my experience when I have told coworkers I don't follow any religion people don't really care, when I tell them I'm an atheist they make jokes about me burning in hell.
[–]vansmith 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Given that Allah is the same deity as the Christian god, it's even more confounding.
[–]CaputDraconis 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
This isn't really that beautiful of a visualization. The little data there is, is squished into less than a quarter of the space they have laid out. There's a lot of chartjunk for just 8 data points.
[–]the_omega99 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
The extra space makes it clearer that the people at the top don't have 100 "degree" approval and the bottom isn't 0. Rather, everyone is some small offset from "neutral opinion".
Truncating graphs can easily be misleading. Example.
[–]tinyp 146 ポイント147 ポイント148 ポイント 4 時間 前 (82子コメント)
Calling atheism a religion is like calling air water. Is this an American thing? What the fuck?
[–]punking_funk 117 ポイント118 ポイント119 ポイント 4 時間 前 (46子コメント)
Atheism is sometimes seen as the belief in a lack of God, which, by some people, is seen as still being a belief and therefore a religion.
By this logic, a lot of atheists are actually agnostic meaning that they don't give a fuck.
[–]cptslashin 56 ポイント57 ポイント58 ポイント 3 時間 前 (29子コメント)
Most are agnostic atheists. There could be a god but most likely not
[–]the_omega99 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 3 時間 前* (12子コメント)
Which seems like is the most rational approach to something that cannot be proven and has no supporting evidence.
After all, there might be a tiny, undetectable teapot floating around in space...
[–]BlueHatScience 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 2 時間 前* (3子コメント)
Actually, gnostic and ignostic atheism can also both be tenable positions.
Here's how: Specific conceptions of deities that have actually been elaborated upon in the theological and apologetic literature can be shown to (pretty much universally) contain logically inconsistent characterizations.... in effect talking about something like a "round square". A description that is logically inconsistent cannot refer to any real thing. So in the same way we know that a "round square" cannot exist, we can know that conception of a deity that is logically inconsistent cannot have a real referent.
It's like the pink unicorn that's always invisible... from the concepts involved and the way they are related, it logically follows that this characterization cannot refer to anything.
So, gnostic atheism is possible for specific conceptions of god. Every specific elaboration I have come upon in my 16 years of academic study has involved such conceptual inconsistencies.
But since very specific claims are made about deities (specifically, what things in the observable world they are responsible for), we actually need a fully fleshed-out model to 'do the legwork' of showing how the general idea might make sense (in light) of the available facts.
The general idea of theism (and deism) cannot do this by itself - it isn't 'susbtantial' enough to be evaluated as 'true' or 'false'. But that doesn't get us to agnosticism, rather it gets us to 'ignosticism' - the position that the concept of a deity is too ill-defined to be evaluable.
There's also the approach from epistemology: It can be argued that the theistic hypothesis (as well as the deistic hypothesis) could not possibly explain anything, because it cannot - by its very nature - provide any sort of description of how the things it is supposed to explain came about. But something can explain (and thus, potentially predict) only when it gives us a working model of how the explanadum phenomenon came to be realized. Merely citing a supposedly responsible, 'supernatural' agent cannot be explanatory. Since theories gain epistemic probability solely by providing explanatory (and predictive) power, nothing can ever actually count in favor of theism.
Thus it's possible to (rationally) entertain gnostic atheism about specific conceptions of deities (like the characterizations by Aquinas, Swinburne, Plantinga et al.), while entertaining an ignostic atheism towards the general idea of deities.
[Sources: MPhil-degree in Formal Logic, Philosophy and Philosophy of Science. For the logical inconsistencies of fleshed-out characterizations of deities, see: Mackie, J.L., The Miracle of Theism; Sobel, J.H. Logic and Theism: Arguments for and against Beliefs in God ]
[–]rationalinquisition 21 ポイント22 ポイント23 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It doesn't seem like the most rational approach, it is the most rational approach :p
[–]autowikibot 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Russell's teapot:
Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others, specifically in the case of religion. Russell wrote that if he claims that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it is nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him on the grounds that they cannot prove him wrong. Russell's teapot is still referred to in discussions concerning the existence of God. Image i
Russell's teapot, sometimes called the celestial teapot or cosmic teapot, is an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970) to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others, specifically in the case of religion. Russell wrote that if he claims that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, it is nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him on the grounds that they cannot prove him wrong. Russell's teapot is still referred to in discussions concerning the existence of God.
Interesting: The God Delusion | Bertrand Russell | Argument from ignorance
[–]boazdm 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Free Thought is my methodology.
Agnosticism is my conclusion.
Atheism is my opinion.
—Jerry DeWitt
[–]GynecologistHere 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Actually, I'd wager that a good proportion of "agnostic atheists" are actually apatheists, myself included. I dislike the agnostic tag because it implies that I have cohered some sort of meaningful conclusion about this bizarrely pervasive folktale. Might as well call me agnostic towards the existence of invisible space dragons, too- I give that matter about as much consideration.
[–]NowICanBeHisWife 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
It's more "if there is a god, we'd never know or be able to prove it, so why bother?"
[–]doesitworkincanada2 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Many say it like this: I am an agnostic who lives like an atheist. That is, there could be a god, but I live like there isn't one.
[–]Albatrosity 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
To which I feel apatheism, someone who considers the question of the existence of gods as neither meaningful nor relevant to their life, is also relevant.
[–]itspartofthetrade 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That's not what agnostic means. Agnostic means belief that we cannot know there is a god.
[–]NowICanBeHisWife 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Agnosticism is actually the belief that knowledge of any sort of god or gods is unknowable. That nobody knows anything or will know anything. You can be an agnostic atheist, but you can also be an agnostic theist. An agnostic atheist is pretty much what you said agnostics are. An agnostic theist bases their belief on faith, not any sort of proclaimed knowledge like the bible.
[–]GrammarCorrectMePls 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Atheism is sometimes seen as the belief in a lack of God
Incorrect though. Atheism on itself doesn't imply knowledge on God's existence, but only the lack of belief in it. I would agree that it seems to be a popular misconception.
[–]SuitSage 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
According to some definitions, it does
There are some atheists who firmly believe there is no God.
There are some who are just like "Fuck it, I don't think there is, but I don't care."
The latter is typically considered agnosticism. That's why atheists will argue with theists insisting there is no God. Because they do not believe there is one. Not cause they have no input on the matter, but because they believe there is no higher power.
[–]Celestaria 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
The trouble is that if you phrase it the other way (atheism = lack of belief in god) a lot of agnostics are suddenly atheists. Back when /r/atheism was a default, there were weekly arguments between atheists who believed that agnostics should just admit to being atheists and agnostics who believed the existence of god was possible but unprovable, and therefore neither believed nor disbelieved.
[–]reshp1 36 ポイント37 ポイント38 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's irrelevant. This is how people are viewed based on religious identification, of which non-religious/atheist is one group.
[–]kickit 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think this response is pretty petty. Having 'atheist' measured on there was a useful and informative measurement, and it adds to the graphic.
[–]R_Targaryen 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
It's not a religion, but it's reasonable to put in the graph as it positively identifies the people as having no religion.
[–]tinyp 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I thought it was pretty obvious I wasn't calling out the fact it was on the graph, obviously it should be there. But it is not a religion and shouldn't be labeled as such.
[–]jkewl 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Does this blow anyone else's mind? I know Hindi people to be done of the nicest people I know, likewise for atheists.
Also curious if people fear saying they don't like Jews because of being labeled an anti-Semite.
[–]Jewbilant[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, America is a pretty philosemitic country. A pretty high proportion of prominent Americans are Jewish and Americans certainly know more about Jews than they know about other groups of similar size.
I think saying "I don't like Jews" comes off worse than "I don't like Evangelicals". Pretty common for groups that have faced persecution in the past. I don't think Buzzfeed could get away with writing this about Black people.
[–]SupriyaLimaye 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
*Hindu
Hindi is a language.
[–]colin8696908 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Fun Fact. Jews are most liked across many Christian groups because of deeply held religious beliefs that the Anti Christ will try and destroy Jerusalem. This is why Evangelical's are the most supportive of Israel.
[–]APairofDocks 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2 時間 前 (14子コメント)
Islamophobia has replaced anti-Semitism in the United States. Jews are MORE liked in the United States than the dominant Christian religions while Muslims are viewed as more threatening than people that deny the fundamentals of their views on good, evil, eternity, and God (i.e. atheists).
[–]_---__---_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (6子コメント)
I can understand that Muslims rank so low considering that they are on the news much of the time.
What I dont understand is how Jews are liked so much considering that there are so few of them and we dont hear much about them?
[–]APairofDocks 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Because that is not true. Jewish people may not be statistically well-represented but in the media, in business, and basically other places of importance they are well-represented. Same thing with universities. Jews have basically entered all of the institutions from which they were once barred. In the 1950's Jews in New York could not attend most universities in Manhattan. Now they make up 30-40% at NYU, Columbia, etc.
So they are well-represented and integrated not only into American society but its most elite aspects. Furthermore the Judeophilia is so great that even discussing this is a "sensitive" subject because it reminds people of Nazi conspiracy theories that portrayed Jews as conniving and excessively powerful in times/places in which they were anything but.
This is an old but still accurate account of the transformation -- and it remains "controversial" simply for the fact that the transformation has been well-documented by the author: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jews-America-Today-Lenni-Brenner/dp/0863561241
[–]_---__---_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It still doesnt explain why they are liked so much. How are people getting exposure to Jews that they rate so highly?
[–]genuinewood 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 3 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Hey! That's a centigrade temperature scale! Too bad its use isn't widespread in the US.
[–]Hail_Satin 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
How can you really trust a Centigrade scale for a US poll? We probably didn't really understand what temperature it really was. "Wait, so 40 degrees is really hot out? I'm used to wearing a coat when it's like that outside"
[–]genuinewood 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
40 is tank top weather. 30 is Tee weather. 20 is coat weather. 10 is warmer coat weather. 0 is even warmer coat weather.
[–]smokeyrobot 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Well the propaganda system here in America is working quite well by glancing at this data.
[–]Tan_Cat 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
As a Jew on the internet, I must say I did NOT see that coming. Take that, random neo-Nazis!
[–]EuphoricWarrior 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Not very surprised about the result of this considering America is still a very religious country (compared to other western countries), bit disappointing that Atheists are viewed negatively instead of indifferent, I wonder what the cause for that is?
[–]BuddhistSagan 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 27 分 前 (0子コメント)
The extreme religiosity of Christian adherents in America and the painful idea that someone can be happy without God when they sacrifice their own happiness for obedience to God.
[–]360walkaway 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
What the hell... evangelical Christians are seen more positively than Buddhists? What harm have Buddhists ever done in the name of Buddhism?
[–]vinay427 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 50 分 前 (0子コメント)
They're just not as well understood by less educated people, so it's probably out of ignorance. I doubt anyone really hates them for a legitimate reason.
[–]Goldilocks218 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
So the Jewish owned media is reporting that Jews are America's favorite ethnic group while Israel is committing ethnic genocide against Arabs, and Muslims specifically....who happens to be the least favorite group.
[–]I_Bin_Painting 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I get the feeling that bias towards one's own religion and xenophobia towards others massively skews these results. Of course the top 3 are the top 3, they're the most popular religions in America.
There's probably no way to get a cleaner set of results because people won't regard their own religion as cold or negative (or why follow it?) but they will regard a religion they know little about and are only informed of by the media in a more negative light.
[–]Jewbilant[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
They included results with the groups' ratings of their own group excluded:
[–]tealparadise 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Jews get a lot of hate, but also a lot of love. And the hate is usually coming from very specific and small groups of people, while the love is much broader and based on shared values. As a "white mainline" myself I love jews.
I also love how the Jews are like "Thanks Jesus, but we're gonna stick with Buddhists for now."
[–]jiveassslippers 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Also - a bit shocking (to me at least) that Jews dislike evangelicals more than muslims.
[–]Gilead99 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
For Jews living in the US it makes sense. It is the Evangelicals that are screaming about "wars on Christmas" and the like. Muslims and Jews in the US tend to leave each other alone, and probably take some solace in being something of persecuted minorities.
[–]unnatural_rights 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
The love for the Jews from the right is historically quite recent, and often appears to carry with it a veneer of "y'all are great, but it would be even BETTER if you rejected your millennia-old religion in favor of one that spent most of the past dozen centuries committing pogroms against you and telling people you had horns!" Plus I'd wager most of the love for Jews has less to do with Jews and more to do with the perceived relative importance of Israel in Christian end-times theology. So, Jews are generally skeptical of Christian "love" for them.
Buddhists, however - what have they ever done to fuck with Jews? Good folks those Buddhists.
[–]Beatleboy62 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't trust em.
Sitting under trees looking for enlightment 'n shit.
[–]sconces 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
If you're wondering why atheism is so low, just look at this thread.
[–]Vendettaa 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Hmm . . . A passionate Jew active in many political forums all over Reddit and very pro/Israel posts a chart about his religion being the favorite of the Americans and Islam being the least. With a month old account, not sure if he came across the data or trying to curb the present conflict situation to his favor. Hmm . . . I reserve judgment /r/jewbilant Be that as it may . . .
[–]Jewbilant[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Apparently, I'm not doing a good job of covering it up. What exactly do you think my sinister objective is?
I found this survey interesting. I have nothing against Muslims and find the anti-Muslim attitudes in the United States somewhat concerning. And there's little connection between this and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
[–]Jeux_d_Oh 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
So much hate for Atheists! The USA still has a long way to go.
[–]jaitium 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Atheism is not a religious view/group. Famous example: Would you call 'not collecting stamps' a hobby?
[–]BenjaminL 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I just skimmed the main text, but it's odd that mainline Protestants don't appear on the thermometer... neither as "mainline Protestant" nor as any particular denomination -- Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.
[–]Beverages_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I've never heard anyone say anything good about red sea pedestrians
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