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Old 29th Feb 2012, 18:51   #1321 (permalink)
 
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A moment to reflect.....

..... XV663 arrives at the National Maritime Museum Falmouth.



The next photo shows the other (crab) side,



Well Done Milly (she fixed it for Jim and all the other kids - young and old - who just can't wait to crawl all over a real Sea King)
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Old 29th Feb 2012, 20:46   #1322 (permalink)
 
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That is so wrong......
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 08:06   #1323 (permalink)
 
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Shane, go raibh mile maith agat.

One has to admit though from having been predominantly white (while with BEAS) to taking on a scheme identical to that worn by Denis' 206's was curious!

San Francisco

During the early 90's I would visit San Francisco each year to see my older brother who was ensconced as a senior VP with what was probably the world's foremost CAD software design firm. During my visits I would self-fly-hire an Astar (as they call them over there) from Oakland-based operator 'AstroCopters'. The company was started by an old boy who had made his money prospecting for gold in the hills east of the city and their CP was a delightful character called Will Prater. AstroCopters were the outfit responsible for the aerial filming for the James Bond movie 'A View To A Kill' which featured an airship wafting around the pinnacles of the Golden Gate Bridge.

During that time I cultivated a keen interest in the city - a place with so much activity and so many interesting locations. I discovered that some years prior to my first visit there had been an operator offering tours right off one of the piers in the city's waterfront area. Evidently they did a rip-roaring trade until the city authority, no doubt spurred by irritable residents, withdrew permission for the operator to fly off the pier.

For many-a-year I have been trying to find the name of that early 80's operator and to obtain a shot of their operation.

You can imagine then my surprise/delight when last week Trevor Bartlett came up with this:


Bell 206B JetRanger III N39080 at Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco on 19th October 1982 (Photo: Trevor Bartlett)

Finally and at last I get to see this operation which Will and others had told me about. My great thanks to Trevor - who flew aboard this bird but who is unable to recall the name of the operator.

I know that our North American readers are few but .. if anyone has any recollection of this operation which flew out of Fisherman's Wharf in the ealry 80's and if anyone has additional details on what happened with the SF city authorities, your input would be welcome.

Regarding Oakland, this of course was the airfield from which the late great Amelia Earhart launched her two attempts to circumnavigate the globe. The first attempt took place on 17th March (St.Patrick's Day) 1937 flying Westbound and the second, Eastbound, two months later in May. As PPRuNer Epiphany will no doubt recall - Amelia's last contact with terra firma was on 2nd July 1937 at Lae Aerodrome in Papua New Guinea.


L-R: Paul Mantz, Amelia Earhart, Harry Manning and Fred Noonan in front of Amelia's Lockheed Electra at Oakland Airfield on 17th March 1937

Lesser known (to some) was the fact that Amelia set a number of records in a Pitcairn autogyro including becoming the first woman to fly an autogyro as well as an altitude record (1931) of 15,000ft. At the event recorded below however, she failed to become the first to fly across the United States:


Amelia with her 'Beech-Nut' chewing gum sponsored Pitcairn PCA-2 autogyro at Glendale Aerodrome on 7th July 1931. Earhart arrived believing she had completed the first trans-continental autogyro flight only to discover that John "Johnny" M. Miller had beaten her to it

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Old 1st Mar 2012, 09:30   #1324 (permalink)
 
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.. if anyone has any recollection of this operation which flew out of Fisherman's Wharf in the ealry 80's .
Back in 1978 I took the tourist trip in a 206 from Fisherman's Wharf - Pier 43 if I remember correctly. I think the operator may have been Commodore Helicopters as at that time the Commodores had a hit "Three Times a Lady" and as we queued I seem to remember mentioning to my then girlfriend the coincidence of names. May well be wrong though, it's a long time ago!
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 09:47   #1325 (permalink)
 
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EI-BJR

Yes it's still strange about the paint scheme. Also she was leased in from Dollar to Irish Helis at the time.
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 10:21   #1326 (permalink)
 
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Yes, the radome is the wrong shape for a 3 or 3A
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 10:38   #1327 (permalink)
 
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Thats not right.... I thought they were both several shades of black?
Really sad for me though is the fact that I remember that airframe at Culdrose, brand new, 1970 ish. Yes... I am that old!
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 11:49   #1328 (permalink)
 
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Yes - I am going to have a look in my RN Logbook when I get home next and see if that was an old 824, 706 or 737 machine or possibly one of those made in early 1970 that I ferried back to CU from Judwin..... 42 years ago

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So if the whole SARH thing ends up in Room 101, and a dozen 101s fly out the other end of the room, they'll be painted like this?
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Yes - I am going to have a look in my RN Logbook when I get home next and see if that was an old 824, 706 or 737 machine or possibly one of those made in early 1970 that I ferried back to CU from Judwin..... 42 years ago

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Sorry, Geoff, but it initially belonged to the mighty 826th Vertical Pursuit Group for the explicit purpose of transporting this shiny pink body out to Eagle and around the globe



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Old 1st Mar 2012, 18:37   #1331 (permalink)
 
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Ah... 826! The second, or was it the third, frontline Sea King squadron! Now, what was the first?? Oh yes.. 824.
Sorry for the thread drift.
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Bell 206 Chin Perspex

In the 1980's Bell/Agusta modified the design of the 206's chin perspex resulting in a new 'convexed' shaping. Intriguingly (well for me at least) was the fact that the port-side piece displayed more pronounced 'blistering' than the starboard (pilot's) side. Any illumination in response to this prime piece of trivia?


Castle Air's Bell 206B JetRanger III G-DOFY at Wolverhampton's Ha'penny Green helipad on 10th January 2012 displaying the 206's accentuated convex shaping to the port-side chin perspex (Photo: Robert Beaver)
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In the 1980's Bell/Agusta modified the design of the 206's chin perspex resulting in a new 'convexed' shaping. Intriguingly (well for me at least) was the fact that the port-side piece displayed more pronounced 'blistering' than the starboard (pilot's) side. Any illumination in response to this prime piece of trivia?
I would suggest that is wrong: the chin bubbles always looked symmetrical to me.

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Ah... 826! The second, or was it the third, frontline Sea King squadron! Now, what was the first?? Oh yes.. 824.
Sorry for the thread drift.
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Second, but at least we got a decent refitted boat with a decent wardroom, cabins, Far East cruise and no Spot 6
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 21:20   #1335 (permalink)
 
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This, about a derelict (?) Westland Dragonfly has popped up. I thought it looked interesting
EDIT by A30yoyo....this is what I think I originally posted
Ancoats Dragonfly - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums

and it was the Dragonfly in an Ancoats, Manchester yard with an unusual nose in post#9 which caught my eye

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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 23:40   #1336 (permalink)
 
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GJ710

The Westland Dragonfly was the first British-built helicopter to serve in the Fleet Air Arm and was manufactured under licence from Sikorsky. The first Westland Dragonfly entered service in 1950 and the last was decommissioned in 1967. The first all-helicopter squadron, 705 Squadron, flew Dragonflies for airborne search and rescue work.

In 1951, 705 Squadron's Dragonflies flew for the first time off smaller naval ships, now a routine practice. Dragonflies were used aboard aircraft carriers for ship-to-shore and 'plane guard' duties.

GJ710 (shown in Yoyo's post) first flew in November 1952 and joined 705 Squadron at Gosport in March 1953. Thereafter she was assigned to search and rescue duties serving at RNAS Yeovil and RNAS Lossiemouth prior to her decommissioning in 1965.

She was restored at the RNAY Fleetlands at Gosport to her 1953 appearance and is now on display at Chatham Historic Dockyard.

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The large registration of the Dragonfly above is a bit confusing in modern day terms - the airframe registration is not GJ710 but WG751 and the latter is in very small typeface further aft towards the roundel. GJ refers to the station code of Gosport and 710 the side number allocated within 705 Squadron. The size and style GJ710 is however perfectly correct for the 1953 era.

Had my first helicopter flight in a RN Dragonfly....
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Er...it was post#9 in the Key thread which contained the oddly-nosed Dragonfly (a civilian?)
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 14:50   #1339 (permalink)
 
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A30yoyo - I think Savoia and I both responded to an Air Britain photo of the renovated WG751 (GJ/710) at Chatham that you had posted......but I'm easily confused nowadays!
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CharlieOneSix....I'm confused ,too, because I didn't post the silver Dragonfly pic!....anyhow it was the one in cream and red with the odd nose in post#9 I was intrigued by


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