I don't understand, how are you not a feminist?
Anonymous

feminismisahatemovement:

check-your-privilege-feminists:

I am leaving tomorrow so I guess now’s as good as ever to lay this all down.

First of all, this is how the current feminist movement looks right now

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Sure, these are probably what you’d call “misandrists” just giving a bad name to feminism. You’re right, I’m willing to look past all that and actually look at what feminism is really about, at a more intellectual and institutional level.

Here are some quotes by some prominent feminists:

  • "I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.
  • "I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." — Robin Morgan

  • "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo." — Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

  • "The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things." — Jilly Cooper, SCUM

  • "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." — Andrea Dworkin

  • "Q: People think you are very hostile to men. A: I am." — Andrea Dworkin

  • "Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins

  • "All men are rapists and that’s all they are" — Marilyn French, Authoress

  • "The annihilation of a woman’s personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality." — Andrea Dworkin

  • "Men love death. In everything they make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, stilling their sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives." — Andrea Dworkin 

  • "Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it ‘Her’. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination." — Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women 

  • "On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom." — Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women. 

  • "The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist — Ti-Grace Atkinson

  • ”Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice.” — Ti-Grace Atkinson

  • "Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" — Susan Brownmiller; Authoress of Against Our Will p.6

  • "When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression." — Sheila Jeffrys

  • "Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated."— Catherine MacKinnon 

  • "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." — Catherine MacKinnon

  • "You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs." — Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.) 

I guess you ladies on tumblr should probably address that as “problematic” or at least acknowledge the people that walk among you. But whatever. Those are just a few dumbasses and I should probably be looking more at feminism as a whole, collective ideology.

What’s usually one of the first things feminists list as a reason for why they need feminism or why they’re feminists? That women are still  making 77¢ for every $1 that men do. Hard to believe that in 2014 we’re still dealing with this problem, right?

We’re not.

In 1963, President Kennedy signed the Equal Pay Act, which stated the following:

I AM delighted today to approve the Equal Pay Act of 1963, which prohibits arbitrary discrimination against women in the payment of wages. This act represents many years of effort by labor, management, and several private organizations unassociated with labor or management, to call attention to the unconscionable practice of paying female employees less wages than male employees for the same job. This measure adds to our laws another structure basic to democracy. It will add protection at the working place to the women, the same rights at the working place in a sense that they have enjoyed at the polling place.

This Act granted working women the same rights as that of the working man, thereby enjoying the right to equal pay.

Next year, Congress passed Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in which Section 703(a) defines the following employer practices as unlawful:

(1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

(2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

Essentially banning discrimination of wages based on sex.

Here is a comprehensive look at the wage gap issue, prepared for the government specifically, 95 pages.

http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

Here are some by women

http://www.payscale.com/career-news/2009/12/do-men-or-women-choose-majors-to-maximize-income

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html

US Department of Labor

http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-28246928/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

Gender pay gap is not what activists claim

http://wwww.examiner.com/x-22884-Canada-Politics-Examiner~y2010m2d22-Gender-pay-gap-is-not-what-activists-claim

Equal pay statistics are bogus because they don’t compare like with like

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/vickiwoods/7957186/Sorry-ladies-Im-not-worried-about-wage-gaps.html

Fair Pay Isn’t Always Equal Pay

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/opinion/22Sommers.html?_r=1&hp

The Wage Gap Myth

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_wage_gap_myth.html

Don’t Blame Discrimination for Gender Wage Gap

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-13/don-t-blame-discrimination-for-gender-wage-gap.html

The pay inequality myth: Women are more equal than you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa3pKN3XUKM&feature=youtu.be

Women Now a Majority in American Workplaces

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/business/economy/06women.html?_r=2

Labor force participation rate for men has never been lower.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/biggest-shock-fridays-payroll-report-sorry-men

Share of Men in Labor Force at All-Time Low

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/share-of-men-in-labor-force-at-all-time-low/?src=recg

Women In Tech Make More Money And Land Better Jobs Than Men

http://www.businessinsider.com/women-in-tech-make-more-money-and-land-better-jobs-than-men-2010-9

Female U.S. corporate directors out-earn men: study

www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0752118220071107?feedType=R

Female CEOs outearned men in 2009.

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=10630664

Women between ages 21 and 30 working full-time made 117% of men’s wages.

www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, single women between 22 and 30 years old earn an average of $27,000 a year. That’s 8% more than comparable men.

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Young-Women-Earn-More-159818705.html

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

Young Women’s Pay Exceeds Male Peers

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704421104575463790770831192.html

The 15 Jobs Where Women Earn More Than Men

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2011/03/14/jobs-where-women-earn-more-than-men/

women aged between 22 and 29 earn over £10 per hour on average, compared to men their same age who earn just under this amount.

http://www.womenintechnology.co.uk/news/young-women-earn-more-than-men—news-800761492

Young women now earn more than men in UK

http://www.womensviewsonnews.org/2011/10/young-women-now-earn-more-than-men-in-uk/

The only chairwoman in the FTSE 100 index of biggest British companies, when asked about government efforts to force companies to make at least 25% of board member to be female said: “there’s no real evidence to suggest women being on a board makes the companies any better – what we’re doing here is forcing an experiment.”

This was further supported in the book “Why Men Earn More” by Warren Farrell, Ph.D., examined 25 career/life choices men and women make (hours, commute times, etc.) that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives, and that showed how men in surveys prioritize money while women prioritize flexibility, shorter hours, shorter commutes, less physical risk and other factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents, an option men still largely don’t have. That is why never-married childless women outearn their male counterparts, and female corporate directors now outearn their male counterparts.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0752118220071107?feedTy…

Farrell also lists dozens of careers, including fields of science, where women outearn men. Women simply have more options than men to be primary parents, and many of them exercise that option rather than work long, stressful hours. That is why 57% of female graduates of Stanford and Harvard left the workforce within 15 years of entry into the workforce.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS/03/15/optout.revolution/

This is an option few men have (try being a single male and telling women on the first date that you want to stay home).

Blaming men for women’s choices is unfair. In fact research shows most men have no problem with their wives outearning them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23413243

Research also shows most working dads would quit or take a pay cut to spend more time with kids if their spouses could support the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/Careers/06/13/dads.work/index.html

Research also shows that parents share workloads more when mothers allow men to be primary parents.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-05-04-equal-parenting_N.htm

ABC News: “Is the Wage Gap Women’s Choice? Research Suggests Career Decisions, Not Sex Bias, Are at Root of Pay Disparity”

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1&CMP=OTC-R

There is also the myth that women are kept out of certain more lucrative fields by sexism. The truth is that women stay away from math out of their own free choice

http://sify.com/news/women-stay-away-from-math-out-of-their-own-free-choice-news-scitech-kk1lubiiiee.html

Women In Science: No Discrimination, Says Cornell Study

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/women_science_no_discrimination_says_cornell_study-75984

Let’s be real about the lack of women in tech

http://www.businessinsider.com/lets-be-real-about-the-lack-of-women-in-tech-2010-10

Here are some by women 

http://www.payscale.com/career-news/2009/12/do-men-or-women-choose-majors-to-maximize-income

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html

US Department of Labor

http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Okay, so that’s not really as big of an issue as feminists claimed it was. However, I absolutely agree that if you do find out that you are being discriminated in the workplace due to your gender, you can and should take action to end that.

So what else is a big issue in feminism? Rape culture. Rape is a serious problem, make no mistake. But is this “rape culture” hysteria the answer? Do we honestly live in a culture in which prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape? It’s difficult to quite agree with that idea. While rape unfortunately does happen, it is still seen as one of the top criminal offenses in our country (at least in the US). It’s actually treated like a really serious issue, probably more than any other crime. Compared to joking about rape, how often do we hear people joking about murder? Far more. In fact there’s a big popular post right here on tumblr with details on how to commit murder and get away with it. Does that mean that people seeing those kinds of twisted and sarcastic things are suddenly more inclined to commit murder? I’d hope not. Are those kind of jokes creating a murder culture? Not really.

But maybe because 1 in 4 (or 1 in 5 or 1 in 6, it changes every time I come on tumblr) women will be raped or sexually assaulted in her lifetime. That’s a pretty damn high number. And that’s because it isn’t accurate.

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IF the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportionsNo crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely.”

— Heather Mac Donald, "The Campus Rape Myth".

This alleged “statistic” was culled from a survey of 3,000 college women in 1982, conducted by Ms. Magazine.  These women were asked only three questions:

  1. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?
  2. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force to make you?
  3. Have you had sexual acts when you didn’t want to because a man threatened to use some degree of physical force to make you?

The trouble is, many of the women the survey counted as “victims” did not actually feel that they had been raped, especially not the entire third of the alleged “victims” that continued to have a consensual sexual relationship with their supposed attacker.  Others that had consensual one-night-stands that they later regretted were also counted as “victims”.

When you have to lie about the prevalence of a crime, you’re not doing women any favors.

Feminism is supposed to be empowering, not to send us cowering.

Rape is not the “epidemic” that people are trying to claim it is.  It has actually decreased dramatically in the past few decades - up to 80% since 1979despite an increase in the willingness of victims to report them.  This is even further supported by data directly from the U.S. Bureau of Justice.

The only thing that HAS been increasing are FALSE reports of rape, which do a lot more harm to the lives of others than you may want to believe.

Here’s what RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network), one of the most trusted sources of sexual violence information and resources in the nation, has had to say about the idea of “rape culture”

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Third wave feminism is operating under far too many logical fallacies.  The Big Lie Technique is readily apparent in the use of the very “statistic” above which has time and again been proven to be false.  Overgeneralization continually tries to paint all men as monsters, when science has shown us that there are many psychological and biological factors that come into play to create someone with the potential to commit violence

Oh yeah, moving on to the violence stuff that feminism likes to talk about.

Just saw this on my Facebook feed and I’m really quite upset. What is this collective mentality accomplishing? What are you trying to prove? That men are all bad? Honestly, I want someone to tell me what spreading this idea is accomplishing.

Remember the whole Elliot Rodger incident? Feminists used that tragedy to highlight the supposed rampant misogyny in society.

The crimes that have been committed by sick individuals like Elliot Rodger are horrible, no one is arguing about that. But is it really good to use those isolated incidences to further your own agenda? If so, then these other incidences would also make it clear that there is a huge problem of female perpetrated violence and misandry in society as well:

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Comedian Phil Hartman was murdered by his wife on May 27th 1998

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NFL player Steve McNair was murdered by his girlfriend on July 4th, 2009

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John Wayne Bobbitt had his penis cut completely off on June 23rd, 1993

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Travis Alexander was murdered by Jodi Arias on June 4th, 2008

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Andrew Bagby was murdered by Shirley Jane Turner on November 6th, 2001 (She later murdered their 1 year-old son on August 18th, 2003)

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Brenda Spencer killed two and injured nine at Cleveland Elementary School on January 29th, 1979

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Laurie Dann killed one boy and injured five others at Hubbard Woods Elementary School on May 20th, 1988

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Jennifer San Marco killed eight people at Goleta postal facility on January 30th, 2006

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Sylvia Seegrist killed three and injured seven during a shooting spree at a Springfield mall on October 30th, 1985

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Mary Ann Holder killed five children including her own son in Pleasent Gardens, NC on November 20th, 2011

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Jullian Robbins killed one and injured two at Penn State on September 17th, 1997

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Heather Smith killed two then committed suicide at Spanaway Junior High School on November 26th, 1985

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Latina Williams killed two others then self at Louisiana Technical College on February 8th, 2008

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Amy Bishop Anderson killed three and wounded three others at the University of Alabama on February 12th, 2010

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Wow, almost like violence is not so much a gendered issue and is more of a human issue,. Maybe instead of using tragedies to push an agenda and demonize an entire gender, we should focus on the real problem of violence as a whole.

Feminists also like to talk about how girls are less confident than boys and suffer from lower self-esteem. That’s totally not cool and I agree that we should be doing something about that. But not like this

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Really ladies, are you all still in middle school? Why do you have to bring others down just to feel tall? Why can’t we build each other up as equals instead of tearing each other down?

And then you want to go and Ban Bossy™ because that’s gonna solve your problems? What even is the real issue again? Let’s list it out the way feminists did (this was originally in an infographic)

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This isn’t actually true.

Girl Scouts own website on Education:

  • Female kindergarteners (83%) are somewhat more likely than their male counterparts (79%) to exhibit the following positive social behaviors: ease in joining others in play; ability to make and keep friends; and positively interacting with peers.(ChildTrends.org, Child and Youth Indicators Databank: Kindergartners’ Social Interaction Skills, 2006)
  • In 2005, female fourth- and eighth-graders both scored higher on average in reading than their male counterparts. (National Center for Education Statistics, The Nation’s Report Card: Reading 2005)
  • A slightly higher percentage of females than males completed high school in 2005 (87% compared with 85%, respectively). In 2005, females were also more likely than males to have completed some college (62% compared with 52%, respectively) and to have received at least a bachelor’s degree (32% compared with 26%, respectively). (ChildTrends.org, Child and Youth Indicators Databank: Educational Attainment, 2006)
  • In 2004, 9% of females ages 16 to 24 were high school dropouts, compared with 12% of males. Females comprise one-half of the population and make up 43% of the dropouts in this age group. (ChildTrends.org,Child and Youth Indicators Databank: High School Dropout Rates, 2006)
  • In 2000, sex differences occurred in science course taking but not in mathematics. More females than males completed courses in advanced biology, Advanced Placement (AP) or International Baccalaureate (IB) biology, and chemistry. Males completed physics and AP/IB physics courses at higher rates than females. (National Science Foundation, Science and Engineering Indicators, 2006)
  • In 2000, women earned more than half of the degrees awarded in psychology (78%), biological/agricultural sciences (59%), and social sciences (55%), and almost half (47%) in mathematics.However, women received 21% of bachelors degrees awarded in engineering, 27% in computer sciences, and 43% in physical sciences. (National Science Foundation, Science and Engineering Indicators 2006)
  • For girls ages 8-12, aspirations after high school are largely educational and professional: 93% for college education; 76% for a career; 67% for marriage; and, 63% for children. (The Girl Scout Research Institute,Teens Before Their Time (2000))

On Civic Engagement and Volunteering:

  • For girls ages 11-12, 73% reported improving the world around them as their favorite activity (i.e., activities related to the environment or helping others). (The Girl Scout Research Institute, The Ten Emerging Truths: New Directions for Girls 11-17 (2002))
  • Girls ages 11-17 participate in student government at markedly increasing levels: 5% of girls ages 11-13; 12% of girls ages 13-15; and 20% of girls ages 16-17. (The Girl Scout Research Institute, The Ten Emerging Truths: New Directions for Girls 11-17 (2002))
  • More young women aged 15 to 25 participate in the following activities than young men: raising money for charity (27% for women vs. 22% for men); regular volunteering for non-political groups (21% vs. 16%); active group membership (22% vs. 18%); membership in political groups (17% vs. 15%); and, participating in a run/walk/ride for charity (20% vs. 15%). (Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement, The Civic and Political Health of a Nation, 2006)
  • In the 2004 election, 55% of females ages 18-24 reported registering to vote, compared with 48% of males the same age. Similarly, 45% of females reported actually voting, compared with 39% of males. (ChildTrends.org, Child and Youth Indicators Databank: Youth Voting, 2006)
  • From 1990 to 2000, consistent young volunteers were more likely to be female (14 percent) than male (11 percent). They were also more likely to be from higher SES households. (National Center for Education Statistics, Volunteer Service by Young People from High School through Early Adulthood, 2003)
  • From 1990 to 2000, females (50%) were more likely than males (38%) to volunteer in high school, but no differences were detected between the sexes two years out of high school (38% for males and 39% for females). Male volunteering declined further to 29% by the eighth year after scheduled high school graduation; no change was detected in female volunteering (37%). (National Center for Education Statistics, Volunteer Service by Young People from High School through Early Adulthood, 2003)
  • As of 2003, female college graduates were more likely than their male counterparts to have volunteered in the past year (50% vs. 43%). Among those who had volunteered, women were more likely than men to have served in educational or religious institutions, while men were more likely than women to have done other volunteer work with children or to have participated in poverty or neighborhood improvement projects. (National Center for Education Statistics, Where Are They Now? A Description of 1992–93 Bachelor’s Degree Recipients 10 Years Later, 2006)
  • College students follow the national trend in volunteering, with females (33%) volunteering at a higher rate than males (26.8%).Both male and female college students were more likely to volunteer for an educational or youth services organization than any other type of organization: 33.6% of male college students, and 30.2% of female college students volunteered at an educational or youth services organization. With a little over 22% of both male and female college students, religious organizations remained the second most popular place for volunteering among both genders. (Corporation for National and Community Service, College Students Helping America, 2006)
  •  The Gender Equality Paradox proves that this is not socially enforced but rather because the minds of boys and girls are different it is natural for girls and boys to have separate interests and abilities.

Do girls really have it all worse than boys?

sosungalittleclodofclay:  harlequinhatter:  roughstar:  sleepsolatecuzivegotsomanydreams:  ohioisloko:  thedailysadclub:  maggie00love:  Boys hurt too  i am absolutely terrified and horrified by this  that’s because with boys a chemical is released in their brain when they make the decision and boys are more likely to hang or shoot themselves, so it always gets done first try. Meanwhile, girls tend to cut and mostly take pills, a method easier to mess up and easier to be saved, thus more attempts and less effect.  Yeah, but boys hurt too  Also boys are a lot less likely to chicken outStatistics say that more males go through with suicide attempts than females  You know how radfems get mad when guys “hijack a post” Welp.  "released a chemical in the brain" no. androgens mask ‘classic’ depression symptoms, which leads to signs known as “male pattern” depression  http://www.professionalpsychiatry.com/depression.html Male pattern depression can include signs seen infrequently in women: Lower stress threshold Aggressive behavior or difficulty controlling impulses Irritability, restlessness, dissatisfaction Anxiety, especially in the morning Alcohol abuse or illegal drug use Excessive exercise or work Hyperactive behavior Eating too little or too much Antisocial behavior and/or pushing or testing social norms  This, by the by, is the cause of ‘the depression gap’. There actually aren’t more depressed women than men, it’s just that in men it presents as other disorders. the other problem men and boys aren’t given the mental skills to impart their needs, let alone expect them to be met. It would help if people started giving a shit.

You know, feminists claim to be helping men too, but when men feel that their issues are still not being adequately addressed and form their own groups like the MRM (which no, I’m not a part of), feminists do this to try to shut it down.

What else has feminism done?

And here’s my final beef with feminism: If you have to spread lies to support your cause, how much of a cause could you possibly have to begin with?  And what are you saying about femininity itself when you want so badly for us to live in constant fear? (#YesAllWomen)

How are you supposed to be encouraging women to be strong if all you let us aspire to is to be victims?

How are you encouraging women to be independent if you try to make us believe that we can’t take care of ourselves?

How are you helping women at all if you have to lie to us?

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Feminism is operating under too many problematic ideas, lies, and cover ups. Third wave feminism is ridiculous. It’s gotten too extreme and completely misses the point of equality now. I believe in equality, and for that reason I can no longer get behind an ideological movement like feminism. There’s my reasons. Goodbye everybody. Have a marvelous rest of your lives.

Yeah I know it’s long, but damn fine stuff and reposted to help out the last ask I got.

it’s important to realize, though, that individuals don’t make up a whole, and that the “feminism” displayed here is not indicative of all feminists