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[–]18andover 974 ポイント975 ポイント  (524子コメント)

If only every other father working his ass off had 9-figures in the bank that allowed him to just quit his job to go to more soccer games.

[–]lifelibertygaming 1349 ポイント1350 ポイント  (523子コメント)

Man, even when these guys do something positive, the jealous under classes hate it. I get it, he's got opportunities many don't. Enjoy the heart warming moment of a dad doing the right thing for his kids and move you cynical bastards.

[–]GDMFusername 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I've got to say, personally I've cycled between poverty and prosperity over the last 10 years, like from '92 Honda to new Mercedes to '95 Honda. I'm currently working my ass off again to move forward for myself and those around me. In that range of experience I've found that some people will hate you for no other reason than they think you're rich. It doesn't matter what you've done, where you've volunteered, how poor you were when you got started in life, who you've helped or how you did it. Those people will be there every bit as much as those who want to be your best friend for the same reason.

[–]GoldGoose 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Y'know, I'll say it. I'm glad this father made the right choice for his kid. There aren't enough of those choices made these days.

Yes, I'm sure we all wish we could just up and quit our jobs to make better decisions.. but lemme tell you something, every single child whose father, mother, guardian, etc take that time for them, that is one more small investment in our future, one more little light shining in a world of darkness.

Alright, imma go and pick up my cynicism, wipe off this suspicious wetness on its surface, and go back to play in Redditland.

Source: Father with kid, who tries to make the best of the time he has.

[–]The_Real_Baldero [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

but lemme tell you something, every single child whose father, mother, guardian, etc take that time for them, that is one more small investment in our future, one more little light shining in a world of darkness.

YES! And as a father and family therapist who's worked and read much research into childhood development, I can tell you that the quality of relationship between father and child (of both genders) is the most predictive of academic, social, and emotional development.

[–]hometowngypsy [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

My dad raised me and my sister as a single father working a full time job. I don't look back and see a bunch of things he missed. I remember the times he took off a couple hours from work to come watch a school play, or how he would sit on the sidelines of my swim meets and clock my laps and cheer for me. I remember him needing to travel for work- to China or the middle of the Gulf of Mexico where there was no phone service, but he'd call when he could. He would also give me a kiss for each night he'd be gone right before he left.

He probably did miss some stuff because of his job, but I don't remember that. I just remember how special I felt because he made sure to be there for me when he could.

[–]GoldGoose [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

See, now this is more the stuff I'm talking about. Good Dad right there.

Both of my parents worked their asses off, and we barely made a living wage. .. I didn't see them a lot, but we still made it count.

[–]_____FRESH_____ 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (10子コメント)

He made $100m last year alone. It's not like some dad working in a coal mine slowly developing black lung for $25/hour

[–]wowSuchVenice 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (4子コメント)

jealous under classes

Jesus. You sound like a movie villain.

[–]MartinF10 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or someone that works for Fox News.

[–]oneonetwooneonetwo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Properly Dickensian.

"Small child, what are you doing outside of a chimney. Fuck off, up you go"

[–]RW_Highwater 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Enjoy the heart warming moment of a dad doing the right thing for his kids and move you cynical bastards.

Forget that he was working his ass off for their futures. That wasn't the right thing, obviously.

[–]goodstorydan 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (23子コメント)

There's a point where you've made enough to live on comfortably and securely for the rest of your life. I think he reached that point. Their futures are secure unless they do something stupid.

[–]RW_Highwater 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (20子コメント)

He's not only secured their futures, but basically the future of their offspring and their offspring from now until the end of time. I'm not saying it's great that he missed the kid's birthday party and their first tooth or whatever, but it was also "right" from his perspective for a long time.

[–]hambody 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well technically he made enough to do that in about one month last year, but I see your point

[–]PhoenixAvenger 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Dude made $100 million in one year. I think her future was already secure.

[–]Pm_Me_Ur_Pianos 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So he quit.

[–]PhoenixAvenger [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

3 years later. I'm not saying he's a bad dude or anything. But to pretend like he's going into work thinking "doing this for my girl..." seems a little ridiculous. He probably just really liked his job and needed his daughter to snap him into reality and realize he was neglecting his family life.

[–]Blitzcreed23 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was his point.

[–]dweezil22 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I'm floored that more economic types don't do this. If they go back to their old Econ books they'd find:

  • The marginal value of each extra dollar they earn is near nil.

  • The marginal value of each minute spent on their family/hobby/sleep/health is much higher

The only rational reasons to keep on with a job like that are:

  • They actually like money/success/fame/health for it's own sake more than their family/hobby/sleep/whatever

  • They value their employees/coworkers more than their family/hobby/sleep/whatever

There's also the irrational "I expected to do this until told to stop, no one told me to stop yet".

[–]daylight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally imagined you polishing your monocle when you said "jealous under classes"

[–]theswerto 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (26子コメント)

You expect anything less from people that are doomed to work the remainder of their lives just to survive when a person is able to retire at middle age and not only live off of their savings, but more comfortably than any of us will ever live?

[–]miawallacescoke 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (19子コメント)

So what? What's so wrong with your life? "Doomed to work" oh woe is me I'm part of the rest of the world and live better than most!

[–]ClownPrinceofDoom 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (372子コメント)

No. These stories aren't heart warming if they only remind you of the punishing and arbitrary inequities we've created as humans.

[–]nuvolau 283 ポイント284 ポイント  (228子コメント)

Fair enough, but that doesn't change the fact that he's made the most of his opportunities and secured a very comfortable future for his family. Now he gets to enjoy time off work to be with his daughter. I really don't see why everything has to be turned into class warfare.

[–]PhysicsIsMyMistress 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's silly how we can't discuss the inequalities of this society without some people bringing in ridiculous buzzwords like class warfare.

[–]datnewtrees 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (145子コメント)

wow, merely acknowledging that most people cannot afford to do this sort of thing and are just barely getting by now warrants references to "jealous underclasses"

mentioning that the inequalities in our society are harmful and arbitrary is "class warfare"

rarely have I felt more hopeless about the future of the poor and middle classes

[–]kthroyer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Agreed. I tried to explain this thought process below, and all I'm getting is "Don't be so jealous, you could make that much if you were as talented and hard working as this guy"

It's not this wealthy guy I have a problem with. It's our society. Sympathy people...try it.

[–]Audit_my_staff 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (134子コメント)

Let me ask you something. This man worked his way up to be a CEO most likely. Why is it that he can't enjoy the rewards of his hard work? Why is that because he has the intelligence and the drive, that he is automatically somehow part of this wealth unequal society. It's really starting to get old how much people think they just deserve to get money for nothing.

[–]grammatiker [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

Sorry, do you actually think that this man, whose salary is 150,000% greater than the average American's, works or has worked 150,000% harder than the average American?

Do you think his drive is 150,000% greater?

Do you honestly believe that he is worth 150,000% more than anyone else?

Because if that is what you really believe, then you are seriously delusional.

[–]devinejoh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

He's worth whatever the market will bare.

[–]WaywardWayfarer 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (51子コメント)

He comes from a family of diplomats from Egypt, which "most likely" granted him a position at Oxford and thereby the connections necessary to become CEO of a firm such as that with like friends.

Listen, when your father works for the United Nations and is the Ambassador to France you just have opportunities that aid you more than hard work alone ever could. To paint him as entirely self-made is incredulous and deceiving.

[–]king_orbitz [非表示スコア]  (8子コメント)

You really should read up on someone before you draw him out as being "given" everything. If you actually read about finances, or followed finances columns in general you would know that he is a financial genius who is in the forefront of the financial investment world.

Yes some people do have advantages that many of us will never have. Simply saying he is from a wealthy family cannot be said to be sole reason for his success.

[–]Apostolate [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It may not be sufficient that he was wealthy and had connections, but due to wealth inequality and immobility, it may actually be necessary. Necessary but not sufficient!

[–]Bascome [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah it can, I know several financial geniuses and only one is super successful, difference being he had a half million to start out investing with. Everyone else started with a paycheck.

30 years late everyone is still working for a paycheck but he retired at age 34.

Being from a wealthy family is everything in this discussion.

[–]halfsalmon [非表示スコア]  (12子コメント)

It's not his fucking fault though is it? Blaming someone for being born into a good family

chances are that he's donated more to charity than you and anyone you know ever will

Why stop here? You're fucking privileged in comparison to starving children in Africa.

[–]bdobba [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Regardless of whether he is privileged, that doesn't make his argument wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[–]they_call_me_dewey [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I don't think it was an ad hominem attack, it was just drawing a parallel. The commenter above was (probably) born in a first world country to a family that could properly feed, clothe, and shelter them. Saying that the man in the OP is waging class warfare because he has the money to resign and spend more time with his family is like saying that the commenter above is waging class warfare on the starving and homeless by taking weekends off.

[–]saintjonah [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You know, no one really blamed him for anything. You people are just jumping down the throat of anyone that has an issue with inequality. No one said he's a rat bastard. No one said it was THIS PARTICULAR GUY'S fault. Someone just pointed out that most people don't have this luxury and it's really not THAT big of a leap for someone who already has more money than he'll probably ever need to take some time off for his kids. Who in the fuck wouldn't?

[–]saintredemption [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Oh come on. That's not even the point being made. You want to know something?

Most people think that CEO's should be paid really well. They think they deserve some great pay even taking into account the meta logic that the circumstances they were born in greatly helped them. It just starts to become a problem when they themselves, who work hard but were simply unlucky in a realistic world, just come with less and less every year despite doing MORE.

I mean doesn't that CEO do fucking more? Don't I? Don't my coworkers? Every year there are less jobs, every year we take on more responsibilities for it, we find innovative ways to do things more efficiently because we have to. And every year THEY get more. But we don't. WE get less. And its bullshit and we're fucking tired of it. Its not his fault but its his fault for not DOING something about it. Those lucky billionaires don't give a shit about us and when we raise a meep about it we get slammed for being "jealous". Bitch I'm not jealous, I'm angry because they're breaking the social contract and they know it with a smile on their face.

I'm sick of humanity having to resort to revolution to change economic systems. We did it for capitalism, are we going to have to do it again?

[–]WaywardWayfarer [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

That's not at all the issue or the argument, it's that his status as self-made and full of simple hard work does not present a complete picture.

It's good though, that you can recognize everyday inequalities. Justifying them as apart to a natural order or even suggesting that my life is equally ill-begotten with 0 knowledge (so I should be in favor of a system like this because of that) is a different matter.

[–]Comdvr34 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I don't know, sounds to me like his daughter is starving for attention, which will come in handy when she's on the pole.

[–]OneTrueFalafel [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

A statement based 100% on speculation. Wow. It's like they try to be offended and blame others for their lack of success.

[–]Ayn_Diarrhea_Rand 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Woah, woah. Yes, this man clearly is a hard worker and an intelligent individual to have made it to such a prestigious and successful position, but millions of people work just as hard or harder than this man and make between $15k-$20k a year and have no time to spend with their children, whereas this man made $110 million in one year alone. To suggest that his work ethic and and drive is in direct proportion to his salary is a fucking joke. Many people in our society work their asses off their whole lives and are never able to enjoy the fruits of their labor, such as spending time with their family.

Edit: After my rant, I would like to say that I do think the man in this article did the right thing, and I admire him seeing what he was missing and making the right decision to make more room for his wife and daughter.

[–]bluedevilAK [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

While I agree that inequalities are massive and arbitrary...and CEO pay is one example of where the rich have become super-rich while the middle class has gone no where, let's a least be sort of realistic here. Millions of people work harder? A lot of people are born with a silver spoon and do nothing. Others may work an average amount and end up rich due to privilege etc...but no one is simply handed this kind of job. PIMCO isn't your family business. You work your ass off and have to be incredibly driven to get where this guy has (and of course, lucky too). And work doesn't simply equal hours...while CEO pay is egregious, the responsibility for thousands of employees and their livelihoods creates a level of stress that most of us will never comprehend (and in his case, millions of households' assets).

I get it...most of us can't quit our jobs and stay home, but millions of people do not get up at 4:30AM and work like this guy for 80 hours a week or whatever at the minute-by-minute stress level this sort of job creates...especially after they already have 9 digits in the bank (which he's had for a while).

There's an old saying that money never lasts 3 generations and if you look around, it's mostly true. It's okay to fight class inequality and other important issues while also giving this guy some credit for his hard work and success, even if he did start off with more-than-average privilege.

[–]iyja [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

The most important element is Luck.

[–]OneTrueFalafel [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You're not serous right? It's not about how hard you work, it's about how important and valuable your work is. Some people will never understand that concept smh

[–]charmingignorance [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I could be wrong but I think, at least in this thread, they are thinking that his sacrifice is less commendable due to financial security. The flaw there is if a poorer person did the same they would be condemned because there is no security.

Besides this story was likely picked up from a smaller outlet that was speaking to a particular community where this got some relevant reaction good or bad. I am just a brilliant idiot though, I don't know anything or maybe I do.

[–]I_Am_Bambi 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Because millions and millions of people could be just as smart and work just as hard and not achieve even close to what he has

[–]iyja [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's what you know. It's who you know. :P

[–]sic_transit_gloria [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

So what? Tough shit, that's life. Not everyone who works hard will become a CEO or a famous actor or an uber successful whatever. It takes some luck. If you work hard and are intelligent you WILL achieve some degree of success in whatever you do, even if you don't reach the top. Not everybody who's smart and works hard can be a CEO.

[–]matt_havener 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think that is true. But, here's an interesting thought experiment. Say a equally hardworking lower class person won the lottery. That person quit their job to spend more time with their family. Are we allowed to be cynical about that person as well? Did they not deserve to win the lottery? If they did not, is there a person that does?

[–]the1exile [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Are we allowed to be cynical about that person as well?

People aren't cynical about the person, they are about the system.

And you will find that many people are equally scathing of the lottery.

[–]saintjonah [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

No one, not one person said this guy doesn't deserve to do this or doesn't deserve his money or that he's the problem with the world. Just that MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THIS LUXURY AND WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY DO THE SAME THING GIVEN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.

Jesus fucking christ, you people.

[–]MrGrax [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I definitely think he didn't deserve to make that money. He headed an investment fund. He was a plutocrat who took massive amounts of money and turned it into more money. He did nothing more than help the rich get richer and further the inequalities in our society.

[–]HomoFerox_HomoFaber [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

So fuck him, right?!

[–]OneTrueFalafel [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You're not serous right? It's not about how hard you work, it's about how important and valuable your work is. Some people will never understand that concept smh

[–]boldhabanerobbq [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Assuming he "worked his way up" honestly is as bad as assuming he literally murdered and bankrupted people to get up there. You have no idea what this guy did to get where he is, but this puff piece sure is working on people like you.

[–]contextswitch 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No they're right, I wish i could downvote the 'jealous underclass' comment way more than just once. You're also right though, good for that guy.

[–]JohnProof [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

That argument operates on the assumption that the only thing you need to succeed is hard work and intelligence, that's false. You need hard work, talent, and a whole lot of luck. And two out of three ain't gonna cut it.

There are many people in this country who bar-none, work harder than the average CEO, and often they are some of the lowest classes.

Saying that everyone is "trying to get money for nothing" is a specious argument. Folks are working hard trying to make a good life for themselves in the face of an upper-class that would happily see those people destitute if they thought doing so would increase the value of their stock portfolio.

[–]FuhZee [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How do you know how hard a CEO works?

[–]Comdvr34 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Nothing wrong with it, if your not dodging the real responsibility, like your own children.

[–]Darkciders [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I think before you stand up on a soapbox you should have something better than 'most likely'.

[–]walkingcarpet23 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue was more that, instead of simply acknowledging how this guy made a good decision and did what was best for his family, a sarcastic remark was made about his wealth, and then another comment about inequities we face.

Acknowledging that people can't afford this sort of thing is fine, but doing so in this particular thread in the manner it was written is taking away from what the man is doing instead of acknowledging and agreeing with it.

/u/nuvolau was trying to say that we shouldn't bother bringing the man's salary into this, and instead just nod in approval of a father doing the right thing for his family.

Yes, he did make more money last year than I will in my entire life, but it's pretty hard to step down from a position like that (hence why it was a huge shock) and really does show the importance he's placed on his family.

[–]TheLastGunfighter [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

mentioning that the inequalities in our society are harmful and arbitrary is "class warfare"

There actually is one thats why and to quote Warren Buffet:

"There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

[–]Comdvr34 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Maybe you will feel better that's he's at +808 on that comment. Oh I guess that won't. Sorry dude.

[–]slamdancer 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (61子コメント)

I really don't see why everything has to be turned into class warfare.

It's because of people like him that most fathers can't afford to take time off to spend with their children.

[–]theoriginalsin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed but we should still be able to see the good in this story, even though we're not in a position to have that option

[–]bockers7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a ridiculous statement.

[–]sanityreigns 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (35子コメント)

most fathers can't afford to take time off to spend with their children.

Most fathers don't need to take time off to spend time with their children. Most fathers can spend time with their children.

[–]projectstew 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I work two jobs but called in sick today just to hang out with my daughter.

Today we're going to a used toy store to hopefully find a sit-n-spin, a doll stroller, and/or a kid-size piano.

That parts not relevant but I'm excited to go toy shopping.

[–]datnewtrees 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

that's pretty awesome! props for making time to spend with your daughter

[–]sanityreigns 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your list is oddly specific. Sounds like a list my kids would come up with.

"A Sit-N-Spin? How did you even know that existed??"

[–]triplefastaction [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's not fair that you can take your daughter to the toy store when there are people that are starving in the world.

[–]greenyellowbird 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are a great dad...this day will stick out in her memories years from now.

[–]ImAlwaysWrite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're a good parent <3

[–]micromoses [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"I'm sorry we couldn't find the specific things we were looking for, honey, but this broken PS1 should be pretty fun too, right?"

[–]brightbrightfish [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You elitist fuck. But for real, have an awesome day and weekend!

[–]Seref15 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Reddit believes that the entire world works 80 hour weeks.

[–]Cforq 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't have to work 80 hour weeks. My dad travelled for his job so missed countless milestones in my family. When he was home we were able to spend lots of time with him, but more often than not he was traveling for work. My dad was a white collar worker, but even in the skilled trades travel is often required. Add in the people that take jobs out of state for better pay to support their family (I know more than a couple people working in North Dakota to support their family that still lives in their home state).

[–]northsidestrangler 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Father here, I spend lots of time with my daughter and I work 40 hour work weeks. I didn't realize that I was lucky.

[–]DrLeoMarvin [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I work 60 hours a week, have only 50% custody of my daughter, and STILL spend lots of time with her.

[–]L4cer8 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are lucky to only have to work 40 a week.

[–]slimbender 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also lucky that he has a full time job.

[–]sunzitaow 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you are american, then yes...

[–]SenorKerry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I work 2 jobs that end up at about 55 hrs a week, I sleep less and therefore spend lots of time with my wife and daughter

[–]palindrome_emordnila [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Rich father here. Retired at 40, spend all day with my kids. You aren't lucky. I mean, unless you don't like your daughter that much, and then you probably are.

[–]PocketHeyman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only that, but every parent is an altruistic saint. I like my parents, but my father is lazy as fuck.

[–]micromoses [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Reddit is full of people who like to lump all of reddit's participants into one group defined by a single exaggerated opinion in order to dismiss reddit en masse, and establish themselves as both separate from and superior to the mindless plebs of "reddit."

[–]scottcockerman -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What world do you live in?

[–]envirosani 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you leave at 4:30 in the morning and come back late when your daughter is already asleep? I mean sure, you don't have the time you wish you would have, but what he did is something different.

[–]bigbramel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Europe probably.

[–]YannisNeos 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What world do YOU live in?

[–]Jeff_please_go 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The world outside of the US.

[–]sanityreigns 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not redditland.

[–]Diraga 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No it's not. He worked hard enough or he got lucky.

[–]Handy_Banana 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because PIMCO steals from fathers?

So baseless... I bet you can't even comprehend what that company does.

[–]hometowngypsy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How so? What has he done to stop another person from achieving monetary success?

[–]adonkers 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

...oh Jesus

Whenever I see comments like this (especially here on Reddit), I can never figure out if the person who wrote it is trolling or if they really are that stupid.

[–]Griffolion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't see why everything has to be turned into class warfare.

Because the rich elite were the ones who started it.

[–]ClownPrinceofDoom -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You are doing that. I'm pointing out that I don't have to harbor goodwill to anyone, let alone a 'high flying ceo' who publicly flaunts his privilege.

[–]mgraunk 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's ok, no one is harboring any goodwill to you either, Mr. Grumpy Gills.

[–]ThatDamnWalrus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lmao. "Privilege". He worked hard to get where he is now. Stop crying because everyone doesn't make equal money.

[–]BBingBot [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because those are the happy moments the poor are deprived of at the expense of his wealth.

[–]J4CKJ4W [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I understand that you want to just look at this as a feel-good story, but for anyone reading this who can't just quit their job, this story has the potential to be really heart-breaking.

[–]pgshpak3 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You can decide which way you want to look at it. Either smile because you read about a man making a decision that is, in my opinion, a fantastic choice; or be angered by the fact that someone can work less and still have a fine time when others in the world are struggling so much. They're both perfectly adept readings of the situation, but I promise you that if you live your life actively searching for the glass-half-empty side of things then you'll turn into a miserable human being.

[–]Capsize 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (48子コメント)

No. The reason he has missed all of these life events is because this man works 14-15 hour days 6-7 days a week for decades

If you were doing it that you'd be successful enough to be able to do what he has done. The fact of the matter is that neither you or I are committed enough to work almost every waking hour. Not every rich person worked for it, but this is an example of someone who has. Please stop being so entitled.

[–]tonyray 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Working that many hours does not equal success. The least paid of our society often work as much with no hope of getting ahead.

[–]thisisredditright [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Just isn't true.

The least paid of our society often work as much with no hope of getting ahead.

The least paid of our society do not work 90 hour weeks.

[–]FuhZee [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

They work 20 hours at Burger King and want to make $50k

[–]robo4536 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

That doesn't mean it's arbitrary, though.

[–]roninwarshadow [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The least paid are often the least educated/least skilled.

And are often in jobs where they can be quickly replaced by the next unskilled laborer eager for their jobs.

The prerequisites (specialized skills, education, the ability to lead people in a business/corporation, etc, etc) of a CEO and the prerequisites of an unskilled laborer aren't even the same. So let's not pretend the two jobs are even remotely equal.

So, of course, working that many hours if you are among the least paid isn't going to give you equal success to that CEO of a two trillion dollar company. Why should it?

[–]Capsize 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

If you work 90-100 hour weeks every week for decades and are on the very bottom of society then something is seriously wrong....

Either you're spending ridiculously or are not getting paid for the work you're doing.

[–]rockyali [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If you work 90-100 hour weeks every week for decades and are on the very bottom of society then something is seriously wrong....

Yes, there is something seriously wrong.

[–]_trp [非表示スコア]  (7子コメント)

It's called a sweatshop. There are far more poor than rich working 16 hour days for 7 days a week.

[–]sic_transit_gloria [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Okay come on are we seriously going to sit here and say "ya know, kids in Southeast Asia work just as hard as this CEO and don't make nearly as much money..." ???

[–]phukka [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Only because people don't realize that without those sweatshops, those people would have no jobs and would be struggling to feed their families. Even then, those sweatshops pay typical or above average to the local wages.

I wonder if people in Sweden lose their shit because people in American factories making $10 an hour are making their shit when Sweden's minimum wage is likely much higher.

[–]sic_transit_gloria [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Exactly, I know the conditions are horrible and that's a legitimate issue that needs to be solved, and they could be paying the workers more, but at the same time the workers aren't slaves. They are working that job because $1 a day for them is better than the alternative. Growth has to start somewhere.

[–]chrispyb [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

There was an interview with an immigrant from central America who moved to Nantucket. No high-school education. Took a job as a janitor and then also a second job. 16 hour days.

Want to hear what his life is like? He still works 16 hour days at those jibs, but owns 3 houses. On Nantucket.

[–]Gbiknel 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Working crazy amounts of hours does not mean you'll get rich. That makes no sense. It might help but there is no guarantee.

[–]fb95dd7063 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If you're an hourly employee somewhere, like hell your boss will let you put in 15 hour days.

[–]StoopidSpaceman [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Working crazy amounts of hours doesn't guarantee you will get rich, but not working crazy amounts of hours makes it almost certain you won't get rich.

[–]_WhaleBiologist_ [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Yes, thank you! This comment needs to be up top.

I read a comment a little further up that said in part "Sure the CEO is intelligent and works hard, but millions of people work as hard as this guy only make $15k-$20k/year and have no time to spend with their children". It makes me sad to read stuff like this... especially if it's the youth of Reddit making such comments.

I work for a professional services firm and have been in that industry my entire career (since college) and I can tell you that intelligent, hard-working people who put in 70+ hours a week are making well more then $15k-$20k/year. I know people who bust their ass in other ways (sure they may work retail, but they spend their "free time" making money other ways with legit side businesses) and make way more then $15k-$20k annually. You need to bust your ass every day of your life to get to where this guy is. While it's true that working crazy amounts of hours will not automatically make you rich, it does not hurt. What is true is that whining and bitching about the successful people will not get you anywhere in life... and if you are intelligent, educated, and most importantly, network with the right people, opportunities will be presented to you. They won't fall in your lap... you will have to make it happen, but once you do, you'll be on your way.

[–]phukka [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yes, but whining an bitching is so much easier than working. It's only natural for the spoiled, entitled fucking children of this upcoming participation trophy generation to get upset when they get to the real world.

Maybe if people used high school and college for an education instead of a hookup house, we wouldn't be quite so deep in this shitty situation. (Probably still be in it, but only one foot in the grave, not two.)

[–]ThisNameIsAlsoTaken 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know a lot of people who stay away from family for months at a time and do this for years just to make a good living for their families. We work or ass off; we work 10-12 hours a day and mostly every other weekends too.

I'm happy for that guy. I'm happy for that little girl.

It still pulls a chord or two when I read it. Not every one earns millions per year. We work very hard too! This is the kind of thoughts I got when I first read it. But hey not everyone is lucky!

One day I'll be able to go back and live with my family. Save enough and get a job there to live comfortably. We still won't be able get those moments back. Hundreds of them. It's a tough choice and we all hope we made the right one!

[–]VroooMoose 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (11子コメント)

THANK YOU.

Hard working aspiring middle class here. Putting in time and making sacrifices to have as successful of a career as possible. I can't wait for the fucktards to criticize me once I hopefully reach a certain degree in my career. Frustrating because I have family that will think this way.

[–]flossdaily [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Putting in time and making sacrifices to have as successful of a career as possible.

We live in an economy where corporations no longer have any concept of loyalty, and where they have made a science out of getting people to work harder and harder for little or no additional compensation.

WE DO NOT LIVE IN A MERITOCRACY. Your hard work, statistically speaking, will not help you to thrive and advance your economic class. That's just the sad reality of the times we live in.

The hardest workers I know all get treated like shit by their corporations. Without exception. It's insanity.

Everyone needs to understand that we're all fighting for a smaller and smaller piece of the pie. Meanwhile the ultrawealthy, like the guy in this article, are perpetuating the illusion that their personal work ethic is what led to their success. It wasn't. It was an accident of birth, and knowing the right people.

The American Dream is a myth. And if you're mad at me for writing that, you're part of the problem, and you need to educate yourself about the economic realities of your life.

[–]HomoFerox_HomoFaber [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I can't wait for the fucktards to criticize me once I hopefully reach a certain degree in my career.

/r/CharmedLifeProTip

When you get there, don't feel bad about getting there. But be humble enough to know that others also could have gotten there, including some in your own company. Be good, fair, and transparent.

[–]alittleperil 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I meet people who work that schedule every day. Usually they're postdocs, sometimes they're particularly motivated grad students. They have no good job prospects and they know it, but they hope to make some slight difference by their efforts.

Why are you so happy to fellate this dude's work ethic? Not every rich person worked for it, sure, but very few people who work for it get rich.

[–]bobsp 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (18子コメント)

"Arbitrary"--When I see the assholes that fucked around in high school (and consequently either didn't go to college or flunked out) working menial jobs while I have a career that I love and pays me well, I don't see anything arbitrary. These guys didn't give a fuck about their future then and are paying for it now. Are there people who genuinely got fucked? Yeah, but they're not even close to the majority of people that complain about inequality. I came from a lower-middle class family. I got my full-ride academic scholarship and got out. I made something of myself where many chose to act like the future was just a given.

[–]MakeYouThink [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Holy shit, I'm on reddit and not studying. Thanks bro...

[–]Audit_my_staff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't listen to the neck beards. I did the same exact thing because I realized that the American Dream is still possible if you make sacrifices and work your ass off. Many of the people complaining about inequality are the ones who fucked around in school maintaining 3.0 GPAs in sociology just so they can drink and smoke their way through life. I know that's a HUGE generalization, but hey, if they're allowed to generalize about inequality and how all successful people are snakes, then I'm gonna generalize the Reddit bandwagon crowd.

Edit: with all that said, yes I'm perfectly aware there are circumstances where people work hard and don't get paid very well. My family same here from the post Soviet Union and my father is one of the hardest working men I know. He doesn't make much because he sacrificed college to earn income so that I can make something of myself. And I didn't want to disappoint him so I pulled my shit together and studied until I made something out of it.

TL;DR: generalizations suck.

[–]AggressiveBananas [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

There are many perfectly intelligent people that had very good grades but were still not afforded the same opportunities as you. Not everyone is as lucky as you to have such a great father. Sometimes circumstances of life change the direction of your life. Shit happens.

But income inequality is a serious issue and to dismiss the issue because of perceived laziness would be unwise. We are talking about the 1% here. I would say its fairly uncommon for people who started with little to reach that level of wealth.

[–]GregEvangelista 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't even bother with these people dude. Their societal views only work if they can convince themselves that upward social mobility is a lie. Go get yours.

[–]frissonFry [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

And a lot of those assholes that fucked around in high school and then went to college, then joined a frat are now doing better than you are. That's arbitrary.

[–]DaHockeyModsBannedMe [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Being able to sell yourself is one of the most important characteristics of a strong businessman. You can have a 143 IQ, but if you're socially inept no one is gonna give a shit and you won't get anywhere.

[–]Sadbitcoiner 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Equality of opportunity doesn't equal equality of outcome.

[–]MadeByMonkeys 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sadly we're not even close to having either one.

[–]vecnyj 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They aren't arbitrary. His work is way more valuable than the average person's.

[–]leftdefender 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, I am confused. The guy quit his job to spend time with his daughter and you don't approve? Please elaborate for the mentally challenged.

[–]VonGeisler [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What's arbitrary about being successful at something that makes money?

[–]devinejoh [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

How are they arbitrary?

[–]alternateonding [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Explain arbitrary.

[–]AdvocateForTulkas [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

If it makes you feel any better, we're doing exponentially better as a species as time goes on.

A thousand years ago and I might be able to take all of your wealth, family, home, lives, just because I feel like it and I'm bigger and quicker with a spear or generally don't give a shit about the social pressure keeping me from easily killing you... Which depending on the culture might be completely non existent or even just positive social pressure for me taking those things, if I make up a small lie.

The modern working lifestyle sucks more often than not, I know that really fuckin' well and I can't even begin to imagine how much so when I have kids, but we're doing better.

Don't hate this guy in an article just because he's doing well.

It sucks to work 12+ hours a day every Mon-Sat and still not be able to pay bills, but I don't hate the man who can not work at all and live off investments because of it.

[–]puppetmaster2501 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Obligatory: you're fun at parties.

[–]sweatersong [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

They aren't arbitrary.

[–]Bratmon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the reason this story annoys people so much is that a lot of people work hard to secure the future of their child, but desperately wish they couldn't.

This story talks about how it's good to quit your job to spend more time with family, but that's not a choice for most people, and there's no reason that guy should be commended for a decision anyone else would have made in a heartbeat.

Also, some people are anoyed that he's able to make 100m and they're not. He does work harder than the average person, but there's no way he works 5000 times harder.

[–]the_k_i_n_g 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the jealous under classes hate it.

Well when you label them like that....I wonder where the hate stems from.

[–]HowIsntBabbyFormed 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the hell did he go out of his way to write an essay to tell everyone what I great father he was being now. This also got my attention:

He said he has taken a "portfolio" of part-time roles, including being chief economic adviser at Allianz

"Hmm, I guess I'll just take a small part time gig to fill all this down time I've got now. I'll just take a look at the help wanted pages... Hmm, yes, chief economic adviser at this multinational financial services company should fit the bill. My pals will have such a laugh with me slumming it at the world's largest insurance company."

[–]YouHaveShitTaste 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on reddit.

[–]juliusseizure 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is jealous, it just isn't that big a deal. Not making more time for your kids after you have more than enough money for 10 generations is selfish, but making time for them is just what should be done. What is sad is that we view this action as being something great and the opposite as the norm rather than viewing this as the norm and the other as selfish.

[–]theoriginalsin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't understand either how hard it would be to make that decision when you're making money like that. It's addicting, and you get to a point where your lifestyle demands it. Maybe not this guy who made $100 million in a year, but for the people making $1-$5 million a year it's not that easy to give up the lifestyle to quit. What this guy did is pretty fucking awesome, and instead of applauding that one of these high power types realized what's important in his life we're bitching about how wealthy he is

[–]Catch22af [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Hmmmmm... Nope

[–]TheDuke07 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

And the king's heart grew 3 sizes that day.

[–]stubble [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

The only reason it's a story at all is cos he's loaded. Imagine the headline "train driver changes shift pattern to be at kid's school play" - nah, not that interesting huh..?

[–]awildslackerappeared [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Lol "the jealous underclass". Are you a shitty person IRL or do you just play one on the internet?

[–]fr0gz0r [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

It's not particularly heartwarming because there are many people who wake up early and work hard all day, every day. Yet, as a society, we have chosen to reward some people with over 1000x the rewards that we give an average citizen for their labor.

How does someone take home a $100m salary and believe their behavior is appropriate? They're living with such wealth at the direct expense of their fellow human beings. People are poor, sick, and dying while he lives with a salary that is 100x beyond "fabulously wealthy". It's inhuman and wrong.

How can you cash that check knowing that your money is enough to give a life of middle class comfort to thousands of people, but choose to instead live in selfish luxury?

[–]Pway [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"Jealous under classes" yeah nothing 18andover said warranted that.

[–]HammerMcBammer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Yeah fucking idiots and their reality. Why can't they just be happy for the guy who is able to coast forever while 99% of society slogs through life with no hope of an actual retirement or anything like that. But you're right, the important thing is to sugarcoat reality and be happy for the mega rich....

[–]UglyMuffins [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

it's funny when reddit hates rich people just for the sake of being rich, but when they look at themselves they don't realize they're just as bad when compared to homeless people or those in Africa.

Hypocrites all around!

[–]Foxkill2342 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I work with a lot of people who miss out on their children's lives and want to just be able to make enough money to pay for their kids education. We work the hardest and get paid the least while the CEOs get the luxury of quitting their job to spend more time with their family. This story is bullshit.

[–]dick122 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

A nice contrast would be Bill Clinton. He was governor of Arkansas when they had Chelsea and was able to be around for her birth and for the weeks afterwards. He wrote about how lucky his family was to be able to spend that important time together and says that event is what inspired him to get behind the Family Medical Leave Act. Some people won't believe that but the optimist in me says that yeah, there are some people who are fortunate, realize it, and choose to work hard to afford others some of those same opportunities.

[–]toddley [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"jealous under classes"

are you serious?

[–]kimahri27 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Are you honestly stupid enough to believe the guy quit his job for his daughter? He is manning a beleaguered company right now. His ass will be on the line soon enough.

[–]thaencyder [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Jealous underclass? The ignorance with this one is mind blowing.

[–]ekjohnson9 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What's heart warming about it? The guy has the ability to quit so he does. I'm sure his maid would love to go see her kids play soccer.

[–]an_actual_lawyer [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

"jealous classes"

Can you, without being a complete asshole, define "jealous classes"?

[–]therac_twenty_five [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Fuck you, cunt

[–]sillyaccount [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Just a tiny fraction hates what good he did. You are missing the point and reading reality wrong.

[–]Comdvr34 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Nah, he missed those opportunities because he didn't make time for those opportunities.

[–]TheManCalledBlackCat [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I would like to say that although it is jealousy there are other things going on here that sort of warrant this opinion if only slightly. For one there is the very cliche "Imbalance of the classes" trope. However cliche it is, it is still true, there is an imbalance of wealth here. The fact that this guy is/was head of a firm with $2 trillion in assets says a few things about that. As much as I can say that eventually I will become a successful individual, how many of us will start businesses that will be worth $2 trillion dollars?

This next two paragraphs will be me ranting about the government of various places. You have been warned.

I would also like to point out how the middle class is the bastard child of the lower class and the upper class. I am middle class so of course this is slightly/very biased but it's my opinion. The government keeps the lower class down but gives them things that make them feel equivalent to the middle class. I'm talking about Section 8 housing and other various government provided things. While these aren't bad, they allow people to game and cheat an otherwise okay system. The middle class is then jealous of the lower class for getting so many things that they work hard for, for free (or at least negligible costs). The middle class is also scared of the living conditions in poor neighborhoods and think to themselves (I don't want to have to be in an area like that) so the middle class works hard to avoid unwanted circumstances but are still angry at the lower class for getting so many "Freebies."

Now we move onto the relationship between the middle class and the upper class. The upper class is the goal of the middle class. People believe that will hard work they can make it into that next tier of wealth and have a nice retirement await them. While in some cases true, many people are stuck in the same rut at the end of their time in the workforce as when they started. Many are actually stuck working today because of the recession. Though it is over, things have gotten more expensive and so the cost of living has gone up. So when someone like Bill Gates throws all of his money at charities, the other upper class people may say "Oh that's a nice thought, I'll do the same" the middle class says "Screw that guy for having so much money to throw around" and they are jealous that someone so many social tiers above them exists in the world because they know that it is near impossible to scale the socio-economic ladder in these times. True rags to riches stories are non-existent in america as far as I can tell. You may point at some social media developers (Namely Zuckerburg) but they all had fairly wealthy parents who hired private tutors to teach them their skills. That is why everyone is jealous of the upper class. The way that society has been laid out ahead of us means that we cannot climb tiers at a time up the social ladder. We can however, fail miserably and fall all the way down it.

Tl;dr Because no one can actually climb up the social ladder, we are all jealous of those above us.

[–]ADDvanced [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

No. Fuck him. Nobody deserves that much money, and I'm pretty sure a LOT of us could do his job. The rich are fucking the middle class and I'm sick of it.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/484/9xoc.jpg

[–]Kungfumantis [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile the hundreds of employees that work under him could never dream to do this. Yeah I'd say they guy making 30x the money deserves a little extra salt. CEOs have been taking advantage of their employees for decades now, there's good reason to tell his rich ass to fuck off.

[–]blagojevich06 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Under classes? You've got to be fucking kidding.

[–]adamernst [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

this is reddit. people are always victims