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SSB4Do not buy anything from KatsuKity (self.smashbros)

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Warning to all Smashers (retweet/share this if you want) - don't buy 3DS capture card equipment from Katsukity. They sent bad equipment twice, and don't want to pay for shipping or refunds or inconvenience. This is the reason I was not able to stream on twitch with smash 4 lately. Mine was 430 dollars btw (which was wasted).

This was my experience

You may or may not be as lucky

I ended up being screwed twice and they do not care

I have many witnesses

I hope I help warn anybody that may or may not have needed it.

I really wanted to stream smash 4 this ENTIRE time but I was not able to because of this.

I lost 65 Subs also (instead of gaining like almost 100 subs and almost 10k followers based off what Zero got in that same time period by streaming that entire time which I also wanted to do)

In my opinion stay away from the company.

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[–]maxz0rz 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Did you pay with credit card? Try to get a chargeback

[–]brisingfreyja 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can always call your bank (if you paid by debit or check) and tell them what happened. I had to do this, they refunded it with not much of an issue (two phone calls telling them what happened).

[–]Charily 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty much, this is the same thing I did with spotify. (I don't even know how my Bank even called Spotify o.O)

[–]brisingfreyja 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lucky you, I had to provide all the information for them. Which was really hard.

[–]promess [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Most of the time the company gets the charge back notice via their bank account balance being off or through a statement from the credit card merchant services provider.

[–]showeradvocate 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a far better idea than people suggesting going to court.

[–]phoenixwang 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's what I said to him on facebook when he posted earlier, but it seems m2k just doesn't respond to the legitimate options people are providing him a lot of the time. (ex. emp)

[–]Jonyb222 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paypal might also work.

[–]mrtomhimself 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Katsukity

Looks like they only take PayPay. It can actually be even better than using PayPal.

[–]ceol_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Took long enough to find this suggestion. PayPal, a credit card, and a debit card run as credit will all give you some sort of protection. If he paid some other way, it's unlikely he has any course of action available to him.

[–]OppaWumboStyle 437 ポイント438 ポイント  (83子コメント)

You should threaten to sue if you don't get a refund or a working product and I'm sorry to hear that you got screwed over

[–]RunicSSB 414 ポイント415 ポイント  (68子コメント)

P4K|Mew2King vs. KatsuKity $430 MM

[–]ReasonShallPrevail 222 ポイント223 ポイント  (55子コメント)

Let's review what we know:

  • Subs:

    Assuming a $5/month subscription fee:

       5 * 65   = 315

    Now, let's factor in the cash made off of potential new subscribers. Going off of ZeRo's numbers isn't very accurate, simply because M2K is far more popular, but let's just lowball it:

      5 * 100   = 500
  500 + 315 = 815

    Assuming our numbers are accurate, he lost $815 just off of subscribers alone.

  • Ads:

    Going off of YouTube's average CPM of $7.60, and considering that ZeRo is operating at ~2000 viewers a day, that leaves us with $15.2 per day.

    The 3DS version was released 13 days ago, so:

      13(2(7.60)) = 182.4
  815 + 182.4 = 997.4
  997.4 + 430 = 1427.4

[–]Brandonspikes 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Twitch does not give people 5 dollars a month for subs, they give half until they reach an amount, but never the full 5 dollars

[–]ReasonShallPrevail 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (22子コメント)

In that case, we're down to 412.5 + 182.4 + 430, which still comes out to a solid $1024.9, and that's just a single ad.

[–]ratchetfella 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (14子コメント)

It's a sizeable amount of cash, and he could easily project much higher numbers due to his popularity and extended reach. Even if he could project that his losses were triple that amount, ~$3k, would the legal fees be worth it? How much of that would he get back and how much money would he lose for the time wasted in settling the issue?

[–]Snoopy_Hates_Germans 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (13子コメント)

When you sue someone, and are successful, then the loser pays the winner's lawyer fees. Even the threat of litigation might be enough for the company to want to settle and just give him back his ~$800

edit: This is called the English Rule, and is in effect pretty much everywhere but the US. Depending on where Katsukity is based, the rule might apply for M2K.

[–]Kirjath 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not really sure that's true...

[–]Tasgall 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is not true (for the US), and has caused companies to go out of business (see: Creative Labs vs Aureal Semiconductor).

There have been recent attempts to fix this, but those only apply to patent troll cases as far as I know.

[–]LifeSmash 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are also certain lawyers that promise they won't charge you if you lose.

I don't know how legit that actually is, as I've never needed a lawyer, but it's a thing.

[–]Acidictadpole 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I imagine they're pretty stingy about what cases they pick up then.

[–]ocshoes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't really understand why the US doesn't do this.

[–]bauth [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Because losing a lawsuit to a big corporation would become even more shitty.

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      [–]needuhLee 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      M2K made some deal with Twitch (I forgot what it was) but he gets more than $2.50

      [–]ewd444 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      M2k gets $3.5

      [–]hMJem 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Last night, Zer0 said he gets $3.50 for every sub. He was talking to M2K on stream about how much $$ he's making.

      [–]ChezMere 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Surprised they're allowed to talk about this sort of thing.

      [–]bourbon_and_icecubes 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Just spend it on a bust of Lionel Ritchie made out of chocolate next time. You'll be much happier.

      [–]Kraklano 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Who's your favorite singer? Mine's chocolate!

      /Doc Louis

      [–]bizzarro_flame 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      As you can see from my expert witness Dr. Reason (PHD of Economics), ladies and gentlemen, M2K suffered both general damages of $430 and special damages of over $2000. I urge you to find punitive damages of at least one million dollars in favor of M2K due to the malicious and unconscionable nature of Katsukity's actions, which was intentional false statement of material fact through the form of written communication including the contract itself where Katsukity's intended that M2K reasonably rely on his misrepresentation of which he actually did to his own detriment.

      Do not let Katsukity escape from liability or else he will commit similar tortious conducts to others in the community.

      [–]ReasonShallPrevail 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dr. Reason (PHD of Economics)

      Aye, behold my powers of addition and multiplication!

      [–]Erekai 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If it weren't for you, I'd probably never know how much I could expect to pay for a bust of Lionel Ritchie made out of chocolate. Thank you, noble citizen.

      [–]WhyBeAre 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Only thing I notice is that price for YouTube's average CPM is not the money a content creator would make, that is the price an advertiser would pay YouTube for the ads. YouTube takes a 45% cut to pay for servers, and the content creators get the remaining 55%.

      [–]AlphaZealot 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Lots of missing math here:

      • Twitch takes 50% of the $5 monthly subs

      • YouTube CPM is before the split, YouTube is going to take about half unless your in an MCN (which will likely mean higher CPM and more favorable split), and CPM is also not static - chances are the CPM is going to be less than $7 (or $3.50 after the split) unless you are a very popular channel

      • Twitch CPM is less than YouTube by a fair amount

      • You need to factor in adblock on both platforms, best case 30%-40% of viewers are adblocking and worst case 60%-70% are ad blocking

      • You also need to subtract out bots which is usually done during reconciliation for ad payments

      • And as a final aside, you need to be setup as a partner channel on both platforms, with forms filled out for taxation (of which you will be losing the full cost of medicare/social security since it is considered self employment) and payments will be coming Net 60 after the end of the month (so October payment will not be seen until January 1)

      Summary - not even close to $1,400.

      [–]ReasonShallPrevail 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, it definitely isn't the most accurate of estimates, but a lot of the data required (I.e. percentage of Adblock users, the nature/number of ads displayed, the precise Twitch CPM, Twitch's view intervals, M2K's actual sub cut, his actual CPM, and the precise number of bots, etc.) is missing, so I did what I could with what was available.

      Regardless of what the missing variables might be, I'd say that it's safe to say that M2K lost out on a good bit of cash and social capital.

      [–]Darkurai 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      /r/theydidthemath

      [–]r_stronghammer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      /r/theydidthemonstermath

      [–]hustleforsports 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      waahhhooooooohhh

      [–]TheExaltedFox 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /r/notthisshitagain

      [–]DigbyMayor 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      /r/itwasagraveyardgraph

      [–]HalfGhost27 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Love.

      [–]LWD3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thanks, man. I've been wondering what the going rate for busts of Lionel Richie made of chocolate had been going for. Been hanging on to this thing for way too long.

      [–]abdrone 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Your username and post are good and you should feel good.

      [–]albinorhino191 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No statement has ever been truer.

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        [–]hamyojo 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Actually, due to the Subscriber thing, it'd be much, much more money.

        [–]OppaWumboStyle 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Money match, 1v1 final destination, no items, foxes only, winner takes all

        [–]Ovioda 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        M2K would go marth in that situation.

        [–]Koog330 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        M2K is the only one who can go Marth in a Fox only match.

        [–]the_best_noob 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Provided it is on FD, that is.

        [–]Cozmosus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Imagine on the off-chance that Katsukity manages to win by chance somehow and M2K got screwed out of all his money.

        [–]BombTicker 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        they cheat falco into the game with the money they made off of scamming m2k and take advantage of m2k's falco trouble by pillar comboing him into oblivion. m2k just couldn't take the heat, Katsukity is now top tier on m2k's tier list.

        [–]GrabToWin 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        And katsukity recorded the whole thing.

        [–]JordanTri-Fource 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        With their own faulty equipment.

        [–]Koog330 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And made approximately $1,024 off of it.

        [–]WrestlinFan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hire Mango as a paid assassin.

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          [–]TuxedoMob 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sue2King

          [–]Totally_a_Banana 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          SETTLE IT WITH SMASH!!!

          [–]guy1853 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Cue donkey kong scream

          [–]ryanfreeborn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Threatening litigation is rarely the best option

          [–]vileguynsj 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          There's not even a case. They might owe him the cost of the product, depending on their refund/purchase policy, but they don't owe him lost revenue from being unable to stream.

          [–]PlNG 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Paid with a credit card? Chargeback. It will cost them money.

          [–]metroids224 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You shouldn't ever threaten to sue, unless you're prepared to ACTUALLY sue. Just a life tip. Most people will call your bluff.

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            [–]xD1x 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I purchased a capture device from KatsuKity and had no issues. This seems to be an isolated issue. I'm sorry you had to go through this M2K.

            [–]mew2king[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Me (twice), Zero, and Gimr had issues, and various other people who's names I don't remember. I do not think it is isolated for this reason. I believe (but am not 100% sure) that leffen is also having issues but that part may or may not be true.

            [–]iMilky 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            KatsuKity's whole idea with the internal equipment is not the greatest idea anyways. Due to the limitations of making it internal, he had to get rid of a heat sink, which obviously leads to all of the overheating we've been hearing from his products.

            [–]JarekBloodDragon 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            All the people saying go to court. lol, seriously? Just file a chargeback, problem solved

            [–]pseudomac 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            For real, its technically not Katsukitty's fault that her lost subs. What if instead of Katsukitty, it was Amazon or something not getting him his game on time? There is no reason to file a lawsuit over this.

            [–]mew2king[S] 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (15子コメント)

            Sorry did I say I lost 40 subs?

            I meant to say I lost 65 Subs in that time period

            thank you katsukity for screwing me over a lot and not caring at all

            [–]ReasonShallPrevail 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Have you tried to make your stance within the community clear to them?

            Not only would this open the door for claims of reparations and financial injury, but they would also come to realize that screwing with you could result in plenty of bad PR, and thus a significant drop in sales.

            [–]mew2king[S] 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I made it VERY, VERY clear, many times via emails back and forth. So don't worry.

            [–]uber1337h4xx0r 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Post the conversation here; we love giving karma for exchanges like that!

            [–]notPRO210 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            wow, I'm so sorry to hear that. don't let it get you down. that company is crap and you'll get back better subs in no time. :)

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              [–]Keitaro123 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              My capture card from Loopy broke after literally one day of use. I emailed him and he responded within 2 minutes. He offered to fix it for free. I sent the item out to him Thursday and got it back on Saturday 0_o

              Loopy is certainly the way to go. Fixed it for free and repair was faster than anything I've ever seen.

              Very happy I listened to Shofu when he suggested Loopy over Katsukitty. Loopy's website can be seen here: www.3dscapture.com

              [–]miker35591 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You should...settle it in smash!

              [–]Meyguhmein 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              *in

              [–]TrivialCipher 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (39子コメント)

              Whoa crap. Thanks for giving us the heads up. Isn't something they're doing illegal? I could see you taking action if you felt the desire. But it also sounds difficult/costly. Sorry you got screwed by this :(

              [–]OppaWumboStyle 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (27子コメント)

              Id take action over something a lot less than 430 bucks

              [–]TrivialCipher 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              A threat of legal action? You bet. But going to court isn't easy. I can get why he may not be interested.

              [–]supersonic159 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Small claims court would easily be able to cover and win this.

              [–]TrivialCipher 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              /u/Jonyb222 brought up my point. I don't know if small claims would be able to handle this if it was an international problem. I don't know the legal world all that well, and I know Reddit loves justice. But I don't think it's as easy as people may think in this situation.

              [–]supersonic159 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Oh I didn't know that. That complicates things a little bit.

              [–]ZGiSH 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Even if it wasn't international this would be hard to bring up in a small claims court. All lost income is assumed, this isn't directly analogous to a work injury.

              You can probably bring up selling faulty product but at that point, it's just not worth bringing it to court and i'm going to be real honest, I doubt M2K would have the gall to go legal on someone's ass.

              [–]vileguynsj 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The lost income is in no way the responsibility of the seller. What part of the sale has anything to do with his business? He's buying a product that didn't work. If that stops him from working, it's his problem. If the faulty capture device was responsible for breaking his 3DS, that would be another issue.

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                [–]OppaWumboStyle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Bingo

                [–]Doctursea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If they're in different states wouldn't it be more complicated? I'm not sure that the cost and time would be worth it. SCC is partially based on both parties responding, and all the time they don't or stall is money.

                [–]micks1412 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                It's more than the cost of the capture card. M2K lost a lot more money in terms of the potential income lost due to not being able to stream. He's lost over 60 subscribers on twitch and he would have gained even more.

                [–]OppaWumboStyle 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                Considering that as well I would definitely take legal action

                [–]vileguynsj 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                If you buy a car to travel to work, and it breaks down, the dealer doesn't owe you the wages for missed hours. They aren't responsible for his lost income.

                [–]dragonnyxx 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Why is /u/vileguynsj being downvoted? He's absolutely correct.

                Sure, you could potentially argue that maybe they should be responsible, but the point isn't whether they should or shouldn't. The point is that they're not.

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                    [–]Jonyb222 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    He's american and they seem to be Japanese, legal action would be exceedingly difficult, and certainly not worth a "mere" 430$.

                    Edit: Just saw your other post, so this is mostly for other people's benefit.

                    [–]OppaWumboStyle 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    He also lost subscribers and ad revenue since he couldn't stream which is his job

                    [–]Jonyb222 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Good point, but the fact remains that there doesn't exist a civil court (or equivalent appeals process) with jurisdiction to prosecute them on his behalf.

                    He can however do what he is doing and spread the word about the poor service, which may harm them and make them do something about it.

                    [–]shaneathan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Would Japan not have something equivalent to a small claims court?

                    [–]rayzorium 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Not familiar with the specifics of their legal system but it's safe to say that he'd have to fly there or hire a Japanese attorney. And the attorney would definitely charge by the hour rather than a percentage of the winnings because the money damages are so low. The fees will rack up quickly.

                    There's no way for M2K to do this and not be down another several thousand dollars. Unless he's got a lot of disposable income and is willing to throw away money just to spite Katsukity, he has to let it go.

                    [–]6thGodBillTrinnen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The key word is "he", because they are not the ones responsible for how he makes his money. Things breaking is part of business, and although they sound like douches, they are not liable for his decision to make money using their equipment.

                    [–]GIMR 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Mine broke from plugging an audio cable into it. I looked inside and the capture device is touching the headphone input without any rubber or insulation in between. They said they'd fix it but there would be a repair fee

                    [–]Tainysi 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Someone posted this on Loopy's forum but Katsu is uttershit. Here's an imgur album explaining why he gives such terrible service and why it is. http://imgur.com/OcimsyF,JDj7IZq,81CFXU5 The first one is VERY impactful. Despite the MAIN difference is XL and normal, Loopy states that he plans on finish the XL boards by the end of the month and will only be charging 200$-ish. Just be patient you guys and he will save you from the Devil that is Katsukity who probably prevented mewtwo,ridley, wolf and iceclimbers from coming back to smash. My friend also has one from katsuki and the board is always so loose (hear this form MULTIPLE streamers.) My friend literally has to squeeze the bottom screen to get it working for the stream.

                    [–]Sages 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Isn't Katsukitty the only known source providing 3DS XL capture kits?

                    [–]ShadowMario3 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Sadly. Loopy will have them ready soon though.

                    [–]Sages 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    That's good to hear. Although the new 3DS is right around the corner. Plus Wii U version will most likely take over stream popularity.

                    [–]ShadowMario3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Loopy said that the new Capture Board's software for the 3DS XL should be able to easily translate to the 2DS, 3DS, New 3DS, and New 3DS XL. The shape of the board needs to be changed.

                    I can definitely see the Wii U version overtaking due to ease of use for recording it.

                    [–]infectedego 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That is insane! I agree with OppaWumbo, threaten a lawsuit. You paid for a working product, and got garbage. You deserve either the product in working order OR your money back, and most certainly an apology letter.

                    [–]zipzo6 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                    Mew2king, as you know I'm in Japan and I have all my streaming handiwork done by Katsukitty, I'm a regular customer there. If you need some help communicating with him more directly to figure out your issues I can probably help you out with that.

                    It's worth noting that doing business with any internationally-distanced company is always going to appear difficult and be prone to...well...inconsistency, due to the fact that any problems will have to result in a round trip across the world all over again, but as a local I can vouch for the complete reliability of his products. If I ever have an issue (which was never), I can easily go to his location and have him fix anything or give me the support that is necessary. I don't promote shit slinging his company for the great experience he's provided me, but I'd still be willing to help you out if you need a middle man.

                    [–]JoeSchemoe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Could I pm you and get an update on the status of my order number? I've been left high and dry for three weeks now. "It usually ships in a week" is right on the website.

                    [–]JoeSchemoe 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Could I pm you and get an update on the status of my order number? I've been left high and dry for three weeks now. "It usually ships in a week" is right on the website.

                    [–]uber1337h4xx0r 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Have him repair the ds in question. It's better than nothing.

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                      [–]supersonic159 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Mew2King, you really need to go to Small Claims Court. This is your best option and in your situation you have a very very good chance of winning and it will cost next to nothing! DO IT, do not delay!

                      Edit: did not know this company was located in Japan, that obviously makes this a bit more complicated. You should still go talk to your bank as some people have suggested.

                      [–]uber1337h4xx0r 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'd like to see a SCC that can scare sometime way out in Japan.

                      [–]mattdane 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      yes, I'm sure they'll get super scared in Japan...

                      [–]Acidictadpole 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Small claims doing international disputes? Unlikely. It's hardly his best option.

                      His best option would be to contact his bank.

                      [–]Calnex1914 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I would love to see this, just because I find the idea of someone trying to get someone in Japan to come to small claims court.

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                        [–]cantsingh 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        KatsuKity is claiming you had some pretty outrageous demands. would you be willing to share your email correspondence with them?

                        [–]BillNyez 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        They are ridiculous

                        [–]bestfriendz 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        No johns

                        [–]HokutoNoChen 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        M2K is the like the most unlucky guy ever, you always hear a story about how he got screwed somehow.

                        [–]astrnght_mike_dexter 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's probably not just bad luck.

                        [–]rayzorium 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's obviously not realistic to take him to court, but what you're doing now is striking a much bigger blow than a settlement ever could. Go the extra mile. Buy from Loopy and endorse him. =)

                        [–]DemLuckyCharms 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'd also like to post here that Loopy over in Utah is fantastic. Sent over my 3ds and got it back in a week-ish. Definitely highly recommend his service.

                        [–]MhaelFarShain 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Wow, take them to small claims. In Canada at least, small claims favors the customer(victim) more often than the company. You might not get as much back as if you had gone and straight up sued, but you may stand a better chance at getting your money back at least.

                        [–]stolencatkarma 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Chargeback

                        [–]ComputersAreCool 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Why didn't you buy the same capture card that Zero bought?

                        [–]cschlau 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Do what I do and use your laptop camera. Good 'nuff ;) http://www.twitch.tv/retrogaijin .....proof. also, sorry to hear that happened to you, see you online soon

                        [–]IndianaGroans 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Quality, basically. Same reason why people who stream xbox/ps3 games don't just point a webcam at the tv. I mean it's fine if you do! It's your channel, do what you want, but I've shilled out cash on 2 capture cards for 4 consoles and will end up buying one for a 3ds whenever I have time. Might just wait until the XL versions come out.

                        [–]Morf64 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        M2k just jv5'd that business.

                        [–]NightroGlycerine 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        ITT: Smashers attempt tort law.

                        [–]oooooooooomg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        lol i didnt notice who psoted this then i was like, oh crap its m2k

                        [–]Chronixx 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Why didn't you just stream something else instead? It's weird how GIMR, Shofu, PBNJ, ZeRo and other streamers had no hiccups and you did....

                        [–]fireb0rnMC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Several people have had issues with katsukity. And M2K has been streaming melee when he hasn't been at events.

                        Literally within a few posts below yours:

                        http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2haztu/do_not_buy_anything_from_katsukity/ckr0mht http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2haztu/do_not_buy_anything_from_katsukity/ckrls99

                        [–]RadiantSun 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Because M2K is kind of a sore dick when it comes to playing the blame game.

                        [–]Noiblade 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        If you're gonna get one, get one from here. People always say good things about them, they also hardly break.

                        Sorry this happened to you, bro.

                        [–]TommoPuppy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        The thing is that Loopy doesn't do XL kits, as far as I know anyway. I assume that's why Mew2King went with Katsukitty.

                        [–]SabinMoon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        XL's are coming soon.

                        [–]TommoPuppy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        That's what I thought, but I wasn't entirely sure.

                        [–]Purplestackz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Well M2K, just have a WiiU capture card ready when the console version releases, you'd probably make back all of the subscribers you lost with this hiccup.

                        [–]Nico_is_not_a_god 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        There's no such thing as a wii u capture card, any capture card that works with your TV works with WiiU. It won't capture the game pad but most games where that matters let you put the GP screen on the main screen

                        [–]AceSox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I hope you still plan to stream once this all gets sorted out. I'd watch and probably sub too.

                        [–]WeskerFare 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        0.0 I was just about to buy it...thanks for the heads up.

                        [–]ShadowMario3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Indeed. From what I heard, Katsukity also had a "use limit" on his software, whatever that is. Also, unlike Loopy's, you can't even use the software to record what you're seeing on the computer, have to use a recorder like XSplit or Fraps to do so. I'd rather trust Loopy. Sure, he takes longer, but comes out with more reliable products. Got the Capture Board from him two years ago, and had no hiccup since. Loopy stated that he's nearly done with the XL capture board, and once that is done, it'll be very easy to move to the 2DS other than the board shape. Hopefully same for the New 3DS and New 3DS XL when those are out.

                        [–]Gold_Jacobson 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Don't worry about followers and subscribers, you'll get them when you do eventually get set up. People will want to sub to play with you, just like zero does. So, don't worry about that. That'll work out in the near future.

                        [–]SalamiJack 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        While this is unfortunate:

                        1) The world doesn't revolve around your ability to stream, unplanned things happen.

                        2) It is not "their fault" you lost 65 subs. It is up to you to provide entertaining content worth subscribing to, regardless of the situation.

                        Overall this post comes off as incredibly whiney. If equipment is faulty, get your money back and move on.

                        [–]wetterdew 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        While I partly agree with you, I also think it's good to make sure that if a company screws you over, you post negative reviews about them online so that they don't get away with it scott free.

                        [–]iamrandomperson 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Don't know how he's going to get his money back but ok.

                        [–]donpianta [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                        I guilded this post because people need to realize that you are 100% correct. mew2king is whining and throwing a temper tantrum, it's as simple as that.

                        [–]Jon_targaryen1 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Lol M2k

                        [–]TouphiLTouphi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        The 65 subs thing comes off as super whiny. Like, I understand venting, but that's something you probably keep to yourself lest you sound entitled.

                        [–]Ashtendoh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Who wouldn't wine over losing money from their profession because of people frauding him? Yes I'm sure if you lost money cause of someone else you wouldn't complain. "Entitled"

                        [–]TouphiLTouphi 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I sure wouldn't whine about it publicly to my potential client base. It'd be like a pizza chain throwing out a commercial saying "man, we're really bummed the great pepperoni shortage of '09 has lost us so many sales." It's simply not good business etiquette.

                        I'm not saying he's not allowed to be sad about it, just saying this isn't the right venue for it.

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                          [–]FuriousTarts 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          This really sucks for M2K. Like really sucks. All of the people in here who are saying things like, "don't worry you'll get your subs back!" and "just wait for the Wii U version" have to understand that probably more than half of the followers/subs are because they are playing a game that is not out yet for the majority of people. Many people are going to Twitch just to see the new mechanics/match-ups/moves. Once the game comes out not only will people not care because they have the game but the Twitch channel will get even more flooded with streams. ZeRo isn't even that fun to watch yet he's where he is at because he got there first. M2K lost quite a lot of revenue here that won't be easy to make-up once everyone has the game and would rather play than watch someone play.

                          [–]Yebrah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          You would provide the exact same kind of content as ZeRo though. Constantly playing for glory and talking shit about your opponents, or cry and whine that the match up you're currently playing isn't fun because you're getting slaughtered.

                          [–]Sages 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Isn't the point of watching ZeRo or M2K, to gain perspective and insight from top competitive players? Sure you don't have to agree with their opinions, and you can take away whatever they say about the game/characters as you will, but the point is they've proven to be good competitively, therefore their opinions and comments carry a bit more weight than say Cobermani commentating on a friendlies he's having with Shofu.

                          Streams don't have to all be similar.

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                            [–]Raistlin719 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            You know, I know a guy who just passed the bar (that guy is me).

                            [–]uber1337h4xx0r 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I dunno, your hourglass eyes lead me to be really suspicious about your trustworthiness.

                            [–]Raistlin719 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well referenced

                            [–]PixelPerfectPlays 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            lol m2k

                            [–]The_M4G 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            M2K, why does it seem like you're always the one who is unfairly taken advantage of?

                            You gotta look before you leap man.

                            [–]mew2king[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This situation was actually very bad luck honestly. I ordered 2 months ago about the same time as Zero and both of us had problems but his was still working where as mine would not turn back on. This situation is actually just unlucky. And yes I understand I get unlucky a lot but I mean it when I say that it is actually just pure bad luck. It's really just the truth.

                            [–]KillerIsJed -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (23子コメント)

                            As a streamer who has two 3DSXL from Katsu Kity let me provide my experience.

                            I sent my American 3DSXL over, asked to have the IR port maintained (cost a lil more) and they were very helpful and talked on e-mail. I sent it and got it back, ready to go in 6 days total turn time. Pretty impressive.

                            I then ordered a Japanese 3DS, but it came with the IR port missing for the capture device. So I emailed them, they paid for return shipping and quickly got me another replacement and it has worked fine.

                            I'm not sure why you are having issues, or what the "bad equipment" you've gotten is, but I've had nothing but good experiences with KatsuKity.

                            You could try the American guy, but from what I hear is he has been backordered for months.

                            Most people order the equipment and don't have USB 3.0 or good USBs to handle it.

                            Also, I don't really understand how this has ANYTHING to do with /r/smashbros.

                            [–]Noiblade 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Also, I don't really understand how this has ANYTHING to do with /r/smashbros

                            Because a lot of people may be interested in streaming Smash 3DS, I think this is really relevant.

                            [–]mew2king[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                            And I understand your situation and I will tell you that my experience was the 100% opposite of yours.

                            [–]Ceridran 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Moreso 98% as you both had tried to use a 3DS(XL?) as opposed to one of you using a turkey.

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                              [–]Tainysi 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              There are tons of people getting 3DS capture cards who want to stream smash 4, it has ALL the reason to do with it.

                              [–]skymallow 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Also, I don't really understand how this has ANYTHING to do with /r/smashbros.

                              There's a demand for capture cards generated within /r/smashbros. What don't you understand?

                              [–]confessionalEspurr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Also, I don't really understand how this has ANYTHING to do with /r/smashbros[1]

                              You can't be serious.

                              [–]Smashbro29 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Unrelated question, can it be any USB 3.0 or does it need to be Rensas?

                              [–]KillerIsJed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              You don't even NEED USB 3.0, but it doesn't hurt. There are so many things that are shitty with USB in general that most people don't know about.

                              Like how having 3 of them on your motherboard doesn't mean you can use all three at once at full speed, etc.

                              [–]Smashbro29 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Ok so it's really more of a higher end USB 2.0 device?

                              [–]Sages 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Question, is Katsukitty the only person providing XL-sized capture kits? I've attempted to look at this site before but it's not clear to me.

                              • I see for $239.56 - the Kit without the console. Product27
                              • And for $468.61 - the Kit with the console. Product24

                              Is the $239.56 version the only fee you pay? Or is there something else? It doesn't describe the process of shipping the item to them or how much that costs. It also says battery not included, what does that mean is there something else I should note about this?

                              [–]MrMiyamoto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They have a DHL number that you use for shipping there at no extra cost to you.

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                                [–]Gyper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I've heard nothing but bad things from Katsu's hardware and not to mention I heard his software isn't up to par compared to loopy.

                                But yeah, if you want a capture card on your 3DS, Loopy is definitely the way to go.

                                [–]blakinola 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Sorry bro that this happened. Try another company. You won't get them in court, they are in Japan, it's not worth fighting over.

                                Also soon will be the Wii U version.

                                [–]Thatchner 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Oh fuck, I just bought a 3DS XL capture device from them not too long ago.

                                [–]nova2wl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Did you happen to by by credit card or by PayPal? Either way, the companies will always side with the buyer first so getting a charge back is actually a pretty painless process in my experience. This will at least get you the cost of the DS back which is better than nothing.

                                [–]Smished -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                just as a heads up Jason, be sure you've got evidence of what you're saying. without it you're open to a lawsuit for defamation i believe

                                [–]HalfBakedCheeto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Thanks for the warning.

                                [–]MrMiyamoto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I have a 3DS XL over there right now. :| They've been great with communication so far, so we'll see how it goes.

                                [–]Ruashua 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That sucks. What is the next step then?

                                [–]codefreak8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Stick with 3DScapture.com from what I hear Loopy has great service and updates progress on his forum. I would imagine he is pretty busy right now with the Sm4sh NA release just over a week away.

                                I should also note that he repairs the cards for free, or so I've heard, and I believe he also provides replacement cables to connect the device to the computer. You can find more out at the 3DScapture.com website.

                                [–]KarmaicAvidity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Thank you for the heads up! Sorry you had to waste your money man :/ Wish you all the best!

                                [–]JoeSchemoe 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Wish I knew this a month ago. Ordered a 3DS kit on September 8, I still haven't been notified that it has shipped. Going to contact Katsu and if I don't get answers that its on its way I'm ordering a chargeback.

                                [–]DirtSack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Thanks for the heads up. I was actually going to Japan in a few weeks to get this done.

                                [–]V1bration 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                M2K, you're fucking awesome. I'm sorry that company screwed you over. It's a good thing this thread was upvoted a lot so people can see.

                                lol m2k

                                [–]b2j135 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                damn...

                                [–]Gibbbbb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I just purchased a bunch of stuff (in the hundreds of $$s) from this site b4 seeing this post....

                                [–]bauth [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                                Why does M2K seem to always have shit luck?

                                I don't even believe in luck, but his luck is absolute shit.

                                [–]Hibiki_ [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

                                I don't know what this fuzz i about. Apparently M2K had a bad experience, but this single case doesn't warrant crapping all over Katsukity and his shop.

                                I met Katsukity in person before in his office in Japan, where I picked up my capture card in September. He's legit a really nice guy, runs a nice small business and produces quality stuff.

                                I don't know what happened with M2K, but seeing katsukity's side of the whole deal it seems to me that M2k is very immature about the whole thing, leading to even more inconveniences.

                                [–]mew2king[S] [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

                                Yea I probably handled it pretty badly, I see that now. But I still think giving a bad review for bad products is fair and the right choice because otherwise other smashers will get into that situation (decent chance based off of luck) as well. My primary goal of the thread was to prevent that. A 2ndary goal was revenge, but not nearly as powerful as my primary goal. So I hope this helps to explain things.

                                [–]Clbull -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                And not ONE person at Nintendo thought it would be a good idea to include Twitch streaming support on the New 3DS?

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