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[–]gulpandbarf -11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 8 時間 前 (22子コメント)
That's why they buy from overpriced organic farm market where the produce are picked by hipsters.
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[–]Wild__Card__Bitches 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (5子コメント)
But you think hippies do? Do you know what a hippie is?
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[–]Wild__Card__Bitches 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Um. Pot is a weed. It is super easy to grow and requires no job.
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[–]Wild__Card__Bitches 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
No, I don't think I did.
[+]Zombie_Lover スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 8 時間 前 (14子コメント)
And who works their ass of pollinating all those fruit and vegetable plants? Bees. Made with bee labor. I think vegans need to start eating dirt. Wait, dirt contains micro-organisms that want to live just like the rest of us. Water as well.
[–]Mongoosen42 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 8 時間 前 (13子コメント)
bees polinate things on their own. We have no problem with that. But they deserve to keep the honey they make for themselves as a result of that labor.
[–]reallygreatdrugs 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 時間 前 (12子コメント)
How many beekeepers do you know? If a beekeeper took too much honey, they would no longer have suppliers for that honey to make a profit. They take a small percentage. They cannot take more than the bees need to survive; this is not logical or even remotely good business. Support local beekeepers that are doing their part to give bees a home and keep them healthy if your worry is commercial "honey".
[–]Mongoosen42 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (11子コメント)
I know a handful of beekeepers actually. And a lot of beekeepers (not the ones I know) give the bees sugar water for nutrients and take the vast majority of the honey. It's a pretty common practice.
[–]Negranon 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (6子コメント)
So there is equivalent exchange. What's the problem? The bees don't give a fuck.
[–]Mongoosen42 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 7 時間 前 (5子コメント)
it's not equivalent. It's much less nutritious, and the bees do give a fuck because it's not what they made for themselves. If you had a nice ripe tomato that you spend your time and energy cultivating and someone came and took it and gave you few packets of cheap ketchup, you'de be fucking pissed.
[–]Negranon 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Yeah but I am also not a bee.
[–]Mongoosen42 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 7 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I don't have the energy to get into an argument about sentience. It's 1:00 AM where I live and I'm going to sleep. But ask yourself: why do you think that bees aren't capable of feeling negative emotions at having honey taken? Why do you think bees are incapable of having a subjective experience that can be either positive or negative? Do you have any evidence of this, or is it simply an assumption you have always taken for granted?
And if you do think bees can have such an experience and you simply don't care because they are not human, I will point out that this dismissal of the experience of the "other" is exactly the same thinking that drives racism, sexism, and any other kind of ism. And in fact the believe that animals can have an experience but that their experience doesn't matter simply because they are not human is what we refer to as speciesism.
[–]mansky 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Just shut the fuck up with the isms.
[–]Negranon 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
lol okay you're right
[–]reallygreatdrugs -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 7 時間 前 (3子コメント)
"There's some bad ones so screw the whole industry" is ridiculous.
[–]Mongoosen42 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 7 時間 前 (2子コメント)
That's the general practice. Unless you personally know the beekeepers, that's what you can assume is happening. How many beekeepers do you know?
[–]reallygreatdrugs 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yes, we have many good apiaries here. I'm lucky to live in an area with a great focus on local beekeepers and supporters. They're good people selling amazing local honey that are keeping healthy bee colonies and trying to do their best, as we are finding thousands dead in parking lots. You just said the ones you know don't use commercial practices but you're stuck on commercial beekeeping and those who do. You acknowledge the existence of good beekeeping, yet shun it by implying that general practice means we should stamp the entire practice of beekeeping with a bad seal. Taking extra honey from a hive that has overproduced, as they all do, wild or in a kept hive, is not hurting a bee colony. To a small-time beekeeper that still relies on this as a source of income, especially here and now where I am where we're finding so many dead bees of various types, and other pollinators, it is just not logical to risk your hive's health or lives. I will continue to support them and encourage others to do so. Their bees are helping pollinate the food and plants those farmers sell as well. They get a safe place to live and aren't dying off en masse. Not shocking. They're well-taken care of. If you think every single apiary is just slinging syrup at their bees, you aren't talking to enough apiaries or reading enough material. Syrups are not the only supplemental feed, and supplemental feeds are not necessarily used just because they can be used. They're used in bad crop seasons, a harsh or sudden frost, and if a hive is found to have an illness to treat them back to health. Bees can go through their honey over the winter even if you have not harvested from them. It doesn't matter if they are wild or if they're cared for by a keeper; it happens and it can be dealt with safely.
Again, "general practice" of commercial industry is not a golden ticket to go around shunning every producing apiary or to omit important information about healthy beekeeping to get others to see your ways. There's nothing wrong with being vegan, but there's a reason people get defensive when you're going around comparing every local producer of something you're against consuming or using to their commercial counterpart as if that "general practice" is the only practice.
[–]Mongoosen42 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 54 分 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks for educating me. Thats good info.
By the way, I was never condemning the entire inudustry. Like I said, I have a few friends that are bee keepers, and in the scheme of things that vegans care about, honey is at the bottom of the list. There are a significant number of people who consider themselves vegan and still consume honey, and I honestly have no problem with this.
More I was making an effort to get people to conciously think about where the products they take for granted come from. Because I think the assumption that everything is just fine and that theres never anything to be concernwd about, the kind of general apathy that was being displayed regarding the products we consume and the conditions that are sometimes created to get those products, is far more harmful and in need of change than the honey industry itself.
If I went a bit overboard in my attempt to elicit thought, my oppology. And I thank you can commend you for your efforts to support ethical honey.
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