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[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (26子コメント)

For all concerned about modding (and told me to sod off when I told them of such)

From: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2014/sept14/09-15news.aspx

Microsoft’s investments in cloud and mobile technologies will enable “Minecraft” players to benefit from... more powerful development tools...

So in other words they are going to improve the modding situation.

Now, please downvote me for not contributing to the MS (aka NSASoft btw we fucking love Sony) is evil circlejerk

[–]e5x 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not going to downvote you but nothing in the press release is related to modding. The bit you quoted is talking about tools for the developers. And the bit about cloud and mobile technologies is nothing more than PR buzzwords.

[–]NazzerDawk [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I feel like you don't understand any of the words used in that quote.

Loo, the PC version of Minecraft is not the leading seller. The Mobile and Xbox 360 versions are. The average person who doesn't play Minecraft will think of it as a console game first, not a PC game.

The PC version is where the top part of the community produces the content that engenders the game's continued success though. Microsoft isn't going to squander that portion of the game, and they know they will lose a lot of sales if they let the Modding community wither and die.

Developing tools for Mojang to continue producing content and updates means a lot of work and a lot of money, and since this is Microsoft, they will be documenting every feature and will deticate staff to maintaining the development platform for a while. That costs money that doesn't inherently translate to more profits, just speedier development times. Microsoft is smart enough to know that they will need to make portions of these tools available for fans to produce mods. It's just like Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls Construction Set. That's actually the internal tool used for development of TES, modified and limited somewhat for modders to create an ecosystem that allowed sales of Oblivion to continue to surge even after Skyrim was released.

Without mods, the PC community on Minecraft would wither down to people like me, who don't use mods, and I am sure that I'm in a relative minority of Minecraft community members.

Don't get me started on the fact you think Cloud is just a buzzword in this context. Never heard of Realms? Azure?

[–]e5x [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You are refuting arguments that I haven't made. All I said is that the MS press release doesn't say anything about modding. I don't think Microsoft will do anything to break modding because they don't care about it. What they won't do is put money into resources for modders. And yeah, cloud is and will always be a buzzword. Realms and Azure are fancy names for hosted servers which have been around for 20+ years.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, it's talking about tools for the players. Hence it saying "players" and not "developers."

Get your fingers out of your ears and realise that their isn't some kind of fucking conspiracy.

And buzzwords in a PR release? Since when did that EVER happen? Unbelievable, that in this day and age press releases for the sole purpose of marketing has some marketing and executive buzzwords!

[–]e5x -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I didn't say anything about a conspiracy. I don't think Microsoft gives a shit about modding one way or another as long as it doesn't interfere with DLC plans. I think it's funny though that you sarcastically mock my mention of PR speak immediately after misinterpreting Microsoft's PR speak. How does "investments in cloud and mobile technologies" translate into modding tools for players? "Cloud technology" means locking your data into services controlled by Microsoft and making you pay for xbox live, and "mobile technologies" means apps with microtransactions and datamining for marketing purposes.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I give up.

You have deliberately ignored the phrase I used to go and grab another one, make up a meaning for it that contradicts me and then pretend that that is evidence for your argument.

I'm not responding to your previous comment, or any from you now on.

I only have so many brain cells.

Blocked.

[–]e5x [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

PR speak is composed of buzzwords. I didn't make anything up or change the meaning of what was being discussed.

[–]Shaper_pmp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course, those "more powerful development tools" could also mean anything up to and including tying people into Visual Studio for mod-development work, restricting/"encouraging" deployment of multiplayer servers to Azure cloud machines only, tying multiplayer Minecraft to Microsoft's "more powerful" XBox Live user-account system, rolling out more and better Windows Phone or Windows 8 dev tools and leaving the other platforms to languish, etc, etc.

You can't reasonably assume anything from such a vague, unqualified single statement... but you might be able to take a few educated guesses based on Microsoft's prior history over the last two decades, and that is certainly a worrying prospect at best.

Do I think these things are definitely going to happen? No.

Are all of those things easily hand-waved under the heading "more powerful development tools"? Yes, even trivially so in PR-speak.

[–]nizo505 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And by "more powerful development tools" you can bet your ass they aren't talking about java, or any open tools for that matter.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well if it makes it easier for modding devs and better for modding devs what does it matter?

Everybody wins in that situation.

[–]bgh251f2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except Linux users, like me.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They mentioned PC.

I think that is a blanket term involving Windows, OSX and Linux.

It seems too odd that they would say "PC" instead of just "Windows" when PC is a blanket term.

I'm very, very sure that Linux will still be made. Why would they keep on every platform except linux and OSX?

[–]bgh251f2 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

They will treat it like Skype. Skype for Linux is on version 4.3(where on the rest is 6.XX) and They haven't made any game/program for Linux, except Skype(that doesn't even have full facebook and Windows Messenger integration like it has on other platforms) so why do you think they will keep versions equal?

I couldn't care less about OSX, here on Brazil they are even more expensive than Windows(that costs more than minimal wage).

[–]JonXP 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The "benefit from more powerful development tools" could easily mean "we're using Visual Studio and C# so we can make an optimized Minecraft 2".

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Minecraft" players to benefit from... more powerful development tools...

That is all

[–]JonXP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Microsoft wouldn't call a more optimized Minecraft a benefit to the players?

[–]grammar_is_optional 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All it says it that Minecraft players will benefit from these tools, that doesn't mean players will necessarily get access to them, just "benefit" from them. I'm interested to see what this entails but you never know until the tools are there.

[–]IAMA_llAMA_AMA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like the news here, but for some reason it bothers me that they put Minecraft in quotations.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mentioning of the brand name.

Don't read too much into it.

It's like saying "reddit" users compared to reddit users. Reddit users could imply that Reddit is an adjective, like the word "bright" in bright red, or "miserable" in "you miserable bastard".

It's for investors more than anything.

[–]IAMA_llAMA_AMA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh sorry I wasn't clear. I know they had a good reason for it, it just bothered me for no good reason.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no problem!

[–]the_tubes -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah, by loading it with DRM.

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

wut.

You are ignoring everything they said to make something contradictory up and then get angry at it.

Get a grip. Moreso, get an education.

[–]the_tubes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think you understand what cloud technologies are. It's a form of DRM because it's server side. Also DOWNVOTES!

[–]Swaggy_McSwagSwag -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow.

I was mocking a stereotype when I mentioned the downvotes. I didn't realise that there are actually people who are an exact fit for the stereotype; loud, wannabe comedians who pretend to be funny, obnoxious, condescending, downright stupid, paranoid, self-entitled hypocrites who would be shouting from the rooftops if Sony or Nintendo did this, but now that it's evil moneysoft then booooo (despite probably typing your comment from a windows PC)

[–]WildVariety -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they're definitely going to charge for everything! Microsoft is the devil! They need to recoup the money from Minecraft somehow!

This community needs to get a fucking grip. Microsoft couldn't give a shit whether they ever turn a profit from Minecraft the game. What they care about is all those Minecraft players purchasing merchandise, going to events, and buying other microsoft products.

If Microsoft were the big bad you all fucking think they are, we wouldn't have had Red vs Blue, and other great stuff like that.