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[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (22子コメント)

This is going to sound very pricky and selfish, because it is. But let me explain myself.

Bayonetta 2 is pretty much the exact game I don't want. I don't like these insane Japanese titles with a niche Western appeal getting over here when the money could have been spent somewhere else. That being said, I understand that some people really really enjoy this type of game and I'm completely fine with that.

My "hope" have you, was that Bayonetta 2 sells awful to get Nintendo to spend to money to 3rd parties to get exclusive games that all people can enjoy. Instead of very niche Japanese game audiences.

Right now Nintendo's third party support is like a barren wasteland. And it's really dissapointing to me that they've been trying to hype up their one third party game, when it only appeals to such a niche audience.

What's even more ridiculous to me is that Nintendo got the rights for Bayonetta 2, when Bayonetta's games have never been on Nintendo. This could canabalize their sales even more, since a lot of Bayonetta's audience could be on other systems.

Sure, you could say that would make them buy a Wii U for this. But why not get a damn great game that appeals to everyone to sell Wii Us, instead of Bayonetta?

So that's why I was hoping Bayonetta didn't sell well, to get 3rd party exclusives that appeal to everyone and will sell their systems. They're hyping a game that isn't going to sell Wii U's in the biggest markets.

That ALL being said, if these guys want to get a movement to sell the game, all power to them. I would not be salty at all for Nintendo fans getting together to sell this. But I think the resources could be better spent on other titles.

Edit: Holy hell you guys are mad at me. If you're gonna reply. At least be calm instead of putting words in my mouth and treating me like a piece of shit.

[–]Cabbage_Vendor [非表示スコア]  (6子コメント)

Nintendo's third party exclusives would be almost guaranteed to be from a Japanese company(i.e. Capcom, Namco or Sega) and most of the games that they would be willing to be a Wii U exclusive are games with "limited appeal" or hastily done(see: Sonic exclusives).

Trying to get third party support, let alone exclusivity, from Western publishers is going to be a waste of time because their typical big hitters don't sell on Wii U at all(see: Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty,...). Nintendo and its possible third party publishers seem to have real troubles trying to get what types of games their audience does and don't want. Anything other than colourful platformers(Shovel Knight, Rayman) seems to sell poorly for 3rd parties.

Yes, Bayonetta is a weird, niche, mature game that doesn't seem to fit the Nintendo line-up, but at least it's an interesting effort and will no doubt be a great game for those that try it out.

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (5子コメント)

Thank you for making a kind explained reply. Everyone else is bashing me.

I didn't think of the location as a factor, yet I suppose it is. It is a shame Rayman Legends was ditched as an exclusive.

I guess what I'm saying is thinking more along the lines of "Okay I want a good 3rd party IP to fund" is a good strategy, yet it is still the one that landed them Bayonetta 2.

I guess my faith in Nintendo's 3rd party exclusives library would have been less worrying if their first big exclusive wasn't Bayonetta. I feel like they should succeed in that area first.

Damn, a new exclusive Megaman title would impress me (please be listening Nintendo)

[–]Cabbage_Vendor [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Their previous exclusives were ZombiU and Rabbids Land by Ubisoft, Sonic Lost World, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics by Sega and Wonderful 101 is sorta in the same catagory as Bayonetta 2.

[–]dispatcher_83 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

Nintendo doesn't own the mega man ip. Capcom does.

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

I'm aware. You mentioned third parties includint Capcom.

[–]dispatcher_83 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I mentioned nothing, I just corrected you. Different person replying here. You know for someone who is getting all offended you aren't paying attention to this whole thing very well.

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I don't think getting usernames mixed up is really "not paying attention" when all I'm getting is my inbox being filled with people losing their shit at me.

If anyone's offended here it's the people flaming me.

[–]AngryBarista [非表示スコア]  (4子コメント)

Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo. It's not as if BigN came to platinum, threw them a wad of cash and asked for exclusivity.

If you wanted third party support, buying Nintendo was a bad choice. If I wanted Assassins Creed, Madden and CoD2015 I would have got a PS4 or XBone. But no, I want Nintendo games because they don't come buggy, they care about consumers and they last many generations. It's an investment in entertainment over many years, not until the next $30 3 map dlc comes out or the next halo clone.

You can't be all "I don't want this third party game, where is my third party support". Here it is, TWO games for the price of one.

[–]Octavian- [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo. It's not as if BigN came to platinum, threw them a wad of cash and asked for exclusivity.

Ummm, these two sentences are completely contradictory. Bayo 2 wouldn't exist without nintendo precisely because they did go to platinum with a wad of cash and ask for exclusivity. That's what it means to bankroll a game. Nintendo paid for it, so it gets to be exclusive on their console.

If you wanted third party support, buying Nintendo was a bad choice. If I wanted Assassins Creed, Madden and CoD2015 I would have got a PS4 or XBone.

Third party support doesn't necessarily mean Ubisoft and EA shit games. Stop thinking that just because someone says they want third party support means they are saying they want Assassisn creed and COD. I also want nintendo games because they produce top quality games, but I also want Nintendo to have the same kind of third party support that made the SNES great. Some of the classics like Mega Man X, Street Fighter, Chrono Trigger, or Final Fantasy were produced by third parties. When I say I want third party support I'm not necessarily saying I want a specific franchise that exists elsewhere brought to the Wii U. I'm saying I want a huge library of great games like the SNES had. Nintendo can't produce a huge library all by itself.

You can't be all "I don't want this third party game, where is my third party support". Here it is, TWO games for the price of one.

Of course you can. While I appreciate Nintendo's effort with Bayo 2 and Hyrule warriors, it's misplaced and they need to recognize that. These are games that appeal to a very small audience and seem to exude ignorance of what the western market demands. I'm not saying I hate that they made Bayo 2. Some people will like it and that's good for them. But I do wish they were spending their time and resources on projects more likely to reach larger audiences.

[–]dispatcher_83 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

You can't compare classic exclusives (street fighter wasn't exclusive btw) when talking about the gaming industry. We went from a small, two major company market to an insanely expanded one within ten years during the time frame you mentioned. The industry just doesn't work like that, game development is now too expensive. However since we are talking about Nintendo, they still do this and have tried to do this. While 3rd party support has lacked they have still tried and focused I getting exclusive games through first and third party developers for the wii u and the 3 ds. Hell most of the wii I'a library is this case because of the technical aspect of the console vs the ps4/x1

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

That's not what I'm saying at all don't put words in my mouth.

I'm happy Nintendo made this game come to light for it's fans. But their fans aren't with Nintendo.

I didn't come to Nintendo for 3rd party games, don't put that in my mouth either. Just because I didn't come to Nintendo for 3rd party games, is no reason to expect a couple good exclusive ones. That includes Bayonetta 2 of course.

[–]AngryBarista [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Well I see what you are saying about third party exclusives that everyone can enjoy.

But the thing is, that's what Nintendo is for, games everyone can enjoy.

Third parties on Nintendo are for the niche games.

Yea Bayonetta is a bit niche, but so will Devils Third. Nintendo NEEDS these mature titles.

Did you play Wonderful 101 or Lego City Undercover?

[–]dispatcher_83 [非表示スコア]  (3子コメント)

You realize you just said you hope a company fails because you are a selfish child who doesn't like the genre, right?

No really. That's what you said. The game wouldn't exist and those people wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Nintendo. If the game does poorly enough those people could all lose their jobs, something the industry does not need more of because all this will do is limit the amount of original, and non cookie cutter games that come out in the future.

Grow up.

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (2子コメント)

Let's just ignore everything I said about if fans want to support it I love that and that I'm fine with the game existing it's just not my cup of tea.

Instead of finding reasons to curse somebody out and join the crowd in hating someone. Don't put words in someone's fucking mouth then tell them off for it.

Grow up.

[–]dispatcher_83 [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

I am sorry you are taking such issues with your own words, but read it again. I didn't put words in your mouth, I broken down what you said. I didn't curse you out, I made a suggestion regarding your statement. I read all the replies to your comment, they aren't wrong. You just come off as a Whiney selfish teenager.

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

Got yours mixed with another comment and for that I apologize.

It's not that you put words in my mouth. It's that you took very key ones out. I expressed my love for the community doing something like this and stated my opinion. People like you went apeshit just because I had a damn opinion.

The only whiny teenager here is the one who resorts to calling someone a child just because they disagree with another.

[–]ToxikWafflez [非表示スコア]  (1子コメント)

Video game equality bro

[–]Con0rr [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

And that was exactly what my post was about. Getting third party rights to games that all people can enjoy, instead of a very niche audience.

And I also ended the post saying that if these guys can pull it off then I support them every step of the way.

My post was only about video game equality.

[–]Diodemedes [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

We made Pong and Space Invaders. They gave us Donkey Kong and Zelda, arguably the precursors to every other modern genre in Western video games, which if you know your history, was a gamble to bring it to America, "money that could be better spent elsewhere." I don't always enjoy the niche appeal of some games, but every Nintendo game we love started as a gamble by Nintendo.

Besides, if this is successful enough, it means Nintendo has more money to work with to produce the games you like.

[–]Irru [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I hope you know that Platinum was looking for a publisher, and not the other way around.

Sony, Microsoft, and other publishers did not want to fund this game. Nintendo did, and that's why it's exclusive.

[–]Hibbity5 [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

What I just read was:

I hate Bayonetta 2 so no one else should be able to enjoy it. I would rather play Game A, which is available on other systems.

Seriously, you can mention the third party exclusive, but almost all third party exclusives don't remain exclusive unless they're being published (and partially developed by) the console maker (Bayonetta 2, Bloodborne, Demon Souls, possibly Scalebound). All other third party exclusives either become not exclusive (Rayman Legends) or are timed exclusives (the new Tomb Raider).

[–]catsaremyreligion [非表示スコア]  (0子コメント)

I think B2 selling awfully is bad for everyone. Consumers and Nintendo. Is everyone skeptical about how it's going to perform sales-wise? Sure. If anything, I think B2 selling well will encourage them to take more 3rd party risks as a whole. Just because Bayonetta is niche doesn't mean they're going to go down this rabbit-hole of producing more of the type.

In the event that it sells well, it seems much more likely for Nintendo to say "That 3rd party investment was worth it. Let's take more risks like that." Than for them to do the same if the game fails.