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[–]Lothrazar -42 ポイント-41 ポイント  (15子コメント)

One more person blaming Mojang, how nice.

[–]giverous 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Mojang fucked up big. Nothing that they did was illegal (that I'm aware of), but it sure as shit was unethical.

[–]DZCreeper 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (13子コメント)

They didn't even have to pay us. They should have and could have thanked their server community. If they weren't so worried about their precious swimming pools of money they would even open source the server side of the code.

[–]TitaniumTurtleSmall Whitelist Server -7 ポイント-6 ポイント  (12子コメント)

They won't open source the code because that would break the legitimacy and security of the servers.

Yes, servers are still vulnerable to certain exploits, but making them open source will exponentially increase the number of exploits available.

[–]phoenix616minebench.de 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Uhm, no? Not fixing the exploit makes them vulnarable. And exploits are faster found and fixed in an open source project because there are more eyes looking.

[–]TitaniumTurtleSmall Whitelist Server -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Now the issue is, that is your observation and opinion. They choose to approach it a different way. That way is working well for them.

Open sourcing is not some catch-all problem solver. If it were, everything would be open source. Them not doing so is not being they are money hoarding assholes as others are implying. It just means that they choose to do with their code what they believe is best.

[–]phoenix616minebench.de 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I totally understand thar other people have other opinions to the usefulness of open source but I don't think that I have to remind you that one of the most used operating systems is open source and it works.

That way is working well for them.

Also this is not true, as recent and past events show it is not working well.

[–]TitaniumTurtleSmall Whitelist Server -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not to bring the argument this way. But Linux is not exactly "one of the most used operating systems". And from a network security standpoint, open source it is not easy to harden.

In order for something to be hardened effectively, it needs a strong, legitimate community. Grabbing the latest distro of Ubuntu will result in a well built, well secured operating system. Grabbing the latest distro of "Johnny Boys Beast Great Free Awesome Linux Operating System!" will result in a bad time, and likely a significant security vulnerability.

I'm not saying that the community cannot create the Ubuntu equivalent of a Minecraft server, it is very possible. Mojang would likely benefit from this, and I'm sure they could incorporate some serious hardening to the server architecture. However, they are dealing with a paid service, and allowing the community to run rampant with the code will open up all sorts of possible server distros, putting legitimate paid accounts at risk. Logging into a public server could be a minefield, and several thousand accounts could be compromised by illegitimate distributions of the server.

Mojang went with protection by way of obfuscation and (essentially) least privilege. What you can't easily see, cannot be easily exploited. And denying the privilege to easily peer into the code protects it from the majority of trouble makers.

It is not ideal, but it does honestly work. I know that from our perspective, we see a train wreck. But the fact is, the vanilla server is still relevant and has not had any major, community crippling, exploitations exposed.

The model works, they just need a larger team of more knowledgeable networking professionals on staff. But that seems to divert from their model of small company, simple game.

[–]_Leliana_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not to bring the argument this way. But Linux is not exactly "one of the most used operating systems".

No, you're right, it's a kernel. GNU/Linux however, is the most used OS on servers. Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.

And from a network security standpoint, open source it is not easy to harden.

http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened_Gentoo

https://grsecurity.net/

http://selinuxproject.org/page/Main_Page

But no, I fucking love how you talk about security, then go on to shill Ubuntu, of all distros. Remember that time Ubuntu allowed privilege escalation just by changing the system time, which any user could do? Yeah. In the trash your opinion goes. If you really gave a shit about security, you'd use a hardened RHEL, or Gentoo, not Babbys First Linux™

What you can't easily see, cannot be easily exploited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2014_celebrity_photo_leaks

However, they are dealing with a paid service, and allowing the community to run rampant with the code will open up all sorts of possible server distros, putting legitimate paid accounts at risk.

This happened multiple times without them open sourcing the server.

Mojang went with protection by way of obfuscation and (essentially) least privilege. What you can't easily see, cannot be easily exploited. And denying the privilege to easily peer into the code protects it from the majority of trouble makers.

Security by obscurity is not security. Fuck off.

tl;dr, you sound like a Microsoft shill trying to peddle their latest "MUH CLOSED SOURCE SECURITY" OS to the ignorant masses. Go away.

[–]Guyagdev 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you're right, it's a kernel. GNU/Linux however, is the most used OS on servers. Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmQyvuQ0a_k

[–]TitaniumTurtleSmall Whitelist Server -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm not even going to acknowledge your response in a constructive way. You picked parts of my comment out of context and attacked them in order to fit your agenda. You know what I meant, but you are dead-set on making me appear wrong.

Also, this is just hateful and unnecessary. Put away whatever resentment it is that you have and participate in a constructive way. Your comment just makes you appear to have no idea what you are talking about.