[R] Where is the Muslim outrage?

1 ヶ月前

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jhatpat · 1 ヶ月前

In Syria Muslims have killed around 1.5 lac Muslims but I don't hear a single word from Indian Muslims against them, isn't this double standards?

eldaisfish · 1 ヶ月前

Ok. I'm tired of this bullshit.

Let's assume that you are right and take this statement.

I DO NOT believe that Muslims are a minority in India.

They are not a minority. They are the second largest majority. This minority image is a political stunt to gain votes. Plain and simple.

Then again, indian muslims are not one, homogeneous block. They have sects. Taken as a whole, they are not a minority.

Islam is a violent, fascist cult whose goal is to convert as many people as possible to it. Tolerance is not only absent, it is seen as a weakness that can be taken advantage of.

Granted, there are problems with the teachings of the religion as evidenced by so many but which religion is without fanatics? Remember that no reformation like event has happened in Islam. Instead, the broader Muslim world seems to be getting caught up in an often bloody debate about who the true muslims are. If you need a similar case in point, look at Ulster, in Ireland. Torn between Catholic and Protestant fanatics who are often violent. Isn't the goal of christianity, too, to convert the maximum number of people?

All religions can be called violent, fascist cults. In parts of the 'Christian' west, the religion has more elements of common sense but you cannot deny that blind fanaticism still exists. The problem in the muslim world is not helped in the least by the fact that modern education and science are often frowned upon. Add to this the problem of economic deprivation and you have a situation where religion becomes the opium of the masses. Whatever this religion, as proclaimed by it's high priests and imams, seems to believe will be exactly what the people will lap up. That said, there are several muslim scholars, even in supposedly evil Saudi Arabia, who have called the Taliban and ISIS exactly what they are. Terrorists.

The attitude of muslims to 'fringe extremist elements' seems to be one of passive ignorance and hence support. I cannot comment on this as i am not muslim myself and hence cannot speak for the community. There is a great deal of hypocrisy among Muslims when it comes to calling out the sins of their own. I, too, find this selective outrage targeted at Israel, to be strange given the fact that Muslims are slaughtering other muslims in Iraq, Iran and Pakistan.

Islam is the single biggest danger that India faces today and must be STRICTLY DEALT WITH, no matter what it takes.

Corruption, bigotry and ignorance coupled with economic deprivation are the biggest threats to India today. Islam is just a religion.

matdrawment · 1 ヶ月前

Is it just me, or are the views presented on r/india beginning to scare other people too now?

husainhz7 · 1 ヶ月前

Disclaimer: I am a Muslim. I hope you considered that you cannot blame the whole community for the action of a few. I know it is not a few. But these blood- thirsty people cannot be considered Muslims. Those who kill innocents are STRICTLY not Muslims. They may call themselves but are just blindly using religion as an excuse. Islam DOESN'T approve or encourage wars against non-believers. Most of these just uneducated people who have nothing to do. So please I hope you change your wordings and place groupings carefully, for if you continue I, a scout, topper, would be soon degraded to a damn terrorist.

realrocker · 1 ヶ月前

Cut them some slack. It's hard to get outraged with all the kebabs, biryanis, hot women, secret booze parties, porn videos and other everyday infidel things Indian Muslims indulge in. Won't outrage for what other moronic Muslims do only prove that they are one homogeneous unit? Your belief that Muslims in India are the most violent people is retarded. Seriously you think all the hordes of Salman Khan fan's in Bhopal and Lucknow are focusing on anything else other than their protein bulges. Holy book my ass. Indians Muslims are only as retarded as rest of the Indians.

Islam(or extremist Islam?) on the other hand is another issue. And IMO every damn religion has the same problems. It's just that Islam has historically the newest followers and enough numbers to matter in global geopolitics. It's impact on India has always been limited. Do you know how I know that? Because after 800 years of Muslim contact India is still dominantly Hindu. It's like common sense.

Just chill dude. You wastin' your time reading all the incendiary material. Everyday Muslims are becoming non-religious across the country. Same as Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Christians or other pulp-fictiony-religious-hippies.

Like four people went to Iraq. Blame all Indian Muslims for it. Really?

And remember the first rule: To fight a Nut-Job. Don't become a Nut-Job.

troll_e_azam · 1 ヶ月前

OP, the site you've linked is a hardcore anti-muslim Christian website. Please refrain from posting such bile here in the future.

There are some Muslim groups which oppose all this and even protest against it. However they get drowned in the noise.

And yes more Muslim moderates need to come out of the Community mentality and speak against the wrongs done by extremists in the name of their religion.

But your post is (probably intentionally) inflammatory and there's no way it is going to lead to a rational discussion.

karma_hunter · 1 ヶ月前

How can you request that comments follow reddiquette when you yourself are not doing the same?

rahultheinvader · 1 ヶ月前

OP,

I don't have a lot of links to lash at you to prove you are wrong. But generalizing an entire community based on isolated incidents are uncalled for.

For me there are good Hindus, bad Hindus, good Christians, bad Christians, good Muslims, bad Muslims. What I have for you is an incident that happened to my Uncle who still lives in Ahmedabad.

This was back in late 1980s when riots was commonplace in the city. So once, my uncle and aunt where out shopping in the city. It was just another day, but soon they realized that there was some riot broken our somewhere and there was a mob in the street calling blood. As they were inside a shop this mob just happened to come towards their street. This shopkeeper was a muslim, looking at my scared Uncle and Aunt, he took them to the backroom of his shop and confirmed that the mob has to pass through his dead body before they pass onto his customers. What followed was argument between these shopkeepers and the mob following which the mob dispersed.

Attack on civilians across the world, irrespective of caste, creed or community needs to be condemned. I understand that our new PM takes the words Vasudeva Kutumbakam by Sarvapallia Radhakrishnan close to his heart. I think we as citizens too need to share this sentiment if we wish to be part of greater community

rahulthewall · 1 ヶ月前

Dear OP,

You need better sources of history than Rajiv Dixit and P.N. Oak. You have presented your biased opinions as substantiated facts. You have absolutely no idea of history and you are merely hide your hatred of Islam and Muslims behind a veneer of facts.

1947- Muslims cause the partition of India.

Please, go out there and read some history books. Might I recommend Freedom at Midnight to understand how the partition was not just brought about by Muslims and how there were multiple factors at play.

A number of Muslim leaders in INC opposed partition and a significant number of Muslims decided to stay back in India. Clearly, not all Muslims supported Pakistan. Binary is not the only number system around you know, there are others.

1948 - Despite being majority, Hindus routinely killed and raped in Hyderabad. No Muslim outrage.

And how do you know that? Our government intervened and drove out the offenders (let's not get into the manner of intervention).

1971- Pakistan's muslim army kills lakhs of Hindu men and rapes lakhs of Hindu women . No Muslim outrage.

Yes, all the Muslims fighting against Pakistani oppression (and recently punished by tribunals in Bangladesh) were not really Muslims.

1985- A 62 year old muslim woman and her 5 children gets denied maintenance by her husband, due to the pressure of Orthodox Muslim groups. No Muslim outrage.

There are Muslim women groups who opposed it then, there are many who are fighting for better rights for Muslim women. You won't notice them though, because you are blinded by hate.

2002- Muslims burn a train full of hindu pilgrims , for no reason at all. No Muslim outrage.

People condemned both the incidents, yet you only focus on the riots. Also, it is not only Muslims who outrage over the 2002 riots, many do. And rightfully so, the perpetrators of both crimes (train burning and riots) need to be punished. One crime does not justify the other.

And you go on and on and on, Muslim leaders in India have condemned riots, even taken out fatwas against terrorism but you continue to ignore them.

Take any prominent riot or mob-violence in the history of India, Muslims are almost always involved. Islam is a violent, fascist cult whose goal is to convert as many people as possible to it. Tolerance is not only absent, it is seen as a weakness that can be taken advantage of. Using derogatory words for individuals that do not belong to their religion is common for Muslims. A sense of superiority and entitlement, however misplaced, is something seen in Indian Muslims all the time. Their holy book declares that world-domination is the ultimate goal of Islam. Convert as many as you can, and kill the rest.

Your bigoted opinion does not count as facts. Example of a non-Muslim riot: 1984.

I believe that Muslims are the perpetrators of almost all the violence and civil unrest that this country faces.

No, they are not. The RSS brought down the Babri Masjid. If the train burning justifies the 2002 response, then RSS' actions in bringing down Babri Masjid justifies the Bombay blasts.

n the present times, Islam is the single biggest danger that India faces today and must be STRICTLY DEALT WITH, no matter what it takes.

No, the greatest danger to our country is people like you, who can be easily fooled by our leaders to rally against an entire community on the basis of false victimhood.

thurki · 1 ヶ月前

Is this real? Context?

slowrunner5678 · 1 ヶ月前

It's because of bigots like you things like holocaust during the WWII occurred.

You are dehumanizing a whole set of people based on your bias and allowing hate to perpetuate. So its as easy to manipulate you as much as its easy to manipulate/brainwash the other young muslims. So don't for once think you are above the others when you make such large claims and statements.

It's very sad to see how shallow your thinking is. And please don't just use wikipedia as your source! Get hold of better reading material!

Accuracy of wikipedia

Paranoid__Android · 1 ヶ月前

I hope some of you have read this wonderful article by Jawed Naqvi (Dawn correspondent based out of Delhi)

digjam · 1 ヶ月前

Let one Muslim answer why the sabarmati express was burnt in first place and then we can have a civil discussion about if they are really bigoted or not.

Ps. I have asked this question a number of times in this forum and not one person bothered to respond. But they are ready to pounce with stats about how many Muslims were killed in the riots. Bigotry much?

azfun123 · 1 ヶ月前

People like you are the problem. You are exactly like the persons you hate. There is absolutely no difference between them and you.

2002- Muslims burn a train full of hindu pilgrims, for no reason at all. No Muslim outrage.

Lot's of muslims died in those riots carried out by right wing hindus like you.

According to official figures, the riots resulted in the deaths of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus; 2,500 people were injured non-fatally, and 223 more were reported missing.[9] Other sources estimate that up to 2,000 Muslims died.[10] There were instances of rape, children being burned alive, and widespread looting and destruction of property.

What about the this massacre?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naroda_Patiya_massacre

The Naroda Patiya massacre[b] took place on 28 February 2002 at Naroda,[c] in Ahmedabad, India, during the 2002 Gujarat riots. 97 Muslims were killed by a mob of approximately 5,000 people, allegedly initiated by the Bharatiya Janata Party and the Bajrang Dal.

When you view gujrat riots you see only the train burning, but you don't see the massive violence committed against muslims where so many muslims died?

Where's the outrage over that? Did you go and protest in roads against it? You didn't even make a post about it.

2012- Muslims destroy a war memorial in Mumbai, under the pretext of protesting Assam riots. No Muslim outrage.

What about babri masjid? The current government wants to build a temple there? Where is the outrage from you?

2013-Muslims riot in Muzaffarnagar after they kill two Hindu boys for protesting against harassment of their sister. They burn shops, rape women. No Muslim outrage

Both sides suffered massively. Thousands of muslims were displaced.

. I don't care if you call me communal, bigoted, right-winged, BJP supporter or whatever.

Yes you are.

I DO NOT believe that Muslims are a minority in India.

Yes they are. Muslims constitute about 14% of the population. I don't know how you can call them majority

I believe that Muslims are the perpetrators of almost all the violence and civil unrest that this country faces.

Yeah right. Everything which India faces is caused by muslims according to you. No blame on VHP, Shiv sena etc. No blame on all the rapists. No blame on the caste system or the discrimination which many people face. No blame on the poverty or anything. Every single problem is caused by muslims.

As far as the palestinian issue goes, it has been going on for many decades and the whole world is outraged at the actions of Israel. It's not just the muslims who support Palestine, thousand of protests are happening across the world. Just check the news.

If you want what the scholars think about ISIS here are the opinions. People speak out all the time. You just refuse to read the news.

Read all the opinions from the below link. Hundereds of scholars have condemned ISIS and other terrorist organizations. Most of them are saudi, syria and top scholar from the world.

http://www.islam21c.com/politics/conclusive-scholarly-opinions-on-isis/

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Fawzan(He is the head of saudi's fatwa committe)

Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Fawzan is a member of the Council for Human Rights, a Professor in Islamic Jurisprudence and the Head of the Department of Comparative Jurisprudence at the Islamic University of Imam Muhammad b. Saud in Saudi Arabia.[18] He says:

“ISIS is a rogue, external criminal organisation. Whoever knows of what afflicted us in Iraq and Afghanistan and the blood that was spilled unjustly at the hands of some ignorant individuals in our nation will understand the gravity of what is happening in Syria.”

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Deoband-first-A-fatwa-against-terror/articleshow/3089161.cms

Saturday's fatwa, signed by Darul-Uloom's grand mufti Habibur Rehman, asserts that "Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form".

Darul uloom deoband the top Islamic institute issued a fatwa against terrorism.

What exactly makes you think the muslim scholars don't speak out against terrorism? Or do you just not read the news?

Islam is the single biggest danger that India faces today and must be STRICTLY DEALT WITH, no matter what it takes.

You are exactly like the muslim extremists. They want to implement their ideology over the world, you want to exterminate islam and muslims from India. What exactly is the difference between you and them?

You are an extremist, muslim radicals are also extremist. Riots happen because of people like you on both sides. People like you should be kicked out from India.

People from both sides have suffered because persons like you exist on both sides.

kwantize · 1 ヶ月前

Islamic State advertises war crimes in video commemorating end of Ramadan

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/07/islamic_state_advert.php#ixzz38sJanra4

parlor_tricks · 1 ヶ月前

This is a ridiculous question.

This is like an American asking other Americans "where is the Indian outrage on rape"

bhaiyamafkaro · 1 ヶ月前

The problem with Muslims is they think they are more closely related to middle east than India.

mavriksfan11 · 1 ヶ月前

Do me a favor OP,

Look at the banner of this subreddit. Now look at your words. Do your words match up with the spirit of this subreddit?

Can you not understand that "Muslims" are a large group of people, and they do not all act and think the same but when you lump them together as if they do, then you are the one causing problems?

Do you think you do not have any prejudice against Muslims at all? That if these are truly words you believe you will be able to live with Muslims alongside you as brothers? I don't think so. If you are going to judge every Muslim you see based on these things you've written above (which many of them have nothing to do with) then how can you expect peace and civility among and with them?

Why is it surprising that Muslims are sometimes violent agitators and sometimes victims of violence (just as Hindus are)? Islam (and Hinduism) deal with violence, and they deal with peace because they are religions for people and people are violent and people are peaceful.

Your post isn't enlightening to anyone, all you are doing is spreading hate towards people you do not know. There are peaceful Muslims and violent ones, and there are peaceful BJP members and violent ones. Parties and religions and groups are all made of people, and if you do not account for that diversity then you will never be able to deal with other kinds of people. There are mullahs who speak against violence (the Bohra syedna, is one I can think of), and there are mullahs who provoke it, just like there are politicians who speak against violence and those who promote it.

We cannot have outrage all the time. There isn't enough time in each day to outrage over every bad person in the world, but for every bad action there are some who are outraged regardless of religion or any other silly grouping factor.

OP, again, look at your words, look at the banner of this subreddit. Does this post belong here?

stinkybread · 1 ヶ月前

You Internet Warrior. You are only speaking to mirrors over here. Say what you said on the street if you have the balls to call muslims out.

India is a lost cause irrespective of muslims. Plus the one thing in common is how muslims behave across the world. So its not a problem centralised to India. An ideological change is required which Islam is heavily insulated against. So its only going to be decades of education to make them not care about religion as much.

kwantize · 1 ヶ月前

Dear Muslim Redditors, every belief system on earth has parts that are either totally fucked up or ar anachronistic. The adherents of every system--but one--are free to OPENLY criticise and REJECT these parts and evolve a new, more relevant iteration of the system. In the case of ISLAM ALONE, no criticism can be entertained. The Quran and the Prophet have to be accepted as perfect and immutable. Whenever something happens that invites criticism from others, the ONLY RESPONSE POSSIBLE is: 'it is unislamic! Those people are not true Muslims'. It's time to get your heads out of your butts and accept that the Quran and Prophet are imperfect--just as with every other Book and Prophet out there. Else NO PROGRESS IS POSSIBLE. Islam will remain strong until it crumbles suddenly one day.

SAV-v · 1 ヶ月前

I completely agree, this is what I've been trying to say on here. Most redditors here see anti-Muslim comments and immediately start screaming hate without thinking that the feelings may be justified due to India's historical and ongoing relationship with Muslims. Yes India is a tolerant state and has always been one but Muslims in general don't see tolerance as something to aspire to or emulate, they see it as a weakness to be exploited on the path to turning yet another country into an Islamic one. To see evidence of this even outside of India just look at the actions Muslims take in western countries in which they achieve even somewhat of a significant proportion of the population.

mightymk · 1 ヶ月前

Okay first off... I don't agree with you OP on your views... remove your bigoted specs and look at the world its grey in nature and hindus are as hardline as muslims are..... Though i do have a question for my muslim brothers.... I do want to know why is the islam as a religion at war with literally all the religions.... Wherever there is religious unrest in the world invariably it is between muslims and another religion... e. g India - muslims-hindus Myanmar - muslims - budhist Africa - multiple locations are at war between muslims, Christians and local tribes Iraq - muslims - muslims My post is not to incite hatred... I just want to understand the root of this conflict between islam and literally all the other religions....

gg12345 · 1 ヶ月前

Love is a superpower.

Mufwrath · 1 ヶ月前

There is an assumption that all muslims should be accountable for the fanatic activities of the few. When muslims are asked to address the crimes by their so called brothers and sisters, many don't deny the wrong-doings or the severity of those specific events. How do you suppose innocent muslims react to the horrible crimes done by the fanatics? The same innocent, civil muslims who are outraged also are afraid of what this means for the image of their religion. and that's why they are trying to live their lives by distancing themselves from the violent deluded ones. When they do voice out their outrage, it is true that they do so when they see an injustice done to their own people. What is wrong with that?? People will react strongly to the perceived harm to themselves and that is true of any religion, culture and race. Not to mention how the muslim communities will be mostly focused on bringing justice to themselves and will be more drawn towards news that validates why they deserve a fairer treatment, instead of ravaging the newspaper each day to look for instances of crimes done by other crazy muslims

goddamit_iamwasted · 1 ヶ月前

Somewhere a Britisher is having a nice laugh over this Hindu Muslim shit. Accha hai lado maro.

SAV-v · 1 ヶ月前

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Callcutta1 · 1 ヶ月前

I DO NOT believe that Muslims are a minority in India. I absolutely DO NOT believe that they are oppressed, poor, innocent souls that are the victims of the the majority community all the time. I

This is right and i feel people do it to keep Hindu responses to these actions at a low, yet, there are Muslims that do outrage at their extreem counter parts doings. They are there but you are not hearing them. Go into a mosque though, and there will be thousands of them.

eldaisfish · 1 ヶ月前

Take me down to the Hindu Madrassa where the muslims are greedy and the cows eat honey,

Oh won't you please take my tome!

diamondjim · 1 ヶ月前

Maybe that's because the people protesting against the Gaza occupation are the same class of Muslims who attacked the train at Godhra or vandalized the war memorial in Mumbai. I don't expect much protesting from them against the actions of their own kind.

rphyadav · 1 ヶ月前

We should not generalise our opinions across religions or regions. Half the world's problems are due to people who generalise. We should note that only a handful of people from every religion or region are ruffians. We should not paint all Muslims, Hindus, Christians and so on with the same brush. When we do that, we become more evil than the people we blame. Be sensible, Indians. Spread love, not hatred.

najyolo · 1 ヶ月前

Wow. Such deluded hate. The anti - Muslim brigade could maybe spread a little love around than cherry picking and spreading lies and hate?

Maybe you should talk about how Islam encourages charity and compassion... wait they don't pay ya'll for that? Do they?

And remember when you generalize a 1.8bn sect on the basis of a small group amongst them... you are no better than the so called Muslims who spread violence and hatred. You're just following their footsteps and claim to have a higher moral ground.

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